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Jeff AKA Snoopy 05/13/19 4:30:27 PM #53:	Teaching to gender issues in K is a wonderful way to normalize a concept that is still aggressively fought against by ignorance. If you don't combat ignorance early it sets in. Again, no need to teach anything about the acts of sex, but gender versus sexual biology? Absolutely --- https://i.imgtc.com/oKFWxht.jpg https://imgur.com/GWG5c3r <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:921846542] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote>Teaching to gender issues in K is a wonderful way to normalize a concept that is still aggressively fought against by ignorance. If you don't combat ignorance early it sets in. Again, no need to teach anything about the acts of sex, but gender versus sexual biology? Absolutely</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 05/13/19 4:31:21 PM #54:	IMNOTRAGED posted... EverDownward posted... Save sex ed for puberty or later, honestly. That's too late. Education should start before hand so that kids know what to expect. Trying to shield them from "inappropriate material" that they have easy access to anyway much of the time doesn't benefit anyone. But this kind of information should honestly be discussed in detail with the parents. Yes, I know nobody's perfect and I agree there should be some minimal amount of intervention from the educators - but it shouldn't be entirely up to the educators to tell kids everything. At that point, the state goes from being an instructor to being something of a nanny, a fit in for the parent - and that's not fair to the parents. Like, at no point am I going to be okay with telling a five year old what BDSM and kink in general is. That's not something little kids should be dealing with. --- "And you can't tell me what my spirit tells me isn't true, can you?" <cite>EverDownward posted [p:921846581] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>IMNOTRAGED posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote>Save sex ed for puberty or later, honestly.</quote> That's too late. Education should start before hand so that kids know what to expect. Trying to shield them from "inappropriate material" that they have easy access to anyway much of the time doesn't benefit anyone.</quote> But this kind of information should honestly be discussed in detail with the parents. Yes, I know nobody's perfect and I agree there should be some minimal amount of intervention from the educators - but it shouldn't be entirely up to the educators to tell kids everything. At that point, the state goes from being an instructor to being something of a nanny, a fit in for the parent - and that's not fair to the parents. Like, at no point am I going to be okay with telling a five year old what BDSM and kink in general is. That's not something little kids should be dealing with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 05/13/19 4:34:04 PM #56:	EverDownward posted... Like, at no point am I going to be okay with telling a five year old what BDSM and kink in general is. That's not something little kids should be dealing with. Which no one has suggested we do so. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:921846708] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote>Like, at no point am I going to be okay with telling a five year old what BDSM and kink in general is. That's not something little kids should be dealing with.</quote> Which no one has suggested we do so.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 05/13/19 4:34:30 PM #57:	Ghetto_Turtle posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Ghetto_Turtle posted... Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... Ghetto_Turtle posted... Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... As a teacher I would fucking LOVE it if they were responsible for stuff. My experiences have shown me they are not in lots of ways. Being a teacher in a lot of ways is parenting too now. It is shocking. I mean fair enough but we should most certainly NOT play into that. If you dont, a lot of kids will never be prepared for adulthood. As much of a cliche as it is, I love teaching and I want all my students to be better prepared for adulthood when they leave my class. If that includes having to teach them about proper hygiene and eating habits because their parents dont... Good on you but that it terrifying. And I have no issues with teaching them what they need to know but WHEN they "need" to know it. In general, its better to teach people things before they need to know it so that theyre prepared by the time they need to know it rather than having to guess the first time around. Knew there'd be one of these smartasses. Obviously I didn't mean teach them the day they should know it. Sure bud, insult me for being smarter than you --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:921846729] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote>As a teacher I would fucking LOVE it if they were responsible for stuff. My experiences have shown me they are not in lots of ways. Being a teacher in a lot of ways is parenting too now. It is shocking.</quote> I mean fair enough but we should most certainly NOT play into that.</quote> If you dont, a lot of kids will never be prepared for adulthood. As much of a cliche as it is, I love teaching and I want all my students to be better prepared for adulthood when they leave my class. If that includes having to teach them about proper hygiene and eating habits because their parents dont...</quote> Good on you but that it terrifying. And I have no issues with teaching them what they need to know but WHEN they "need" to know it.</quote> In general, its better to teach people things before they need to know it so that theyre prepared by the time they need to know it rather than having to guess the first time around.</quote> Knew there'd be one of these smartasses. Obviously I didn't mean teach them the day they should know it.</quote> Sure bud, insult me for being smarter than you </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ghetto_Turtle 05/13/19 4:35:33 PM #58:	King_Hellebuyck posted... Sure bud, insult me for being smarter than you Don't be a smartass then? :) <cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted [p:921846772] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>Sure bud, insult me for being smarter than you </quote> Don't be a smartass then? :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 05/13/19 4:35:47 PM #59:	EverDownward Like, at no point am I going to be okay with telling a five year old what BDSM and kink in general is. That's not something little kids should be dealing with. I dont think anyone would argue differently. Again, sex ed isnt just about sexual positions and whatnot. Sex Ed is also the differences between a penis and a vagina, that a boy and a girl are needed to create a baby, and now the fact that gender and sexual biology are different things. --- https://i.imgtc.com/oKFWxht.jpg https://imgur.com/GWG5c3r <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:921846780] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>EverDownward</cite><quote> Like, at no point am I going to be okay with telling a five year old what BDSM and kink in general is. That's not something little kids should be dealing with.