Board 8 > Avengers: Endgame Mafia Topic 2

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Obellisk posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Corrik7 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

No, it's not. Its very in character for Town Han.

People who talk like their Town and Scum play are personas and reference their play in third person are definitely someone you want to look at.

They are self-aware and are trying to play as they would be thought to as an alignment.

I dunno man, I wouldn't call Ulti self-aware.

But also, I didnt bring it up. Just responding to some very incorrect reads of me as a player.

Obellisk posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

but frankly I didnt feel that my two cents were necessary.

Why wouldn't your opinions on the game be necessary?

Why haven't you given your opinion on Lolo, yet?

I forgot he was in the game but thanks for reminding me he's only made one post.

Now I doubt you can say you forgot about Ulti

Ditto for every other player though.

There is no need for me to post my thoughts on every single person when I have them.

Ulti is not special in this regard at all. Notice - people haven't asked me about Red. Why not?

I just haven't gotten there yet.

Hey, how do you feel about red on day one bursting onto the scene with a flavor counter to ultis Miller claim? I find it to be a bit out of character for red (on either alignment).
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Han, how do you feel about Red?
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##vote: cam

Town Lean revoked
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Also, Marth voted for Ulti in post 282, and those votes are not including it. He was clear the vote was not serious, though.

Sultan, why are you on Cam?

Im on cam beacuse his udder nonsense but if he was drunk then maybe oll get off but for now staying on him until he preovides me some better content for now looks like a scrambling scum

LOL

Are you petty or really this bad as Mafia?TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Also, Marth voted for Ulti in post 282, and those votes are not including it. He was clear the vote was not serious, though.

Sultan, why are you on Cam?

Im on cam beacuse his udder nonsense but if he was drunk then maybe oll get off but for now staying on him until he preovides me some better content for now looks like a scrambling scum

Hey Sultan

I laid out a pretty in depth rationale for why I think you have ~36% equity of being Mafia (well above the normal ~25%)

TheSultanOfSlam
Post #
68Kek - responds to my intro :D - null but at least the Sheikh is reading
77Asks benjamin for his flavor - I don't like it in general because of unknown roles in general
87Accepts Benjamin3740's flavor
91Sultan is acting like a chaos maker about Ulti's alignment
117Continues acting as a chaos maker about Ulti's alignment
135Present but null content
159Asks red13n to basically defend and continue his position on anti-Ulti - feels like he's setting up a T vs T red13n vs Ultimaterializer. Not wolf/wolf with Ulti
170Pushes the anti-red narrative, by proxy actually defends Ulti - should note that I had been going pretty hard against Red right before this regarding gamestate, and Corrik I believe also backed that momentum
176incomprehensible to me - but largely it feels like a prod to better understand/play it safe in the setup in case Sultan believes there COULD be a cop that would check a potential miller. Overall, I would have to say this is another example of why Sultan is not w/w with Ulti
190Leaves Ulti as a last minute lynch candidate
191tries to correct position to not seem too eager?

Summary:Largely they're a chaos maker, non comital, null content, goes with the flow, low-friction player this game

Not great
Never wolf with: Ultimaterializer
Odds of wolf: ~36%

I don't know how cleaerer I can be

You were not hunting

You're still not hunting

You're on me because you're either petty or lazy, but you're not interested in looking through my content to solve my alignment

You'd rather be dismissive and negative so you're not forced to engage and interact

Finally, you seem to not be concerned that Crescent-Moon may be asking you a leading question right here

funny play Sultan :)

Camarija posted...

htaeD posted...

He gave me a 50 % just because he apparently cant read me
welp

Are you whinging?

I noticed something from you that can only come from a certain type of player

I have you are 50% (well above the standard 25%) for good reason

Do you honestly believe that it looks like I could lead you to getting flipped today?

I had to look that word up, lol

Nah wasnt complaining. I was giving my personal input on the topic of your percentages.
Apparently you did that game too though?
Or is this just a holdover from your wolf-game experiences?
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Hbthebattle posted...

Han, how do you feel about Red?

Frankly it was somewhat stupid reasoning even if I don't disagree with pointing out the discrepancy. It led to some back and forth that was annoying to read.

I don't think Red was being genuine and im waiting to see any followup from him. Wouldve been curious to see without me offering my opinion on Ulti, but OH WELL
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Obellisk posted...

