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Coastal_elite 11/27/18 10:27:21 AM #1:	Allow me to explain. Once upon a time, Cadillac was called "the standard of the world". There was a phras like "the cadillac of watches" (rolex) or "the cadillac of pens" (mont blanc). Then GM decided to rebadge a chevy cavalier (basically the 80s version of the chevy cruze) and call it the Cadillac Cimarron... it killed the brand's reputation! Cadillac vowed to never do that mistake again. Only to have the new Cadillac Escalade's interior look like this: https://cars.usnews.com/static/images/Auto/izmo/i45863886/2018_chevrolet_suburban_dashboard.jpg Kidding! That's the chevy. This is the caddy: https://www.cadillac.com/content/dam/cadillac/na/us/english/index/vehicles/2019/crossovers-suvs/escalade-esv/gallery/lm/vehicles-escalade-esv-gallery-interior-02-l-m.jpg?imwidth=1200 But that is not the stupidity I am referring to now: Remember the 2000s? US Automakers put all their eggs in one basket in the 90s, the SUV basket. Cars are out, SUV's are in. Then the economic meltdown happened and SUVs were too expensive and so was their fuel. People stopped buying SUVs and the big 3 automakers had nothing to sell. They were caught with their pants down and paid dearly for it. Fast forward to today... turns out that Ford and Chevy are pretty much stopping all car sales and focusing on... SUVs. GREAT IDEA! Even Cadillac will become a SUV brand now. The US will be left with no automakers, Chrysler is now Italian (and in life support), VW wants to buy Ford and... Chevy are dumbasses. It makes me angry. <cite>Coastal_elite posted [p:913119591] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote>Allow me to explain. Once upon a time, Cadillac was called "the standard of the world". There was a phras like "the cadillac of watches" (rolex) or "the cadillac of pens" (mont blanc). Then GM decided to rebadge a chevy cavalier (basically the 80s version of the chevy cruze) and call it the Cadillac Cimarron... it killed the brand's reputation! Cadillac vowed to never do that mistake again. Only to have the new Cadillac Escalade's interior look like this: https://cars.usnews.com/static/images/Auto/izmo/i45863886/2018_chevrolet_suburban_dashboard.jpg Kidding! That's the chevy. This is the caddy: https://www.cadillac.com/content/dam/cadillac/na/us/english/index/vehicles/2019/crossovers-suvs/escalade-esv/gallery/lm/vehicles-escalade-esv-gallery-interior-02-l-m.jpg?imwidth=1200 But that is not the stupidity I am referring to now: Remember the 2000s? US Automakers put all their eggs in one basket in the 90s, the SUV basket. Cars are out, SUV's are in. Then the economic meltdown happened and SUVs were too expensive and so was their fuel. People stopped buying SUVs and the big 3 automakers had nothing to sell. They were caught with their pants down and paid dearly for it. Fast forward to today... turns out that Ford and Chevy are pretty much stopping all car sales and focusing on... SUVs. GREAT IDEA! Even Cadillac will become a SUV brand now. The US will be left with no automakers, Chrysler is now Italian (and in life support), VW wants to buy Ford and... Chevy are dumbasses. It makes me angry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SK8T3R215 11/27/18 10:30:39 AM #2:	Consumers don't want cars hth --- New York Knicks, New York Jets, New York Yankees. <cite>SK8T3R215 posted [p:913119749] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote>Consumers don't want cars hth</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 11/27/18 10:32:12 AM #3:	automobile manufacturing is no longer a particularly large part of the economy --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:913119828] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote>automobile manufacturing is no longer a particularly large part of the economy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coastal_elite 11/27/18 10:35:49 AM #4:	SK8T3R215 posted... Consumers don't want cars hth honda accord and civic sales are doing just fine. Or toyota camry, avalon and corolla. VW still sells jettas, golfs and passats. BMW sells the 3,5,7 and m3, m5 and alpina 7 series. Mercedes sells the CLA, C, E and S classes. Audi sells the A3,A4, A6 and A8. How are those Kia and Hyundai sedans selling again? It's american sedans that are not selling that well (they were selling ok), mainly because they're either shit (try driving a cruze or a focus) or they are great but they haven't been updated in a decade or at least 5 years (e.g. Taurus, 300C) <cite>Coastal_elite posted [p:913120016] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>SK8T3R215 posted...</cite> <quote>Consumers don't want cars hth</quote> honda accord and civic sales are doing just fine. Or toyota camry, avalon and corolla. VW still sells jettas, golfs and passats. BMW sells the 3,5,7 and m3, m5 and alpina 7 series. Mercedes sells the CLA, C, E and S classes. Audi sells the A3,A4, A6 and A8. How are those Kia and Hyundai sedans selling again? It's american sedans that are not selling that well (they were selling ok), mainly because they're either shit (try driving a cruze or a focus) or they are great but they haven't been updated in a decade or at least 5 years (e.g. Taurus, 300C)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coastal_elite 11/27/18 10:36:12 AM #5:	Darkman124 posted... automobile manufacturing is no longer a particularly large part of the economy Not sure what your point is. <cite>Coastal_elite posted [p:913120040] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>automobile manufacturing is no longer a particularly large part of the economy</quote> Not sure what your point is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 11/27/18 10:37:50 AM #6:	Coastal_elite posted... Darkman124 posted... automobile manufacturing is no longer a particularly large part of the economy Not sure what your point is. when unit sales fall, a move to higher margin items is common --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:913120124] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coastal_elite posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>automobile manufacturing is no longer a particularly large part of the economy</quote> Not sure what your point is.</quote> when unit sales fall, a move to higher margin items is common</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 11/27/18 10:38:57 AM #7:	Maybe American manufacturers should build shit that works and doesn't need a mechanic every 6 months or less. If Ford and Chevy cars held up like Japanese cars they probably wouldn't be in this mess. That's why so few people want American made anymore, they're built to break. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 8 (3) \| THE Ohio State: 11-1 \| Oakland Raiders: 2-8 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:913120177] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote>Maybe American manufacturers should build shit that works and doesn't need a mechanic every 6 months or less. If Ford and Chevy cars held up like Japanese cars they probably wouldn't be in this mess. That's why so few people want American made anymore, they're built to break.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KILBOTz 11/27/18 10:42:10 AM #8:	If they get better at electric/hybrid, I don't think going big will hurt them that much. Americans absolutely prefer larger cars, only time they don't is when gas is too expensive. --- https://imgur.com/O3syCWD https://imgur.com/k3YiBdG <cite>KILBOTz posted [p:913120323] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote>If they get better at electric/hybrid, I don't think going big will hurt them that much. Americans absolutely prefer larger cars, only time they don't is when gas is too expensive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coastal_elite 11/27/18 10:45:02 AM #9:	Darkman124 posted... Coastal_elite posted... Darkman124 posted... automobile manufacturing is no longer a particularly large part of the economy Not sure what your point is. when unit sales fall, a move to higher margin items is common Yes. But it is unwise to put all your eggs in the same basket. That didn't work out in the late 90s/early 2000s and it won't now either. <cite>Coastal_elite posted [p:913120465] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Coastal_elite posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>automobile manufacturing is no longer a particularly large part of the economy</quote> Not sure what your point is.</quote> when unit sales fall, a move to higher margin items is common</quote> Yes. But it is unwise to put all your eggs in the same basket. That didn't work out in the late 90s/early 2000s and it won't now either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 11/27/18 10:45:46 AM #10:	KILBOTz posted... If they get better at electric/hybrid, I don't think going big will hurt them that much. Americans absolutely prefer larger cars, only time they don't is when gas is too expensive. Chevy killing the eletric hybrid. The Volt. They said they are gonna focus on electric/self driving. Well see... <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:913120502] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>KILBOTz posted...</cite> <quote>If they get better at electric/hybrid, I don't think going big will hurt them that much. Americans absolutely prefer larger cars, only time they don't is when gas is too expensive.</quote> Chevy killing the eletric hybrid. The Volt. They said they are gonna focus on electric/self driving. Well see...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coastal_elite 11/27/18 10:45:57 AM #11:	KILBOTz posted... If they get better at electric/hybrid, I don't think going big will hurt them that much. Americans absolutely prefer larger cars, only time they don't is when gas is too expensive. imagine you're in a recession. You can either buy a 15k accord or a 35k hybrid SUV. Which one would you buy? <cite>Coastal_elite posted [p:913120509] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>KILBOTz posted...</cite> <quote>If they get better at electric/hybrid, I don't think going big will hurt them that much. Americans absolutely prefer larger cars, only time they don't is when gas is too expensive.</quote> imagine you're in a recession. You can either buy a 15k accord or a 35k hybrid SUV. Which one would you buy?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 11/27/18 10:46:49 AM #12:	Coastal_elite posted... KILBOTz posted... If they get better at electric/hybrid, I don't think going big will hurt them that much. Americans absolutely prefer larger cars, only time they don't is when gas is too expensive. imagine you're in a recession. You can either buy a 15k accord or a 35k hybrid SUV. Which one would you buy? neither, probably. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:913120546] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coastal_elite posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KILBOTz posted...</cite> <quote>If they get better at electric/hybrid, I don't think going big will hurt them that much. Americans absolutely prefer larger cars, only time they don't is when gas is too expensive.</quote> imagine you're in a recession. You can either buy a 15k accord or a 35k hybrid SUV. Which one would you buy?</quote> neither, probably.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coastal_elite 11/27/18 10:48:43 AM #13:	Darkman124 posted... Coastal_elite posted... KILBOTz posted... If they get better at electric/hybrid, I don't think going big will hurt them that much. Americans absolutely prefer larger cars, only time they don't is when gas is too expensive. imagine you're in a recession. You can either buy a 15k accord or a 35k hybrid SUV. Which one would you buy? neither, probably. sigh Alright then. You know? Margins are huge on Escalades and suburbans. Let's just sell that. I am sure things will be alright come the next recession buys VW stock <cite>Coastal_elite posted [p:913120638] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Coastal_elite posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KILBOTz posted...</cite> <quote>If they get better at electric/hybrid, I don't think going big will hurt them that much. Americans absolutely prefer larger cars, only time they don't is when gas is too expensive.</quote> imagine you're in a recession. You can either buy a 15k accord or a 35k hybrid SUV. Which one would you buy?</quote> neither, probably.</quote> sigh Alright then. You know? Margins are huge on Escalades and suburbans. Let's just sell that. I am sure things will be alright come the next recession buys VW stock</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kombucha 11/27/18 10:49:39 AM #14:	Meh, hopefully Tesla eats their share of the market as they begin to roll out new products and scale. --- http://www.last.fm/user/walkingishonest <cite>Kombucha posted [p:913120672] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote>Meh, hopefully Tesla eats their share of the market as they begin to roll out new products and scale.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 11/27/18 10:51:57 AM #15:	Put simply, if the cash flow generated from selling one of those 35k hybrid SUVs matches that of 4-5 of those accords, the SUV builder might see its cash flow better protected in a recession since purchase of all vehicles would drop, but the percentile drop of theirs would be lower since it was already focused on an elite market whose lifestyle expense purchasing capability is unaltered by the economy, whereas the accord's buyers were middle class folk who decided to keep their old cars for much longer. We saw this in action in the 2008 recession- middle class retailers like JCP got destroyed; upper class brands like PRL showed remarkable resilience. The reason was margin. One of the problems US car manufacturers faced during the recession was they were building SUVs for the middle class--aggressive pricing, better margin than a sedan, but not significantly so. If they're moving to a more luxury market, they'll likely be better protected. Also, I don't know that we can say with confidence we're heading for a recession. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:913120770] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote>Put simply, if the cash flow generated from selling one of those 35k hybrid SUVs matches that of 4-5 of those accords, the SUV builder might see its cash flow better protected in a recession since purchase of all vehicles would drop, but the percentile drop of theirs would be lower since it was already focused on an elite market whose lifestyle expense purchasing capability is unaltered by the economy, whereas the accord's buyers were middle class folk who decided to keep their old cars for much longer. We saw this in action in the 2008 recession- middle class retailers like JCP got destroyed; upper class brands like PRL showed remarkable resilience. The reason was margin. One of the problems US car manufacturers faced during the recession was they were building SUVs for the middle class--aggressive pricing, better margin than a sedan, but not significantly so. If they're moving to a more luxury market, they'll likely be better protected. Also, I don't know that we can say with confidence we're heading for a recession.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coastal_elite 11/27/18 10:57:00 AM #16:	Darkman124 posted... I don't know that we can say with confidence we're heading for a recession. From your mouth to the ears of heaven! Or whatever the phrase is, you know what I mean :) <cite>Coastal_elite posted [p:913120990] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't know that we can say with confidence we're heading for a recession. </quote> From your mouth to the ears of heaven! Or whatever the phrase is, you know what I mean :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 11/27/18 10:57:55 AM #17:	hey man i am just looking at trends here the trend appears to be up and the trend is your friend --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:913121025] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote>hey man i am just looking at trends here the trend appears to be up and the trend is your friend</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SK8T3R215 11/27/18 12:37:43 PM #18:	Coastal_elite posted... SK8T3R215 posted... Consumers don't want cars hth honda accord and civic sales are doing just fine. Or toyota camry, avalon and corolla. VW still sells jettas, golfs and passats. BMW sells the 3,5,7 and m3, m5 and alpina 7 series. Mercedes sells the CLA, C, E and S classes. Audi sells the A3,A4, A6 and A8. How are those Kia and Hyundai sedans selling again? It's american sedans that are not selling that well (they were selling ok), mainly because they're either shit (try driving a cruze or a focus) or they are great but they haven't been updated in a decade or at least 5 years (e.g. Taurus, 300C) Car sales as a whole are down about 10% from last year (last numbers from March 2018 since GM stopped doing monthly numbers). Honda car sales were up .4%, while it's light trucks were up 7%. Toyota car sales were down 6.8% while trucks were up 12.1%. VW car sales were down 31%. idk how you're saying the foreign car sales are doing well when they are all trailing the higher margin light truck market, and the fact the US is basically a rival to Saudi Arabia and Russia in terms of oil production to help insulate gas prices somewhat. Doesn't really seem to crazy for them to say "Car sales are way down the last 7 years, why are we wasting resources on them when we can concentrate on the growing light trucks market, slim our operations now while the economy is going well and grow our margins." --- New York Knicks, New York Jets, New York Yankees. <cite>SK8T3R215 posted [p:913126042] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coastal_elite posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SK8T3R215 posted...</cite> <quote>Consumers don't want cars hth</quote> honda accord and civic sales are doing just fine. Or toyota camry, avalon and corolla. VW still sells jettas, golfs and passats. BMW sells the 3,5,7 and m3, m5 and alpina 7 series. Mercedes sells the CLA, C, E and S classes. Audi sells the A3,A4, A6 and A8. How are those Kia and Hyundai sedans selling again? It's american sedans that are not selling that well (they were selling ok), mainly because they're either shit (try driving a cruze or a focus) or they are great but they haven't been updated in a decade or at least 5 years (e.g. Taurus, 300C)</quote> Car sales as a whole are down about 10% from last year (last numbers from March 2018 since GM stopped doing monthly numbers). Honda car sales were up .4%, while it's light trucks were up 7%. Toyota car sales were down 6.8% while trucks were up 12.1%. VW car sales were down 31%. idk how you're saying the foreign car sales are doing well when they are all trailing the higher margin light truck market, and the fact the US is basically a rival to Saudi Arabia and Russia in terms of oil production to help insulate gas prices somewhat. Doesn't really seem to crazy for them to say "Car sales are way down the last 7 years, why are we wasting resources on them when we can concentrate on the growing light trucks market, slim our operations now while the economy is going well and grow our margins."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 11/27/18 12:45:37 PM #19:	KILBOTz posted... If they get better at electric/hybrid, I don't think going big will hurt them that much. Americans absolutely prefer larger cars, only time they don't is when gas is too expensive. The sudden drive towards electric and killing off the zoo of rebadged passenger cars is little more than gaming the CAFE standards. Customers want bigass pickups, and tiny-yet-expensive glorified go-carts aren't really selling. May as well make a few "zero emissions" cars sucking from the coal-based power grid, to offset those pickups measured in gallons-per-mile. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:913126477] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>KILBOTz posted...</cite> <quote>If they get better at electric/hybrid, I don't think going big will hurt them that much. Americans absolutely prefer larger cars, only time they don't is when gas is too expensive.