Current Events > Should paid leave be mandatory?

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No, but you should be able to take unpaid if needed.
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Mandatory?

Ehh, Im wary of forcing people to do things. Maybe it would help some people, but its bound to be abused or weaponized in some way. I think we should let adults decide for themselves.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Mandatory?

Ehh, Im wary of forcing people to do things. Maybe it would help some people, but its bound to be abused or weaponized in some way. I think we should let adults decide for themselves.

Lack of paid leave would be apt to be weaponized more.
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The23rdMagus posted...

Lack of paid leave would be apt to be weaponized more.

Yeah, maybe. Im not saying it wouldnt be. I dont want to force the issue either way. Let people decide for themselves.
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RoadsterUFO posted...

No, find another job that offers paid leave. Employers arent charity cases.

Delicious "GET A BETTER JOB" neckbeard logic.... EMPLOYEES are not charity cases and need reasonable benefits... if an employer is not willing to provide that the employer can do XY and Z themselves.
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nothing should be mandatory on the part of employers or the employees beyond what is defined by the contract
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SonicTH posted...

Delicious "GET A BETTER JOB" neckbeard logic.... EMPLOYEES are not charity cases and need reasonable benefits... if an employer is not willing to provide that the employer can do XY and Z themselves.

Yeah, but often times there is someone else out there who is willing to do the job. I dont think we should deny that person the opportunity to do it, just because the first employee was not satisfied with what the employer was offering.
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What kind of paid leave are we talking about here?
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In NZ people are given 4 weeks paid leave and are paid out what they don't use.
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LightningAce11 posted...

In NZ people are given 4 weeks paid leave and are paid out what they don't use.

Does that count as vacation or do employers offer above and beyond that?
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People can take unpaid leave as well and nobody bats an eye.
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What do you mean paid leave? Like paid days off for vacation, holidays, and a handful of days for where shit comes up?

Most good employers already do.
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TheMikh posted...

nothing should be mandatory on the part of employers or the employees beyond what is defined by the contract

and paid leave should be included as part of the contract
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26 employees getting a mandated two-week paid vacation means that 27th guy is unemployed.

8 weeks paid vacation should be mandatory too

cmiller4642 posted...

8 weeks paid vacation should be mandatory too

Then for every thirteen employees, there's two people unemployed.

Questionmarktarius posted...

cmiller4642 posted...

8 weeks paid vacation should be mandatory too

Then for every thirteen employees, there's two people unemployed.

Thats one less yacht in the fleet for the CEO

We could have stuff like this if we didnt have Republicans

LightningAce11 posted...

In NZ people are given 4 weeks paid leave and are paid out what they don't use.

Not quite true. You're only paid out in full if you quit / otherwise lose the job. Otherwise, you can only get one week's worth paid out, the rest must be taken as actual time off.
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I'm assuming NZ works the same as Australia.

You have different employment contracts. Permanent or temp/casual. Permanent is basically a full time position. You get an annual salary and you're entitled to paid sick and annual leave. You also need to give your employer notice when you decide to leave.

You can be hired as a casual or temp. Generally you get paid by the hour (or have a contract that lasts for a limited time). You have less benefits but you also have less commitments to the company.

I don't know why anyone would be against this.
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RoadsterUFO posted...

Employment is a two-way street. Employer offers a position of employment until someone is found that agrees to the terms and thus officially becomes an employee. It is no one's fault some loser works some dead end job. Employers pay employees based on the skill required of the employment position. You're entitled and owed nothing but the agreed upon terms. If all you're able to do is low minimal skill labor expect to be paid a low wage as you offer nothing out of the ordinary that thousands of other people can also fill.

You get a sticker.

Yes it should.

RoadsterUFO posted...

If it is a piece of legislation it still requires force and violence for it to be implemented at the hands of state goons with guns. People are under this impression that every business owner is some super high class Wall Street CEO that can be forced out of their pocketbook to provide every single handout/benefit they feel entitled to.

Wut?

It's equalizing the playing field between employees and employers. People have a right to a fair employment.

Do you think other countries don't have small businesses?
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I didn't say people had a right to employment. I said people have a right to a fair employment. Once you're employed your employer needs to follow the law when it comes to your employment.

Source on where employers are being forced with violence and aggression by the state in first world countries?
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So glad I don't live in America.

- 4 weeks paid vacation every year (which accrues so if I take 2 weeks in my first two years, I will have 6 weeks available after 2 years)
- Guaranteed 9.5% superannuation (401k) on top of my salary
- Universal healthcare
- No guns
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RoadsterUFO posted...

Darmik posted...

I didn't say people had a right to employment. I said people have a right to a fair employment. Once you're employed your employer needs to follow the law when it comes to your employment.

Source on where employers are being forced with violence and aggression by the state in first world countries?

Any and every country that has a government with any business related law. No one has a right to whatever you dub "fair employment" either. A business owner should be allowed to hire and fire whomever they please for whatever reason, and if they want to hire the broken English speaking hard working Mexican over the loser white socialist that demands all these benefits they should be allowed to do so.

They most certainly have this right in countries with good working conditions.

It doesn't matter who they employ. They have to follow the law when it comes to their employment.

I'm sure you would be a dude who would defend child labor back in the day.
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I don't really know. I feel like paid vacations are necessary, it's beneficial not only to employees but employers too when employees can take a break and return to work relaxed and focused. But, I don't feel like it's something that should be forced by the government, it should be something that good companies use to be competitive and attract employees.

RoadsterUFO posted...

Darmik posted...

RoadsterUFO posted...

If it is a piece of legislation it still requires force and violence for it to be implemented at the hands of state goons with guns. People are under this impression that every business owner is some super high class Wall Street CEO that can be forced out of their pocketbook to provide every single handout/benefit they feel entitled to.

Wut?

It's equalizing the playing field between employees and employers. People have a right to a fair employment.

Do you think other countries don't have small businesses?

There is no right to employment. Using words like "equalizing" doesn't make the monopoly that is a state using violence and aggression to force your desired piece of legislation suddenly just and noble.

Do you think businesses should be forced to pay minimum wage and follow environmental and safety regulations?
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I thought the idea of borrowing against your social security to take maternity/paternity leave was a clever idea but I think left of center folks didn't like it
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RoadsterUFO posted...

No, find another job that offers paid leave. Employers arent charity cases.

the kinds of ppl that have jobs without paid leave are typically the kinds of people that do not have a lot of options in the job market
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Romulox28 posted...

RoadsterUFO posted...

No, find another job that offers paid leave. Employers arent charity cases.

the kinds of ppl that have jobs without paid leave are typically the kinds of people that do not have a lot of options in the job market

The people who defend the employers are typically people who grew up going to Hilton Head with their parents and wear boating shoes at the frat house.