Camarija posted...

Lolo_Guru posted...

I know basically nothing about Avengers: Endgame. (haven't even seen Infinity War)

Not that it's needed to play. Mafia is mafia, with or without flavor.

At Post#246:
Camarija posted...

Benjamin3740 = Lean Wolf

Post#266:
Camarija posted...

Benjamin3740
Post #
27Claims Town Vanilla

Summary:
Never wolf with: Anyone because he's Town
Odds of wolf: ~0%

I'm not even going to bother

He's town

Next

Cam: Can you explain why you were leaning scum on Ben in the first place?

Yeah;

I was scanning people's posts on the first 4 pages and seeing if they:

A. Were actually playing the game - Ben was basically not playing the game sitting at 8 posts

B. Were actively hunting - People who failed A, I would next move here and take notes post by post. Upon deeper review I just can't rationalize Ben doing what he did as anything but what he claims

[Meant to post this here - Woops]

Dunno how I feel about a full flip on him in 50 minutes. You called him scum. Then reference his ifrst post fifty minutes later and call him town.

Yes sir

That you continually don't see it concerns me, but I've already resolved to stop questioning you

Oh and forgot to address the other part of that post.
am I supposed to guess what you noticed? Or am I supposed to guess what type of player you are talking about.(its scum isnt it? why not just say that?)

And no I dont believe that. I dont even believe you want me flipped. I am not sure where this question comes from.
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htaeD posted...

Camarija posted...

htaeD posted...

He gave me a 50 % just because he apparently cant read me
welp

Are you whinging?

I noticed something from you that can only come from a certain type of player

I have you are 50% (well above the standard 25%) for good reason

Do you honestly believe that it looks like I could lead you to getting flipped today?

I had to look that word up, lol

Nah wasnt complaining. I was giving my personal input on the topic of your percentages.
Apparently you did that game too though?
Or is this just a holdover from your wolf-game experiences?

I'd like you to answer my question

Do you honestly believe that I, given the almost universal hatred towards my play, would be able to flip you today?

Do you actually feel threatened by my remarks about you potentially being scum with higher likelihood than most?

And what is a chaos maker? Cam
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Camarija posted...

I'd like you to answer my question

Do you honestly believe that I, given the almost universal hatred towards my play, would be able to flip you today?

Do you actually feel threatened by my remarks about you potentially being scum with higher likelihood than most?

First off, I read your post more as a threat than... whatever its real intention was.
I did answer in the mean time, but to be more specific towards your phrasing here.
No I do not feel threatened.

(I dont hate your play though. It just confuses me, and takes some getting used to)
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htaeD posted...

Oh and forgot to address the other part of that post.
am I supposed to guess what you noticed? Or am I supposed to guess what type of player you are talking about.(its scum isnt it? why not just say that?)

And no I dont believe that. I dont even believe you want me flipped. I am not sure where this question comes from.

It's pretty simple mate

Why are you complaining about me scum reading you if you think it's virtually ineffective in every event?

I believe you're hyper focused on this instead of actual hunting because you perceive my comments as a REAL threat to you

Votals @ T2 P62

Cam - 3 - Hb, Sultan, Scare
Ulti - 2 - Corrik, Red
Han - 1 - Puns
Death - 1 - Cam
Red - 1 - Ulti
Sultan - 0 - (Cam)

I explained that already.
I was not complaining. You may see it that way, but its not.
It was a subject discussed by everyone, and I felt I had to correct sultan about you voting someone with just 33 % when clearly you were voting me with 50 %

(also I am not your mate, buddy!)

If anything I should complain about you voting me while deliberately holding back your reasons for keeping the vote.
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htaeD posted...

And what is a chaos maker? Cam

For example

Let's say I'm voting you, and you're voting me

Someone comes in and asks you:
"What are your thoughts on Cam?"

It's a bit of a leading question to something obvious isn't it?

The goal of which can be interpreted as:
Intention to get target player (you in this example) to focus on certain players (me in this example) they were or would already be focusing on solving

It can be considered a throw away question, and often you'd find with chaos makers is that they have no intention to follow up their leading questions with meaningful analysis or purpose

Does this make sense of what I mean by chaos maker?

