Board 8 > Gauntlet Crew Ranks Planet of the Apes movies

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WickIebee posted...

I mean... again, they aren't meant to be write-ups. They're literally an attempt to take a Fallout 3 character and produce their dialogue in a way that makes it seem like they're literally part of the movie. Can you honestly disagree that anyone from my jokes were not as if they were part of the movie?

All 40 of your write-ups for the sci-fi project were parodies?

That explains so much!

Vengeful_KBM posted...

WickIebee posted...

I mean... again, they aren't meant to be write-ups. They're literally an attempt to take a Fallout 3 character and produce their dialogue in a way that makes it seem like they're literally part of the movie. Can you honestly disagree that anyone from my jokes were not as if they were part of the movie?

All 40 of your write-ups for the sci-fi project were parodies?

That explains so much!

Okay, that's mean, KBM.
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

It has more to do with the 40 rankings before this topic and the fact that your opinion ALWAYS seemed to relate either to Travis or to being a parent in some way or another. If it weren't for Wickle outdoing you in this I probably would've accused you of being fairly puritanical and/or reductive, but Wickle's writeups were actually worse in this regard (sans the parenting aspect).

I'm not trying to push you out or be mean, Wickle, but I do get a little irritated when you respond to what I said without even reading it.

I read it, I just somehow blocked out the subject of what list you meant... I'd apologize, but it's still singling out my list for opinions that I'm still not wrong about. There's a reason depression is at an all time high in our generation, and it can be progressed through what creates an ego and what is aiding these egos.
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WickIebee posted...

I read it, I just somehow blocked out the subject of what list you meant... I'd apologize, but it's still singling out my list for opinions that I'm still not wrong about. There's a reason depression is at an all time high in our generation, and it can be progressed through what creates an ego and what is aiding these egos.

Now I have no idea what you're talking about. First of all, I seem to remember stating multiple times that I have no issue with anyone liking or disliking a movie for any reason; that's totally your prerogative. I will repeat that I strongly disagree with some of your stronger "this should never be in a movie" opinions, because I very firmly believe that anything has potential to be dramatized if it's handled the right way. You're not wrong about your opinions (well, except that the Terminator 1 sex scene was unnecessary), but you also shouldn't take it so personally when people disagree with some of your more obscure, out-there opinions. It's not a personal attack when I think you're "wrong" about a movie, but you can't trash something and then not be able to take the same level of heat that you dish out when those of us who love that movie disagree with you.

I have no earthly clue what this has to do with depression and ego (both of which I have plenty of).

Vengeful_KBM posted...

I will repeat that I strongly disagree with some of your stronger "this should never be in a movie" opinions, because I very firmly believe that anything has potential to be dramatized if it's handled the right way.

Yeah, I've actually posted in Discord that I'm making it official that if I'm ever going to try and make that comment again, I'm going to redo the write-up. After Terminator and Ex Machina, one was fought for and I was thoroughly defeated in the argument, the other Prof pointed it out and I well... flipped the chessboard over, looked at my write-up, saw that stupid phrasing of "this isn't necessary" again and just realized I'm sick of it.

The other part you can ignore, if you don't know what I'm chaining to, that's fine and doesn't need to become an argument in this topic.
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WickIebee posted...

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Wickle's writeups were actually worse in this regard

That said, Stifled, what you wrote for Travis's write-up in Conquest directly correlates that you let him distract you throughout the movie, so honestly, don't even try to defend yourself.

What I said was neither of us liked it, so we played Pokmon while we watched. I didnt say anything about flat out ignoring it. Just that we needed something else going on to get through it.

Also wow whats with the hostility?
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scarletspeed7 posted...

I'm not saying it's as drastic of a change as some others are suggesting, but I think that people watching a movie with other people definitely are affected by it. Charon and Genny always seem to be affected by each other in their write-ups. How much? I think Charon has the ability to bring Genny's impression of a movie down by his general indifference or dislike of a movie. For me, I saw that in the Moon ranking where she didn't say a single negative thing about the film and yet still ranked it at about the exact same placement of Charon. Is that bad? No. It's just the nature of things. If Travis said, "Father, I am moved by the plight of Mr. James" during 12 Monkeys, I think you would have maybe given the film an even higher placement because you might have just thought about it a bit more. And a couple of the more cognitive films where Travis is doing something else, I think you maybe didn't care for them AS much because, as a father, you are influenced by your child. I see it in other parents with young children too.

