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ScareChan
05/25/19 12:52:21 AM
#301:


Obellisk posted...
Scare.

I didn't consider that scenario. The double nebula.


Well its also supports why I think I am confirmed town too, but will get to that when I am done
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Camarija
05/25/19 12:52:35 AM
#302:


I believe Sultan cannot be wolf with Obellsik, Ultimaterializer, nor Death

Just dropping this here as a refresher
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Camarija
05/25/19 12:52:51 AM
#303:


Sultan + Turbopuns + 2
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Obellisk
05/25/19 12:53:33 AM
#304:


ScareChan posted...
Obellisk posted...
Scare.

I didn't consider that scenario. The double nebula.


Well its also supports why I think I am confirmed town too, but will get to that when I am done


I can wait.
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ScareChan
05/25/19 12:53:57 AM
#305:


Camarija posted...
Obellisk posted...
Camarija posted...
Obellisk posted...
Anticlaim mechanic...

What is this this yazz


Town: says something relating to their role, or claiming a role or action

Mafia: quotes the post, or makes a guess (depending on the mechanic), submits, player gets: Killed (usually), vanillized, roleblocked, etc.


And you didn't consider this before this moment in time?


It's not a particularly common mechanic in games this small, but I concede that Han may have been anticlaimed


this kind of contradicts you beliving you were protected

but you werent so thats okay too
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Camarija
05/25/19 12:54:11 AM
#306:


Obellisk posted...
Camarija posted...
turbopuns3 posted...
Camarija posted...
Made some outrageous claims

And waited for people with KNOWLEDGE of what really happened, and DESIRE to push me harder, taking advantage of the bait I laid down

And well, you did all of those things mate


I am telling you how it is on this site. I have played mafia with these people since 2010. Literally half the game would target red and han just because of their names.

Holy crap you're arrogant lmao


Again

I was playing arrogant so Mafia would take advantage of unlikable nature in a weak position

I continued pushing outrageous claim that I was attacked to get wolves to out privileged information

Point is, I did get a rise out of you, and you did reveal privileged information, so it worked


He did?


He got mad and revealed that everything I'd claimed today was wrong

He said it once, but I kept pushing the unlikable nature to get him to say it louder and stronger

See post 273 for example
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Obellisk
05/25/19 12:56:01 AM
#307:


Camarija posted...
Obellisk posted...
Camarija posted...
turbopuns3 posted...
Camarija posted...
Made some outrageous claims

And waited for people with KNOWLEDGE of what really happened, and DESIRE to push me harder, taking advantage of the bait I laid down

And well, you did all of those things mate


I am telling you how it is on this site. I have played mafia with these people since 2010. Literally half the game would target red and han just because of their names.

Holy crap you're arrogant lmao


Again

I was playing arrogant so Mafia would take advantage of unlikable nature in a weak position

I continued pushing outrageous claim that I was attacked to get wolves to out privileged information

Point is, I did get a rise out of you, and you did reveal privileged information, so it worked


He did?


He got mad and revealed that everything I'd claimed today was wrong

He said it once, but I kept pushing the unlikable nature to get him to say it louder and stronger

See post 273 for example


Does he think you are scum? If so then what you are saying is in fact wrong to him. I don't know if you really gained anything there.
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Camarija
05/25/19 12:57:31 AM
#308:


Obellisk posted...
Camarija posted...
Obellisk posted...
Camarija posted...
turbopuns3 posted...
Camarija posted...
Made some outrageous claims

And waited for people with KNOWLEDGE of what really happened, and DESIRE to push me harder, taking advantage of the bait I laid down

And well, you did all of those things mate


I am telling you how it is on this site. I have played mafia with these people since 2010. Literally half the game would target red and han just because of their names.

Holy crap you're arrogant lmao


Again

I was playing arrogant so Mafia would take advantage of unlikable nature in a weak position

I continued pushing outrageous claim that I was attacked to get wolves to out privileged information

Point is, I did get a rise out of you, and you did reveal privileged information, so it worked


He did?


He got mad and revealed that everything I'd claimed today was wrong

He said it once, but I kept pushing the unlikable nature to get him to say it louder and stronger

See post 273 for example


Does he think you are scum? If so then what you are saying is in fact wrong to him. I don't know if you really gained anything there.