</quote> I dont think anyone would argue differently. Again, sex ed isnt just about sexual positions and whatnot. Sex Ed is also the differences between a penis and a vagina, that a boy and a girl are needed to create a baby, and now the fact that gender and sexual biology are different things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 05/13/19 4:35:57 PM #60:	Tmaster148 posted... EverDownward posted... Like, at no point am I going to be okay with telling a five year old what BDSM and kink in general is. That's not something little kids should be dealing with. Which no one has suggested we do so. Okay, but then you have, in this very thread, kids that are coming up and asking a guy here what a 'blowjob' and 't*****' are. So it's a thing that's happening, that shouldn't be happening. --- "And you can't tell me what my spirit tells me isn't true, can you?" <cite>EverDownward posted [p:921846785] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote>Like, at no point am I going to be okay with telling a five year old what BDSM and kink in general is. That's not something little kids should be dealing with.</quote> Which no one has suggested we do so.</quote> Okay, but then you have, in this very thread, kids that are coming up and asking a guy here what a 'blowjob' and 't*****' are. So it's a thing that's happening, that shouldn't be happening.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sir Will 05/13/19 4:37:14 PM #61:	EverDownward posted... But this kind of information should honestly be discussed in detail with the parents. No. It shouldn't. Nor should they be able to opt out. It should be taught as any other subject is taught. EverDownward posted... Like, at no point am I going to be okay with telling a five year old what BDSM and kink in general is. That's not something little kids should be dealing with. Holy shit you..... --- River Song: Well, I was off to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I thought 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think i'll kill the Fuhrer' <cite>Sir Will posted [p:921846840] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote>But this kind of information should honestly be discussed in detail with the parents.</quote> No. It shouldn't. Nor should they be able to opt out. It should be taught as any other subject is taught. <cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote>Like, at no point am I going to be okay with telling a five year old what BDSM and kink in general is. That's not something little kids should be dealing with.</quote> Holy shit you.....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wetterdew 05/13/19 4:38:40 PM #62:	Ghetto_Turtle posted... So parents are just off the hook now? Shit pop em out and just let em go with as much responsibility is being expected from parents these days. I don't see why you are so insistent that parents teach their kids about sex instead of teachers. Even if I agree with you that parents should bear the responsibility of teaching children about sex, they don't. So it is on teachers to do it. "But we shouldn't play into that!!!" Until you prove why parents NEED to be the ones to teach their kids about sex, I don't see why we shouldn't. There's no harm in sex education in school. Moreover, even the parents who are willing to tell their kids about sex are often bad at it. --- Touch fuzzy get dizzy. <cite>Wetterdew posted [p:921846910] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote>So parents are just off the hook now? Shit pop em out and just let em go with as much responsibility is being expected from parents these days.</quote> I don't see why you are so insistent that parents teach their kids about sex instead of teachers. Even if I agree with you that parents should bear the responsibility of teaching children about sex, they don't. So it is on teachers to do it. "But we shouldn't play into that!!!" Until you prove why parents NEED to be the ones to teach their kids about sex, I don't see why we shouldn't. There's no harm in sex education in school. Moreover, even the parents who are willing to tell their kids about sex are often bad at it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 05/13/19 4:38:59 PM #63:	Ghetto_Turtle posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Sure bud, insult me for being smarter than you Don't be a smartass then? :) You could try talking like youre an adult and actually understanding that waiting until you think its appropriate is just waiting until its too late. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:921846921] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>Sure bud, insult me for being smarter than you </quote> Don't be a smartass then? :)</quote> You could try talking like youre an adult and actually understanding that waiting until you think its appropriate is just waiting until its too late.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 05/13/19 4:39:12 PM #64:	EverDownward posted... Tmaster148 posted... EverDownward posted... Like, at no point am I going to be okay with telling a five year old what BDSM and kink in general is. That's not something little kids should be dealing with. Which no one has suggested we do so. Okay, but then you have, in this very thread, kids that are coming up and asking him what a 'blowjob' and 't*****' are. So it's a thing that's happening, that shouldn't be happening. Unless you suggest locking up children in their rooms with no tv or internet until they are "old enough". You can't really avoid young children learning about these things from somewhere else. A part of teaching children or being a parent is going to be answering awkward questions. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:921846930] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote>Like, at no point am I going to be okay with telling a five year old what BDSM and kink in general is. That's not something little kids should be dealing with.</quote> Which no one has suggested we do so.</quote> Okay, but then you have, in this very thread, kids that are coming up and asking him what a 'blowjob' and 't*****' are. So it's a thing that's happening, that shouldn't be happening.</quote> Unless you suggest locking up children in their rooms with no tv or internet until they are "old enough". You can't really avoid young children learning about these things from somewhere else. A part of teaching children or being a parent is going to be answering awkward questions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 05/13/19 4:39:18 PM #65:	Sir Will posted... No. It shouldn't. Nor should they be able to opt out. It should be taught as any other subject is taught. Yes, the parents absolutely should be involved. I think a decent compromise is the school board alerting the parents via some sort of PTA meeting and telling them "hey, we need to come together to discuss what's okay to tell the kids because this kind of information is readily available online and it's a joint effort on both of our parts to keep our kids safe, but also appropriately informed." I think some kind of middle ground like that would be most effective. Sir Will posted... Holy shit you..... What, what's the issue with that? --- "And you can't tell me what my spirit tells me isn't true, can you?" <cite>EverDownward posted [p:921846933] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sir Will posted...</cite> <quote>No. It shouldn't. Nor should they be able to opt out. It should be taught as any other subject is taught.