Current Events > Mohammed Morsi died today

(+) Yeah! (+)

As a Copt, today was a great day.

For those who dont know what is a Copt, we are the Christian minority of Egypt. The original people of Egypt, direct descendants of the pharaohs. Census states were 10% of the population but Copts will tell you its closer to 20% and the government lies about it.

Morsi was part of the Muslim Brotherhood, a terrorist organization. Ayman Zawahiri of Al Qaeda was a prominent member. Spinoffs include Hamas and Hezbollah. Morsi was in an Egyptian prison and escaped during the protests against Mubarak. Hamas busted him out.

The MB started off in the late 1920s and were responsible for several attacks and assassinations for decades. They hate Copts and minorities, and their goal is to force Sharia law around the world. They were behind the assassination of president Sadat, who they killed for signing a peace treaty with Israel. Finally after realizing that direct terrorism wasnt going to help achieve their goals, they decided that infiltrating politics was the way to go. They learned to play politics extremely well. They act highly diplomatic and are great at fooling people. They fund the other terrorist organizations instead. They literally have a manifesto on how to play the political game. They have even infiltrated western politics through CAIR (and thats why you see news coverage that sympathizes with Morsi while covering up his crimes).

Morsi was a prominent member. He took advantage of the overthrowing of Mubarak, pretending to be a liberal candidate who was going to implement big change and equality for all. He promised a woman and Copt VP. They were all lies to get votes. All critical government roles ended going to MB members. Copts had no government representation whatsoever. The first thing he did was sign a constitution that was a stepping stone to Sharia law and basically added a loop hole that granted the MB incredible power. Egypt has always been a secular country. Its one of the few majority Muslim countries that does not follow Sharia law.

The Egyptian people hated Morsi after they saw he was lying about everything and the constitution he signed. Someone started a petition (a secular Muslim) to remove him from power. It accumulated millions of signatures (over 20 I believe). 14+ million people protested in the streets and demanded his removal. Morsi fanned the flames and incited violence, targeting the Copts most of all for daring to protest against him. The military finally overthrew him. If it werent for the fact that the military was against him, it would have turned into a similar situation as Libya at the time.

His supporters attacked and killed hundreds of Copts and burned our churches in retaliation. Even though the majority of protesters were secular Muslims. Morsi pointed the blame directly to Copts. They were literally thrown off rooftops across several villages. Copt women have been kidnapped and forced (through rape) to convert to Islam. Secular Muslims actually formed human chains to try and protect the Copts.

Im glad hes dead but western media is trying to paint him like a martyr and it infuriates me. This isnt an anti-Islam post because as mentioned, secular Muslims hated him. They tried to protect the Copts. Even afterwards, there have been major bombings that targeted Coptic churches and Muslims jumped in to help. My dad is a secular Muslim and was practically dancing at his removal. Morsi was on a path to turn Egypt into Iran. So the people demanded his removal and the military carried it out. Not to say they didnt have their own agenda. But unlike what the media tries to tell you, the people of Egypt (minus the extremists) were beyond relieved.

I just had to post this because I hate seeing all these articles about him and his poor treatment. How it was all the corrupted military that took him down, when it was way more than that. He deserved worse than what he got tbh.

Rant over.

Tl;dr
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Tl;dr

TC is an Egyptian Christian. SHe's happy that a dude that used to rule Egypt is dead. He was working with terrorists and trying to wipe out the christians and enforce Sharia law

Zikten posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Tl;dr

TC is an Egyptian Christian. SHe's happy that a dude that used to rule Egypt is dead. He was working with terrorists and trying to wipe out the christians and enforce Sharia law

lol this pretty much

Heres a good comparison.

Imagine if Democrats succeeded in impeaching Trump and his extremist supporters decided to retaliate by openly attacking and killing African Americans, even though theyre still the minority opposing him. It would just be an excuse to enact their hatred. Thats sort of what happened to Copts when Morsi was overthrown.

He must have been good at PR. Almost all the news articles are lamenting his overthrow and criticizing el-Sisi.
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If we're lucky, Sisi will follow him very shortly.
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Manocheese posted...

He must have been good at PR. Almost all the news articles are lamenting his overthrow and criticizing el-Sisi.

Thats a direct consequence of CAIRs influence on western media (although Si-Si is still bad too), as well as Democrats trying to save face because they endorsed Morsi (Im not saying that to make this political, I hate both parties, but its a fact)

Youre related to the pharaohs?

Whoa do you live in a pyramid?
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

If we're lucky, Sisi will follow him very shortly.

Agreed. I hope that the Egyptian people will continue the fight for democracy. But theyre practically terrified after seeing what happened when they elected Morsi. Theyve regressed to the old ways when they should keep fighting. Si-Si is the lesser of two evils to them. Im very hopeful despite everything. The United States didnt become what it is in a day, or a few years. It took a long ass time.