Like, does that change my opinion of your, erm, opinions? Not really. Your experience is different and valuable to me in the way that other peoples' write-ups are. I don't like to be as cynically critical as Karo is about movies because I enjoy happiness in my life and I want to find the value in a movie. But Karo's heavily critical nature is nice because there are times where I probably over-romanticize a movie. I love to put characters and films on pedestals because to me that makes the world a happier, grander place. Karo doesn't. So sometimes it's probably prudent for me to read someone pounding the dirt in anger.

I can get on board with this line of thinking. He definitely has an effect on my experience of watching a film. I have really good memories of doing all these projects with him, for both good and bad movies. He doesnt change my ranking order unless there was a tie, however. Goofy Movie won out over Jetsons for me due to his reactions, for example.

KBMs comments just confuse me because all of my writeups have two parts: my thoughts and Traviss reactions. Im guessing she only read the Travis section for each one because calling me a Puritan tells me theres no way she read my thoughts.
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StifledSilence posted...

KBMs comments just confuse me because all of my writeups have two parts: my thoughts and Traviss reactions. Im guessing she only read the Travis section for each one because calling me a Puritan tells me theres no way she read my thoughts.

Okay. Sure. Whatever.

Never mind the fact that I said I read all the write-ups EXCEPT for the Travis sections.

There's also a difference between "fairly puritanical and/or reductive" and a straight-up "Puritan"

I mean you also said I reference being a parent in my writeups and I dont...except for the Travis section. So yeah, you totally read them. Sure.

And splitting hairs on your terminology doesnt really help. I could say you are being fairly condescending to me and Wickle, but the fairly just masks the part where I called you condescending. The statement was made regardless.
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Then puritanical was the wrong word and I apologize for that. Not trying to condescend.

StifledSilence posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...
I'm not saying it's as drastic of a change as some others are suggesting, but I think that people watching a movie with other people definitely are affected by it. Charon and Genny always seem to be affected by each other in their write-ups. How much? I think Charon has the ability to bring Genny's impression of a movie down by his general indifference or dislike of a movie. For me, I saw that in the Moon ranking where she didn't say a single negative thing about the film and yet still ranked it at about the exact same placement of Charon. Is that bad? No. It's just the nature of things. If Travis said, "Father, I am moved by the plight of Mr. James" during 12 Monkeys, I think you would have maybe given the film an even higher placement because you might have just thought about it a bit more. And a couple of the more cognitive films where Travis is doing something else, I think you maybe didn't care for them AS much because, as a father, you are influenced by your child. I see it in other parents with young children too.

Like, does that change my opinion of your, erm, opinions? Not really. Your experience is different and valuable to me in the way that other peoples' write-ups are. I don't like to be as cynically critical as Karo is about movies because I enjoy happiness in my life and I want to find the value in a movie. But Karo's heavily critical nature is nice because there are times where I probably over-romanticize a movie. I love to put characters and films on pedestals because to me that makes the world a happier, grander place. Karo doesn't. So sometimes it's probably prudent for me to read someone pounding the dirt in anger.

I can get on board with this line of thinking. He definitely has an effect on my experience of watching a film. I have really good memories of doing all these projects with him, for both good and bad movies. He doesnt change my ranking order unless there was a tie, however. Goofy Movie won out over Jetsons for me due to his reactions, for example.

Like, I apologize if my wording was off, but I feel like I'm saying, or at least TRYING to say, exactly the same thing as Scar here, just maybe a little more brusquely (which, again, I apologize if my word choice offended). You can get on board with this line of thinking when it's him saying it but not when it's me?

Also, looking back over some of your write-ups it does look like I was misremembering somewhat. I still think it has more of an effect on your opinions than you're letting on, but all of your complaints about nudity and violence (and they do read as outright complaints) seem to in fact be contained to the Travis sections. My bad for misremembering that too. There were times when those comments irritated me but that's also probably part of why I stopped reading those parts of your write-ups.

Don't accuse me of not having read them, though. I did. My memory just isn't the best

It definitely did not come off that way. Scarlets post was more of a I see Traviss effect on you, but it has value and I am not accusing you of being 100% influenced by him. But yours was more I dont read the Travis parts. Your writeups are puritanical and reductive. You talk about being a parent all the time and the only reason your writeups arent the worst are because of Wickle. I mean like...can you see why I found what you said to be condescending? It feels like you dont value my opinions and skim/dont read my writeups because you dont like parents/kids.
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I think you're both just bad at writing posts towards one another and you should give each other a bit of grace on this one and chock it up to poor communication.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

I think you're both just bad at writing posts towards one another and you should give each other a bit of grace on this one and chock it up to poor communication.

I think were slowing talking this out and dont need someone telling us we suck at communicating because that is obvious at this point >_>
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StifledSilence posted...

