Board 8 > Avengers: Endgame Mafia Topic 2

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Leafeon13N posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I don't think Red was being genuine and im waiting to see any followup from him. Wouldve been curious to see without me offering my opinion on Ulti, but OH WELL

Dont like this. Ive had games where i go super active early and play super loose(flinging votes, etc). Those are less genuine, even as town. Start of this game was much more normal me when i get amped up, so I'm not really sure where han is coming from here.

I mean that I don't think you were certain Ulti was Scum based off of flavor reasons and it seemed like you were making a play for the sake of making a play.

Given you've just popped in to just say what you did, it appears I was correct in my assessment.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Fine with me. Red has magically disappeared but it's day one. I am more than willing to look at multiple people.

I am rarely on early. It's only 230pm right now.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I don't think Red was being genuine and im waiting to see any followup from him. Wouldve been curious to see without me offering my opinion on Ulti, but OH WELL

Dont like this. Ive had games where i go super active early and play super loose(flinging votes, etc). Those are less genuine, even as town. Start of this game was much more normal me when i get amped up, so I'm not really sure where han is coming from here.

I mean that I don't think you were certain Ulti was Scum based off of flavor reasons and it seemed like you were making a play for the sake of making a play.

Given you've just popped in to just say what you did, it appears I was correct in my assessment.

Scum/scum
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Ok yeah Corrik is Scum.
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Corrik7 posted...

Camarija posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Cam, how much mafia experience do you have and do you consider yourself a high tier player?

I've been playing mafia for a while now I guess

I don't consider myself a high tier player

I just get lucky a lot

So ur saying ur lucky a lot as town and are not very good as mafia (specifically mafia itself), which doesn't really deal much in luck.

You're asking what I think of myself

I'm saying I don't consider myself a 'high tier' player in general

I'm also saying that I generally attribute correct votes and actions to luck and not skill

Okay, Han!
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Well that post just dropped it 2% but I currently don't buy this as Town Corrik.

Cam's talking about unimpactful players and that defines Corrik pretty well here.
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Camarija posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Camarija posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Cam, how much mafia experience do you have and do you consider yourself a high tier player?

I've been playing mafia for a while now I guess

I don't consider myself a high tier player

I just get lucky a lot

So ur saying ur lucky a lot as town and are not very good as mafia (specifically mafia itself), which doesn't really deal much in luck.

You're asking what I think of myself

I'm saying I don't consider myself a 'high tier' player in general

I'm also saying that I generally attribute correct votes and actions to luck and not skill

And what about as mafia where luck isn't really a factor. Ulti says you can't contain yourself with knowing more information than someone in town would. Do you agree with that?
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Sorry, that post just earned the suspicion all back.

Rik is Scum.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Well that post just dropped it 2% but I currently don't buy this as Town Corrik.

Cam's talking about unimpactful players and that defines Corrik pretty well here.

I just think it is funny you picked a comment I have said maybe 300 times in mafia over the years and have undoubtfully heard me say before to say I am scum all of the sudden. Hence are you forgetful or just faking an argument?

*Shrug*
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Hey Cam. Would you say Corrik is being a chaos maker with these questions? Want to make sure im using the term right.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Cam's talking about unimpactful players and that defines Corrik pretty well here.

That defines corrik all the time. I dont remember the game name but the one with the op resurrecting mason or whatever corrik doing nothing literally defined his play.

Not saying hes necessarily town here, but of all the things to make him scum that is not it.

Corrik7 posted...

Camarija posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Camarija posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Cam, how much mafia experience do you have and do you consider yourself a high tier player?

I've been playing mafia for a while now I guess

I don't consider myself a high tier player

I just get lucky a lot

So ur saying ur lucky a lot as town and are not very good as mafia (specifically mafia itself), which doesn't really deal much in luck.

You're asking what I think of myself

I'm saying I don't consider myself a 'high tier' player in general

I'm also saying that I generally attribute correct votes and actions to luck and not skill

And what about as mafia where luck isn't really a factor. Ulti says you can't contain yourself with knowing more information than someone in town would. Do you agree with that?

As Mafia, there certainly are levels of luck:
-making the correct kills
-making the correct pockets
-making the correct pushes

As for whether or not I agree with Ulti that I can't contain myself when I know more information than someone ordinarily would:
I can't give you a meaningful answer, sorry

So the question is. Was Han feeling a little uneasy people were questioning why he wasn't tunneling Ulti if he was town so he made up a reason to try and tunnel me.

Han may actually be scum. If he is scum though, Ulti would have to be town.