</quote> Yes, the parents absolutely should be involved. I think a decent compromise is the school board alerting the parents via some sort of PTA meeting and telling them "hey, we need to come together to discuss what's okay to tell the kids because this kind of information is readily available online and it's a joint effort on both of our parts to keep our kids safe, but also appropriately informed." I think some kind of middle ground like that would be most effective. <cite>Sir Will posted...</cite> <quote>Holy shit you.....</quote> What, what's the issue with that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ghetto_Turtle 05/13/19 4:40:35 PM #66:	Wetterdew posted... Ghetto_Turtle posted... So parents are just off the hook now? Shit pop em out and just let em go with as much responsibility is being expected from parents these days. I don't see why you are so insistent that parents teach their kids about sex instead of teachers. Even if I agree with you that parents should bear the responsibility of teaching children about sex, they don't. So it is on teachers to do it. "But we shouldn't play into that!!!" Until you prove why parents NEED to be the ones to teach their kids about sex, I don't see why we shouldn't. There's no harm in sex education in school. Moreover, even the parents who are willing to tell their kids about sex are often bad at it. Parents 100% should play a large part in teaching their kids about sex. Never said they should be the only ones or that Sex ed shouldn't be a thing. Where do you come up with a response like that? lmao <cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted [p:921846991] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>Wetterdew posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote>So parents are just off the hook now? Shit pop em out and just let em go with as much responsibility is being expected from parents these days.</quote> I don't see why you are so insistent that parents teach their kids about sex instead of teachers. Even if I agree with you that parents should bear the responsibility of teaching children about sex, they don't. So it is on teachers to do it. "But we shouldn't play into that!!!" Until you prove why parents NEED to be the ones to teach their kids about sex, I don't see why we shouldn't. There's no harm in sex education in school. Moreover, even the parents who are willing to tell their kids about sex are often bad at it.</quote> Parents 100% should play a large part in teaching their kids about sex. Never said they should be the only ones or that Sex ed shouldn't be a thing. Where do you come up with a response like that? lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 05/13/19 4:41:17 PM #67:	I hope they introduce a critical thinking and reading curriculum for kindergarteners, too. --- FFXIV: Herzog Erislieb (Cactaur) \| RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/Fish/Cook/Fletch/Div <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:921847031] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote>I hope they introduce a critical thinking and reading curriculum for kindergarteners, too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ghetto_Turtle 05/13/19 4:41:20 PM #68:	King_Hellebuyck posted... Ghetto_Turtle posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Sure bud, insult me for being smarter than you Don't be a smartass then? :) You could try talking like youre an adult and actually understanding that waiting until you think its appropriate is just waiting until its too late. <cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted [p:921847034] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>Sure bud, insult me for being smarter than you </quote> Don't be a smartass then? :)</quote> You could try talking like youre an adult and actually understanding that waiting until you think its appropriate is just waiting until its too late.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Banjo2553 05/13/19 4:41:33 PM #69:	King_Hellebuyck posted... No one ever gets mad that we want teachers to teach kids math. Now tell me, whats going to be more important in a person's life? Math or sex? Math so they can have a better job to sustain their life than just minimum wage work. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>Banjo2553 posted [p:921847044] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>No one ever gets mad that we want teachers to teach kids math. Now tell me, whats going to be more important in a person's life? Math or sex?</quote> Math so they can have a better job to sustain their life than just minimum wage work.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 05/13/19 4:42:43 PM #70:	Tmaster148 posted... Unless you suggest locking up children in their rooms with no tv or internet until they are "old enough". You can't really avoid young children learning about these things from somewhere else. A part of teaching children or being a parent is going to be answering awkward questions. Which is why I suggested what I suggested in a follow up post. I do think it should be a joint effort between the educators and the parents. That way, you've got trusted adults on both sides in a collaborative effort helping inform the kids in a way that is conducive to their growing and still keeping them just out of the edge of what's considered possibly too much for little kids. Don't get me wrong, I was slurring like a sailor by the third grade. I'm not adverse to naughty things, and I get kids will, inevitably, find out sooner or later from either total strangers online, classmates, or even parents. But I'd rather it be the parents and the teachers telling them - just not at such an early age. I think 11 to 13 is a decent enough age. --- "And you can't tell me what my spirit tells me isn't true, can you?" <cite>EverDownward posted [p:921847093] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>Unless you suggest locking up children in their rooms with no tv or internet until they are "old enough". You can't really avoid young children learning about these things from somewhere else. A part of teaching children or being a parent is going to be answering awkward questions.</quote> Which is why I suggested what I suggested in a follow up post. I do think it should be a joint effort between the educators and the parents. That way, you've got trusted adults on both sides in a collaborative effort helping inform the kids in a way that is conducive to their growing and still keeping them just out of the edge of what's considered possibly too much for little kids. Don't get me wrong, I was slurring like a sailor by the third grade. I'm not adverse to naughty things, and I get kids will, inevitably, find out sooner or later from either total strangers online, classmates, or even parents. But I'd rather it be the parents and the teachers telling them - just not at such an early age. I think 11 to 13 is a decent enough age.