I dont read the Travis parts. Your writeups are puritanical and reductive. You talk about being a parent all the time and the only reason your writeups arent the worst are because of Wickle.

Can... can you not see how even this is pointlessly reductive?

Vengeful_KBM posted...

StifledSilence posted...

I dont read the Travis parts. Your writeups are puritanical and reductive. You talk about being a parent all the time and the only reason your writeups arent the worst are because of Wickle.

Can... can you not see how even this is pointlessly reductive?

But you did say those things. You could not get through your post without being dismissive and insulting Wickle for seemingly no reason.
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StifledSilence posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

I think you're both just bad at writing posts towards one another and you should give each other a bit of grace on this one and chock it up to poor communication.

I think were slowing talking this out and dont need someone telling us we suck at communicating because that is obvious at this point >_>

I think you need to read posts imagining the other person has a smile because that's how that post was written.
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Fine. You can skim, cherry-pick, and split hairs on my wording in order to misconstrue my point all you want, be my guest. This conversation isn't going anywhere.

It was not my intention to insult anybody but you're pissing me off now and I need to take a break. I'm not super fond of kids, no, but that's nothing to do with yours, or with you personally, or with the idea of parenting in general. As I've said multiple times to Wickle, you are allowed to like or dislike a movie for whatever reason you want; that's the wonderful thing about subjective media. I never meant to imply anything else.

However, you must understand that when I read the write-ups, I read them as one write-up, regardless if there are multiple sections to that write-up. I'm literally autistic and my brain sometimes conflates information. As I already said, I thought more of the things you were saying were in the main body of your write-ups. There's no reason for this all to have become an Issue. Scarlet put it much more eloquently than I did, and clearly put more thought into his response than I did. Don't just accuse me of not having read something that I've told you multiple times I've read. There's no point to me lying about that, and I'm not.

scarletspeed7 posted...

StifledSilence posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

I think you're both just bad at writing posts towards one another and you should give each other a bit of grace on this one and chock it up to poor communication.

I think were slowing talking this out and dont need someone telling us we suck at communicating because that is obvious at this point >_>

I think you need to read posts imagining the other person has a smile because that's how that post was written.

I think you need to imagine all the people sharing all the world. Youuuuuuuu
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

Fine. You can skim, cherry-pick, and split hairs on my wording in order to misconstrue my point all you want, be my guest. This conversation isn't going anywhere.

It was not my intention to insult anybody but you're pissing me off now and I need to take a break. I'm not super fond of kids, no, but that's nothing to do with yours, or with you personally, or with the idea of parenting in general. As I've said multiple times to Wickle, you are allowed to like or dislike a movie for whatever reason you want; that's the wonderful thing about subjective media. I never meant to imply anything else.

However, you must understand that when I read the write-ups, I read them as one write-up, regardless if there are multiple sections to that write-up. I'm literally autistic and my brain sometimes conflates information. As I already said, I thought more of the things you were saying were in the main body of your write-ups. There's no reason for this all to have become an Issue. Scarlet put it much more eloquently than I did, and clearly put more thought into his response than I did. Don't just accuse me of not having read something that I've told you multiple times I've read. There's no point to me lying about that, and I'm not.

As I said, that was just what it felt like to me. Now that you have explained it, everything is fine. I was just trying to explain to you how I felt and the difference between yours and scarlets posts, since you asked. I wasnt looking for this to turn into an argument. I apologize if I made you mad.
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I'll get the final two up today.
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#2. War of the Planet of the Apes (2017)
Inviso- 1
KBM- 1
Johnbobb- 2
Scarlet- 2
Karo- 3
Stifled- 4
Wickle- 4
JONA- 5

"As a whole, I think the reboot trilogy was extremely good. I like the fact that the entire story is a complete narrative of the rise and eventual fall of Caesar. Anchoring the trilogy to that central character (done an extreme amount of justice by Andy Serkis) really did wonders for taking a campy, goofy movie from the late 60s and early 70s, and turning it into a genuinely quality film. War is the most ape-centric of the trilogy, and more than anything, this is all about Caesar the whole way through, without any subplots to bog down the story. And its an interesting concept. The apes are at war with the humans after the events of Dawn, and it gets so bad that Caesar needs to move his people to a new homeonly for his wife and son to get murdered by Woody Harrelson. From that point on, its pure rage on his part, going on a complete revenge mission right up until he gets captured at the halfway point of the movie, and everything changes.

