Current Events > sex work IS a real job and should be respected as any other job!

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Here's a conversation you won't see actually happen.

"My daughter is a doctor."
"Oh yeah? Well MY daughter is a prostitute!"

Guide posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

LightningAce11 posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

Its not real work. If you have a daughter and caught her doing that stuff you failed miserably.

What qualifies as real work? As long as you make money and pay taxes is there really a problem?

Im not saying it should be illegal, but do you disagree with the second part of my post?

If what you are doing requires some skill, creativity, and/or discipline then thats a sign that its real work.

What, so retail worker don't do real work? Garbage men, janitors, shovelers, lawnmowers, the lunch lady?

If you're getting money for something, that means it is valued in some way, by someone. That's all it is, exchanging effort for money. What you have is an arbitrary concept of what you respect, which is different from the definition of work, or a job, that you would find in any dictionary or legal documentation.

I said, "and/or discipline" because a janitor still has to do things like get up early, clean puke and shit, etc.
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SaithSayer posted...

Here's a conversation you won't see actually happen.

"My daughter is a doctor."
"Oh yeah? Well MY daughter is a prostitute!"

Would you be bragging if your daughter was a coal miner or dishwasher or bagger?
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I'd be bragging that she was actually working rather than not.

SaithSayer posted...

I'd be bragging that she was actually working rather than not.

If your bag boy son was spending all his money watching my stripper daughter dance, Id be laughing in your face bragging about it
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My kids will definitely learn to not throw money away.

Yes its a job, you exchange a service for money. (Your view on how disgusting it is is irrelevant in this regard) Yes it needs taxed like every other person that works.
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HydraSlayer82 posted...

Yes its a job, you exchange a service for money. (Your view on how disgusting it is is irrelevant in this regard) Yes it needs taxed like every other person that works.

Yep
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Your kids will literally throw money at my daughter until theyre broke because shes filling a service that they wont be able to get on their own without paying.
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I don't know why some of y'all don't consider sex work a real job. The only difference between what they do and what I do is I'm getting figuratively fucked when I clock in
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SaithSayer posted...

Here's a conversation you won't see actually happen.

"My daughter is a doctor."
"Oh yeah? Well MY daughter is a prostitute!"

This is less a problem with the jobs themselves and more of a problem with parents bragging about their children to feel superior to their peers. They tie their own arrogance to the success of their child with what society has determined "good jobs".

Another societal hang-up that you seem determined to perpetuate.

Should a parent be ashamed of their child becoming an artist? A performer? A teacher?
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CyricZ posted...

SaithSayer posted...

Here's a conversation you won't see actually happen.

"My daughter is a doctor."
"Oh yeah? Well MY daughter is a prostitute!"

This is less a problem with the jobs themselves and more of a problem with parents bragging about their children to feel superior to their peers. They tie their own arrogance to the success of their child with what society has determined "good jobs".

Another societal hang-up that you seem determined to perpetuate.

Should a parent be ashamed of their child becoming an artist? A performer? A teacher?

A parent should be ashamed of their child being a sex worker.
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tennisdude818 posted...

A parent should be ashamed of their child being a sex worker.

Why
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tennisdude818 posted...

A parent should be ashamed of their child being a sex worker.

Insofar as it's illegal and therefore often tied to a seedy and dangerous underworld, sure.

But in terms of the job itself, assuming it became legal, why should they be?

CyricZ posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

A parent should be ashamed of their child being a sex worker.

Why

Would you be proud?

CyricZ posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

A parent should be ashamed of their child being a sex worker.

Why

Does the concept of degeneracy not exist to you?
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tennisdude818 posted...

CyricZ posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

A parent should be ashamed of their child being a sex worker.

Why

Does the concept of degeneracy not exist to you?

Degeneracy is subjective
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tennisdude818 posted...

CyricZ posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

A parent should be ashamed of their child being a sex worker.

Why

Does the concept of degeneracy not exist to you?

Can you try explaining your point directly? What is "degeneracy" and why is it something to be ashamed of?
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What is and is not considered degenerate changes regularly.

"We only care about the law when we can use it to fuck with those evil whores"
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Incitatus posted...

Would you be proud?

If my child were happy and safe with what they were doing, yes, I'd be proud.

tennisdude818 posted...

Does the concept of degeneracy not exist to you?

Explain to me what's degenerate about sex work. If you haven't figured it out, I'm asking you to lay out all your cards. Just sniping me with insults isn't going to work for this argument.
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Let me lay out my cards: I suspect he has ideas he's never tried to clarify, and so he's going to have trouble actually making sense of them if he bothers to try.
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Guide posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

CyricZ posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

A parent should be ashamed of their child being a sex worker.

Why

Does the concept of degeneracy not exist to you?

Can you try explaining your point directly? What is "degeneracy" and why is it something to be ashamed of?

Banging 500 desperate guys for money or being a cam girl for thousands of people is degenerate for anyone who isnt a flower power nudist. If you really want to, you can easily find a Vsauce video on why humans find nudity embarrassing. That is cross cultural and goes way back with very few exceptions.
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Okay, but that doesn't answer my question.

