Current Events > C/D: women who make fake rape accusations should face real jail time

(+) Yeah! (+)

If it comes to like that it was a lie they should face at minimum the same time the make would have. No work arounds.
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Rape is a serious crime. Pretending you were raped just to get someone in trouble is disturbing.

You should definitely face legal consequences.
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Dyinglegacy posted...

Rape is a serious crime. Pretending you were raped just to get someone in trouble is disturbing.

You should definitely face legal consequences.

Yeah, REAL jail time. Not a few months and probation.
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PIIT has nothing to say for males that make fake rape accusations, apparently.

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Anyway, the problem therein is that it's difficult to prove proper "false" accusation as opposed to accusations that are simply "unfounded".

If the authorities aren't able to prove that a rape happened, that doesn't necessarily mean it was a false accusation.

If someone is accused of rape and the accuser later reveals to the police that they lied, the accused has an option of pressing civil charges over libel (if written) or slander (not written), but they'd have to have supporting evidence of a monetary/livelihood loss.

Oh, and if we make it a criminal penalty, then the accusers simply won't admit that they faked it. To do otherwise would be confessing to a crime.
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C. I don't think many people would say otherwise.
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C

Duh.

Edit: Same for men who make false accusations with nefarious intent.
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PIITB415 posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

Rape is a serious crime. Pretending you were raped just to get someone in trouble is disturbing.

You should definitely face legal consequences.

Yeah, REAL jail time. Not a few months and probation.

^^ this

It deserves prison time. That way, the crime will always follow them for the rest of their life, just how rape accusations do.
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Strong C
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Fake rape accusers should serve the same time their imaginary rapist would have faced.
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CyricZ posted...

PIIT has nothing to say for males that make fake rape accusations, apparently.

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Anyway, the problem therein is that it's difficult to prove proper "false" accusation as opposed to accusations that are simply "unfounded".

If the authorities aren't able to prove that a rape happened, that doesn't necessarily mean it was a false accusation.

If someone is accused of rape and the accuser later reveals to the police that they lied, the accused has an option of pressing civil charges over libel (if written) or slander (not written), but they'd have to have supporting evidence of a monetary/livelihood loss.

Oh, and if we make it a criminal penalty, then the accusers simply won't admit that they faked it. To do otherwise would be confessing to a crime.

Pretty much hits the nail on the head.

If someone falsely accuses you of rape now, they can still recant their statement. Almost no one will do that with the threat of jail time.

Also, what is going to be the standard for a "false" accusation? Many victims drop their claims not because they were lying but because going through that legal process is a living hell.

https://twitter.com/EmilyLindin/status/933073784822579200
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C.
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But let's be clear, any such legislation would have to have fairly strong protections for women that make either incorrect or unsubstantiated claims. Just because charges aren't filed or a defendant is found not guilty does not mean that the accuser filed intentional false charges.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

https://twitter.com/EmilyLindin/status/933073784822579200

That looks horrible if you just read the one tweet and not the thread below it.
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Siaperaz posted...

Fake rape accusers should serve the same time their imaginary rapist would have faced.

This is excessive...
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Absolutely C
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agreed.

but only like 3% of rape accusations have proven to be false. most rape instances never get reported for one reason or another. and those reasons often include the ignorant and malicious approaches to such a sensitive topic. like pushing false narratives, victim blaming, etc...
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the thing that's fucked up is that people once accused of rape, never are able to escape that. lots of bosses will refuse to hire someone who was accused of rape. even if they proved they were innocent. even if the woman later says she made it up. they will treat you like you did it. that's just how our stupid fucking society works

and that's why false rape accusations are so evil. you are basically ending their life. no matter how it all turns out.

EndOfDiscOne posted...

https://twitter.com/EmilyLindin/status/933073784822579200

Yikes

Siaperaz posted...

Fake rape accusers should serve the same time their imaginary rapist would have faced.

Yep
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Zikten posted...

lots of bosses will refuse to hire someone who was accused of rape

Yes, that's a dicey question to answer in the application process.