</quote> The sudden drive towards electric and killing off the zoo of rebadged passenger cars is little more than gaming the CAFE standards. Customers want bigass pickups, and tiny-yet-expensive glorified go-carts aren't really selling. May as well make a few "zero emissions" cars sucking from the coal-based power grid, to offset those pickups measured in gallons-per-mile.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 11/27/18 1:02:03 PM #20:	Honestly maybe consumers who want economical cars dont want american made ones because we know theyre crap <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:913126904] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote>Honestly maybe consumers who want economical cars dont want american made ones because we know theyre crap</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 11/27/18 1:30:46 PM #21:	CruelBuffalo posted... Honestly maybe consumers who want economical cars dont want american made ones because we know theyre crap American cars have been a shitshow for awhile, and not just "quality" issues. Mandatory airbags, tire sensors, and emissions computers are jacking up the prices, and everyone's figured out that the difference between a $25000 Chevy and a $50000 Cadillac is mostly just stickers and slightly different-shaped body panels. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:913128516] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>CruelBuffalo posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly maybe consumers who want economical cars dont want american made ones because we know theyre crap</quote> American cars have been a shitshow for awhile, and not just "quality" issues. Mandatory airbags, tire sensors, and emissions computers are jacking up the prices, and everyone's figured out that the difference between a $25000 Chevy and a $50000 Cadillac is mostly just stickers and slightly different-shaped body panels.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
clearaflagrantj 11/27/18 1:32:49 PM #22:	Fixed Or Repaired Daily <cite>clearaflagrantj posted [p:913128630] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote>Fixed Or Repaired Daily</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 11/27/18 1:33:14 PM #23:	Questionmarktarius posted... $25000 Chevy and a $50000 Cadillac being fair, this is also true of honda/acura, toyota/lexus, etc --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:913128655] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>$25000 Chevy and a $50000 Cadillac</quote> being fair, this is also true of honda/acura, toyota/lexus, etc</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 11/27/18 1:36:45 PM #24:	Darkman124 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... $25000 Chevy and a $50000 Cadillac being fair, this is also true of honda/acura, toyota/lexus, etc Well... yeah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebadging If you want "quality" in an american-made car, look for one built in the south, usually with a foreign brand. Cost-competitiveness forces the "detroit" companies to cut corners to pay union wages, and they're made by union employees who can't really be fired for being bad at it. Meanwhile, all the "safety" mandates have gutted the "cheap" market. A shitty canvas-top Citroen would have a huge market over here, but by the time airbags, tire sensors, crumplezones, and the ECM module gets engineered in, it's just another expensive samey "sporty" passenger car. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:913128849] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>$25000 Chevy and a $50000 Cadillac</quote> being fair, this is also true of honda/acura, toyota/lexus, etc</quote> Well... yeah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebadging If you want "quality" in an american-made car, look for one built in the south, usually with a foreign brand. Cost-competitiveness forces the "detroit" companies to cut corners to pay union wages, and they're made by union employees who can't really be fired for being bad at it. Meanwhile, all the "safety" mandates have gutted the "cheap" market. A shitty canvas-top Citroen would have a huge market over here, but by the time airbags, tire sensors, crumplezones, and the ECM module gets engineered in, it's just another expensive samey "sporty" passenger car.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 11/27/18 1:42:53 PM #25:	i just buy used and call it a day. used market isn't quite as bad now as it was 5 years ago. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:913129187] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote>i just buy used and call it a day. used market isn't quite as bad now as it was 5 years ago.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
clearaflagrantj 11/27/18 1:44:14 PM #26:	Darkman124 posted... i just buy used and call it a day. used market isn't quite as bad now as it was 5 years ago. > super wealthy literal rocket scientist drives reasonable '08 Hyundai Sonota <cite>clearaflagrantj posted [p:913129278] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>i just buy used and call it a day. used market isn't quite as bad now as it was 5 years ago.</quote> > super wealthy literal rocket scientist drives reasonable '08 Hyundai Sonota</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 11/27/18 1:45:22 PM #27:	clearaflagrantj posted... > super wealthy literal rocket scientist drives reasonable '08 Hyundai Sonota 07 corolla tbh a big part of it was my adhd was so bad that i crashed and totaled my 04 civic and i knew i would nowadays i would feel more comfortable buying a new car --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:913129346] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote>> super wealthy literal rocket scientist drives reasonable '08 Hyundai Sonota </quote> 07 corolla tbh a big part of it was my adhd was so bad that i crashed and totaled my 04 civic and i knew i would nowadays i would feel more comfortable buying a new car</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dat_Cracka_Jax 11/27/18 1:46:28 PM #28:	I agree with you TC, but why do they have to be smart if they will just get another bailout if things get bad? --- http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/8131/flame201010170949481638.jpg http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5517/cateyes.gif Rams: 7-9 <cite>Dat_Cracka_Jax posted [p:913129409] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote>I agree with you TC, but why do they have to be smart if they will just get another bailout if things get bad?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alpha218 11/27/18 1:48:36 PM #29:	When I was in the market to buy a car last year I didnt even look at any American models. Their reputation is trash after the stupid decisions they made that got them into trouble in the recession and they make stupid, greedy decisions like this that will cost 15,000 people their jobs. But sure, Im supposed to buy American. Im fine with my Subaru Impreza thanks. --- I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite user on the Citadel. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1349-mario Now Playing: Magic the Gathering: Arena <cite>Alpha218 posted [p:913129544] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote>When I was in the market to buy a car last year I didnt even look at any American models. Their reputation is trash after the stupid decisions they made that got them into trouble in the recession and they make stupid, greedy decisions like this that will cost 15,000 people their jobs. But sure, Im supposed to buy American. Im fine with my Subaru Impreza thanks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 11/27/18 1:49:16 PM #30:	clearaflagrantj posted... Darkman124 posted... i just buy used and call it a day. used market isn't quite as bad now as it was 5 years ago. > super wealthy literal rocket scientist drives reasonable '08 Hyundai Sonota Why not? Leave new cars to the suckers. Alpha218 posted... But sure, Im supposed to buy American. Im fine with my Subaru Impreza thanks. It was probably made in Kentucky anyway. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:913129589] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>i just buy used and call it a day. used market isn't quite as bad now as it was 5 years ago.</quote> > super wealthy literal rocket scientist drives reasonable '08 Hyundai Sonota</quote> Why not? Leave new cars to the suckers. <cite>Alpha218 posted...</cite> <quote>But sure, Im supposed to buy American. Im fine with my Subaru Impreza thanks.</quote> It was probably made in Kentucky anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
booboy 11/27/18 1:50:40 PM #31:	I'm really not sure why the US companies can't figure out the formula for good compact and midsize cars. Good chassis + responsive engine + reliability + a few creature comforts = good car in those segments. --- There is no problem that can't be solved by applying more yuri to it. In Torque We Trust <cite>booboy posted [p:913129671] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote>I'm really not sure why the US companies can't figure out the formula for good compact and midsize cars. Good chassis + responsive engine + reliability + a few creature comforts = good car in those segments.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
clearaflagrantj 11/27/18 1:52:43 PM #32:	Questionmarktarius posted... Why not? Leave new cars to the suckers. More and more people these days are buying used cars to the point where they're so expensive they're sometimes not even worth it. If you buy a new car every 10-15 years with the intent of driving it into the ground it's just as financially viable. Not discrediting used at all though. I drive an '06 Camry. <cite>clearaflagrantj posted [p:913129806] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Why not? Leave new cars to the suckers. </quote> More and more people these days are buying used cars to the point where they're so expensive they're sometimes not even worth it. If you buy a new car every 10-15 years with the intent of driving it into the ground it's just as financially viable. Not discrediting used at all though. I drive an '06 Camry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 11/27/18 1:53:08 PM #33:	booboy posted... I'm really not sure why the US companies can't figure out the formula for good compact and midsize cars. Good chassis + responsive engine + reliability + a few creature comforts = good car in those segments. I dunno. There's probably a huge market for a sub-$8k shitbox. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:913129836] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>booboy posted...</cite> <quote>I'm really not sure why the US companies can't figure out the formula for good compact and midsize cars. Good chassis + responsive engine + reliability + a few creature comforts = good car in those segments.</quote> I dunno. There's probably a huge market for a sub-$8k shitbox.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 11/27/18 1:54:11 PM #34:	hard to say. used leafs still don't sell and they're my go-to for an ideal priced sub-$8 shitbox + they're not shitboxes --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:913129889] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote>hard to say. used leafs still don't sell and they're my go-to for an ideal priced sub-$8 shitbox + they're not shitboxes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 11/27/18 1:54:31 PM #35:	booboy posted... I'm really not sure why the US companies can't figure out the formula for good compact and midsize cars. Good chassis + responsive engine + reliability + a few creature comforts = good car in those segments. American manufactures refuse to build a reliable car, they build them to break as they always have and won't change. That's what allowed Toyota and Honda to crush them and continue crushing them. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 8 (3) \| THE Ohio State: 11-1 \| Oakland Raiders: 2-8 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:913129907] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>booboy posted...</cite> <quote>I'm really not sure why the US companies can't figure out the formula for good compact and midsize cars. Good chassis + responsive engine + reliability + a few creature comforts = good car in those segments.</quote> American manufactures refuse to build a reliable car, they build them to break as they always have and won't change. That's what allowed Toyota and Honda to crush them and continue crushing them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alpha218 11/27/18 1:57:18 PM #36:	Questionmarktarius posted... clearaflagrantj posted... Darkman124 posted... i just buy used and call it a day. used market isn't quite as bad now as it was 5 years ago. > super wealthy literal rocket scientist drives reasonable '08 Hyundai Sonota Why not? Leave new cars to the suckers. Alpha218 posted... But sure, Im supposed to buy American. Im fine with my Subaru Impreza thanks. It was probably made in Kentucky anyway. I think so actually. Thing is if American car makers dont want to make a reliable car for someone like me then Im not obligated to buy from them. They already know what happened the last time they pulled this. --- I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite user on the Citadel. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1349-mario Now Playing: Magic the Gathering: Arena <cite>Alpha218 posted [p:913130045] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>i just buy used and call it a day. used market isn't quite as bad now as it was 5 years ago.</quote> > super wealthy literal rocket scientist drives reasonable '08 Hyundai Sonota</quote> Why not? Leave new cars to the suckers. <cite>Alpha218 posted...