Current Events > sex work IS a real job and should be respected as any other job!

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Perascamin posted...

CyricZ posted...

Perascamin posted...

Sex work is shameful because its practice is rooted deep in history as a way to oppress and use women for pleasure

I and many other sex work advocates are aware of the sordid history of sex work.

The thing is sex work is not going to go away. It remains a demand for society, no matter how little we want to admit it, and no amount of shaming or proselytism in thousands of years has done a lick of changing that.

If we cannot remove it as a demand, the focus should instead be to provide a supply that is safe and regulated for all involved. To create an industry where the workers are in control of their own agency.

That's never going go happen and you know it. The powerful porn companies may hide behind positive messaging campaigns and being "transparent", but in the end there's a group of men and probably a few women who want to use people like you and your body until you're "worn out" and "worthless" then toss you to the side when the next young, barely able to critically think prospect comes up.

By that time, they should have saved enough money to make other investments of some sort. The same with any basic-ass minimal training job.

Any given industry wants to use you for their gains. It's up to you, and maybe an overhaul with the education system, to know how to use what you gain from them to secure a better place for yourself.

That being said: Things with the industry can still get a lot better than they are now. Feasibly, plausibly better.
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tennisdude818 posted...

CyricZ posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

Dumb post. I think it should be legal to drink your ass off every day, and I also think it's a terrible idea to drink your ass off every day.

So really all you want to create is a society where vice is allowed and you can feel superior to others because you didn't indulge.

I guess I see why you would make this error. You're a leftist, and for leftists it's the State's job to pick up where the Church left off in enforcing morality.

It's not about the result. It's the intent. You've made your intent clear through your dialogue in this topic. You don't want to protect or support anyone. You're all about yourself and where you stand in the pecking order.
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tennisdude818 posted...

Post #79

Again, putting your own hangups as the societal norm and expecting others to fall in line.
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Doom_Art posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

The nuclear family is the optimal way to raise kids. It makes sense that societal norms would prioritize habits that encourage the nuclear family. That involves acting in a way that makes you look like an attractive and reliable long term partner.

See this is exactly what I'm talking about

A fairly young person who's not religious themselves shilling for these old traditional ideals that religious folks hock

If you are discarding standards along with religion you are throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Do you deny that on average, nuclear families are a superior environment for kids than single mother households? Where unfamiliar men are entering the house? Where the single parent is exhausted?
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CyricZ posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

CyricZ posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

Dumb post. I think it should be legal to drink your ass off every day, and I also think it's a terrible idea to drink your ass off every day.

So really all you want to create is a society where vice is allowed and you can feel superior to others because you didn't indulge.

I guess I see why you would make this error. You're a leftist, and for leftists it's the State's job to pick up where the Church left off in enforcing morality.

It's not about the result. It's the intent. You've made your intent clear through your dialogue in this topic. You don't want to protect or support anyone. You're all about yourself and where you stand in the pecking order.

It's amazing how much leftists are offended by standards. It's why you're leftists. If people want to live degenerate lifestyles and be protected from natural consequences, they often need government subsidies.
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im very very shocked to come to page three and immediately start seeing some incel shit
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And yet none of this has anything to do with whether or not the sex industry is or should be legitimate.

Doom_Art posted...

CyricZ posted...

You can stop lying about being libertarian any time. You're just a normal dank-ass conservative.

A libertarian is just a conservative that likes weed.

IIRC that dude is a trump supporter too

I don't smoke weed and I've criticized Trump plenty of times. Who are you, Ann Coulter?
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It's probably better to reply to my last post, what with the current train with the other person having devolved into mudslinging.
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SaithSayer posted...

^ because you wouldn't have been conceived without them?

You do know that post was sarcasm and he was agreeing with you, right

tennisdude818 posted...

It's why you're leftists.

lmao
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Doom_Art posted...

CyricZ posted...

You can stop lying about being libertarian any time. You're just a normal dank-ass conservative.

A libertarian is just a conservative that likes weed.

IIRC that dude is a trump supporter too

Mmmm ignorance. Trump supporters arent libertarians no matter how much they say they are.
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SaithSayer posted...

Irregardless posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

reducing yourself to a piece of flesh to be used for pleasure.

As opposed to a piece of flesh used for moving boxes or bagging groceries.