And, I am not even close to any extent of thinking Ulti isn't scum. They are a pair that affects the alignments of others. Ulti and Han are not scum together.
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Corrik you said red/Ulti is likely scum/scum right?

So what happens if we lynch one and he flips town.

Give me both scenarios if you please.
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Camarija posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Camarija posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Camarija posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Cam, how much mafia experience do you have and do you consider yourself a high tier player?

I've been playing mafia for a while now I guess

I don't consider myself a high tier player

I just get lucky a lot

So ur saying ur lucky a lot as town and are not very good as mafia (specifically mafia itself), which doesn't really deal much in luck.

You're asking what I think of myself

I'm saying I don't consider myself a 'high tier' player in general

I'm also saying that I generally attribute correct votes and actions to luck and not skill

And what about as mafia where luck isn't really a factor. Ulti says you can't contain yourself with knowing more information than someone in town would. Do you agree with that?

As Mafia, there certainly are levels of luck:
-making the correct kills
-making the correct pockets
-making the correct pushes

As for whether or not I agree with Ulti that I can't contain myself when I know more information than someone ordinarily would:
I can't give you a meaningful answer, sorry

So basically you have a true opinion of yourself but you aren't giving it here or now and not divulging anything regarding your play in any way.

Fair enough.

I mean, you are clearly town. I was just curious how devious you considered yourself for reasons of my own.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Hey Cam. Would you say Corrik is being a chaos maker with these questions? Want to make sure im using the term right.

I feel like Corrik is asking these questions because he has a particular line that he's taking here

I don't think he is attempting to manage perceptions, I think he's trying to draw his own conclusions

Corrik has basically "Ulti/Red are Scum together" as his claim to this game. It's early, whatever. But he's stuck out because his contribution there ws "HEY GUYS I THINK CAM IS TOWN TOO also he's super wrong" and since has been... grilling Cam on his opinions of self?
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UltimaterializerX posted...

You are one lazy fucking guy if you think 2:30pm is "early".

Context ulti im not on early hence 230 is not early.

Hey cam, what's pocketing mean?
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Corrik7 posted...

So the question is. Was Han feeling a little uneasy people were questioning why he wasn't tunneling Ulti if he was town so he made up a reason to try and tunnel me.

Ok yeah this is literally the dumbest thing I have read in a game of mafia.

Puns I apologize for how I reacted last night I now see how bad things can truly be
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Obellisk posted...

Corrik you said red/Ulti is likely scum/scum right?

So what happens if we lynch one and he flips town.

Give me both scenarios if you please.

That's a good question. I haven't really considered past Ulti is definitely scum. Red isn't as much as a lock, but it is likely.

Red being town wouldn't affect Ulti's alignment as scum at all.

Ulti flipping town probably alleviates most of my argument regarding Red. I feel red is making up bogus arguments to kill ulti who is suiciding and appear to be town for it. Red is very meticulous if I remember correctly on that others don't get credit for lynches.

However, if Ulti isn't suiciding into Red, my argument doesn't really exist. Other than Red is using some asinine reasoning which he likely wouldn't have done as scum against a Town Miller of all things, especially Ulti.
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Corrik7 posted...

Camarija posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Camarija posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Camarija posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Cam, how much mafia experience do you have and do you consider yourself a high tier player?

I've been playing mafia for a while now I guess

I don't consider myself a high tier player

I just get lucky a lot

So ur saying ur lucky a lot as town and are not very good as mafia (specifically mafia itself), which doesn't really deal much in luck.

You're asking what I think of myself

I'm saying I don't consider myself a 'high tier' player in general

I'm also saying that I generally attribute correct votes and actions to luck and not skill

And what about as mafia where luck isn't really a factor. Ulti says you can't contain yourself with knowing more information than someone in town would. Do you agree with that?

As Mafia, there certainly are levels of luck:
-making the correct kills
-making the correct pockets
-making the correct pushes

As for whether or not I agree with Ulti that I can't contain myself when I know more information than someone ordinarily would:
I can't give you a meaningful answer, sorry

So basically you have a true opinion of yourself but you aren't giving it here or now and not divulging anything regarding your play in any way.

Fair enough.

I mean, you are clearly town. I was just curious how devious you considered yourself for reasons of my own.

I was most curious about your second question and where that was leading

I found it troubling because it's always beneficial to lay down your thoughts on the table when you have them

The more information and analysis that's out there, the better

There's also the idea of hubris to keep your analysis to yourself when it could very well be flawed and has led to incorrect conclusions

Obellisk posted...