Suddenly, we see the apes in a submissive position for the first time since early on in Rise, and theyre imprisoned and forced into slave labor for the humans. It turns out that the mutation that we know turned all humans mute in the original film first begins in War. And Harrelsons soldiers are under attack from their fellow humans because Harrelson decided to start executing anyone that turned mute, if only to stave off infection. So youve got war between apes and humans, war between humans and humans, and even some ape on ape conflict as Koba loyalists join the humans when it becomes clear that Caesar wont protect them. And all of this leads to a climactic battle where the apes escape captivity right as the good humans attack Harrelsons compound. Caesar gets mortally wounded, but he at least manages to lead his people to freedom, and its a solid ending to his character arc. His death allows him to transcend into legend. And its a solid end to the reboot franchise (though they could certainly continue on from here.)" ~Inviso

"War for the Planet of the Apes is a tremendously ambitious, powerful film that actually turned out to be one of my top 10 movies of 2017. Surprisingly subtle and introspective for a movie with the word war in the title, this borrows a lot of good ideas from previous films in the franchise and just does them all better. Andy Serkis continues to give a brilliant physical performance behind the mo-cap, and the fact that the apes greatly outnumber the humans in this movie works to its great advantage. Koba was a great character, so even if it's just in hallucinations it's nice to see Toby Kebbell make a return here. There are deaths in this movie that are genuinely devastating. The ending is cathartic and beautiful. By the end of this, I felt I'd been on an emotional journey comparable to one of the Lord of the Rings films. On the whole, this is not one of my favorite sci-fi series, as most of the time the Apes movies comes across too obvious with their message and themes but this one strikes just the right balance between the allegory and the premise. Time will tell, but in my eyes should go down in history as the one that managed to be just as good as, if not even better than, the original." ~KBM

"Man this is a nice way to end the trilogy. Andy Serkis honestly deserves an Oscar for his performance as Caesar through the entire series, but here especially. The film carries itself as an epic, going longer than any other film in the series but remaining engrossing the entire way through. Some humor, some tragedy, a lot of action and a surprising amount of moral uneasiness. Woody Harrelson makes the best human villain of the series (not that that's a particularly high bar), being scary and crazy and just the tiniest bit sympathetic." ~Johnbobb
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"War for the Planet of the Apes is an astonishing work of blockbuster entertainment. It concludes one of the rarest of trilogies, one in which each subsequent film is superior to the last and actually improves the quality of the previous film. Unable to prevent war with the humans, Caesar must embrace his skills as a tactician to ensure the survival of his people. The war has been long and filled with tragedy. Caesar must either learn from the sins of Koba, or he must embrace the spirit of vengeance against those that have done his people harm. In Caesar, Andy Serkis has his most iconic character. He has been given three films to develop him from infancy to adulthood, and its an accomplishment made possible only through motion capture artistry. The Serkis Trilogy (no other can claim such a hold) will go down as a significant moment in the history of filmmaking, and thankfully its one struck with remarkable story, character, heart, as well as a technical feat" ~Scarlet

"In the final movie of the prequel trilogy, the apes are hunted by the few human survivors of the plague, which by some odd twist of fate are mostly trained military personnel.
Anyway Caesar and his close friends go on a journey for reasons that honestly seem rather dumb, and all the other apes randomly get captured. The film then turns into monkey prison break, where our simian friends have to escape from a facility where the security is so inept that apes can crawl all around the outside of the base without being spotted, and a mentally disabled 8-year-old girl can walk right through the front gates unchallenged. Oh, and the virus that made the apes smart now makes humans dumb instead of killing them because that totally makes sense.
Compared to the previous movie, War has a stronger plot, a better villain, and a real conclusion. But hell if this is still not a shameless cash grab that doesnt really add a whole lot to the series." ~Karo

"So basically its Battle For the Planet of the Apes with Woody Harrelson, little girl Nova, and the rebellious general plot device taken care of in the previous movie. Now dont get me wrong, I enjoyed this a lot. But this is also a big problem with reboots and remakes. Its a fine line between not doing enough to differentiate yourself from the original and doing too much to distance your self from the original. War tries to walk that tightrope and falls into the copy side. Its a very good and pretty copy, mind you. The relationships between the apes are still deep and emotional. The fighting is still fun to watch. And Woody Harrelson is always a good addition. The only strike I can think of against this movie is I simply enjoyed Battle more.

