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DarkRoast 12/03/18 3:29:39 PM #1:	There are several things that actually become much more complicated without EVs and items. First, the lack of EVs means that mixed attacking is now a viable strategy for certain Pokemon, a perfect example being mega Charizard X. This rather dramatically changes the kinds of movesets that are viable on certain Pokemon. it also means that Pokemon that previously had a not quite as high but still high alternative attack stat no longer have essentially wasted stat points. Because of this, there's really no downside to choosing a plus attack minus defense nature, instead of the stereotypical modest or adamant, or timid / jolly. Also, the lack of items creates a metagame where hyper offense doesn't really exist anymore. You're not going to lead with a Pokemon that can set up and sweep almost immediately. Most pokemon have enough HP and defenses to survive at least one hit. This almost reminds me of the way gen 1 played. It also means that faster Pokemon are always going to be faster than slower Pokemon, due to the lack of focus sash and EVs. This makes speed Pokemon more predictable, but also more useful. Dugtrio, Dodrio, See and Electrode are now a lot more important. Another strange side effect is that if you have multiple Pokemon that can theoretically mega evolve, you can choose which one to do it with on the fly. This also holds true for mega Charizard, who has two options. You can basically choose which one to do based on the situation you're in. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:913478723] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote>There are several things that actually become much more complicated without EVs and items. First, the lack of EVs means that mixed attacking is now a viable strategy for certain Pokemon, a perfect example being mega Charizard X. This rather dramatically changes the kinds of movesets that are viable on certain Pokemon. it also means that Pokemon that previously had a not quite as high but still high alternative attack stat no longer have essentially wasted stat points. Because of this, there's really no downside to choosing a plus attack minus defense nature, instead of the stereotypical modest or adamant, or timid / jolly. Also, the lack of items creates a metagame where hyper offense doesn't really exist anymore. You're not going to lead with a Pokemon that can set up and sweep almost immediately. Most pokemon have enough HP and defenses to survive at least one hit. This almost reminds me of the way gen 1 played. It also means that faster Pokemon are always going to be faster than slower Pokemon, due to the lack of focus sash and EVs. This makes speed Pokemon more predictable, but also more useful. Dugtrio, Dodrio, See and Electrode are now a lot more important. Another strange side effect is that if you have multiple Pokemon that can theoretically mega evolve, you can choose which one to do it with on the fly. This also holds true for mega Charizard, who has two options. You can basically choose which one to do based on the situation you're in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GallisOTK 12/03/18 3:34:15 PM #2:	So hyper-simplifying the battle system actually threw a wrench in it and shook things up? Sounds like fun. If Pokemon Showdown put in a format like this but included all of the Pokemon from gen 1-7, I'd be really interested in trying it. Not worth actually buying Let's Go for it though IMO. --- "WHAT THE HELL'S GOIN' ON OUT HERE!?" ~ Vince Lombardi https://imgtc.com/i/rGEHq8T.gif <cite>GallisOTK posted [p:913478985] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote>So hyper-simplifying the battle system actually threw a wrench in it and shook things up? Sounds like fun. If Pokemon Showdown put in a format like this but included all of the Pokemon from gen 1-7, I'd be really interested in trying it. Not worth actually buying Let's Go for it though IMO.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 12/03/18 3:36:19 PM #3:	DarkRoast posted... It also means that faster Pokemon are always going to be faster than slower Pokemon, due to the lack of focus sash and EVs. This makes speed Pokemon more predictable, but also more useful. Dugtrio, Dodrio, See and Electrode are now a lot more important. See? Seel? EPIC LIGHTSPEED SEEL?! <_< --- Meow! <cite>Panthera posted [p:913479099] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote> It also means that faster Pokemon are always going to be faster than slower Pokemon, due to the lack of focus sash and EVs. This makes speed Pokemon more predictable, but also more useful. Dugtrio, Dodrio, See and Electrode are now a lot more important.