Take note of the players on the previous page who kept saying:

NO YOU'RE WRONG, YOU WOULDN'T BE ATTACKED

NO YOU'RE WRONG

the only people who could be CERTAIN that I was wrong, is of course, Mafia

Just getting a rise of out of them to slip up

Two players who did this on the previous page:

Sultan + Turbopuns

Do you understand what I'm saying?

Do you understand the trap?
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Camarija
05/25/19 12:59:27 AM
#309:


turbopuns3 posted...
The most likely scenario by a mile is red and Han were both shot directly.


Like, he thinks being RIGHT about something, proves I am WRONG about something, and therefore he WINS

But that's not how this game actually works

He got lost in the argument about wanting to be right, more than forgetting he shouldn't be revealing priviliged information

This isn't the only post example of turbopuns doing this

There are literally multiple posts of him getting continually annoyed and trying to prove himself right and me wrong that I wasn't attacked

He KNOW this
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ScareChan
05/25/19 12:59:57 AM
#310:


okay current

so Han definitely protected me last night

he was hard defending me yesterday and then someone said he was bodyguard and he pulled back saying "he wasnt sure I was town" and tried to talk his way out

Scum roleblocked Marth by his own admission so either Marth is faking taking a roleblock, or scum blocked him and didnt try to shoot him

so scum tried to shoot me and Han took the bullet for it. The only scenario where this isnt right is if Marth is scum and they blocked and shot han which is silly

Sultan being scum supports this. He is probably a pretty good power role. I wrecked him last game, he dodged me this game until I forced it out of him, he is definitely the other nebula and wanted me dead

Thank you for your service Han
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Obellisk
05/25/19 1:00:44 AM
#311:


Camarija posted...
Obellisk posted...
Camarija posted...
Obellisk posted...
Camarija posted...
turbopuns3 posted...
Camarija posted...
Made some outrageous claims

And waited for people with KNOWLEDGE of what really happened, and DESIRE to push me harder, taking advantage of the bait I laid down

And well, you did all of those things mate


I am telling you how it is on this site. I have played mafia with these people since 2010. Literally half the game would target red and han just because of their names.

Holy crap you're arrogant lmao


Again

I was playing arrogant so Mafia would take advantage of unlikable nature in a weak position

I continued pushing outrageous claim that I was attacked to get wolves to out privileged information

Point is, I did get a rise out of you, and you did reveal privileged information, so it worked


He did?


He got mad and revealed that everything I'd claimed today was wrong

He said it once, but I kept pushing the unlikable nature to get him to say it louder and stronger

See post 273 for example


Does he think you are scum? If so then what you are saying is in fact wrong to him. I don't know if you really gained anything there.


Take note of the players on the previous page who kept saying:

NO YOU'RE WRONG, YOU WOULDN'T BE ATTACKED

NO YOU'RE WRONG

the only people who could be CERTAIN that I was wrong, is of course, Mafia

Just getting a rise of out of them to slip up

Two players who did this on the previous page:

Sultan + Turbopuns

Do you understand what I'm saying?

Do you understand the trap?


What did they say was wrong?
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ScareChan
05/25/19 1:01:01 AM
#312:


Sultan may be in Puns ear Cam
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Camarija
05/25/19 1:04:20 AM
#313:


ScareChan posted...
okay current

so Han definitely protected me last night

he was hard defending me yesterday and then someone said he was bodyguard and he pulled back saying "he wasnt sure I was town" and tried to talk his way out

Scum roleblocked Marth by his own admission so either Marth is faking taking a roleblock, or scum blocked him and didnt try to shoot him

so scum tried to shoot me and Han took the bullet for it. The only scenario where this isnt right is if Marth is scum and they blocked and shot han which is silly

Sultan being scum supports this. He is probably a pretty good power role. I wrecked him last game, he dodged me this game until I forced it out of him, he is definitely the other nebula and wanted me dead

Thank you for your service Han


Makes sense to me

Han literally said he would die for you

Couldn't get any more obvious on who Han chose to protect

Scare is lock town ayyyy

I also 100% believe that Marth getting roleblocked makes sense in terms of balancing roles WHERE Marth is Town; (I want to believe Marth is Town, more than I actually believe it)

I'm down to do what we should have done yesterday
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Obellisk
05/25/19 1:05:13 AM
#314:


After we had just gotten all the info I wasnt prepared to lynch war machine. But last night I kept falling back on it making more sense that that was the fake claim.