Traviss Opinion: He was VERY interested in the fact that there were a bunch of talking apes on the screen. He kept asking if they were really monkeys. Like a lot." ~Stifled

"I place the good of the Vault above everything, even my own paternal feelings. We must not allow sentiment to cloud our judgment! Think a moment. If you really care about your fellow citizens, killing me is the worst thing you could do. A regrettable incident. But will killing me bring back your friend?" ~The Overseer

"An ok movie if you like waiting for the few good things to happen. Tallahassee has some great dialogue with Caesar and the action towards the end is actually good but other than that it's a whole bunch of nothing." ~JONA
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good
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#1. Planet of the Apes (1968)
JONA- 1
Karo- 1
Scarlet- 1
KBM- 2
Stifled- 2
Wickle- 3
Inviso- 4
Johnbobb- 4

"To find out my thoughts on the original movie, check out PlayOnline http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Gauntlet_Crew_Ranks_Science_Fiction_Films_I" ~JONA (Fun Fact: You actually can't read his thoughts yet, PotA isn't on it yet and the topic purged. Maybe when the holidays are over Scar will have the time to finish that.)

"A group of spacemen on a millennia-long space flight crashland on a planet where sentient monkeys subjugate a race of mute human beings. Soon many stinking paws of damn dirty apes are laid on our wayward travelers and the last survivor is left at the mercy of the fucked up simian civilization.
This role reversal of man and beast is used to highlight the many failings of human society. Everything from animal testing to racism to organized religion to the nature of man gets mocked brilliantly and without mercy.
Charlton Heston's over-the-top performance as the jaded captain of the space crew is a big highlight of the movie, the man is a veritable memorable quote machine throughout the film.
Despite the slow pacing, the movie is never without tension. There is always something propelling the story forward towards its horrifying revelation at the end.
It is interesting to note how the audience's perception of apes vs men changes as the movie go on, particularly how Dr. Zaius goes from being seen as an ignorant religious fanatic to a rather sad individual who just wants to protect his people. By the time Taylor is done screaming obscenities at the whole human race you will probably feel like the whole situation is for the best in regards to the planet." ~Karo

"There simply can be no other film at the top. Based on an unmemorable novel by Pierre Boulle, given the once-over by Rod Serling, and eventually adapted by screenwriter Michael Wilson, Planet of the Apes is definitely an adventure film, but one steered to a devastating condemnation of our own race towards death by Charlton Hestons egomaniacal Colonel Taylor. Stranded on a hazardous planet governed by religious zealotry, Heston attempts to confront their ignorance before resulting in brute force. Made memorable by its twist ending, if you have not actually seen the original film because youve been spoiled by one too many parody sketches, fear not! Like the best classics, there is a lot more to discover than its most talked about moments. You will revel in the assholery on display from Charlton Heston. The second his feet hit the earth, the astronaut is tearing into the idiocy of our society and excited to take down any threat to his own supremacy. This is all a careful construction to topple not only his self-image but our own. We are not worthy of our planet." ~Scarlet

"I watched this one an additional time just to watch the whole series at once. Im glad I did since the later installments reference this one a ton. Needless to say, I still loved it. Heston is great, multiple lines of dialog are iconic in film, the apes equally hateable and understandable, and its just a really good time overall. A+ would watch again.

Traviss Opinion: Last time, Travis enjoyed the first half hour of the movie before falling asleep. This time, he was the complete opposite. Travis was super hyper and ran around the house like a nut. I watched the movie with him and my grandparents. Travis tends to be more hyper around family and/or company." ~Stifled

"Hey daddy, are there monkeys on the screen?" ~Travis
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"Sort of like with Invasion of the Body Snatchers, the main clip I had seen from this prior to watching the full movie was, of course, the twist ending (though, it's hard to imagine the twist being a suprise, even if I hadn't known in advance). What surprised me was hpw it ended up there. I went in expecting a lone human space adventurer exploring a world taken over by talking apes. I DIDN'T expect a heavy examination on the division between religion and science and their place in government. The movie makes you root for a narcissistic jerk (who takes a primal woman as a trophy wife?) and I have to kind of commend it for that." ~Johnbobb

Inviso had a little thing where he wasn't going to spoil his thoughts on this movie, little does he know I didn't look at his rankings until I was done with the movies myself (which was long after PotA was ranked in the main project). KBM and I both did not submit actual write-ups for this movie due to the fact that I didn't require them since this was done on the main list.
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Well done all.
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Planet of the Apes is so good

Proper #1.
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Planet of the Apes is fine

honestly I thought the modern trilogy was pretty consistently better
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Oh cool. Good winner.
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What are the outlier final standings?
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Oh right, I'll get to work on that shortly.
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The Outlier war is over, many had their outlier rise, Stifled is the only one to hit 20, and only one person is below 10. I rose to second after my excellent start... Alas, our rankings just lead to this project being the Planet of KBM.

Stifled- 20
Wickle- 16
JONA- 14
Johnbobb- 14
Inviso- 12
Scarlet- 10
Karo- 10
KBM- 4
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Yayyy I finally won outlier! ya go my grape juice plus
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