</quote> See? Seel? EPIC LIGHTSPEED SEEL?! <_<</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OwlRammer 12/03/18 3:37:59 PM #4:	DarkRoast posted... Another strange side effect is that if you have multiple Pokemon that can theoretically mega evolve, you can choose which one to do it with on the fly. This also holds true for mega Charizard, who has two options. You can basically choose which one to do based on the situation you're in. neat --- https://imgur.com/ji9KF3f https://imgur.com/p3G1Hvd http://puu.sh/ovZuS/97325c05b3.jpg http://puu.sh/ovZB2/eeee237f49.jpg <cite>OwlRammer posted [p:913479194] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote> Another strange side effect is that if you have multiple Pokemon that can theoretically mega evolve, you can choose which one to do it with on the fly. This also holds true for mega Charizard, who has two options. You can basically choose which one to do based on the situation you're in.</quote> neat</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prettyprincess 12/03/18 3:41:14 PM #5:	including stealth rock but no way to remove it was a bad move but otherwise I have fun with it --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? <cite>prettyprincess posted [p:913479333] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote>including stealth rock but no way to remove it was a bad move but otherwise I have fun with it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 12/03/18 3:44:09 PM #6:	I mean, mixed attackers have been a thing for a while --- [break the meta] https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:913479480] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote>I mean, mixed attackers have been a thing for a while</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alpha218 12/03/18 3:44:15 PM #7:	prettyprincess posted... including stealth rock but no way to remove it was a bad move but otherwise I have fun with it Rapid Spin is a gen 1 move but they left it out of the game so the most cancer move in Pokmon goes uncontested? Wtf Game Freak --- I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite user on the Citadel. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1349-mario Now Playing: Magic the Gathering: Arena <cite>Alpha218 posted [p:913479486] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote><cite>prettyprincess posted...</cite> <quote>including stealth rock but no way to remove it was a bad move but otherwise I have fun with it</quote> Rapid Spin is a gen 1 move but they left it out of the game so the most cancer move in Pokmon goes uncontested? Wtf Game Freak</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 12/03/18 3:44:39 PM #8:	But you can if you candy grind. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:913479506] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote>But you can if you candy grind.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 12/03/18 3:54:00 PM #9:	LightHawKnight posted... But you can if you candy grind. I believe you can turn off candy stat boosts for online battles. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:913480034] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>But you can if you candy grind.</quote> I believe you can turn off candy stat boosts for online battles.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 12/03/18 3:56:14 PM #10:	Alpha218 posted... prettyprincess posted... including stealth rock but no way to remove it was a bad move but otherwise I have fun with it Rapid Spin is a gen 1 move but they left it out of the game so the most cancer move in Pokmon goes uncontested? Wtf Game Freak I thought it was introduced in gen 2 --- Meow! <cite>Panthera posted [p:913480175] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote><cite>Alpha218 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>prettyprincess posted...</cite> <quote>including stealth rock but no way to remove it was a bad move but otherwise I have fun with it</quote> Rapid Spin is a gen 1 move but they left it out of the game so the most cancer move in Pokmon goes uncontested? Wtf Game Freak</quote> I thought it was introduced in gen 2</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkTransient 12/03/18 4:00:50 PM #11:	Sounds like it's not as badly nerfed as I had believed. Although still, the fact that I don't have (and don't plan to get) a Switch at the moment means I won't be playing it. I am open to getting one if it gets more good "exclusives" (in quotes because I'd include games that aren't exclusive but also aren't on any other system I have - although that'd pretty much mean "It's on Switch and XB1, but not PS4 or PC", which I don't think would happen very often), but so far, there isn't one convincing enough for me to get the system. --- https://imgtc.com/i/0mboxsZ.png <-- Tiamat is best babe, if you disagree you're objectively wrong. https://tinyurl.com/dtlamulana2 <-- La-Mulana 2 LP <cite>DarkTransient posted [p:913480462] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote>Sounds like it's not as badly nerfed as I had believed. Although still, the fact that I don't have (and don't plan to get) a Switch at the moment means I won't be playing it. I am open to getting one if it gets more good "exclusives" (in quotes because I'd include games that aren't exclusive but also aren't on any other system I have - although that'd pretty much mean "It's on Switch and XB1, but not PS4 or PC", which I don't think would happen very often), but so far, there isn't one convincing enough for me to get the system.