Hey cam, what's pocketing mean?

I think it means getting town to clear you as town. Not positive.
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Obellisk posted...

Hey cam, what's pocketing mean?

When you pocket someone, it refers to befriending someone

Normally there are negative mafia connotations to the term 'pocket', but Town may also want to pocket players for strategic purposes as well

For example:
Mafia A: I'm going to get Town A in my pocket, that way we'll control an extra vote at End of Day

I see Cam is going from a mistaken viewpoint.
I dont distrust Ben because of the claim he made. I distrust him because he claimed at all.
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Corrik7 posted...

However, if Ulti isn't suiciding into Red

Would you say he is suiciding now? I mean red is the one that attacked Ulti. It's not like red claimed something and then Ulti showed up with a contradiction and is riding it home.
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Also Sultan equating suspicion to attacks is a puzzler.. and makes me wonder if sultan is trying to befriend Cam now that everyone likes him
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Camarija posted...

I was most curious about your second question and where that was leading

I found it troubling because it's always beneficial to lay down your thoughts on the table when you have them

The more information and analysis that's out there, the better

There's also the idea of hubris to keep your analysis to yourself when it could very well be flawed and has led to incorrect conclusions

If you considered yourself a good mafia side player, it is because you think you are clever or sneaky. I was wondering how much that might portray into your reads as town. Simply saying hey I think so and so is scum as town doesn't necessarily mean you think it. It might be a way to get reactions or make reads.

I think your read of Scare is pretty good. Inactive scare is almost always scum anyways. Your reads on Crescent and Sultan I am not really with you on.

I was curious of how much you actually believe your own reads. You seem, despite your lack of admittance, to be a very prideful player who "doesn't want to brag". So I would say you believe them.

You seem to think you can figure out the game day 1 with very little information. Wanted to know how much this was a show of force to find information or whether you believe it basically.
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Camarija posted...

Obellisk posted...

Hey cam, what's pocketing mean?

When you pocket someone, it refers to befriending someone

Normally there are negative mafia connotations to the term 'pocket', but Town may also want to pocket players for strategic purposes as well

For example:
Mafia A: I'm going to get Town A in my pocket, that way we'll control an extra vote at End of Day

Ohhhhhhhh. I get it now.
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Granted your read on crescent has zero explanation also.
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htaeD posted...

Also Sultan equating suspicion to attacks is a puzzler.. and makes me wonder if sultan is trying to befriend Cam now that everyone likes him

I'd like to point out:

htaeD and hbthebattle are unlikely to be Mafia together from this post

The reasoning is that I believe everyone refers to hbthebattle unvoting me

Obellisk posted...

Corrik7 posted...

However, if Ulti isn't suiciding into Red

Would you say he is suiciding now? I mean red is the one that attacked Ulti. It's not like red claimed something and then Ulti showed up with a contradiction and is riding it home.

I think Ulti was suiciding with his claim yes.
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Hey I like you too.
And last time I checked, so did other players besides HB.
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Corrik7 posted...

Obellisk posted...

Corrik7 posted...

However, if Ulti isn't suiciding into Red

Would you say he is suiciding now? I mean red is the one that attacked Ulti. It's not like red claimed something and then Ulti showed up with a contradiction and is riding it home.

I think Ulti was suiciding with his claim yes.

So suiciding into the game not into red. There is a difference.
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That said calling people scum without explanation is also a valid scumtactic as it could lead to people tunnelvisioning on players scum wants town to focus on

And thats easier day1 with the most players alive
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Corrik7 posted...

Camarija posted...

I was most curious about your second question and where that was leading

I found it troubling because it's always beneficial to lay down your thoughts on the table when you have them

The more information and analysis that's out there, the better

There's also the idea of hubris to keep your analysis to yourself when it could very well be flawed and has led to incorrect conclusions

If you considered yourself a good mafia side player, it is because you think you are clever or sneaky. I was wondering how much that might portray into your reads as town. Simply saying hey I think so and so is scum as town doesn't necessarily mean you think it. It might be a way to get reactions or make reads.

I think your read of Scare is pretty good. Inactive scare is almost always scum anyways. Your reads on Crescent and Sultan I am not really with you on.

I was curious of how much you actually believe your own reads. You seem, despite your lack of admittance, to be a very prideful player who "doesn't want to brag". So I would say you believe them.

You seem to think you can figure out the game day 1 with very little information. Wanted to know how much this was a show of force to find information or whether you believe it basically.