Zikten posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Tl;dr

TC is an Egyptian Christian. SHe's happy that a dude that used to rule Egypt is dead. He was working with terrorists and trying to wipe out the christians and enforce Sharia law

Cultural differences

Chicken posted...

Youre related to the pharaohs?

Whoa do you live in a pyramid?

Well duh.

You could even say... I walk like an Egyptian.

metallica846 posted...

Isn't Egypt still in a military coup? Like the main general got "elected" after they bounced Morsi. Great.

Yes sadly. And no one can even attempt to run against him. Candidates are intimidated out of the race through threats, or imprisonment. Its the Mubarak regime all over again.

The difference was that Morsi was going to turn Egypt into a breeding ground for extremism. It was on track to be another Iran/Iraq/Syria. So to Egyptians, its like picking the lesser of two evils.

Cleo_II posted...

Im glad hes dead but western media is trying to paint him like a martyr and it infuriates me.

If you're glad he's dead, then yeah. He's pretty much a martyr.

metallica846 posted...

Hopefully, they flood Tahrir again and pick someone better.

Good luck.

Thanks! I think after enough time, people will rise up again. They werent prepared for elections last time. So hopefully next time will be better.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Cleo_II posted...

Im glad hes dead but western media is trying to paint him like a martyr and it infuriates me.

If you're glad he's dead, then yeah. He's pretty much a martyr.

By your logic, that makes Hitler a martyr

metallica846 posted...

LMBO the new president got 97% of the vote. Never a good sign.

LOL yeah. No one even ran against him. One guy ended up in prison right before elections and I think the other one was intimidated enough to bow out.

Its the same way Mubarak won elections

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Cleo_II posted...

By your logic, that makes Hitler a martyr

Where do you think all the neonazis came from?

One Tyrant in Egypt gone, one more to go!
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metallica846 posted...

Seems like suspending the constitution is Day 1 for any incoming president. maybe stop that shit.

Egypt does need a better constitution though.

Never thought Mubarak would outlive Morsi via the latter dying of natural causes.
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Bring back Tut.
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TC is related to the original Egyptians? I didn't know TC was black.
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Cleo_II posted...

For those who dont know what is a Copt, we are the Christian minority of Egypt. The original people of Egypt, direct descendants of the pharaohs.

Isn't this a lie copts promote to feel special? I feel like I've heard that. The same way that the Israelites refer to themselves as God's chosen people.
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AmericaTheBrave posted...

TC is related to the original Egyptians? I didn't know TC was black.

If she was black she wouldn't be related to the Egyptians
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Topic is just propaganda though. Morsi did not want to instill "Shariah law" nor was he responsible for any persecution against copts. He died imprisoned unjustly after being democratically elected, tortured for 6 years until he was blind. It speaks more about you than it does about him that you're happy about this.

Now under Sisi, everyone is eating shit with a spoon. And if copts are going to support someone like that, they'd better be prepared for the backlash when he goes down.

A_A_Battery posted...

Topic is just propaganda though. Morsi did not want to instill "Shariah law" nor was he responsible for any persecution against copts. He died imprisoned unjustly after being democratically elected, tortured for 6 years until he was blind. It speaks more about you than it does about him that you're happy about this.

Now under Sisi, everyone is eating shit with a spoon. And if copts are going to support someone like that, they'd better be prepared for the backlash when he goes down.

At least three through the entire topic before you go on a rant lol
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I like how The Atlantic said "He was deeply flawed, but at least he was elected democratically".

ok bro
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BignutzisBack posted...

A_A_Battery posted...

Topic is just propaganda though. Morsi did not want to instill "Shariah law" nor was he responsible for any persecution against copts. He died imprisoned unjustly after being democratically elected, tortured for 6 years until he was blind. It speaks more about you than it does about him that you're happy about this.

Now under Sisi, everyone is eating shit with a spoon. And if copts are going to support someone like that, they'd better be prepared for the backlash when he goes down.

At least three through the entire topic before you go on a rant lol

I threed through it, it's still propaganda. Morsi is like, the first democratically elected president via popular vote in Egypt for thousands of years. They didn't have democracy at the time of the Pharoahs, nor under Islam's rule, nor under colonialism and proxy rulers like Mubarak and now Sisi (who are backed by western powers and allies like Saudi and the UAE).

Copts supported ousting him, along with secular "Muslims" who are basically Muslim by name but hate everything to do with the religion. This same type of person is the kind who is torturing thousands of completely average people in underground prisons in Egypt, most of whom are Muslim, but I hear you get a few legit Christian criminals down there or anyone who spoke against the government (not done typically by copts though, no matter how despotic the regime is).