Asking questions for the sake of sowing distrust amongst villagers

Summary:Largely they're a chaos maker, non comital, null content, goes with the flow, low-friction player this game

Chaos maker? Ive given valid reasoning on my thoughts
Nu content i laid out an argument for ulti, red, ben, and you.

Go with the flow?? How?
Non commital?? I caught you as scum and sticking to it.
Low friction i caught you as scum again 2nd game in a row
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htaeD posted...

I explained that already.
I was not complaining. You may see it that way, but its not.
It was a subject discussed by everyone, and I felt I had to correct sultan about you voting someone with just 33 % when clearly you were voting me with 50 %

(also I am not your mate, buddy!)

If anything I should complain about you voting me while deliberately holding back your reasons for keeping the vote.

I could tell you, but if you're Town I'm certain you wouldn't want me saying

I see. Well that does happen a lot here too. Just have never seen a name for it.

Is is indeed very easy for scum to just toss out questions rather than opinions.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Hmm also not buying Ulti but its very well thought out so have to think if Ulti that clever to come up with that on his own to try and trick us only olayed with ulti once and he was caught scum pretty easy last time so idk..

"Sultan is acting like a chaos maker about Ulti's alignment"

Why did I say this here?

Because it feels like you are hedging your read on Ulti, while simultaneously sowing mistrust of Ulti

NOTE: I believe Ulti is TOWN

(Meant to post this here)

Camarija posted...

htaeD posted...

I explained that already.
I was not complaining. You may see it that way, but its not.
It was a subject discussed by everyone, and I felt I had to correct sultan about you voting someone with just 33 % when clearly you were voting me with 50 %

(also I am not your mate, buddy!)

If anything I should complain about you voting me while deliberately holding back your reasons for keeping the vote.

I could tell you, but if you're Town I'm certain you wouldn't want me saying

You think I am scum, but wont tell me why because you are not sure I am scum?
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And yet somehow I can follow your logic in the sense of 'dont tell scum what their scumtells are or town what their towntells are because then they stop being tells'

That said, this is our first game together, so I have no clue what you could be seeing.

I guess I will just do what I did before and ignore it.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

So Ulti the kind of guy who would be ballsy enough to still claim thanos if what he is saying isnt true?

I really want to know beacuse i know i wouldnt be to risky. Also would a scum team really let probably their biggest power do such a thing?

"Continues acting as a chaos maker about Ulti's alignment"

Why did I call you a chaos maker here?

Because you're asking accusatory questions without actually taking a stance on Ulti

Again, it looks like you're attempting to lead people into accusing Ulti at this stage of the game without taking a stance on them yourself

Thus, I called you a Chaos Maker

Camarija posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Hmm also not buying Ulti but its very well thought out so have to think if Ulti that clever to come up with that on his own to try and trick us only olayed with ulti once and he was caught scum pretty easy last time so idk..

"Sultan is acting like a chaos maker about Ulti's alignment"

Why did I say this here?

Because it feels like you are hedging your read on Ulti, while simultaneously sowing mistrust of Ulti

NOTE: I believe Ulti is TOWN

(Meant to post this here)

I go on to explain this keep reading
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And he does have a fair point Sultan, your stance on Ulti switches a lot within the same post.
Though I wouldnt say that creates chaos as much as it does ennui.
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htaeD posted...

Camarija posted...

htaeD posted...

I explained that already.
I was not complaining. You may see it that way, but its not.
It was a subject discussed by everyone, and I felt I had to correct sultan about you voting someone with just 33 % when clearly you were voting me with 50 %

(also I am not your mate, buddy!)

If anything I should complain about you voting me while deliberately holding back your reasons for keeping the vote.

I could tell you, but if you're Town I'm certain you wouldn't want me saying

You think I am scum, but wont tell me why because you are not sure I am scum?
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And yet somehow I can follow your logic in the sense of 'dont tell scum what their scumtells are or town what their towntells are because then they stop being tells'

That said, this is our first game together, so I have no clue what you could be seeing.

I guess I will just do what I did before and ignore it.

I think that's best for now

More than anything I'd prefer to play around you and figure out how other players will play with you given the suspicion laid on the table by me onto you

I do like you laying out all your plans on the table.
Though it does make it easier for scum to play around it, it also makes you sound more genuine.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Well Ulti still might be our Safe fall onto lynch for the arguement if he is scum cool we got him and if not we only lose a miller.