You already said/implied "this is degenerate". I'm asking what that means and why it's bad.
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lmao what the fuck are you talking about
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tennisdude818 posted...

If you really want to, you can easily find a Vsauce video on why humans find nudity embarrassing.

But that would just explain why humans find nudity embarrassing, and you're putting no real effort into attaching that to sex work and your proclaimed degeneracy of it.

Match not found.
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tennisdude818 posted...

being a cam girl for thousands of people is degenerate

But why?

No other job that involves a person taking advantage of their physical assets to make money is considered degenerate.
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Guide posted...

Okay, but that doesn't answer my question.

You already said/implied "this is degenerate". I'm asking what that means and why it's bad.

The idea behind embarrassment and nudity is that people have some standards when it comes to sexual partners. Im not saying sex work should be illegal, Im as libertarian as they come. Banging a girl who treats her body as community property is unappealing for a lot of people. If you raise a girl to not be ashamed of literally being a whore, you are automatically making her extremely unappealing to a massive pool of respectable men who would otherwise start a family with her.
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Isn't belittling sex workers a turn on for them?
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tennisdude818 posted...

If you raise a girl to not be ashamed of literally being a whore

I find it telling you didn't just use "prostitute" here.
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tennisdude818 posted...

The idea behind embarrassment and nudity is that people have some standards when it comes to sexual partners. Im not saying sex work should be illegal, Im as libertarian as they come. Banging a girl who treats her body as community property is unappealing for a lot of people. If you raise a girl to not be ashamed of literally being a whore, you are automatically making her extremely unappealing to a massive pool of respectable men who would otherwise start a family with her.

Well, that's trying to have your cake and eat it, too, isn't it.

"You can be involved in sex work all you want, but I'm going to belittle you for it and shame you."

You can stop lying about being libertarian any time. You're just a normal dank-ass conservative.
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CyricZ posted...

You can stop lying about being libertarian any time. You're just a normal dank-ass conservative.

A libertarian is just a conservative that likes weed.

IIRC that dude is a trump supporter too
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People's attitude toward sex is horrifying here. It's just sex. It's not degrading, it's not humiliating. It's enjoyable. Aren't you supposed to find work you enjoy? Isn't that one of the most popular sayings among workers, find a job you love and you'll never work a day in your life? God forbid people enjoy sex and use it as a basis for income. If giving an epic handy is in someone's skillset, and they enjoy it and can get paid a hefty sum for it, why should they bag groceries? So prudes, Christians and old people respect them? Yeah, fuck that. Fuck anybody that thinks they can look down on others that way.

The world's oldest profession should be legalized and there is no rational argument against such.
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Chicken_Butt posted...

People's attitude toward sex is horrifying here. It's just sex. It's not degrading, it's not humiliating. It's enjoyable. Aren't you supposed to find work you enjoy? Isn't that one of the most popular sayings among workers, find a job you love and you'll never work a day in your life? God forbid people enjoy sex and use it as a basis for income. If giving an epic handy is in someone's skillset, and they enjoy it and can get paid a hefty sum for it, why should they bag groceries? So prudes, Christians and old people respect them? Yeah, fuck that. Fuck anybody that thinks they can look down on others that way.

It's really bizarre how many people from this generation who aren't even religious themselves have suddenly started shilling for this moral panic Christian puritan values shit
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tennisdude818 posted...

Guide posted...

Okay, but that doesn't answer my question.

You already said/implied "this is degenerate". I'm asking what that means and why it's bad.

The idea behind embarrassment and nudity is that people have some standards when it comes to sexual partners. Im not saying sex work should be illegal, Im as libertarian as they come. Banging a girl who treats her body as community property is unappealing for a lot of people. If you raise a girl to not be ashamed of literally being a whore, you are automatically making her extremely unappealing to a massive pool of respectable men who would otherwise start a family with her.

Okay, but why would you be concerned with other men instead of your daughter, and what if she doesn't want a family? These are things, maybe, to talk over with her before she gets on this job path.
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Duncanwii posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

you're selling your dignity as a human, reducing yourself to a piece of flesh to be used for pleasure. thats why its not considered on even the same level as bagging groceries or flipping burgers
also they dont pay taxes and a lot of them are shit humans

I'll counter this with another quote in the topic:

UnfairRepresent posted...

If your religion deems it offensive then that's on you, not the job

That doesn't counter it. Sex work being shameful is way beyond being offensive to religion.

Sex work is an industry that pressures women into doing things they don't actually want to do most of the time, actual rape occurring in porn videos that then get put on the internet, and having an effect on society that makes men and women especially feel like they're not enough for the partner they'll have in life.