Thank you, I appreciate your rationale;

I think you definitely noted the confidence in my play this game

My confidence has nothing to do with being assured of my skills, rather is has to do with the cards I'm holding this game

I like my cards, I think I have a good hand, so I'm playing more hands than most this day phase

I can see red13n playing in a similar fashion and it's one of the reasons I believe he is also Town

Obellisk posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Obellisk posted...

Corrik7 posted...

However, if Ulti isn't suiciding into Red

Would you say he is suiciding now? I mean red is the one that attacked Ulti. It's not like red claimed something and then Ulti showed up with a contradiction and is riding it home.

I think Ulti was suiciding with his claim yes.

So suiciding into the game not into red. There is a difference.

I believe he suicided without any consultation of his team because he thought it would be fun to claim his real flavor or some shit and told them to look good by voting him. (Won't be surprised if Ulti dies in activity as the game goes on if he isn't lynched here now. This was his contribution to the game his suicide.) Red attacked into it because if your teammate is suiciding what can you do at this point but jump onto it.

Then Town can't stop stumbling over themselves saying it is too damn easy that ulti is scum so they have fallen off the mark and now ulti is just there. Ulti basically is going to claim scum as scum and live and talk about how good he is after or he is gonna die here and suicide as part of his "strategy" to help him team win.

I have seen this Ulti song and dance way too many times.
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htaeD posted...

Hey I like you too.
And last time I checked, so did other players besides HB.

:)

I guess my point is, in the world where you are Mafia, I'd like to err on the side of caution and preemptively find players who would be cleared by your alignment reveal

Corrik7 posted...

I believe he suicided without any consultation of his team because he thought it would be fun to claim his real flavor or some s*** and told them to look good by voting him. (Won't be surprised if Ulti dies in activity as the game goes on if he isn't lynched here now. This was his contribution to the game his suicide.) Red attacked into it because if your teammate is suiciding what can you do at this point but jump onto it.

Then Town can't stop stumbling over themselves saying it is too damn easy that ulti is scum so they have fallen off the mark and now ulti is just there. Ulti basically is going to claim scum as scum and live and talk about how good he is after or he is gonna die here and suicide as part of his "strategy" to help him team win.

I have seen this Ulti song and dance way too many times.

I'm not saying it's necessarily accurate right now in this game, but that description of Ulti's play in general is definitely on point.

Camarija posted...

htaeD posted...

Hey I like you too.
And last time I checked, so did other players besides HB.

:)

I guess my point is, in the world where you are Mafia, I'd like to err on the side of caution and preemptively find players who would be cleared by your alignment reveal

And I'd like to not die. You can see the bind I am in.
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Corrik7 posted...

I believe he suicided without any consultation of his team because he thought it would be fun to claim his real flavor or some shit and told them to look good by voting him. (Won't be surprised if Ulti dies in activity as the game goes on if he isn't lynched here now. This was his contribution to the game his suicide.) Corrik attacked into it because if your teammate is suiciding what can you do at this point but jump onto it.

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Corriks fear of Ulti rings true to me too.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Corrik7 posted...

I believe he suicided without any consultation of his team because he thought it would be fun to claim his real flavor or some shit and told them to look good by voting him. (Won't be surprised if Ulti dies in activity as the game goes on if he isn't lynched here now. This was his contribution to the game his suicide.) Corrik attacked into it because if your teammate is suiciding what can you do at this point but jump onto it.

Good then you are on the same page that Ulti is scum. So we lynch him today. Thanks!
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htaeD posted...

Camarija posted...

htaeD posted...

Hey I like you too.
And last time I checked, so did other players besides HB.

:)

I guess my point is, in the world where you are Mafia, I'd like to err on the side of caution and preemptively find players who would be cleared by your alignment reveal

And I'd like to not die. You can see the bind I am in.

Honestly, I think Scare or a low hanging fruit bites the rope today

If you're wolf, you never flip today anyway

I think as someone previously suggested, you're a decent cop scan or something similar

Corrik7 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Corrik7 posted...

I believe he suicided without any consultation of his team because he thought it would be fun to claim his real flavor or some shit and told them to look good by voting him. (Won't be surprised if Ulti dies in activity as the game goes on if he isn't lynched here now. This was his contribution to the game his suicide.) Corrik attacked into it because if your teammate is suiciding what can you do at this point but jump onto it.

Good then you are on the same page that Ulti is scum. So we lynch him today. Thanks!

Corrik continues to be dismissive of me yet still throws light shade.

Does Corrik think I'm Scum? His dismissive tone towards me clearly indicates otherwise.
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Death is town, save your breath.
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