Here you decide to keep Ulti on the table without having to actively push them

Like i go on to say im thinking ulti is more so town beacuse it seems way to risky for a scum to claim thanos (spark noteing my ranting about it)
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Yeah but Ulti is Ulti.
And ScumUlti makes risky fakeclaims (multiple within the same game) all the time and we let him get away with it..
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Sultan playing both sides of an argument? Sounds like Sultan.
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Camarija posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Well Ulti still might be our Safe fall onto lynch for the arguement if he is scum cool we got him and if not we only lose a miller.

Here you decide to keep Ulti on the table without having to actively push them

Right it might be safe for the slim chance he is actually scum but worst case scenario he is only a miller then also go on to say keep looking into more options and not assume he is scum for the people who are just going to sit on ulti so youre probably miss readin me
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Scumsultan or townsultan?
Please clarify
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So you see Scare,

I'm not pulling my reads out of my buttocks

They are legitimate, they should be crystal clear to understand, and I guess what I'm saying is:

You're acting as a Chaos Maker, you're non comital, you have null content, you go with the flow, you're a low-friction player this game

The only stance you take is lazily on me, and continue to do so by some form of OMGUS

However, I am privy to knowing that your ONLY stance so far this game (on me) is wrong

So yeah, I don't like your play this game, and the only legitimate play you've done so far is inaccurate

Of course I have you as higher liklihood of Mafia

*that should say Sultan not Scare haha :D

Although Scare has been incredibly unimpactful this game, I meant to discuss Sultan in post #82, not Scare

Obellisk posted...

Sultan playing both sides of an argument? Sounds like Sultan.

Honestly its the best way for me to find out what i truly feel about someone maybe it rubbing Cam the wrong way? Or he is mad o caught him?
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Camarija posted...

You're acting as a Chaos Maker, you're non comital, you have null content, you go with the flow, you're a low-friction player this game

already broke your argument here
Try again
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Camarija posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Well Ulti still might be our Safe fall onto lynch for the arguement if he is scum cool we got him and if not we only lose a miller.

Here you decide to keep Ulti on the table without having to actively push them

Right it might be safe for the slim chance he is actually scum but worst case scenario he is only a miller then also go on to say keep looking into more options and not assume he is scum for the people who are just going to sit on ulti so youre probably miss readin me

Sultan,

Let's reevaluate

Your original complaint was that I wasn't making sense and my reads were drunken nonsense

1) Can you NOW understand the meaning of my analysis? Even if you disagree with me? I just want to make sure you can MAKE SENSE of what I was saying.

2) Can you admit that my analysis follows a legitimate line of questioning? I'm asking because I want to make sure, even if you disagree with it, that it isn't vacuous nonsense.

Please let me know once you've gotten this far

I believe this will be key to continuing our conversations

Camarija posted...

So you see Scare,

I'm not pulling my reads out of my buttocks

They are legitimate, they should be crystal clear to understand, and I guess what I'm saying is:

You're acting as a Chaos Maker, you're non comital, you have null content, you go with the flow, you're a low-friction player this game

The only stance you take is lazily on me, and continue to do so by some form of OMGUS

However, I am privy to knowing that your ONLY stance so far this game (on me) is wrong

So yeah, I don't like your play this game, and the only legitimate play you've done so far is inaccurate

Of course I have you as higher liklihood of Mafia

No omgus

Raisins
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ScareChan posted...

Camarija posted...

So you see Scare,

I'm not pulling my reads out of my buttocks

They are legitimate, they should be crystal clear to understand, and I guess what I'm saying is:

You're acting as a Chaos Maker, you're non comital, you have null content, you go with the flow, you're a low-friction player this game

The only stance you take is lazily on me, and continue to do so by some form of OMGUS

However, I am privy to knowing that your ONLY stance so far this game (on me) is wrong

So yeah, I don't like your play this game, and the only legitimate play you've done so far is inaccurate

Of course I have you as higher liklihood of Mafia

No omgus

Raisins

I think you should probably play

You've made like what... 5 posts so far this game?

I am playing

Patience scum o
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ScareChan posted...