I'm sold scare.

##vote:sultan

Sign me up.
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ScareChan
05/25/19 1:06:21 AM
#315:


Obellisk posted...
After we had just gotten all the info I wasnt prepared to lynch war machine. But last night I kept falling back on it making more sense that that was the fake claim.

I'm sold scare.

##vote:sultan

Sign me up.


love it 3000
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TheSultanOfSlam
05/25/19 1:06:30 AM
#316:


You guys couldnt be any more wrong on me btw I didnt lie about my claim and why would i claim something ive never heard of?
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Camarija
05/25/19 1:06:43 AM
#317:


ScareChan posted...
Sultan may be in Puns ear Cam


It's possible, but it seems clear Puns was more interested in being right and winning an argument about something unknown than figuring it out

I'd like to just make the associative list of clears now if you don't mind:

[Frog] - not Mafia with Sultan
Scare - protected by Han
Obellisk - not Mafia with Sultan
Ultimaterializer - not Mafia with Sultan
Death - not Mafia with Sultan
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ScareChan
05/25/19 1:08:00 AM
#318:


I believe I am mostly on board with that

I liked Death early day 1, was more on the fence as the day went on, but he doesnt need to be focused on right now either way
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TheSultanOfSlam
05/25/19 1:09:47 AM
#319:


If my miss lynch really helps town then by all means sacrifice me
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ScareChan
05/25/19 1:10:07 AM
#320:


and for those that dont know since he has used a lot of terms that have not been understood

frog = cam
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Obellisk
05/25/19 1:12:57 AM
#321:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
If my miss lynch really helps town then by all means sacrifice me


Way to early for that talk.

Classic scum mistake to stop trying before he even starts trying.
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Camarija
05/25/19 1:13:43 AM
#322:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
If my miss lynch really helps town then by all means sacrifice me


How many votes did I have just before this?

How many votes do you have now?
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Camarija
05/25/19 1:14:00 AM
#323:


Obellisk posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
If my miss lynch really helps town then by all means sacrifice me


Way to early for that talk.

Classic scum mistake to stop trying before he even starts trying.


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Obellisk
05/25/19 1:15:57 AM
#324:


Puns left for the night?

@turbopuns3

When you return, you said you played a guessing game with Sultan but yielded no results. And you guys never claimed to each other prior to claiming live in game.

Can you share your guesses
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TheSultanOfSlam
05/25/19 1:18:57 AM
#325:


Obellisk posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
If my miss lynch really helps town then by all means sacrifice me


Way to early for that talk.

Classic scum mistake to stop trying before he even starts trying.


Im not scum i just suck at being town i guess
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Camarija
05/25/19 1:19:14 AM
#326:


I'm slow

I JUST remembered turbopuns and sultan claimed their neighbor thing

I really think they're both mafia, even if one flips mafia with neighbor in their rolecard
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TheSultanOfSlam
05/25/19 1:20:13 AM
#327:


Or of cam really is town he isnt very good at reading me
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Camarija
05/25/19 1:22:00 AM
#328:


turbopuns3 posted...
Obellisk posted...
turbopuns3 posted...
Like, why would town deliberately try to make the neighbors suspicious of each other? That makes no sense.


This comment really botherz me. Town should be very Very suspicious of their neighbor. I was a neighbor once and I can't remember the game but my partner was scum. I was a fool and treated them as town all game. I got played hard.

And it makes me want to remind the game there is nothing stopping this neighborhood from being scum scum gambit. We lynch one and auto assume the other is town. Scum wins.


Uh ok but it's not like that

I didn't just say, I have blind faith Sultan is town

I said in literally the last hour of day 1 that I had a good feeling based on his behavior, that he is town

Cam was just like "no, one of you is CERTAINLY getting played, CERTAINLY. And it's probably YOU"


I said:

If you don't know who is getting played, then you're the one getting played

But this makes an interesting setup, especially where you are BOTH Mafia AND neighbors lol
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Obellisk
05/25/19 1:24:27 AM
#329:


Going to bed now. Tomorrow is another day
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TheSultanOfSlam
05/25/19 1:28:01 AM
#330:


I still dont think cam is town and that makes me scum to you oh well
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Camarija
05/25/19 1:29:31 AM
#331:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Or of cam really is town he isnt very good at reading me