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sir Will 05/13/19 4:43:20 PM #71:	EverDownward posted... What, what's the issue with that? You've been told numerous times why that statement was idiotic. EverDownward posted... I think a decent compromise is the school board alerting the parents via some sort of PTA meeting and telling them "hey, we need to come together to discuss what's okay to tell the kids because this kind of information is readily available online and it's a joint effort on both of our parts to keep our kids safe, but also appropriately informed." No. They can teach what they want at home. Schools have the responsibility to teach them the facts. Not give in to religious parents who want to shield their kids from the truth, which they can't actually do only allow them to learn it elsewhere. --- River Song: Well, I was off to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I thought 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think i'll kill the Fuhrer' <cite>Sir Will posted [p:921847115] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote>What, what's the issue with that?</quote> You've been told numerous times why that statement was idiotic. <cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote> I think a decent compromise is the school board alerting the parents via some sort of PTA meeting and telling them "hey, we need to come together to discuss what's okay to tell the kids because this kind of information is readily available online and it's a joint effort on both of our parts to keep our kids safe, but also appropriately informed."</quote> No. They can teach what they want at home. Schools have the responsibility to teach them the facts. Not give in to religious parents who want to shield their kids from the truth, which they can't actually do only allow them to learn it elsewhere.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Samurontai 05/13/19 4:44:01 PM #72:	The only people that are against this, are those that believe being gay is a choice So their opinion should matter as much as antivaxxers opinions do in regards to medicine. Not at all --- https://imgur.com/Scl5rwX https://imgur.com/Fjgt7Qq https://imgur.com/NidhAni https://imgur.com/IGIbQPk <cite>Samurontai posted [p:921847137] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote>The only people that are against this, are those that believe being gay is a choice So their opinion should matter as much as antivaxxers opinions do in regards to medicine. Not at all</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 05/13/19 4:47:04 PM #73:	Sir Will posted... You've been told numerous times why that statement was idiotic. No, it's just you. You're the only one that's held such fiery indignation at the thought that someone might be against telling five year olds some really adult appropriate things. At least others have had the courtesy to treat me as a human for having dissenting opinions from them. Sir Will posted... No. They can teach what they want at home. Schools have the responsibility to teach them the facts. Not give in to religious parents who want to shield their kids from the truth, which they can't actually do only allow them to learn it elsewhere. You seem like the type of person that thinks it's totally okay for the instructor to tell the children everything, and be some sort of psuedo-parental substitute, and I'll never be okay with that. The parents shouldn't be left off the hook, and the parents should be held to some sort of accountability. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a joint effort from instructors and parents coming together to help form a child's psyche. --- "And you can't tell me what my spirit tells me isn't true, can you?" <cite>EverDownward posted [p:921847273] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sir Will posted...</cite> <quote>You've been told numerous times why that statement was idiotic.</quote> No, it's just you. You're the only one that's held such fiery indignation at the thought that someone might be against telling five year olds some really adult appropriate things. At least others have had the courtesy to treat me as a human for having dissenting opinions from them. <cite>Sir Will posted...</cite> <quote>No. They can teach what they want at home. Schools have the responsibility to teach them the facts. Not give in to religious parents who want to shield their kids from the truth, which they can't actually do only allow them to learn it elsewhere.</quote> You seem like the type of person that thinks it's totally okay for the instructor to tell the children everything, and be some sort of psuedo-parental substitute, and I'll never be okay with that. The parents shouldn't be left off the hook, and the parents should be held to some sort of accountability. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a joint effort from instructors and parents coming together to help form a child's psyche.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 05/13/19 4:47:31 PM #74:	Teaching kids at 11-13 about sex is likely too late since that puberty age. You don't need to give details about to have sex to a 5 year old but teaching them the concept of consent, that it's okay to be gay/trans at a young age is certainly helpful. It seems to me more that you want to try to keep children "pure" while also reconginzing it's an impossible task. So instead of trying to fight an uphill battle you might as well address their questions earlier so they don't decide to learn about blowjobs else where because trusted adults refuse to answer their question. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:921847295] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote>Teaching kids at 11-13 about sex is likely too late since that puberty age. You don't need to give details about to have sex to a 5 year old but teaching them the concept of consent, that it's okay to be gay/trans at a young age is certainly helpful. It seems to me more that you want to try to keep children "pure" while also reconginzing it's an impossible task. So instead of trying to fight an uphill battle you might as well address their questions earlier so they don't decide to learn about blowjobs else where because trusted adults refuse to answer their question.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 05/13/19 4:47:49 PM #75:	Samurontai posted... The only people that are against this, are those that believe being gay is a choice Yeah, no. I'm bisexual and was in a relationship with a transwoman for years. --- "And you can't tell me what my spirit tells me isn't true, can you?" <cite>EverDownward posted [p:921847312] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>Samurontai posted...</cite> <quote>The only people that are against this, are those that believe being gay is a choice</quote> Yeah, no. I'm bisexual and was in a relationship with a transwoman for years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 05/13/19 4:49:11 PM #76:	EverDownward posted... Samurontai posted... The only people that are against this, are those that believe being gay is a choice Yeah, no. I'm bisexual and was in a relationship with a transwoman for years. So what is the issue with teaching children at 5 about gender? --- https://i.imgtc.com/oKFWxht.jpg https://imgur.com/GWG5c3r <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:921847378] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Samurontai posted...</cite> <quote>The only people that are against this, are those that believe being gay is a choice</quote> Yeah, no. I'm bisexual and was in a relationship with a transwoman for years.</quote> So what is the issue with teaching children at 5 about gender?