I am playing

Patience scum o

lol

you dirty slanker haha :D

Camarija posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Camarija posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Well Ulti still might be our Safe fall onto lynch for the arguement if he is scum cool we got him and if not we only lose a miller.

Here you decide to keep Ulti on the table without having to actively push them

Right it might be safe for the slim chance he is actually scum but worst case scenario he is only a miller then also go on to say keep looking into more options and not assume he is scum for the people who are just going to sit on ulti so youre probably miss readin me

Sultan,

Let's reevaluate

Your original complaint was that I wasn't making sense and my reads were drunken nonsense

1) Can you NOW understand the meaning of my analysis? Even if you disagree with me? I just want to make sure you can MAKE SENSE of what I was saying.

2) Can you admit that my analysis follows a legitimate line of questioning? I'm asking because I want to make sure, even if you disagree with it, that it isn't vacuous nonsense.

Please let me know once you've gotten this far

I believe this will be key to continuing our conversations

@TheSultanOfSlam

Maybe go back to the drawing board cam?

You make an argument against me and an argument agasint sbell and neither are all that great? Sbell tour apart your argument (that wasnt that good) and i could see how you miss read me beacuse tou have only played with me once but your argument i was able to tear apart so.. idk what else you want me to say? Like i said it seems like you are scrambling scum
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Sbell tearing it apart might be an overstatement but non the leas
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Maybe go back to the drawing board cam?

You make an argument against me and an argument agasint sbell and neither are all that great? Sbell tour apart your argument (that wasnt that good) and i could see how you miss read me beacuse tou have only played with me once but your argument i was able to tear apart so.. idk what else you want me to say? Like i said it seems like you are scrambling scum

You made two complaints:

1. You couldn't UNDERSTAND what my arguments were

2. You believed that my arguments were DRUNKEN NONSENSE

I would like you to retract these dismissive claims now that I have adequately responded to you in good faith

There is no point in continuing onto further debate with you if I don't believe you are capable of being genuine this game, or that your posts will always be in bad faith

Also to revisit your vote on Death you litterally say its a coin flip
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Well cam to be fair the drunken nonsese was from when i literally asked tou of you where drinking Nd not making any sense
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Let me do it for you:

YOU DON'T BELIEVE YOUR ORIGINAL ARGUMENTS FOR LAZILY KEEPING YOUR VOTE ON ME

How do I know this?

Because:

1) You were able to follow my arguments and you responded to them

2) Other players reading along found veracity to my analysis, and yourself included could see how I could have that point of view

I would like to continue debate the CONTENT of my analysis, but not before YOU can prove that you can be genuine and have a good faith conversation

Cam is so town it hurts. Don't agree with a lot of his assessment, but he is clearly town.
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Camarija posted...

Let me do it for you:

YOU DON'T BELIEVE YOUR ORIGINAL ARGUMENTS FOR LAZILY KEEPING YOUR VOTE ON ME

How do I know this?

Because:

1) You were able to follow my arguments and you responded to them

2) Other players reading along found veracity to my analysis, and yourself included could see how I could have that point of view

I would like to continue debate the CONTENT of my analysis, but not before YOU can prove that you can be genuine and have a good faith conversation

Let me put it this way im still on you for that bad vote in death. Im keeping my opinions open and still looking into other players so tell me something cam other then the 3 people ive mentioned sbell myself and death who is the most important person not in the 3 that you think is worth re reading and visiting their content more throughly
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Camarija posted...

Let me do it for you:

YOU DON'T BELIEVE YOUR ORIGINAL ARGUMENTS FOR LAZILY KEEPING YOUR VOTE ON ME

How do I know this?

Because:

1) You were able to follow my arguments and you responded to them

2) Other players reading along found veracity to my analysis, and yourself included could see how I could have that point of view

I would like to continue debate the CONTENT of my analysis, but not before YOU can prove that you can be genuine and have a good faith conversation

Let me put it this way im still on you for that bad vote in death. Im keeping my opinions open and still looking into other players so tell me something cam other then the 3 people ive mentioned sbell myself and death who is the most important person not in the 3 that you think is worth re reading and visiting their content more throughly

I need you to prove you can have a good faith conversation and be genuine

Retract your dismissive remarks about my content being "unable to understand" and "drunken nonsense"

Otherwise there is literally zero point in continuing conversation with you