</cite> <quote>But sure, Im supposed to buy American. Im fine with my Subaru Impreza thanks.</quote> It was probably made in Kentucky anyway.</quote> I think so actually. Thing is if American car makers dont want to make a reliable car for someone like me then Im not obligated to buy from them. They already know what happened the last time they pulled this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 11/27/18 1:58:01 PM #37:	voldothegr8 posted... booboy posted... I'm really not sure why the US companies can't figure out the formula for good compact and midsize cars. Good chassis + responsive engine + reliability + a few creature comforts = good car in those segments. American manufactures refuse to build a reliable car, they build them to break as they always have and won't change. That's what allowed Toyota and Honda to crush them and continue crushing them. When the first step to changing the battery is "remove front left wheel", you're just plain fucking up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv0fJsS62kQ" data-time=" <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:913130085] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>booboy posted...</cite> <quote>I'm really not sure why the US companies can't figure out the formula for good compact and midsize cars. Good chassis + responsive engine + reliability + a few creature comforts = good car in those segments.</quote> American manufactures refuse to build a reliable car, they build them to break as they always have and won't change. That's what allowed Toyota and Honda to crush them and continue crushing them.</quote> When the first step to changing the battery is "remove front left wheel", you're just plain fucking up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv0fJsS62kQ" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EdgeMaster 11/27/18 2:04:16 PM #38:	Questionmarktarius posted... clearaflagrantj posted... Darkman124 posted... i just buy used and call it a day. used market isn't quite as bad now as it was 5 years ago. > super wealthy literal rocket scientist drives reasonable '08 Hyundai Sonota Why not? Leave new cars to the suckers. Agreed. Buying a brand new car is almost never a good idea. I drive a 2012 Infiniti G37 and I paid as much for it as most cheap Hondas and Toyotas sell for from 2015-2018. Exception is some luxury cars like Mercedes... if you cant afford a new one, you cant afford a used one lol. This doesnt apply to some cars like Lexus where they have a reputation for reliability (because Toyota...). Cant think of a good reason why you would pay $40k or more for a brand new one when you could spend $10k on a mid 2000s one with plenty of life left in it. --- If you don't have anything nice to say, say it on the internet. ****poster Extraordinaire <cite>EdgeMaster posted [p:913130435] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>i just buy used and call it a day. used market isn't quite as bad now as it was 5 years ago.</quote> > super wealthy literal rocket scientist drives reasonable '08 Hyundai Sonota</quote> Why not? Leave new cars to the suckers. </quote> Agreed. Buying a brand new car is almost never a good idea. I drive a 2012 Infiniti G37 and I paid as much for it as most cheap Hondas and Toyotas sell for from 2015-2018. Exception is some luxury cars like Mercedes... if you cant afford a new one, you cant afford a used one lol. This doesnt apply to some cars like Lexus where they have a reputation for reliability (because Toyota...). Cant think of a good reason why you would pay $40k or more for a brand new one when you could spend $10k on a mid 2000s one with plenty of life left in it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bossdog421 11/27/18 2:17:57 PM #39:	Meanwhile at Dodge... Demons and Hellephants roaming wild. --- Theres a little place where the sun sleeps late. Pours himself a shot of tequila. Its a little place called Pleasure Island. Thats where Id like to feel ya. <cite>Bossdog421 posted [p:913131239] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote>Meanwhile at Dodge... Demons and Hellephants roaming wild.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kinetika_ 11/27/18 2:21:02 PM #40:	Coastal_elite posted... SK8T3R215 posted... Consumers don't want cars hth honda accord and civic sales are doing just fine. Or toyota camry, avalon and corolla. VW still sells jettas, golfs and passats. BMW sells the 3,5,7 and m3, m5 and alpina 7 series. Mercedes sells the CLA, C, E and S classes. Audi sells the A3,A4, A6 and A8. How are those Kia and Hyundai sedans selling again? It's american sedans that are not selling that well (they were selling ok), mainly because they're either shit (try driving a cruze or a focus) or they are great but they haven't been updated in a decade or at least 5 years (e.g. Taurus, 300C) List all that and make no mention to the amazingly popular Nissan sedan line... wow. --- PSN: PurifyNothing <cite>kinetika_ posted [p:913131432] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coastal_elite posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SK8T3R215 posted...</cite> <quote>Consumers don't want cars hth</quote> honda accord and civic sales are doing just fine. Or toyota camry, avalon and corolla. VW still sells jettas, golfs and passats. BMW sells the 3,5,7 and m3, m5 and alpina 7 series. Mercedes sells the CLA, C, E and S classes. Audi sells the A3,A4, A6 and A8. How are those Kia and Hyundai sedans selling again? It's american sedans that are not selling that well (they were selling ok), mainly because they're either shit (try driving a cruze or a focus) or they are great but they haven't been updated in a decade or at least 5 years (e.g. Taurus, 300C)</quote> List all that and make no mention to the amazingly popular Nissan sedan line... wow.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JBaLLEN66 11/27/18 2:24:25 PM #41:	voldothegr8 posted... Maybe American manufacturers should build shit that works and doesn't need a mechanic every 6 months or less. If Ford and Chevy cars held up like Japanese cars they probably wouldn't be in this mess. That's why so few people want American made anymore, they're built to break. This is an old myth that needs to be buried --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdR2Iktffaw The day Capitalism was humiliated :) <cite>JBaLLEN66 posted [p:913131613] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe American manufacturers should build shit that works and doesn't need a mechanic every 6 months or less. If Ford and Chevy cars held up like Japanese cars they probably wouldn't be in this mess. That's why so few people want American made anymore, they're built to break.