Current Events > Ammon Bundy quits the militia movement cause Individual 1 hates the caravan.

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Ammon Bundy is best known as a leading light of the American militia movement (a motley coalition of various different flavors of firearms enthusiasts who hate the federal government). Hes famous for getting into armed standoffs with federal agents and violently occupying bird sanctuaries. His friends are the kind of folks who co-chair pro-Trump veterans groups; his father is the kind of man who says, I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro and proceeds to explain why black people were better off as slaves.
So, this being 2018, Bundy naturally just disavowed the militia movement in solidarity with the migrant caravan, suggested that nationalism is actually the opposite of patriotism, and said that Trumps America resembles nothing so much as 1930s Germany.

To group them all up like, frankly, our president has done you know, trying to speak respectfully but he has basically called them all criminals and said theyre not coming in here, Bundy observed. What about individuals, those who have come for reasons of need for their families, you know, the fathers and mothers and children that come here and were willing to go through the process to apply for asylum so they can come into this country and benefit from not having to be oppressed continually?
Bundy went on to observe that faith is the opposite of fear and that we have been asked by God to help, to be welcoming, to assist strangers, to not vex them. He also provided his viewers with a quick fact-check of the presidents claims that liberal billionaire George Soros had orchestrated the caravan, and that there were terrorists embedded among the migrants.
Bizarrely, the following that Bundy had amassed by threatening insurrectionary violence against Barack Obamas government did not take kindly to his call for solidarity with the oppressed of Central America.
Its like being in a room full of people in here, trying to teach, and no one is listening, Bundy told BuzzFeed Newsthis week. The vast majority seemed to hang on to what seemed like hate, and fear, and almost warmongering, and I dont want to associate myself with warmongers.
Thus, Bundy shut down his social-media accounts Tuesday, and announced that he was cutting ties with the patriot groups that had once rallied to the cause of helping his dad shirk over $1 million in grazing fees. Here are a few other words of wisdom Bundy dispensed during his interview with BuzzFeeds Salvador Hernandez:

I believe President Trump, the best way I could explain it, is that hes a nationalist, and a nationalist in my view makes the decision that best benefits the nation, not the individual, Bundy said. That is not freedom, and that is not what America was built upon.

The time we find ourselves in now that is closest found in history is Germany in the 1930s, and they had a leader that was loved, and it was the same kind of following, he said. I dont want to say there is that extreme similarity, but it very well could go that way, and people just give up their thinking, their rights, and they give up their government because they were so willing to follow him.

But no really, this is one interesting timeline.
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saw the word buzzfeed, decided not to read any of this
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Still confused about this guy not rotting in prison
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It is kind of weird that a movement who takes up arms against the government is upset that a guy is criticizing the government. >_>
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Wow. You don't see people this genuine very often, even if he is a nutter.

AlisLandale posted...

It is kind of weird that a movement who takes up arms against the government is upset that a guy is criticizing the government. >_>

Yeah, but you know that's just a front for white nationalism. Just this one guy was earnest and didn't realize everyone around him sucked.
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Rika_Furude posted...

saw the word buzzfeed, decided not to read any of this

Need mommy and daddy to read the rest for you?
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god damn it we're really in bizarro world...
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It gets funnier the more I think about it. It's like he's the one guy at a KKK rally who really believes it has nothing to do with race. I almost feel bad for him.
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there is not a big enough duh that human vocal cords can make for this
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monkmith posted...

god damn it we're really in bizarro world...

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This really shouldn't be surprising, as libertarians are generally in favor of open borders. By taking this stance, he's effectively coming out as a firm libertarian rather than alt-right.

I get that the liberal media loves to portray everyone who dissents as some kind of Trump-loving racist, but the reality is far more complicated.
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Okay, but his whole posse left him because he wasn't racist enough.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

firearms enthusiasts who hate the federal government

funny how they hate the government but the government is the one that let's them own firearms
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Guide posted...

Okay, but his whole posse left him because he wasn't racist enough.

They weren't libertarians. They joined the movement for the wrong reasons.

Heck, Cliven Bundy's arguments against the federal government back in the cattle grazing standoff some years back are actually the same types of arguments used by indigenous people who claim that governments are coming in and messing with land that their families have been using for generations, before the government had ever even come to those areas.
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What a confusing individual
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so this guy is an actual libertarian and not a nationalist who pretends to be a libertarian
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Sativa_Rose posted...

Guide posted...

Okay, but his whole posse left him because he wasn't racist enough.

They weren't libertarians. They joined the movement for the wrong reasons.

Heck, Cliven Bundy's arguments against the federal government back in the cattle grazing standoff some years back are actually the same types of arguments used by indigenous people who claim that governments are coming in and messing with land that their families have been using for generations, before the government had ever even come to those areas.

I agree with your assertion that people who are "true" Libertarians, as much as I disagree with them on plenty of political positions, are actually more in favor of an open borders policy. But the fact is a lot of these militia movements for the last 40 years or so have been a hot bed for far right wing nationalism, hence why you see plenty of their members go from being libertarian to ancap to fashy. And there's been plenty of cases of this over the years that I'd be happy to cite if needed.

If Ammon Bundy is actually a tried and true Libertarian with a consistent ideology, then that's great. But it doesn't shock me that the people who respond the best to that style of rhetoric tend to be those who would be staunch far right and, by proxy, Trump supporters.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

But the fact is a lot of these militia movements for the last 40 years or so have been a hot bed for far right wing nationalism, hence why you see plenty of their members go from being libertarian to ancap to fashy. And there's been plenty of cases of this over the years that I'd be happy to cite if needed.

If Ammon Bundy is actually a tried and true Libertarian with a consistent ideology, then that's great. But it doesn't shock me that the people who respond the best to that style of rhetoric tend to be those who would be staunch far right and, by proxy, Trump supporters.

Fair enough, I agree that many of these militia movements have attracted all kinds of white nationalists and other unsavory types. I just want to stick up for the ones who aren't that, because they exist too.
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ThyCorndog posted...

so this guy is an actual libertarian and not a nationalist who pretends to be a libertarian

@FLUFFYGERM
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A_Good_Boy posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

saw the word buzzfeed, decided not to read any of this

Need mommy and daddy to read the rest for you?

No just a legit source, but i appreciate your misplaced trolling effort.
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