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 12/03/18 4:02:55 PM #12:	Guide posted... I mean, mixed attackers have been a thing for a while Yes but they usually came with obvious and often quite limiting drawbacks. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:913480567] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote><cite>Guide posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, mixed attackers have been a thing for a while</quote> Yes but they usually came with obvious and often quite limiting drawbacks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 12/03/18 4:08:15 PM #13:	DarkTransient posted... Sounds like it's not as badly nerfed as I had believed. Although still, the fact that I don't have (and don't plan to get) a Switch at the moment means I won't be playing it. I am open to getting one if it gets more good "exclusives" (in quotes because I'd include games that aren't exclusive but also aren't on any other system I have - although that'd pretty much mean "It's on Switch and XB1, but not PS4 or PC", which I don't think would happen very often), but so far, there isn't one convincing enough for me to get the system. It really doesn't nerf the game at all. In some ways it actually makes the game a lot less cookie cutter. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:913480859] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkTransient posted...</cite> <quote>Sounds like it's not as badly nerfed as I had believed. Although still, the fact that I don't have (and don't plan to get) a Switch at the moment means I won't be playing it. I am open to getting one if it gets more good "exclusives" (in quotes because I'd include games that aren't exclusive but also aren't on any other system I have - although that'd pretty much mean "It's on Switch and XB1, but not PS4 or PC", which I don't think would happen very often), but so far, there isn't one convincing enough for me to get the system.</quote> It really doesn't nerf the game at all. In some ways it actually makes the game a lot less cookie cutter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alpha218 12/03/18 4:58:40 PM #14:	Panthera posted... Alpha218 posted... prettyprincess posted... including stealth rock but no way to remove it was a bad move but otherwise I have fun with it Rapid Spin is a gen 1 move but they left it out of the game so the most cancer move in Pokmon goes uncontested? Wtf Game Freak I thought it was introduced in gen 2 Yeah youre right. I associate it so much with Starmie that I thought it was gen 1 --- I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite user on the Citadel. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1349-mario Now Playing: Magic the Gathering: Arena <cite>Alpha218 posted [p:913483582] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote><cite>Panthera posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Alpha218 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>prettyprincess posted...</cite> <quote>including stealth rock but no way to remove it was a bad move but otherwise I have fun with it</quote> Rapid Spin is a gen 1 move but they left it out of the game so the most cancer move in Pokmon goes uncontested? Wtf Game Freak</quote> I thought it was introduced in gen 2</quote> Yeah youre right. I associate it so much with Starmie that I thought it was gen 1</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Makeveli_lives 12/03/18 5:08:25 PM #15:	prettyprincess posted... including stealth rock but no way to remove it was a bad move but otherwise I have fun with it There's only like 5 decent pokemon that can learn it though. --- Switch FC: SW-3917-4425-6106 PSN: PiKappaPhi769 <cite>Makeveli_lives posted [p:913484121] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote><cite>prettyprincess posted...</cite> <quote>including stealth rock but no way to remove it was a bad move but otherwise I have fun with it</quote> There's only like 5 decent pokemon that can learn it though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PokemonExpert44 12/03/18 5:28:38 PM #16:	The let's go games pwn so hard --- I might just 6-0 you in Pokemon. Watch out for my teams. <cite>PokemonExpert44 posted [p:913485204] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote>The let's go games pwn so hard</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prettyprincess 12/03/18 5:38:25 PM #17:	Makeveli_lives posted... prettyprincess posted... including stealth rock but no way to remove it was a bad move but otherwise I have fun with it There's only like 5 decent pokemon that can learn it though. there are enough strong pokes with it and the move itself is strong enough to not give players any reason to not run it I mean even just aero, rhydon, and the nidos having it makes it a given in nearly every match, and it totally shuts off pokes like charizard from being viable --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? <cite>prettyprincess posted [p:913485676] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote><cite>Makeveli_lives posted...</cite> <quote><cite>prettyprincess posted...