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 05/13/19 4:50:07 PM #77:	Ghetto_Turtle posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Ghetto_Turtle posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Sure bud, insult me for being smarter than you Don't be a smartass then? :) You could try talking like youre an adult and actually understanding that waiting until you think its appropriate is just waiting until its too late. Yes I get it, youre just going to keep flaming because you cant defend your actual point. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:921847419] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>Sure bud, insult me for being smarter than you </quote> Don't be a smartass then? :)</quote> You could try talking like youre an adult and actually understanding that waiting until you think its appropriate is just waiting until its too late.</quote></quote> Yes I get it, youre just going to keep flaming because you cant defend your actual point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 05/13/19 4:51:46 PM #78:	Tmaster148 posted... It seems to me more that you want to try to keep children "pure" while also reconginzing it's an impossible task. Maybe, but I'd rather try than just let them perhaps unintentionally fall into some shady shit that could have been prevented with the appropriate restraint from trusted adults. I think there's a legitimate slippery slope in just telling kids everything that goes on in the adult world. At what point is it okay for the parent to step in and say "there should be limits" if we're telling kids things that arguably should be saved for when they're older. That's what I'm saying. At that point, there really isn't much of a limit because then the kids might think they understand entirely and won't seek help or advice when they'd arguably absolutely need it. --- "And you can't tell me what my spirit tells me isn't true, can you?" <cite>EverDownward posted [p:921847488] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote> It seems to me more that you want to try to keep children "pure" while also reconginzing it's an impossible task.</quote> Maybe, but I'd rather try than just let them perhaps unintentionally fall into some shady shit that could have been prevented with the appropriate restraint from trusted adults. I think there's a legitimate slippery slope in just telling kids everything that goes on in the adult world. At what point is it okay for the parent to step in and say "there should be limits" if we're telling kids things that arguably should be saved for when they're older. That's what I'm saying. At that point, there really isn't much of a limit because then the kids might think they understand entirely and won't seek help or advice when they'd arguably absolutely need it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ghetto_Turtle 05/13/19 4:52:12 PM #79:	King_Hellebuyck posted... Ghetto_Turtle posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Ghetto_Turtle posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Sure bud, insult me for being smarter than you Don't be a smartass then? :) You could try talking like youre an adult and actually understanding that waiting until you think its appropriate is just waiting until its too late. Yes I get it, youre just going to keep flaming because you cant defend your actual point. There's nothing to defend. You assumed something incorrectly and paid for it. The interaction has come to a close. :) <cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted [p:921847500] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>Sure bud, insult me for being smarter than you </quote> Don't be a smartass then? :)</quote> You could try talking like youre an adult and actually understanding that waiting until you think its appropriate is just waiting until its too late.</quote></quote> Yes I get it, youre just going to keep flaming because you cant defend your actual point.</quote> There's nothing to defend. You assumed something incorrectly and paid for it. The interaction has come to a close. :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 05/13/19 4:52:22 PM #80:	Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... EverDownward posted... Samurontai posted... The only people that are against this, are those that believe being gay is a choice Yeah, no. I'm bisexual and was in a relationship with a transwoman for years. So what is the issue with teaching children at 5 about gender? I just think it's too young. That's it, honestly. I'm all for like 11-13. --- "And you can't tell me what my spirit tells me isn't true, can you?" <cite>EverDownward posted [p:921847508] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Samurontai posted...</cite> <quote>The only people that are against this, are those that believe being gay is a choice</quote> Yeah, no. I'm bisexual and was in a relationship with a transwoman for years.</quote> So what is the issue with teaching children at 5 about gender?</quote> I just think it's too young. That's it, honestly. I'm all for like 11-13.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 05/13/19 4:53:27 PM #81:	EverDownward posted... Tmaster148 posted... It seems to me more that you want to try to keep children "pure" while also reconginzing it's an impossible task. Maybe, but I'd rather try than just let them perhaps unintentionally fall into some shady shit that could have been prevented with the appropriate restraint from trusted adults. I think there's a legitimate slippery slope in just telling kids everything that goes on in the adult world. At what point is it okay for the parent to step in and say "there should be limits" if we're telling kids things that arguably should be saved for when they're older. That's what I'm saying. At that point, there really isn't much of a limit because then the kids might think they understand entirely and won't seek help or advice when they'd arguably absolutely need it. If you tell a child they are too young to know something or that it is inappropriate, it makes them more inclined to look it up. Again, do you want kids looking up transgender rights from Fox News, or do you want it taught to them in a classroom by people whose job it is to teach? --- https://i.imgtc.com/oKFWxht.jpg https://imgur.com/GWG5c3r <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:921847551] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote> It seems to me more that you want to try to keep children "pure" while also reconginzing it's an impossible task.</quote> Maybe, but I'd rather try than just let them perhaps unintentionally fall into some shady shit that could have been prevented with the appropriate restraint from trusted adults. I think there's a legitimate slippery slope in just telling kids everything that goes on in the adult world. At what point is it okay for the parent to step in and say "there should be limits" if we're telling kids things that arguably should be saved for when they're older. That's what I'm saying. At that point, there really isn't much of a limit because then the kids might think they understand entirely and won't seek help or advice when they'd arguably absolutely need it.</quote> If you tell a child they are too young to know something or that it is inappropriate, it makes them more inclined to look it up. Again, do you want kids looking up transgender rights from Fox News, or do you want it taught to them in a classroom by people whose job it is to teach?