So yeah. You're a minority in the country yet overwhelmingly support:

1. Ousting the first democratically elected leader in literally thousands of years.
2. The guy torturing/killing the majority group regularly.
3. A bunch of propaganda against said democratically elected president and majority group.

There are also of course the many cases of copts imprisoning other copts who convert to Islam, and themselves kidnapping women and such. The backlash they've received is actually really minor. But the way things are going in Egypt, it will eventually explode and become the next Syria. Copts better be prepared to be displaced in that situation, or partake in the huge amount of slaughter that will be done on both sides.

hockeybub89 posted...

I like how The Atlantic said "He was deeply flawed, but at least he was elected democratically".

ok bro

Democratically should be put in quotation marks
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hockeybub89 posted...

I like how The Atlantic said "He was deeply flawed, but at least he was elected democratically".

ok bro

Eh, it is a virtue, but the way they did the election, he barely got over 30% of the vote in the first round, IIRC. Liberal candidates actually got over 50%, but there were like five of them to one Muslim Brotherhood and one military candidate, so, you know where that went. Can't blame Egyptians for giving the Brotherhood a try under the circumstances(especially since the Tunisian branch integrated into democracy respectably well).

Shame about ending up back at square one though.

DeadBankerDream posted...

Cleo_II posted...

For those who dont know what is a Copt, we are the Christian minority of Egypt. The original people of Egypt, direct descendants of the pharaohs.

Isn't this a lie copts promote to feel special? I feel like I've heard that. The same way that the Israelites refer to themselves as God's chosen people.

No. Copts were the original inhabitants of Egypt. The Coptic language is Latin based and similar to Greek. Mark went to Egypt around 60 AD and spread Christianity. Arabs then came in the 7th century. Copts always make sure to correct people who call them Arab. Not all Copts are going to be direct descendants but they are the closest to them.

A_A_Battery posted...

BignutzisBack posted...

A_A_Battery posted...

Topic is just propaganda though. Morsi did not want to instill "Shariah law" nor was he responsible for any persecution against copts. He died imprisoned unjustly after being democratically elected, tortured for 6 years until he was blind. It speaks more about you than it does about him that you're happy about this.

Now under Sisi, everyone is eating shit with a spoon. And if copts are going to support someone like that, they'd better be prepared for the backlash when he goes down.

At least three through the entire topic before you go on a rant lol

I threed through it, it's still propaganda. Morsi is like, the first democratically elected president via popular vote in Egypt for thousands of years. They didn't have democracy at the time of the Pharoahs, nor under Islam's rule, nor under colonialism and proxy rulers like Mubarak and now Sisi (who are backed by western powers and allies like Saudi and the UAE).

Copts supported ousting him, along with secular "Muslims" who are basically Muslim by name but hate everything to do with the religion. This same type of person is the kind who is torturing thousands of completely average people in underground prisons in Egypt, most of whom are Muslim, but I hear you get a few legit Christian criminals down there or anyone who spoke against the government (not done typically by copts though, no matter how despotic the regime is).

So yeah. You're a minority in the country yet overwhelmingly support:

1. Ousting the first democratically elected leader in literally thousands of years.
2. The guy torturing/killing the majority group regularly.
3. A bunch of propaganda against said democratically elected president and majority group.

There are also of course the many cases of copts imprisoning other copts who convert to Islam, and themselves kidnapping women and such. The backlash they've received is actually really minor. But the way things are going in Egypt, it will eventually explode and become the next Syria. Copts better be prepared to be displaced in that situation, or partake in the huge amount of slaughter that will be done on both sides.

Your description of secular Muslims (the majority of Egypt btw) as being not real Muslims is enough for me to know that youre a MB sympathizer. So the rest isnt even worthy a response.

This is a good read. A little long but it details how Morsi fanned the flames to violence towards Copts.

https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/essays/the-backlash-after-the-demise-the-brothers-and-the-copts

Imagine some of the posters itt if people were celebrating trump dying lol
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More propaganda

https://www.hrw.org/news/2013/08/21/egypt-mass-attacks-churches

Asking honestly, and Cleo if you're not the source for this, then that's fine, but what is our better option for support of Muslims in the US outside of CAIR? I admit I hear of little else than from CAIR so I had a favorable opinion of them in the last decade.
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CyricZ posted...

Asking honestly, and Cleo if you're not the source for this, then that's fine, but what is our better option for support of Muslims in the US outside of CAIR? I admit I hear of little else than from CAIR so I had a favorable opinion of them in the last decade.

Thats a great question. I should ask my dad what he thinks (he is Muslim). He has mixed feelings about CAIR for this reason. He knows they advocate for Muslims and thats good but he worries that ultimately their goal is to push the MBs agenda.

hockeybub89 posted...

I like how The Atlantic said "He was deeply flawed, but at least he was elected democratically".

ok bro

To my recollection, Morsi won due to the non-MB vote being split by a couple moderate candidates.
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