Oh wait, no, that's actually a question that doesn't happen in the application process.
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There should definitely be negative repercussions for false accusations, I'm just not sure how far I would go with the punishment because otherwise real victims might be scared further into silence.
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Sada_Pop posted...

Siaperaz posted...

Fake rape accusers should serve the same time their imaginary rapist would have faced.

This is excessive...

Is it? You're willing to have an innocent person lose years of their life because it might hurt a lying person's feelings?
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False allegations are pretty rare but they should definitely be punished.
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Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

because otherwise real victims might be scared further into silence.

And this is the hidden bottom line on this one. The idea of further suppressing reporting of rape due to the potential nature of criminal charges being brought against the accuser will absolutely plummet the number of reports on an issue that already has a long and storied history of lack of reporting.

In short: Not a good idea. I get you don't like "them bitches" but this ain't it.
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CyricZ posted...

Zikten posted...

lots of bosses will refuse to hire someone who was accused of rape

Yes, that's a dicey question to answer in the application process.

Oh wait, no, that's actually a question that doesn't happen in the application process.

depending on how famous the case was, and if your in the same town or it's a small town or something....they can know this without needing to ask about it. word gets around.

This is another example of something that would be fair, but in practice would create more problems than it solves. Those women certainly deserve to be given the same time their victims would have been, but that can't be the law. Because then women would be more afraid to make real accusations. Those that made false accusations and had regrets won't tell the truth. It will cause more innocent people to suffer than guilty people.
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CyricZ posted...

Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

because otherwise real victims might be scared further into silence.

And this is the hidden bottom line on this one. The idea of further suppressing reporting of rape due to the potential nature of criminal charges being brought against the accuser will absolutely plummet the number of reports on an issue that already has a long and storied history of lack of reporting.

In short: Not a good idea. I get you don't like "them bitches" but this ain't it.

3% is not the epidemic these types like to pretend it is. actual rape/assault is an epidemic. from toddlers to the elderly.

some things shouldn't be handwaved or dismissed.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

https://twitter.com/EmilyLindin/status/933073784822579200

Look at that ratio.

Slander and Libel laws already exist.

DarkChozoGhost posted...

This is another example of something that would be fair, but in practice would create more problems than it solves. Those women certainly deserve to be given the same time their victims would have been, but that can't be the law. Because then women would be more afraid to make real accusations. Those that made false accusations and had regrets won't tell the truth. It will cause more innocent people to suffer than guilty people.

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DarkChozoGhost posted...

This is another example of something that would be fair, but in practice would create more problems than it solves. Those women certainly deserve to be given the same time their victims would have been, but that can't be the law. Because then women would be more afraid to make real accusations. Those that made false accusations and had regrets won't tell the truth. It will cause more innocent people to suffer than guilty people.

The simple answer here is to decide that either everyone involved is anonymous, or nobody is.

_Rinku_ posted...

Also, what is going to be the standard for a "false" accusation? Many victims drop their claims not because they were lying but because going through that legal process is a living hell.

If it is discovered by the authorities during the course of the police investigation or during the trial that they were intentionally being led on a wild goose chase (solid evidence must be discovered that the accuser planned the false accusation). If the "victim" voluntarily comes clean early on, then they should avoid jail/prison but should still be hit with probation and/or community service.
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Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

There should definitely be negative repercussions for false accusations, I'm just not sure how far I would go with the punishment because otherwise real victims might be scared further into silence.

It's already against the law to make false reports to the police. It doesn't seem to scare into silence victims of other crimes like assault, robberies, etc.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

DarkChozoGhost posted...

This is another example of something that would be fair, but in practice would create more problems than it solves. Those women certainly deserve to be given the same time their victims would have been, but that can't be the law. Because then women would be more afraid to make real accusations. Those that made false accusations and had regrets won't tell the truth. It will cause more innocent people to suffer than guilty people.

The simple answer here is to decide that either everyone involved is anonymous, or nobody is.

Most of us know better than to over simplify the intricate, though. We've gotta do better against anti-intellectual rhetoric.
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