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 05/13/19 4:54:43 PM #82:	EverDownward posted... Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... EverDownward posted... Samurontai posted... The only people that are against this, are those that believe being gay is a choice Yeah, no. I'm bisexual and was in a relationship with a transwoman for years. So what is the issue with teaching children at 5 about gender? I just think it's too young. That's it, honestly. I'm all for like 11-13. By that point they've had an entire life filled with basically gender duality as the norm, and now you're fighting not only to educate, but to also remove years and years of institutionalized gender binaries. --- https://i.imgtc.com/oKFWxht.jpg https://imgur.com/GWG5c3r <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:921847605] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Samurontai posted...</cite> <quote>The only people that are against this, are those that believe being gay is a choice</quote> Yeah, no. I'm bisexual and was in a relationship with a transwoman for years.</quote> So what is the issue with teaching children at 5 about gender?</quote> I just think it's too young. That's it, honestly. I'm all for like 11-13.</quote> By that point they've had an entire life filled with basically gender duality as the norm, and now you're fighting not only to educate, but to also remove years and years of institutionalized gender binaries.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 05/13/19 4:55:12 PM #83:	Ghetto_Turtle posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Ghetto_Turtle posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Ghetto_Turtle posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Sure bud, insult me for being smarter than you Don't be a smartass then? :) You could try talking like youre an adult and actually understanding that waiting until you think its appropriate is just waiting until its too late. Yes I get it, youre just going to keep flaming because you cant defend your actual point. There's nothing to defend. You assumed something incorrectly and paid for it. The interaction has come to a close. :) Alright, have fun trolling --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:921847614] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>Sure bud, insult me for being smarter than you </quote> Don't be a smartass then? :)</quote> You could try talking like youre an adult and actually understanding that waiting until you think its appropriate is just waiting until its too late.</quote></quote> Yes I get it, youre just going to keep flaming because you cant defend your actual point.</quote> There's nothing to defend. You assumed something incorrectly and paid for it. The interaction has come to a close. :)</quote> Alright, have fun trolling</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ghetto_Turtle 05/13/19 4:55:55 PM #84:	King_Hellebuyck posted... Ghetto_Turtle posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Ghetto_Turtle posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Ghetto_Turtle posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Sure bud, insult me for being smarter than you Don't be a smartass then? :) You could try talking like youre an adult and actually understanding that waiting until you think its appropriate is just waiting until its too late. Yes I get it, youre just going to keep flaming because you cant defend your actual point. There's nothing to defend. You assumed something incorrectly and paid for it. The interaction has come to a close. :) Alright, have fun trolling Lol you're one of those eh? Noted. <cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted [p:921847643] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>Sure bud, insult me for being smarter than you </quote> Don't be a smartass then? :)</quote> You could try talking like youre an adult and actually understanding that waiting until you think its appropriate is just waiting until its too late.</quote></quote> Yes I get it, youre just going to keep flaming because you cant defend your actual point.</quote> There's nothing to defend. You assumed something incorrectly and paid for it. The interaction has come to a close. :)</quote> Alright, have fun trolling</quote> Lol you're one of those eh? Noted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 05/13/19 4:57:23 PM #85:	CarrieChan posted... Kindergarten is way too early. For what, specifically? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>Machete posted [p:921847698] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>CarrieChan posted...</cite> <quote>Kindergarten is way too early.</quote> For what, specifically?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 05/13/19 5:03:24 PM #86:	Machete posted... For what, specifically? idk, probably explaining how fucking works and putting ideas in their heads about whether they're gay, straight, pan, trans, nb, or whatever your spoon pulls out of your alphabet soup. Parents have a right to talk about this when they want to. Children have a right to come to their own conclusions as they live and grow, not be backed into a corner and think, "wow maybe i'm really a girl" because some state funded class put the idea there prematurely. <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:921847916] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>Machete posted...</cite> <quote>For what, specifically?</quote> idk, probably explaining how fucking works and putting ideas in their heads about whether they're gay, straight, pan, trans, nb, or whatever your spoon pulls out of your alphabet soup. Parents have a right to talk about this when they want to. Children have a right to come to their own conclusions as they live and grow, not be backed into a corner and think, "wow maybe i'm really a girl" because some state funded class put the idea there prematurely.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 05/13/19 5:05:43 PM #87:	viewmaster_pi posted... Machete posted... For what, specifically? idk, probably explaining how fucking works and putting ideas in their heads about whether they're gay, straight, pan, trans, nb, or whatever your spoon pulls out of your alphabet soup. Parents have a right to talk about this when they want to. Children have a right to come to their own conclusions as they live and grow, not be backed into a corner and think, "wow maybe i'm really a girl" because some state funded class put the idea there prematurely. It wouldn't be about putting any ideas in their head. It is about describing gender as different from biological sex. --- https://i.imgtc.com/oKFWxht.jpg https://imgur.com/GWG5c3r <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:921848007] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>viewmaster_pi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Machete posted...</cite> <quote>For what, specifically?</quote> idk, probably explaining how fucking works and putting ideas in their heads about whether they're gay, straight, pan, trans, nb, or whatever your spoon pulls out of your alphabet soup. Parents have a right to talk about this when they want to. Children have a right to come to their own conclusions as they live and grow, not be backed into a corner and think, "wow maybe i'm really a girl" because some state funded class put the idea there prematurely.