It's possible

I feel that I must vote between you and turbopuns today

As I mentioned yesterday in our conversations in Topic 2, I felt that you were trying to parade an assault in bad faith; I didn't see any sense of trying to solve for my alignment, it was almost entirely assault. I also took issue with your lack of hunting, and your only wolf read up to that point (was on me) was inaccurate. So I felt a very sour taste from that

When it was towards the end of day, it didn't seem like people were moving off of you and I felt I'd made a grave mistake

For what it's worth, you do a good job of making me feel that you're town, despite all logic indicating otherwise
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TheSultanOfSlam
05/25/19 1:32:05 AM
#332:


Well maybe i just need to get some sleep been a long day maybe i can think better tomorrow?
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Camarija
05/25/19 1:35:22 AM
#333:


Vote Totals up to now - I think

Cam (4): Ulti, turbopuns3, TheSultanOfSlam, Corrik7
Sultan (3): Scare, Cam, Obellisk
Ulti (0) : (Corrik7)
IGCD (0): (Ulti)
turbopuns3 (0): (Cam)
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ScareChan
05/25/19 1:56:33 AM
#334:


@IfGodCouldDie

come play with us

and vote sultan
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UnderUrMattress
05/25/19 2:35:54 AM
#335:


whgat the fuck is this cam lynch i don't endorse it one bit no sir no way

##Vote: Sultan
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UnderUrMattress
05/25/19 2:36:57 AM
#336:


cam wagon comp are the same chucklef***s that lynched tange the obvitown
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IfGodCouldDie
05/25/19 3:18:22 AM
#337:


ScareChan posted...
@IfGodCouldDie

come play with us

and vote sultan

DC&D session tonight, basically just finished and I am an hour late for bed time. I'll catch up tomorrow night, but will pick up from real time in the morning. Can you do me a favour, give me the run down on how you caught Sultan and the relevant posts. I know I saw something about it midway through day 1 but I was mostly just skimming in case I got called in.

Also tag me in your response.
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htaeD
05/25/19 3:46:22 AM
#338:


skimmed so far

First of: yay IGCD
Then, what the hell was all that Gamora/Nebula nonsense. Did people deliberately confuse those two?
Either way Puns is far from confirmed in my book due to the plot of the movie.

Also Red getting killed night1 reminds me of a past game, and back then we discussed that only a few players would fear red enough to want him dead night1. I need to look back and see which game that was.

Also I am not sure who Han died protecting, even less sure why Scare boldly assumes it was him. He could have been killed directly for all I know. But considering there were 2 shots, the 2nd shot might have been an assassin used against the claimed watcher.
Do BGs intercept assassins tho?
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htaeD
05/25/19 3:52:41 AM
#339:


Oh and War Machine being the scum of the neighbors makes no sense at all, what the hell were you thinking Ulti? Even if your flavor is real, you have seen plenty of town claim they were not on the side of Thanos.
Sultan is the worse of the two neighbors. But I cant see Puns sacrificing himself just to save Sultan, and Puns would definitely die too if Sultan flipped scum

reading day2 more thoroughly now

I find it veeeeery interesting that Ben immediately doesnt see anything wrong with red as the nightkill choice.
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Camarija
05/25/19 4:19:20 AM
#340:


Death

I think this is what you're looking for:

HanOfTheNekos posted...
Camarija posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
Camarija posted...
ScareChan posted...
I like bens reactions early

reds energy is townie

ulti will sort himself

cam is playing distinctly different than his last game as scum so leaning town for now


This is pretty much his only game related post other than reversing his town read on me for 'raisins'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MUKIBfGN7c" data-time="


Camarija posted...
But again - Scare has literally avoided any meaningful engagement all game

That's probably the leading day 1 lynch contender


Once more, no, it won't be.

I mean, it sucks that he hasn't done much (migraine?) but Scare is one of the most accurate Town power users I've ever seen so even if he does fuckall today I will fight for him to get at least one night.


I feel like you're going to bat for Scare exceedingly hard here


Yeah. If it comes down to it, I'll die for him.