</cite> <quote>including stealth rock but no way to remove it was a bad move but otherwise I have fun with it</quote> There's only like 5 decent pokemon that can learn it though.</quote> there are enough strong pokes with it and the move itself is strong enough to not give players any reason to not run it I mean even just aero, rhydon, and the nidos having it makes it a given in nearly every match, and it totally shuts off pokes like charizard from being viable</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Makeveli_lives 12/03/18 5:44:36 PM #18:	prettyprincess posted... I mean even just aero, rhydon, and the nidos having it makes it a given in nearly every match, and it totally shuts off pokes like charizard from being viable Megazard x can handle those just fine. --- Switch FC: SW-3917-4425-6106 PSN: PiKappaPhi769 <cite>Makeveli_lives posted [p:913485971] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote><cite>prettyprincess posted...</cite> <quote>I mean even just aero, rhydon, and the nidos having it makes it a given in nearly every match, and it totally shuts off pokes like charizard from being viable</quote> Megazard x can handle those just fine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alpha218 12/03/18 5:45:48 PM #19:	Makeveli_lives posted... prettyprincess posted... including stealth rock but no way to remove it was a bad move but otherwise I have fun with it There's only like 5 decent pokemon that can learn it though. So youre going to see those 5 on any serious team. Entry hazards are just that good, especially Stealth Rocks which punishes a lot of Pokmon due to the fact that Rock is SE against 4 types and only 3 resist it --- I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite user on the Citadel. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1349-mario Now Playing: Magic the Gathering: Arena <cite>Alpha218 posted [p:913486025] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote><cite>Makeveli_lives posted...</cite> <quote><cite>prettyprincess posted...</cite> <quote>including stealth rock but no way to remove it was a bad move but otherwise I have fun with it</quote> There's only like 5 decent pokemon that can learn it though.</quote> So youre going to see those 5 on any serious team. Entry hazards are just that good, especially Stealth Rocks which punishes a lot of Pokmon due to the fact that Rock is SE against 4 types and only 3 resist it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alpha218 12/03/18 5:47:18 PM #20:	Makeveli_lives posted... prettyprincess posted... I mean even just aero, rhydon, and the nidos having it makes it a given in nearly every match, and it totally shuts off pokes like charizard from being viable Megazard x can handle those just fine. Still takes x2 damage and has to be mega evolved to even have that. Otherwise its still 4x. When there is no way to remove rocks its beneficial to get them out ASAP because they tip the momentum in favor of who has them up --- I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite user on the Citadel. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1349-mario Now Playing: Magic the Gathering: Arena <cite>Alpha218 posted [p:913486091] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote><cite>Makeveli_lives posted...</cite> <quote><cite>prettyprincess posted...</cite> <quote>I mean even just aero, rhydon, and the nidos having it makes it a given in nearly every match, and it totally shuts off pokes like charizard from being viable</quote> Megazard x can handle those just fine.</quote> Still takes x2 damage and has to be mega evolved to even have that. Otherwise its still 4x. When there is no way to remove rocks its beneficial to get them out ASAP because they tip the momentum in favor of who has them up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prettyprincess 12/03/18 5:51:38 PM #21:	yeah you would realistically be starting with Zard to have him megad pre-rocks and even then you are still likely tanking rock slides from rhydon/aero or surf from nidoking really theres just no reason not to run and rush free damage on everything --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? <cite>prettyprincess posted [p:913486295] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote>yeah you would realistically be starting with Zard to have him megad pre-rocks and even then you are still likely tanking rock slides from rhydon/aero or surf from nidoking really theres just no reason not to run and rush free damage on everything</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kalavinka 12/03/18 5:54:07 PM #22:	GallisOTK posted... So hyper-simplifying the battle system actually threw a wrench in it and shook things up? Sounds like fun. If Pokemon Showdown put in a format like this but included all of the Pokemon from gen 1-7, I'd be really interested in trying it. Not worth actually buying Let's Go for it though IMO. It's literally Gen. 1 with the physical/special split. --- It is, as some admiral once said, a trap. 3DS: 2208 8847 9932 / PSN: UltimaSpark50 <cite>Kalavinka posted [p:913486431] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote><cite>GallisOTK posted...