</quote> It wouldn't be about putting any ideas in their head. It is about describing gender as different from biological sex.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wetterdew 05/13/19 5:10:17 PM #88:	Ghetto_Turtle posted... Wetterdew posted... Ghetto_Turtle posted... So parents are just off the hook now? Shit pop em out and just let em go with as much responsibility is being expected from parents these days. I don't see why you are so insistent that parents teach their kids about sex instead of teachers. Even if I agree with you that parents should bear the responsibility of teaching children about sex, they don't. So it is on teachers to do it. "But we shouldn't play into that!!!" Until you prove why parents NEED to be the ones to teach their kids about sex, I don't see why we shouldn't. There's no harm in sex education in school. Moreover, even the parents who are willing to tell their kids about sex are often bad at it. Parents 100% should play a large part in teaching their kids about sex. Never said they should be the only ones or that Sex ed shouldn't be a thing. Where do you come up with a response like that? lmao OK then why are you complaining about this being taught in school. --- Touch fuzzy get dizzy. <cite>Wetterdew posted [p:921848177] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Wetterdew posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote>So parents are just off the hook now? Shit pop em out and just let em go with as much responsibility is being expected from parents these days.</quote> I don't see why you are so insistent that parents teach their kids about sex instead of teachers. Even if I agree with you that parents should bear the responsibility of teaching children about sex, they don't. So it is on teachers to do it. "But we shouldn't play into that!!!" Until you prove why parents NEED to be the ones to teach their kids about sex, I don't see why we shouldn't. There's no harm in sex education in school. Moreover, even the parents who are willing to tell their kids about sex are often bad at it.</quote> Parents 100% should play a large part in teaching their kids about sex. Never said they should be the only ones or that Sex ed shouldn't be a thing. Where do you come up with a response like that? lmao</quote> OK then why are you complaining about this being taught in school.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ghetto_Turtle 05/13/19 5:12:24 PM #89:	@Wetterdew Where did I do that? I said kindergarten. Reading helps. <cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted [p:921848260] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote>@Wetterdew Where did I do that? I said kindergarten. Reading helps.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lygo 05/13/19 5:12:43 PM #90:	Bah. There's nothing innocent about children anyway. <cite>Lygo posted [p:921848273] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote>Bah. There's nothing innocent about children anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sir Will 05/13/19 5:15:42 PM #91:	EverDownward posted... No, it's just you. You're the only one that's held such fiery indignation at the thought that someone might be against telling five year olds some really adult appropriate things. I'm not the one spouting idiocy of teachers teaching such things to 5 year olds. That's not what this is. That's not what would be taught to that age group. EverDownward posted... he parents shouldn't be left off the hook, and the parents should be held to some sort of accountability. What does that even mean? Those would imply there are consequences to parents being shitty and not teaching stuff. There aren't and the rest of what you say makes it seem like that's ok because that's their prerogative. The only ones losing here are the kids. Which is where the school comes in, to teach them the facts and about respecting their peers. EverDownward posted... I just think it's too young. That's it, honestly. I'm all for like 11-13. Well, you're wrong. You know some trans people start feeling different extremely early? That some kids will come to school as their non-biological gender and that some kids might have questions? Again, there wouldn't be a lot of depth at only 5. That kind of stuff scales up and is added to as they get older. --- River Song: Well, I was off to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I thought 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think i'll kill the Fuhrer' <cite>Sir Will posted [p:921848386] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote>No, it's just you. You're the only one that's held such fiery indignation at the thought that someone might be against telling five year olds some really adult appropriate things.</quote> I'm not the one spouting idiocy of teachers teaching such things to 5 year olds. That's not what this is. That's not what would be taught to that age group. <cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote>he parents shouldn't be left off the hook, and the parents should be held to some sort of accountability. </quote> What does that even mean? Those would imply there are consequences to parents being shitty and not teaching stuff. There aren't and the rest of what you say makes it seem like that's ok because that's their prerogative. The only ones losing here are the kids. Which is where the school comes in, to teach them the facts and about respecting their peers. <cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote>I just think it's too young. That's it, honestly. I'm all for like 11-13.</quote> Well, you're wrong. You know some trans people start feeling different extremely early? That some kids will come to school as their non-biological gender and that some kids might have questions? Again, there wouldn't be a lot of depth at only 5. That kind of stuff scales up and is added to as they get older.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 05/13/19 5:23:24 PM #92:	viewmaster_pi posted... Machete posted... For what, specifically? idk, probably explaining how fucking works and putting ideas in their heads about whether they're gay, straight, pan, trans, nb, or whatever your spoon pulls out of your alphabet soup. Parents have a right to talk about this when they want to. Children have a right to come to their own conclusions as they live and grow, not be backed into a corner and think, "wow maybe i'm really a girl" because some state funded class put the idea there prematurely. That wasn't a general question. I was specifically asking CarrieChan. Sorry. I didn't indicate that initially :/ --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>Machete posted [p:921848698] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>viewmaster_pi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Machete posted...</cite> <quote>For what, specifically?</quote> idk, probably explaining how fucking works and putting ideas in their heads about whether they're gay, straight, pan, trans, nb, or whatever your spoon pulls out of your alphabet soup. Parents have a right to talk about this when they want to. Children have a right to come to their own conclusions as they live and grow, not be backed into a corner and think, "wow maybe i'm really a girl" because some state funded class put the idea there prematurely.