Current Events > If a racist stops and changes behavior, are they still a racist?

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darkphoenix181 12/18/18 4:22:46 PM #1:	Are they still racist? - Results (23 votes) Once a racist, always a racist 17.39% (4 votes) 4 If they truly changed, they no longer racist 52.17% (12 votes) 12 They are less racist but prob still a little racist 8.7% (2 votes) 2 Everyone is a little racist and they stopped being super racist 17.39% (4 votes) 4 Certain races are inherently racist and they are that race 4.35% (1 vote) 1 Omg this poll don't have the nice option I wanted! 0% (0 votes) 0 https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544861933/how-one-man-convinced-200-ku-klux-klan-members-to-give-up-their-robes For the past 30 years, Davis, a black man, has spent time befriending members of the Ku Klux Klan. He says once the friendship blossoms, the Klansmen realize that their hate may be misguided. Lets see 2 different extreme examples. 1. A guy says the n word. He apologizes and vows to never ever say it again. Is he still a racist? 2. A literal KKK man befriends a black man who convinces him that racism is stupid and evil and he gives up being KKK. Is he still racist? Can either man do anything to no longer be racist? Is it possible? --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:914347189] in If a racis... [t:77314409]...</cite> <quote> Are they still racist? - Results (23 votes) Once a racist, always a racist 17.39% (4 votes) 4 If they truly changed, they no longer racist 52.17% (12 votes) 12 They are less racist but prob still a little racist 8.7% (2 votes) 2 Everyone is a little racist and they stopped being super racist 17.39% (4 votes) 4 Certain races are inherently racist and they are that race 4.35% (1 vote) 1 Omg this poll don't have the nice option I wanted! 0% (0 votes) 0 https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544861933/how-one-man-convinced-200-ku-klux-klan-members-to-give-up-their-robes <quote> For the past 30 years, Davis, a black man, has spent time befriending members of the Ku Klux Klan. He says once the friendship blossoms, the Klansmen realize that their hate may be misguided.</quote> Lets see 2 different extreme examples. 1. A guy says the n word. He apologizes and vows to never ever say it again. Is he still a racist? 2. A literal KKK man befriends a black man who convinces him that racism is stupid and evil and he gives up being KKK. Is he still racist? Can either man do anything to no longer be racist? Is it possible?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thunder_54 12/18/18 4:23:46 PM #2:	They could be internally racist but act not racist. Closeted racists for example --- https://imgur.com/Mi1LkTl "It's all consensual" - Thunder <cite>Thunder_54 posted [p:914347246] in If a racis... [t:77314409]...</cite> <quote>They could be internally racist but act not racist. Closeted racists for example</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 12/18/18 4:25:57 PM #3:	Thunder_54 posted... They could be internally racist but act not racist. Closeted racists for example By that logic the whole world could be closeted racists who just act not racist, minus those who do indeed act it. So is your answer then, that inside these men are still racists, but just no longer act racist? Can they never stop being internally racist? --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:914347341] in If a racis... [t:77314409]...</cite> <quote><cite>Thunder_54 posted...</cite> <quote>They could be internally racist but act not racist. Closeted racists for example</quote> By that logic the whole world could be closeted racists who just act not racist, minus those who do indeed act it. So is your answer then, that inside these men are still racists, but just no longer act racist? Can they never stop being internally racist?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andel 12/18/18 4:27:57 PM #4:	nah, people can change as robert byrd showed us --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis <cite>andel posted [p:914347427] in If a racis... [t:77314409]...</cite> <quote>nah, people can change as robert byrd showed us</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdviceMan 12/18/18 4:29:04 PM #5:	If people couldn't change, societies couldn't change. --- "I'm not racist but, BLM sure did make me racist." -Skasa I'm just here to offer you advice, take it or leave it. <cite>AdviceMan posted [p:914347492] in If a racis... [t:77314409]...</cite> <quote>If people couldn't change, societies couldn't change.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/18/18 4:30:28 PM #6:	darkphoenix181 posted... Thunder_54 posted... They could be internally racist but act not racist. Closeted racists for example By that logic the whole world could be closeted racists who just act not racist, minus those who do indeed act it. So is your answer then, that inside these men are still racists, but just no longer act racist? Can they never stop being internally racist? I don't think it's possible for someone raised and socialized in society over the last 100 years to completely overcome internalized biases like that. it might be possible at some point in the distant future, but that's purely hypothetical. --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914347553] in If a racis... [t:77314409]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Thunder_54 posted...</cite> <quote>They could be internally racist but act not racist. Closeted racists for example</quote> By that logic the whole world could be closeted racists who just act not racist, minus those who do indeed act it. So is your answer then, that inside these men are still racists, but just no longer act racist? Can they never stop being internally racist?</quote> I don't think it's possible for someone raised and socialized in society over the last 100 years to completely overcome internalized biases like that. it might be possible at some point in the distant future, but that's purely hypothetical.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mareen 12/18/18 4:33:10 PM #7:	Not in my eyes they aren't. But I only hold such a view because I can't read people's minds and beliefs and such. If they seem earnest in their change and treat others well enough, then I really can't bill them as a racist. Not completely anyway. --- Awz od fiis <cite>Mareen posted [p:914347676] in If a racis... [t:77314409]...</cite> <quote>Not in my eyes they aren't. But I only hold such a view because I can't read people's minds and beliefs and such. If they seem earnest in their change and treat others well enough, then I really can't bill them as a racist. Not completely anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
catboy0_0 12/18/18 4:34:14 PM #8:	still a little racist, but tolerable --- I obviously like you at least a little to even talk to you -cornman one day I hope to post a message so great it ends up in someones sig -Two_Dee <cite>catboy0_0 posted [p:914347721] in If a racis... [t:77314409]...</cite> <quote>still a little racist, but tolerable</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/18/18 4:37:03 PM #9:	Mareen posted... Not in my eyes they aren't. But I only hold such a view because I can't read people's minds and beliefs and such. If they seem earnest in their change and treat others well enough, then I really can't bill them as a racist. Not completely anyway. I do think that, for the purpose of this conversation, there should be some distinction between "racist" (adjective) and "racist" (noun) the former refers to the societal system and the biases and values it imposes on the people who live in such a society; the latter refers to a person who embraces the values imposed on them by the system. someone can be racist (adjective) without being a racist (noun) --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914347855] in If a racis... [t:77314409]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mareen posted...</cite> <quote>Not in my eyes they aren't. But I only hold such a view because I can't read people's minds and beliefs and such. If they seem earnest in their change and treat others well enough, then I really can't bill them as a racist. Not completely anyway.</quote> I do think that, for the purpose of this conversation, there should be some distinction between "racist" (adjective) and "racist" (noun) the former refers to the societal system and the biases and values it imposes on the people who live in such a society; the latter refers to a person who embraces the values imposed on them by the system. someone can be racist (adjective) without being a racist (noun)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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