Current Events > If they remade Super Metroid, ala Zero Mission style, what would they fix?

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Or for a more modern flair, a remake in the vein of Samus Returns.

Besides some QOL improvements i can't think of too much.
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Just the length maybe. Throw in a few more stages or bosses
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Nothing to fix so they'd ruin it
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Wall jumps, hopefully. The timing feels so odd to me

Zero Mission is already basically Super Metroid in terms of gameplay.

They should remake Super Metroid as Samus Returns style.
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They would "fix" various sequence breaks and glitches (which would be a shame, as they're a big part of the game for many people, myself included). It's not really avoidable in some cases, as they're part of Super's engine.

As for what I'd want them to change/add:

- Better graphics obviously (my preference would be Fusion style pixel art, but they'd go with something more modern, which could also work)
- Show doors on the map
- Diagonal aiming without L/R, the ability to use missiles / super missiles / power bombs without toggling and whatever other control features the newer games have (maybe allow the old and new ways to please fans of both). Maybe an always run option
- An in-built randomizer and/or speedrun mode
- A little extra content
- Also, get rid of that last save point (or allow you to return)!

The only thing I can think of that needs to be improved on is the controls. There are too many buttons that do too little. Two separate buttons to aim up or down, a button to cancel weapon selection, a manual run button, for example.
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16:9 layout.

luigi13579 posted...

They would "fix" various sequence breaks and glitches (which would be a shame, as they're a big part of the game for many people, myself included). It's not really avoidable in some cases, as they're part of Super's engine.

MZM added a shitton of sequence breaks, to the point that there really isn't much of a sequence anymore, unless you strictly follow the guide-markers.

http://www.samus.co.uk/images/zero_mission/maps/mzm_sequence_map.png

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

Nothing to fix so they'd ruin it

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There is nothing they could fix that would justify them butchering something that made the game great

Metroid 1 and 2 had glaring flaws that justified the remakes. I would much rather a new game with Super Metroid quality be made than them retreading (and trampling) old ground on something thats so difficult to improve
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Questionmarktarius posted...

16:9 layout.

luigi13579 posted...

They would "fix" various sequence breaks and glitches (which would be a shame, as they're a big part of the game for many people, myself included). It's not really avoidable in some cases, as they're part of Super's engine.

MZM added a shitton of sequence breaks, to the point that there really isn't much of a sequence anymore, unless you strictly follow the guide-markers.

http://www.samus.co.uk/images/zero_mission/maps/mzm_sequence_map.png

MZM also added new parts to the map that weren't there before. Metroid didn't really have a sequence apart from you needed to beat both Kraid and Ridley before fighting Mother Brain.

There were small sequences like you needed morph ball to progress beyond the first few screens and bombs to access mostly everything else, but after that the game was pretty much open to you. A few paths became available by jumping on frozen enemies but those were generally optional places.
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

Nothing to fix so they'd ruin it

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Tyranthraxus posted...

MZM also added new parts to the map that weren't there before. Metroid didn't really have a sequence apart from you needed to beat both Kraid and Ridley before fighting Mother Brain.

There was a "sequence", just very vague, and mostly dependent on bombs.

MZM is a great example of rolling that sort of "find it your damn self" design theory into a modern "go here now" design.

One thing they'd certainly do to make it worse is add too much story. The quiet isolation is part of the reason the game has so much staying power imo

Just redraw all the sprites and tiles at 450%. That's all that needs done.
Maybe also refine the controls a bit.

This is probably the most unified I've seen CE on one topic
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Super Metroid is already close to perfect. Maybe some post-game content with Samus running around in her shorts.
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Zero Mission had the Zero Suit segment, so Super Metroid needs a... Super Suit segment
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They would make it so you had to save the animals.
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The fucky jump mechanics.
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Just smooth up the controls. I don't think they'd need to add parry or anything like that.
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I just want a Metroid Fusion remake in 3d like Other M without all the other crap.
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Gafemage posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

Nothing to fix so they'd ruin it

Make it more obvious that you need a Super Bomb to enter Madaria(sp?).
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A better map would be nice
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You don't fix perfection
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A Zero Mission-style remake wouldn't be a substantial enough change. It already looks 16-bit. If anything, Samus Returns would be what they'd realistically go for.
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I'd like for them to add:
- Free aim like in Samus Returns. Not sure about the whole parry system coming back, unless they make it more optional. (it kinda was, but it made the game harder if you didn't use it)
- Change the map system to show when items are acquired or not.
- Change the wall jump system to how it is in Metroid Zero Mission.
- A few added bosses. They don't have to be required, just surprise sub-bosses of the likes of that snake dragon thing or Crocomire.
- An added area or two, again to accomodate the new bosses and possibly new powerups.

Other than that it's kinda fine the way it is. I don't want them to change it and force a linear path, the fact you could sequence break it so hard and not break the game (so to speak) was amazing and I want to keep that. Also yeah, I'd want them to go for a 2.5D remake like Samus Returns. Needs to be on the Switch though so they can focus on much prettier environments.
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Wall Jumping is the only thing that needs fixing. Everything else is perfect.
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luigi13579 posted...

They would "fix" various sequence breaks and glitches (which would be a shame, as they're a big part of the game for many people, myself included). It's not really avoidable in some cases, as they're part of Super's engine.

As for what I'd want them to change/add:

- Better graphics obviously (my preference would be Fusion style pixel art, but they'd go with something more modern, which could also work)
- Show doors on the map
- Diagonal aiming without L/R, the ability to use missiles / super missiles / power bombs without toggling and whatever other control features the newer games have (maybe allow the old and new ways to please fans of both). Maybe an always run option
- An in-built randomizer and/or speedrun mode
- A little extra content
- Also, get rid of that last save point (or allow you to return)!

Nothing is wrong with the graphics. Super Metroid is as pretty as they come.
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Get a load of George Lucas over here.
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the waffler posted...

Wall jumps, hopefully. The timing feels so odd to me

this is pretty much the only thing to fix.

if they remade it then they'd probably add another area and some bosses to the game. maybe have it like zero mission where there's a whole new post game you play as zero suit.

it's a game that doesn't really need fixing so less is more unless it's just adding extra content to it without changing to much to the game. which is why i think a zero suit add on to the post game is the way to go.

I also agree with better wall jumping

ZM's wall jump was both optional and easier to pull off with good timing, SM's wall jumps is beyond wonky
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Jfc people, git gud.
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