</quote> This is an old myth that needs to be buried</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KILBOTz 11/27/18 2:25:41 PM #42:	Alpha218 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... clearaflagrantj posted... Darkman124 posted... i just buy used and call it a day. used market isn't quite as bad now as it was 5 years ago. > super wealthy literal rocket scientist drives reasonable '08 Hyundai Sonota Why not? Leave new cars to the suckers. Alpha218 posted... But sure, Im supposed to buy American. Im fine with my Subaru Impreza thanks. It was probably made in Kentucky anyway. I think so actually. Thing is if American car makers dont want to make a reliable car for someone like me then Im not obligated to buy from them. They already know what happened the last time they pulled this. Most American V8s are very reliable. --- https://imgur.com/O3syCWD https://imgur.com/k3YiBdG <cite>KILBOTz posted [p:913131679] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>Alpha218 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>i just buy used and call it a day. used market isn't quite as bad now as it was 5 years ago.</quote> > super wealthy literal rocket scientist drives reasonable '08 Hyundai Sonota</quote> Why not? Leave new cars to the suckers. <cite>Alpha218 posted...</cite> <quote>But sure, Im supposed to buy American. Im fine with my Subaru Impreza thanks.</quote> It was probably made in Kentucky anyway.</quote> I think so actually. Thing is if American car makers dont want to make a reliable car for someone like me then Im not obligated to buy from them. They already know what happened the last time they pulled this.</quote> Most American V8s are very reliable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JBaLLEN66 11/27/18 2:33:11 PM #43:	I work in finance for a major American automobile company, here are my reasons. 1). The dealerships are separately owned and are obsolete and financial/logistical bottleneck for manufacturing company. 2). Cars are getting more expensive year by year. I think the average payment I review is around 300 and up. These new trucks you see on the road run up to 700 plus a month easily. 3). Wages have failed to increase with cost of living, which means debt load increases, which means your average credit score decreases. All this increases chances of repossessing the car which is bad lol. We call this sub prime paper and this is on the rise in the industry so you have the dealerships that need to move more metal to stay afloat but the banks cant also handle all this sub prime paper. In addition, we are handing out 0% interest rates on 500 credit scores right now. 4). They are still corporations which consists of a fortress of buearacracy and plenty of nepotism and good ole boyism going around. Theres much more, but I really do not want to type any more lol. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdR2Iktffaw The day Capitalism was humiliated :) <cite>JBaLLEN66 posted [p:913132102] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote>I work in finance for a major American automobile company, here are my reasons. 1). The dealerships are separately owned and are obsolete and financial/logistical bottleneck for manufacturing company. 2). Cars are getting more expensive year by year. I think the average payment I review is around 300 and up. These new trucks you see on the road run up to 700 plus a month easily. 3). Wages have failed to increase with cost of living, which means debt load increases, which means your average credit score decreases. All this increases chances of repossessing the car which is bad lol. We call this sub prime paper and this is on the rise in the industry so you have the dealerships that need to move more metal to stay afloat but the banks cant also handle all this sub prime paper. In addition, we are handing out 0% interest rates on 500 credit scores right now. 4). They are still corporations which consists of a fortress of buearacracy and plenty of nepotism and good ole boyism going around. Theres much more, but I really do not want to type any more lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JBaLLEN66 11/27/18 2:34:48 PM #44:	KILBOTz posted... Alpha218 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... clearaflagrantj posted... Darkman124 posted... i just buy used and call it a day. used market isn't quite as bad now as it was 5 years ago. > super wealthy literal rocket scientist drives reasonable '08 Hyundai Sonota Why not? Leave new cars to the suckers. Alpha218 posted... But sure, Im supposed to buy American. Im fine with my Subaru Impreza thanks. It was probably made in Kentucky anyway. I think so actually. Thing is if American car makers dont want to make a reliable car for someone like me then Im not obligated to buy from them. They already know what happened the last time they pulled this. Most American V8s are very reliable. Most cars today are very reliable, and this American car myth is a 80s issue. I interact with Nissan employees and they even admit their cars have issues. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdR2Iktffaw The day Capitalism was humiliated :) <cite>JBaLLEN66 posted [p:913132191] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>KILBOTz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Alpha218 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>i just buy used and call it a day. used market isn't quite as bad now as it was 5 years ago.</quote> > super wealthy literal rocket scientist drives reasonable '08 Hyundai Sonota</quote> Why not? Leave new cars to the suckers. <cite>Alpha218 posted...</cite> <quote>But sure, Im supposed to buy American. Im fine with my Subaru Impreza thanks.</quote> It was probably made in Kentucky anyway.</quote> I think so actually. Thing is if American car makers dont want to make a reliable car for someone like me then Im not obligated to buy from them. They already know what happened the last time they pulled this.</quote> Most American V8s are very reliable.</quote> Most cars today are very reliable, and this American car myth is a 80s issue. I interact with Nissan employees and they even admit their cars have issues.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