</cite> <quote>So hyper-simplifying the battle system actually threw a wrench in it and shook things up? Sounds like fun. If Pokemon Showdown put in a format like this but included all of the Pokemon from gen 1-7, I'd be really interested in trying it. Not worth actually buying Let's Go for it though IMO.</quote> It's literally Gen. 1 with the physical/special split.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tremain07 12/03/18 6:05:27 PM #23:	Mewtwo is broken as fuck in this game, --- IGN: Sun FC: 0061-0132-7564 <cite>tremain07 posted [p:913486953] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote>Mewtwo is broken as fuck in this game,</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Makeveli_lives 12/03/18 6:21:58 PM #24:	tremain07 posted... Mewtwo is broken as fuck in this game, As it should be. Wasn't until he mega evolved that he got the respect he once had early on. --- Switch FC: SW-3917-4425-6106 PSN: PiKappaPhi769 <cite>Makeveli_lives posted [p:913487805] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote>Mewtwo is broken as fuck in this game,</quote> As it should be. Wasn't until he mega evolved that he got the respect he once had early on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 12/03/18 6:37:58 PM #25:	Gen 1 Mewtwo w/ Amnesia is the single most broken Pokemon ever --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:913488645] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote>Gen 1 Mewtwo w/ Amnesia is the single most broken Pokemon ever</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prettyprincess 12/03/18 8:45:28 PM #26:	oh I also dont hate Melmetal from a design perspective but the inclusion here is just an absolute powerhouse --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? <cite>prettyprincess posted [p:913495819] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote>oh I also dont hate Melmetal from a design perspective but the inclusion here is just an absolute powerhouse</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 12/04/18 7:40:10 AM #27:	prettyprincess posted... oh I also dont hate Melmetal from a design perspective but the inclusion here is just an absolute powerhouse Yeah but to have him legitimately, you have to transfer him from Pokemon Go, and it takes 400 Meltan candies to get him. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:913516999] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote><cite>prettyprincess posted...</cite> <quote>oh I also dont hate Melmetal from a design perspective but the inclusion here is just an absolute powerhouse</quote> Yeah but to have him legitimately, you have to transfer him from Pokemon Go, and it takes 400 Meltan candies to get him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tremain07 12/04/18 9:40:18 AM #28:	It's signature move, Double Iron Bash, is a 120 BP move with a high chance of flinching, it's ability is Iron Fist but of course it's turned off for this game and it's got a 143 base attack so combine that with a nature like Adamant and it'd one shot most things.....if it were able to move first, it's speed is horrid at a 34 base and it's sp.def is no better at 64 base leaving it in danger of being one shotted by common moves like Aura Sphere, Flamethrower and Earth Power. --- IGN: Sun FC: 0061-0132-7564 <cite>tremain07 posted [p:913520535] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote>It's signature move, Double Iron Bash, is a 120 BP move with a high chance of flinching, it's ability is Iron Fist but of course it's turned off for this game and it's got a 143 base attack so combine that with a nature like Adamant and it'd one shot most things.....if it were able to move first, it's speed is horrid at a 34 base and it's sp.def is no better at 64 base leaving it in danger of being one shotted by common moves like Aura Sphere, Flamethrower and Earth Power.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alpha218 12/04/18 9:42:10 AM #29:	So what youre saying is, its a monster in Trick Room. Whether or not its legendary or mythic is important anyways because that determines if it can be used in VGC --- I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite user on the Citadel. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1349-mario Now Playing: Magic the Gathering: Arena <cite>Alpha218 posted [p:913520598] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote>So what youre saying is, its a monster in Trick Room. Whether or not its legendary or mythic is important anyways because that determines if it can be used in VGC</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 12/04/18 9:46:46 AM #30:	Mythics sometimes get a pass in VGC because their BST is 600, like the pseudo-legendaries. My 2014 Movie Victini absolutely decimated the first Sun/Moon online competition. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:913520769] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote>Mythics sometimes get a pass in VGC because their BST is 600, like the pseudo-legendaries. My 2014 Movie Victini absolutely decimated the first Sun/Moon online competition.