It's "You can fuck me if you have money. You don't have to have any respect for me."

It's one thing to sell it to someone who actually has a decent opinion of you. It's another to let someone fuck you and know they're thinking "Let me nail this nasty bitch here..."

Now you know everyone who comes through a cashiers line in a store doesnt havent a decent opinion of them. There are plenty of people who treat retail workers like shit because they have zero respect for them. Other than the actual activity and societal stigma Im still not seeing an actual difference here.
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Seriously? Other jobs are respected?

I agree that a proper work ethic means respecting jobs.
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CobraGT posted...

Seriously? Other jobs are respected?

I imagine most of the people complaining about sex workers look down on all low-skilled labor jobs too.
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Reasons not to respect sex workers based on this topic:
- tennisdude wants a nuclear family and this somehow effects that
-theyre being exploited and thats somehow different from other workers for reasons no one can explain
-cuz sex is gross ewwww
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Perascamin posted...

CyricZ posted...

Perascamin posted...

Sex work is shameful because its practice is rooted deep in history as a way to oppress and use women for pleasure

I and many other sex work advocates are aware of the sordid history of sex work.

The thing is sex work is not going to go away. It remains a demand for society, no matter how little we want to admit it, and no amount of shaming or proselytism in thousands of years has done a lick of changing that.

If we cannot remove it as a demand, the focus should instead be to provide a supply that is safe and regulated for all involved. To create an industry where the workers are in control of their own agency.

That's never going go happen and you know it. The powerful porn companies may hide behind positive messaging campaigns and being "transparent", but in the end there's a group of men and probably a few women who want to use people like you and your body until you're "worn out" and "worthless" then toss you to the side when the next young, barely able to critically think prospect comes up.

You think companies across all industries aren't above getting rid of laborers once they've served their purpose? See: layoffs
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what a fucking trainwreck

King_Hellebuyck posted...

Reasons not to respect sex workers based on this topic:
- tennisdude wants a nuclear family and this somehow effects that
-theyre being exploited and thats somehow different from other workers for reasons no one can explain
-cuz sex is gross ewwww

I was explaining why that work is seen as degenerate. I wasn't saying that the existence of sex workers hurts the nuclear family.
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tennisdude818 posted...

King_Hellebuyck posted...

Reasons not to respect sex workers based on this topic:
- tennisdude wants a nuclear family and this somehow effects that
-theyre being exploited and thats somehow different from other workers for reasons no one can explain
-cuz sex is gross ewwww

I was explaining why that work is seen as degenerate. I wasn't saying that the existence of sex workers hurts the nuclear family.

You mostly just rambled half incoherently about families so its hard to decipher any legitimate meaning from it.
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I have some sex worker friends and they all pay taxes. They sell clips and they cam. I don't know where the notion of sex workers not paying taxes came from, but it's not true.

I don't see why it would be any different from say Twitch streamers.

s0nicfan posted...

Lmao
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CommonStar posted...

I have some sex worker friends and they all pay taxes. They sell clips and they cam. I don't know where the notion of sex workers not paying taxes came from, but it's not true.

I don't see why it would be any different from say Twitch streamers.

Consider that the dude reporting these women is a raging misogynist incel and you pretty much have your answer how it's 'different'

King_Hellebuyck posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

King_Hellebuyck posted...

Reasons not to respect sex workers based on this topic:
- tennisdude wants a nuclear family and this somehow effects that
-theyre being exploited and thats somehow different from other workers for reasons no one can explain
-cuz sex is gross ewwww

I was explaining why that work is seen as degenerate. I wasn't saying that the existence of sex workers hurts the nuclear family.

You mostly just rambled half incoherently about families so its hard to decipher any legitimate meaning from it.

Im sorry. If my explanation wasnt understandable to the lowest common denominator thats on me.
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The dude who cant coherently make a point insulted me, oh no Im horribly offended.
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CommonStar posted...

I have some sex worker friends and they all pay taxes. They sell clips and they cam. I don't know where the notion of sex workers not paying taxes came from, but it's not true.

I don't see why it would be any different from say Twitch streamers.

I mean, I'm sure that they are pay taxes less often than an employee of a company but they probably pay taxes about as often as any other self-employed person who thinks they can get away with it.
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given these websites send 1099's to the IRS if you make more than $600 a year I don't see the point of reporting something they're already aware of

People still fall for these troll and runs?
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If someone has to sell their body to make momeybthey obviously have no life skills.
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Monolith1676 posted...