</quote> That wasn't a general question. I was specifically asking CarrieChan. Sorry. I didn't indicate that initially :/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wetterdew 05/13/19 5:28:01 PM #93:	Ghetto_Turtle posted... @Wetterdew Where did I do that? You said it here: Ghetto_Turtle posted... Sex ed in kindergarten? Are parents no longer a thing? This is out of control. PERSONAL FUCKING RESPONSIBILITY so why do you have a problem with that. --- Touch fuzzy get dizzy. <cite>Wetterdew posted [p:921848874] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote>@Wetterdew Where did I do that?</quote> You said it here: <cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote>Sex ed in kindergarten? Are parents no longer a thing? This is out of control. <cite>PERSONAL FUCKING RESPONSIBILITY</cite></quote> so why do you have a problem with that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 05/13/19 5:34:26 PM #95:	Ghetto_Turtle posted... Are you serious lmfao Try reading the first sentence genius. Are you just incapable of defending the things you say so you just insult everyone? --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:921849127] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote>Are you serious lmfao Try reading the first sentence genius.</quote> Are you just incapable of defending the things you say so you just insult everyone?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ghetto_Turtle 05/13/19 5:35:14 PM #96:	King_Hellebuyck posted... Ghetto_Turtle posted... Are you serious lmfao Try reading the first sentence genius. Are you just incapable of defending the things you say so you just insult everyone? I defend whats necessary if you cant cypher out why that doesnt need defending then youre far beyond help. <cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted [p:921849155] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote>Are you serious lmfao Try reading the first sentence genius.</quote> Are you just incapable of defending the things you say so you just insult everyone?</quote> I defend whats necessary if you cant cypher out why that doesnt need defending then youre far beyond help.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 05/13/19 5:37:28 PM #97:	Ghetto_Turtle posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Ghetto_Turtle posted... Are you serious lmfao Try reading the first sentence genius. Are you just incapable of defending the things you say so you just insult everyone? I defend whats necessary if you cant cypher out why that doesnt need defending then youre far beyond help. So no, you just insult everyone Makes sense, people like you rarely have any actual defense for the shit you say so you really gotta rely on the insults --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:921849244] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote>Are you serious lmfao Try reading the first sentence genius.</quote> Are you just incapable of defending the things you say so you just insult everyone?</quote> I defend whats necessary if you cant cypher out why that doesnt need defending then youre far beyond help.</quote> So no, you just insult everyone Makes sense, people like you rarely have any actual defense for the shit you say so you really gotta rely on the insults</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blade-wolf 05/13/19 5:39:52 PM #98:	Gotta get them started on the propaganda early California is becoming a miniaturized version of Australia --- hustler <cite>Blade-wolf posted [p:921849338] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote>Gotta get them started on the propaganda early California is becoming a miniaturized version of Australia</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ghetto_Turtle 05/13/19 5:49:57 PM #99:	King_Hellebuyck posted... Ghetto_Turtle posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Ghetto_Turtle posted... Are you serious lmfao Try reading the first sentence genius. Are you just incapable of defending the things you say so you just insult everyone? I defend whats necessary if you cant cypher out why that doesnt need defending then youre far beyond help. So no, you just insult everyone Makes sense, people like you rarely have any actual defense for the shit you say so you really gotta rely on the insults <cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted [p:921849693] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote>Are you serious lmfao Try reading the first sentence genius.</quote> Are you just incapable of defending the things you say so you just insult everyone?</quote> I defend whats necessary if you cant cypher out why that doesnt need defending then youre far beyond help.</quote> So no, you just insult everyone Makes sense, people like you rarely have any actual defense for the shit you say so you really gotta rely on the insults</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 05/13/19 5:57:53 PM #101:	Ghetto_Turtle posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Ghetto_Turtle posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Ghetto_Turtle posted... Are you serious lmfao Try reading the first sentence genius. Are you just incapable of defending the things you say so you just insult everyone? I defend whats necessary if you cant cypher out why that doesnt need defending then youre far beyond help. So no, you just insult everyone Makes sense, people like you rarely have any actual defense for the shit you say so you really gotta rely on the insults Yes we know that you cant defend your points --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:921849991] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted...</cite> <quote>Are you serious lmfao Try reading the first sentence genius.</quote> Are you just incapable of defending the things you say so you just insult everyone?</quote> I defend whats necessary if you cant cypher out why that doesnt need defending then youre far beyond help.</quote> So no, you just insult everyone Makes sense, people like you rarely have any actual defense for the shit you say so you really gotta rely on the insults</quote></quote> Yes we know that you cant defend your points</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ghetto_Turtle 05/13/19 6:00:34 PM #102:	If you cant understand words <cite>Ghetto_Turtle posted [p:921850109] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote>If you cant understand words </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
garan 05/13/19 6:06:29 PM #103:	EverDownward posted... Save sex ed for puberty or later, honestly. I'm all for teaching the minds at an appropriate age about the different sexes and genders, but Kindergarten is way too young. This x1000% <cite>garan posted [p:921850314] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote><cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote>Save sex ed for puberty or later, honestly. I'm all for teaching the minds at an appropriate age about the different sexes and genders, but Kindergarten is way too young.</quote> This x1000%</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Illuminoius 05/13/19 6:06:29 PM #104:	lgbtq+ awareness is very good to learn about at this age sex ed though? i don't think that's at all age-appropriate <cite>Illuminoius posted [p:921850315] in Controvers... [t:77712556]...</cite> <quote>lgbtq+ awareness is very good to learn about at this age sex ed though? i don't think that's at all age-appropriate</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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