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnragedSlith 12/04/18 9:47:54 AM #31:	The Stealth Rocks thing kind of sucks, but it does lead to some interesting decisions on what to lead with. You can lead with a stealth rocks setup, but someone throwing out a counter can give them a lot of momentum. Victreebell or Dugtrio, for instance. --- ultimate milf hunter https://imgur.com/lCEdce6 https://imgur.com/2N1Ezia https://imgur.com/ukJ6sPJ https://youtu.be/IDYaHvDiTr4 <cite>EnragedSlith posted [p:913520800] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote>The Stealth Rocks thing kind of sucks, but it does lead to some interesting decisions on what to lead with. You can lead with a stealth rocks setup, but someone throwing out a counter can give them a lot of momentum. Victreebell or Dugtrio, for instance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kirbymuncher 12/04/18 9:51:18 AM #32:	I was theorizing with some people about the let's go metagame the day it came out and honestly it doesn't sound super good. candies let everything bulk up to an extreme degree (like, look at chansey's stats) so everything's going to be super defensive. also stealth rock with no rapid spin sucks and psychic pokemon are just as strong as ever, though now at least there's a psychic immune pokemon unlike gen1 where there were none at all --- THIS IS WHAT I HATE A BOUT EVREY WEBSITE!! THERES SO MUCH PEOPLE READING AND POSTING STUIPED STUFF <cite>kirbymuncher posted [p:913520919] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote>I was theorizing with some people about the let's go metagame the day it came out and honestly it doesn't sound super good. candies let everything bulk up to an extreme degree (like, look at chansey's stats) so everything's going to be super defensive. also stealth rock with no rapid spin sucks and psychic pokemon are just as strong as ever, though now at least there's a psychic immune pokemon unlike gen1 where there were none at all</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 12/04/18 9:53:50 AM #33:	kirbymuncher posted... I was theorizing with some people about the let's go metagame the day it came out and honestly it doesn't sound super good. candies let everything bulk up to an extreme degree (like, look at chansey's stats) so everything's going to be super defensive. also stealth rock with no rapid spin sucks and psychic pokemon are just as strong as ever, though now at least there's a psychic immune pokemon unlike gen1 where there were none at all You can turn off candy boosts entirely And psychics are not overpowered. There are plenty of bug and dark type moves, unlike Gen 1. Venomoth decimates every psychic type. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:913521019] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote><cite>kirbymuncher posted...</cite> <quote>I was theorizing with some people about the let's go metagame the day it came out and honestly it doesn't sound super good. candies let everything bulk up to an extreme degree (like, look at chansey's stats) so everything's going to be super defensive. also stealth rock with no rapid spin sucks and psychic pokemon are just as strong as ever, though now at least there's a psychic immune pokemon unlike gen1 where there were none at all</quote> You can turn off candy boosts entirely And psychics are not overpowered. There are plenty of bug and dark type moves, unlike Gen 1. Venomoth decimates every psychic type.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kirbymuncher 12/04/18 10:01:13 AM #34:	venomoth cannot safely switch in on any psychic type at risk of being OHKO'd by psychic, and is outsped by a handful of them so can't even revenge kill well (starmie, jynx, alakazam). psychic's power here doesn't come from having no weaknesses, it comes from there not being a lot of pokemon that resist it turning off candies is good though will probably make things much more interesting --- THIS IS WHAT I HATE A BOUT EVREY WEBSITE!! THERES SO MUCH PEOPLE READING AND POSTING STUIPED STUFF <cite>kirbymuncher posted [p:913521279] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote>venomoth cannot safely switch in on any psychic type at risk of being OHKO'd by psychic, and is outsped by a handful of them so can't even revenge kill well (starmie, jynx, alakazam). psychic's power here doesn't come from having no weaknesses, it comes from there not being a lot of pokemon that resist it turning off candies is good though will probably make things much more interesting</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 12/04/18 10:02:10 AM #35:	Venomoth is basically the only Pokemon with Quiver Dance --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:913521313] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote>Venomoth is basically the only Pokemon with Quiver Dance</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prettyprincess 12/04/18 12:23:47 PM #36:	psychics are certainly the strongest by and large quiver danced venomoth and mega-beedrill are strong enough to win out in some circumstances, but they still take quite the hit from a number of psychic types --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? <cite>prettyprincess