If someone has to sell their body to make momeybthey obviously have no life skills.

If you think fucking aint a life skill then damn you need to have better sex.
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why are you responding to a troll post

Dont call sex work degenerate! Standards are mean.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2254224/

Surprise, sex workers were often abused as kids. Could it be that behavior stemming from childhood abuse is often negative?

The prevalence rates for abuse in the sample were 73% for physical abuse; 32.4% for sexual abuse; 86.8% for emotional abuse; 84.5% for physical neglect; and 93% for emotional neglect.

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Tons of jobs/careers get massive disrespect. Why all the white knighting for sex workers?
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sex work is not a real job, lmao

It's the result of women not being able to/wanting to get a real job

_Squirtle_ posted...

Tons of jobs/careers get massive disrespect. Why all the white knighting for sex workers?

Because in the case of sex work, that disrespect and stigma has led to criminalization, and all the disastrous effects of that.
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lmao how this topic get this far?
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Antifar posted...

_Squirtle_ posted...

Tons of jobs/careers get massive disrespect. Why all the white knighting for sex workers?

Because in the case of sex work, that disrespect and stigma has led to criminalization, and all the disastrous effects of that.

"disastrous effects"

Alright Captain Hyperbole
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tennisdude818 posted...

Dont call sex work degenerate! Standards are mean.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2254224/

Surprise, sex workers were often abused as kids. Could it be that behavior stemming from childhood abuse is often negative?

The prevalence rates for abuse in the sample were 73% for physical abuse; 32.4% for sexual abuse; 86.8% for emotional abuse; 84.5% for physical neglect; and 93% for emotional neglect.

No surprise there. Doesn't mean it isn't a viable career option for well-adjusted people. Didn't the Asian from Charlie's Angels have a stem degree before deciding it was boring and that she wanted more fuckery?
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_Squirtle_ posted...

Antifar posted...

_Squirtle_ posted...

Tons of jobs/careers get massive disrespect. Why all the white knighting for sex workers?

Because in the case of sex work, that disrespect and stigma has led to criminalization, and all the disastrous effects of that.

"disastrous effects"

Alright Captain Hyperbole

Not really. People getting abused at any job is bad, and it's more frequent for sex workers, who usually don't even have HR.
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_Squirtle_ posted...

Antifar posted...

_Squirtle_ posted...

Tons of jobs/careers get massive disrespect. Why all the white knighting for sex workers?

Because in the case of sex work, that disrespect and stigma has led to criminalization, and all the disastrous effects of that.

"disastrous effects"

Alright Captain Hyperbole

How is he wrong
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tennisdude818 posted...

Dont call sex work degenerate! Standards are mean.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2254224/

Surprise, sex workers were often abused as kids. Could it be that behavior stemming from childhood abuse is often negative?

The prevalence rates for abuse in the sample were 73% for physical abuse; 32.4% for sexual abuse; 86.8% for emotional abuse; 84.5% for physical neglect; and 93% for emotional neglect.

Somehow your argument is now sex workers dont deserve respect because many of them were abused as children. What a brilliant take from our resident morality professor.
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_Squirtle_ posted...

Antifar posted...

_Squirtle_ posted...

Tons of jobs/careers get massive disrespect. Why all the white knighting for sex workers?

Because in the case of sex work, that disrespect and stigma has led to criminalization, and all the disastrous effects of that.

"disastrous effects"

Alright Captain Hyperbole

Pushing sex work underground makes it more dangerous for everyone involved. You needn't look any further than the impacts of SESTA/FOSTA to see this in action.
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They dont deserve respect because theyre whores. Get a real job
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You do realise that on the other end of the spectrum, legalising prostitution still makes it more dangerous? It increases sex trafficing rates.
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Rika_Furude posted...

You do realise that on the other end of the spectrum, legalising prostitution still makes it more dangerous? It increases sex trafficing rates.

This is big news to me. Where'd you learn this from?
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Guide posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

You do realise that on the other end of the spectrum, legalising prostitution still makes it more dangerous? It increases sex trafficing rates.

This is big news to me. Where'd you learn this from?

https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/
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