Han 100% chose to protect Scare
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Camarija
05/25/19 4:21:27 AM
#341:


Also - if you're reading up today:

No, I never actually thought Han decided to protect me
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htaeD
05/25/19 4:23:00 AM
#342:


Well you have two options. Believe me that it was a coincidence Marth would later claim Watcher or think I'm stupid enough to see Marth claim Watcher and then act like I haven't just so I can vote him for a few minutes. And at the same time make myself look bad by making it clear to everyone I know my vote will be outdated down the line


except when Eaed called you out for it earlier

It suggests that he knows that there is a reason to unvote coming up. Like seeing that Marth was gonna claim watcher before hand.


COOL TAKE!!!

I was thinking it simply meant:

I'm reading right now

I'm taking notes right now

I'd like to vote Marth right now

I'll continue reading now


and Cam annoyingly defended you like a lapdog, you still said

Nope it definitely meant what Eaed is getting from it - "Unless things change down the road". I mean it was just bad luck that things really did change, but I didn't know. Just thought there was a chance they would


Which doesnt really line up with what Eaed said either. So which was it then?
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htaeD
05/25/19 4:25:07 AM
#343:


I have no idea why anyone would think Han would protect you either

But thats not iron-clad anyway, Cam

Whil scum normally doesnt directly shoot the BG if they know/suspect a player is one. They might have done so in this case just so scum (perhaps you!) could say Scare is proven town.
He is not. Not at all.
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htaeD
05/25/19 4:26:17 AM
#344:


That said I dont really have much of a reason to suspect Scare either. So its probably a moot point.
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htaeD
05/25/19 4:30:07 AM
#345:


Camarija posted...
There's nothing to elaborate;

Yesterday I gave the most reads, the most pressure, the most votes, the most content, and received the most consensus Town reads

Therefore, I get protection


You are so adorable, but this is blatantly not true here on board8
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htaeD
05/25/19 4:32:39 AM
#346:


ScareChan posted...
turbopuns3 posted...
I am nebula present day


cool

##Vote: Sultan

he is for sure other nebula


Of course I forgot Puns doesnt know Sultans flavor for real. So this is still possible.
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Camarija
05/25/19 4:33:19 AM
#347:


htaeD posted...
Camarija posted...
There's nothing to elaborate;

Yesterday I gave the most reads, the most pressure, the most votes, the most content, and received the most consensus Town reads

Therefore, I get protection


You are so adorable, but this is blatantly not true here on board8


I'll wait for you to catch up

I was being annoying on purpose
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htaeD
05/25/19 4:35:34 AM
#348:


Camarija posted...
Obellisk posted...
Camarija posted...
Obellisk posted...
Camarija posted...
turbopuns3 posted...
Camarija posted...
Made some outrageous claims

And waited for people with KNOWLEDGE of what really happened, and DESIRE to push me harder, taking advantage of the bait I laid down

And well, you did all of those things mate


I am telling you how it is on this site. I have played mafia with these people since 2010. Literally half the game would target red and han just because of their names.

Holy crap you're arrogant lmao


Again

I was playing arrogant so Mafia would take advantage of unlikable nature in a weak position

I continued pushing outrageous claim that I was attacked to get wolves to out privileged information

Point is, I did get a rise out of you, and you did reveal privileged information, so it worked


He did?


He got mad and revealed that everything I'd claimed today was wrong

He said it once, but I kept pushing the unlikable nature to get him to say it louder and stronger

See post 273 for example


Does he think you are scum? If so then what you are saying is in fact wrong to him. I don't know if you really gained anything there.


Take note of the players on the previous page who kept saying:

NO YOU'RE WRONG, YOU WOULDN'T BE ATTACKED

NO YOU'RE WRONG

the only people who could be CERTAIN that I was wrong, is of course, Mafia

Just getting a rise of out of them to slip up

Two players who did this on the previous page:

Sultan + Turbopuns

Do you understand what I'm saying?

Do you understand the trap?


No I am town and I am pretty sure I want to yell at you too for this 'arrogance'
I wont though, because I like to be nice.
But still.. your logic is flawed
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htaeD
05/25/19 4:36:18 AM
#349:


I see what you are doing now. But if it annoys me, then I already know its not just scum who you got a rise out of.
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Camarija
05/25/19 4:38:30 AM
#350:


htaeD posted...
I see what you are doing now. But if it annoys me, then I already know its not just scum who you got a rise out of.


Of course

The difference is that Mafia would want to use as much privileged information to prove me wrong once they're mad enough

Whereas Town would not be ABLE to do this

There is a difference

Of course, I do apologize for the unpleasantness, but there was a method to the madness
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