posted [p:913527822] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote>psychics are certainly the strongest by and large quiver danced venomoth and mega-beedrill are strong enough to win out in some circumstances, but they still take quite the hit from a number of psychic types</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 12/04/18 12:39:32 PM #37:	Mega Beedrill can be kind of a nightmare as a lead --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:913528588] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote>Mega Beedrill can be kind of a nightmare as a lead</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prettyprincess 12/04/18 12:45:47 PM #38:	I am mad that I got a shiny kakuna while chaining bulbasaur, so it has a shit nature and also because starting a bulb chain again is annoying --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? <cite>prettyprincess posted [p:913528901] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote>I am mad that I got a shiny kakuna while chaining bulbasaur, so it has a shit nature and also because starting a bulb chain again is annoying</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
codey 12/04/18 12:46:48 PM #39:	DarkRoast posted... prettyprincess posted... oh I also dont hate Melmetal from a design perspective but the inclusion here is just an absolute powerhouse Yeah but to have him legitimately, you have to transfer him from Pokemon Go, and it takes 400 Meltan candies to get him. Wait why is mwlmetal in the game? Not only is it gen 7 but it's steel as well --- *runs out of topic naked* <cite>codey posted [p:913528954] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote><cite>prettyprincess posted...</cite> <quote>oh I also dont hate Melmetal from a design perspective but the inclusion here is just an absolute powerhouse</quote> Yeah but to have him legitimately, you have to transfer him from Pokemon Go, and it takes 400 Meltan candies to get him.</quote> Wait why is mwlmetal in the game? Not only is it gen 7 but it's steel as well</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tremain07 12/04/18 1:20:46 PM #40:	Because this game is a gen 7 game and it's a gen 7 pokemon? I have a Melmetal as well but mine is shiny --- IGN: Sun FC: 0061-0132-7564 <cite>tremain07 posted [p:913530488] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote>Because this game is a gen 7 game and it's a gen 7 pokemon? I have a Melmetal as well but mine is shiny</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
codey 12/04/18 1:23:43 PM #41:	codey posted... DarkRoast posted... prettyprincess posted... oh I also dont hate Melmetal from a design perspective but the inclusion here is just an absolute powerhouse Yeah but to have him legitimately, you have to transfer him from Pokemon Go, and it takes 400 Meltan candies to get him. Wait why is mwlmetal in the game? Not only is it gen 7 but it's steel as well NVM I totally blanked and forgot that Magnemite was switched to steel/electric a looooooooong time ago. --- *runs out of topic naked* <cite>codey posted [p:913530647] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote><cite>codey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote><cite>prettyprincess posted...</cite> <quote>oh I also dont hate Melmetal from a design perspective but the inclusion here is just an absolute powerhouse</quote> Yeah but to have him legitimately, you have to transfer him from Pokemon Go, and it takes 400 Meltan candies to get him.</quote> Wait why is mwlmetal in the game? Not only is it gen 7 but it's steel as well</quote> NVM I totally blanked and forgot that Magnemite was switched to steel/electric a looooooooong time ago.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 12/04/18 1:24:25 PM #42:	codey posted... codey posted... DarkRoast posted... prettyprincess posted... oh I also dont hate Melmetal from a design perspective but the inclusion here is just an absolute powerhouse Yeah but to have him legitimately, you have to transfer him from Pokemon Go, and it takes 400 Meltan candies to get him. Wait why is mwlmetal in the game? Not only is it gen 7 but it's steel as well NVM I totally blanked and forgot that Magnemite was switched to steel/electric a looooooooong time ago. Gen 2 lol --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:913530682] in Pokemon Le... [t:77264846]...</cite> <quote><cite>codey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>codey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote><cite>prettyprincess posted...</cite> <quote>oh I also dont hate Melmetal from a design perspective but the inclusion here is just an absolute powerhouse</quote> Yeah but to have him legitimately, you have to transfer him from Pokemon Go, and it takes 400 Meltan candies to get him.</quote> Wait why is mwlmetal in the game? Not only is it gen 7 but it's steel as well</quote> NVM I totally blanked and forgot that Magnemite was switched to steel/electric a looooooooong time ago.</quote> Gen 2 lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Current Events > Pokemon Let's Go's battle system is a lot more interesting than I expected