booboy 11/27/18 2:35:01 PM #45:	KILBOTz posted... Alpha218 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... clearaflagrantj posted... Darkman124 posted... i just buy used and call it a day. used market isn't quite as bad now as it was 5 years ago. > super wealthy literal rocket scientist drives reasonable '08 Hyundai Sonota Why not? Leave new cars to the suckers. Alpha218 posted... But sure, Im supposed to buy American. Im fine with my Subaru Impreza thanks. It was probably made in Kentucky anyway. I think so actually. Thing is if American car makers dont want to make a reliable car for someone like me then Im not obligated to buy from them. They already know what happened the last time they pulled this. Most American V8s are very reliable. True, the US companies know how to V8, with a smattering of decent V6 engines. For other 6 cylinders, as well as 4 cylinders, Japan has those pretty well on lock. --- There is no problem that can't be solved by applying more yuri to it. In Torque We Trust <cite>booboy posted [p:913132201] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>KILBOTz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Alpha218 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>i just buy used and call it a day. used market isn't quite as bad now as it was 5 years ago.</quote> > super wealthy literal rocket scientist drives reasonable '08 Hyundai Sonota</quote> Why not? Leave new cars to the suckers. <cite>Alpha218 posted...</cite> <quote>But sure, Im supposed to buy American. Im fine with my Subaru Impreza thanks.</quote> It was probably made in Kentucky anyway.</quote> I think so actually. Thing is if American car makers dont want to make a reliable car for someone like me then Im not obligated to buy from them. They already know what happened the last time they pulled this.</quote> Most American V8s are very reliable.</quote> True, the US companies know how to V8, with a smattering of decent V6 engines. For other 6 cylinders, as well as 4 cylinders, Japan has those pretty well on lock.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 11/27/18 3:01:43 PM #46:	JBaLLEN66 posted... voldothegr8 posted... Maybe American manufacturers should build shit that works and doesn't need a mechanic every 6 months or less. If Ford and Chevy cars held up like Japanese cars they probably wouldn't be in this mess. That's why so few people want American made anymore, they're built to break. This is an old myth that needs to be buried Wife and I own both American cars, always at the mechanic. Since not buying American but used all the same, wife and I are rarely at the mechanic. Anecdotal I know, but it wasn't a myth in my case. Maybe saying they're built to break is extreme but they're definitely less reliable and break far more often than Toyota or Honda to name a few. And yes every manufacturer makes stinkers but why settle for anything less than solid reliability, which American makers can't seem to do unless it's a truck or muscle car. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 8 (3) \| THE Ohio State: 11-1 \| Oakland Raiders: 2-8 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:913133653] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>JBaLLEN66 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe American manufacturers should build shit that works and doesn't need a mechanic every 6 months or less. If Ford and Chevy cars held up like Japanese cars they probably wouldn't be in this mess. That's why so few people want American made anymore, they're built to break.</quote> This is an old myth that needs to be buried</quote> Wife and I own both American cars, always at the mechanic. Since not buying American but used all the same, wife and I are rarely at the mechanic. Anecdotal I know, but it wasn't a myth in my case. Maybe saying they're built to break is extreme but they're definitely less reliable and break far more often than Toyota or Honda to name a few. And yes every manufacturer makes stinkers but why settle for anything less than solid reliability, which American makers can't seem to do unless it's a truck or muscle car.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JBaLLEN66 11/27/18 3:11:42 PM #47:	voldothegr8 posted... JBaLLEN66 posted... voldothegr8 posted... Maybe American manufacturers should build shit that works and doesn't need a mechanic every 6 months or less. If Ford and Chevy cars held up like Japanese cars they probably wouldn't be in this mess. That's why so few people want American made anymore, they're built to break. This is an old myth that needs to be buried Wife and I own both American cars, always at the mechanic. Since not buying American but used all the same, wife and I are rarely at the mechanic. Anecdotal I know, but it wasn't a myth in my case. Maybe saying they're built to break is extreme but they're definitely less reliable and break far more often than Toyota or Honda to name a few. And yes every manufacturer makes stinkers but why settle for anything less than solid reliability, which American makers can't seem to do unless it's a truck or muscle car. Hence why American auto companies are committing to trucks and suvs. I dont disagree that the Asians make better cars but American cars have gotten better. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdR2Iktffaw The day Capitalism was humiliated :) <cite>JBaLLEN66 posted [p:913134142] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JBaLLEN66 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe American manufacturers should build shit that works and doesn't need a mechanic every 6 months or less. If Ford and Chevy cars held up like Japanese cars they probably wouldn't be in this mess. That's why so few people want American made anymore, they're built to break.</quote> This is an old myth that needs to be buried</quote> Wife and I own both American cars, always at the mechanic. Since not buying American but used all the same, wife and I are rarely at the mechanic. Anecdotal I know, but it wasn't a myth in my case. Maybe saying they're built to break is extreme but they're definitely less reliable and break far more often than Toyota or Honda to name a few. And yes every manufacturer makes stinkers but why settle for anything less than solid reliability, which American makers can't seem to do unless it's a truck or muscle car.</quote> Hence why American auto companies are committing to trucks and suvs. I dont disagree that the Asians make better cars but American cars have gotten better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krojen 11/27/18 3:15:18 PM #48:	Kombucha posted... Meh, hopefully Tesla eats their share of the market as they begin to roll out new products and scale. They have and they will. --- https://imgur.com/hI4hAMb <cite>Krojen posted [p:913134315] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kombucha posted...</cite> <quote>Meh, hopefully Tesla eats their share of the market as they begin to roll out new products and scale.</quote> They have and they will.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 11/27/18 4:37:36 PM #49:	I love my Toyota. Been running amazing since 2011 and will likely buy a Lexus or another Toyota in 2020-2022 <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:913138767] in Why are US... [t:77244388]...</cite> <quote>I love my Toyota. Been running amazing since 2011 and will likely buy a Lexus or another Toyota in 2020-2022</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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