Sex work is shameful because its practice is rooted deep in history as a way to oppress and use women for pleasure, and because so many of the current porn stars, pro or amateur, have only done it because they had nothing else going on in life
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CyricZ posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

The idea behind embarrassment and nudity is that people have some standards when it comes to sexual partners. Im not saying sex work should be illegal, Im as libertarian as they come. Banging a girl who treats her body as community property is unappealing for a lot of people. If you raise a girl to not be ashamed of literally being a whore, you are automatically making her extremely unappealing to a massive pool of respectable men who would otherwise start a family with her.

Well, that's trying to have your cake and eat it, too, isn't it.

"You can be involved in sex work all you want, but I'm going to belittle you for it and shame you."

You can stop lying about being libertarian any time. You're just a normal dank-ass conservative.

Dumb post. I think it should be legal to drink your ass off every day, and I also think it's a terrible idea to drink your ass off every day.
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Perascamin posted...

Duncanwii posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

you're selling your dignity as a human, reducing yourself to a piece of flesh to be used for pleasure. thats why its not considered on even the same level as bagging groceries or flipping burgers
also they dont pay taxes and a lot of them are shit humans

I'll counter this with another quote in the topic:

UnfairRepresent posted...

If your religion deems it offensive then that's on you, not the job

That doesn't counter it. Sex work being shameful is way beyond being offensive to religion.

Sex work is an industry that pressures women into doing things they don't actually want to do most of the time, actual rape occurring in porn videos that then get put on the internet, and having an effect on society that makes men and women especially feel like they're not enough for the partner they'll have in life.

Sex work is shameful because its practice is rooted deep in history as a way to oppress and use women for pleasure, and because so many of the current porn stars, pro or amateur, have only done it because they had nothing else going on in life

I don't see how this is different from getting any other job you hate, though. Economic pressure forces many people to do things they don't want to do.
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Guide posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

Guide posted...

Okay, but that doesn't answer my question.

You already said/implied "this is degenerate". I'm asking what that means and why it's bad.

The idea behind embarrassment and nudity is that people have some standards when it comes to sexual partners. Im not saying sex work should be illegal, Im as libertarian as they come. Banging a girl who treats her body as community property is unappealing for a lot of people. If you raise a girl to not be ashamed of literally being a whore, you are automatically making her extremely unappealing to a massive pool of respectable men who would otherwise start a family with her.

Okay, but why would you be concerned with other men instead of your daughter, and what if she doesn't want a family? These are things, maybe, to talk over with her before she gets on this job path.

The nuclear family is the optimal way to raise kids. It makes sense that societal norms would prioritize habits that encourage the nuclear family. That involves acting in a way that makes you look like an attractive and reliable long term partner.
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Perascamin posted...

Sex work is shameful because its practice is rooted deep in history as a way to oppress and use women for pleasure

I and many other sex work advocates are aware of the sordid history of sex work.

The thing is sex work is not going to go away. It remains a demand for society, no matter how little we want to admit it, and no amount of shaming or proselytism in thousands of years has done a lick of changing that.

If we cannot remove it as a demand, the focus should instead be to provide a supply that is safe and regulated for all involved. To create an industry where the workers are in control of their own agency.
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tennisdude818 posted...

Dumb post. I think it should be legal to drink your ass off every day, and I also think it's a terrible idea to drink your ass off every day.

So really all you want to create is a society where vice is allowed and you can feel superior to others because you didn't indulge.
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tennisdude818 posted...

Guide posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

Guide posted...

Okay, but that doesn't answer my question.

You already said/implied "this is degenerate". I'm asking what that means and why it's bad.

The idea behind embarrassment and nudity is that people have some standards when it comes to sexual partners. Im not saying sex work should be illegal, Im as libertarian as they come. Banging a girl who treats her body as community property is unappealing for a lot of people. If you raise a girl to not be ashamed of literally being a whore, you are automatically making her extremely unappealing to a massive pool of respectable men who would otherwise start a family with her.

Okay, but why would you be concerned with other men instead of your daughter, and what if she doesn't want a family? These are things, maybe, to talk over with her before she gets on this job path.

The nuclear family is the optimal way to raise kids. It makes sense that societal norms would prioritize habits that encourage the nuclear family. That involves acting in a way that makes you look like an attractive and reliable long term partner.

Yes, but who says she wants to raise kids? If she might at some point, then again, maybe discuss these things with her.
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CyricZ posted...

Perascamin posted...

Sex work is shameful because its practice is rooted deep in history as a way to oppress and use women for pleasure

I and many other sex work advocates are aware of the sordid history of sex work.

The thing is sex work is not going to go away. It remains a demand for society, no matter how little we want to admit it, and no amount of shaming or proselytism in thousands of years has done a lick of changing that.

If we cannot remove it as a demand, the focus should instead be to provide a supply that is safe and regulated for all involved. To create an industry where the workers are in control of their own agency.

That's never going go happen and you know it. The powerful porn companies may hide behind positive messaging campaigns and being "transparent", but in the end there's a group of men and probably a few women who want to use people like you and your body until you're "worn out" and "worthless" then toss you to the side when the next young, barely able to critically think prospect comes up.
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tennisdude818 posted...

The nuclear family is the optimal way to raise kids. It makes sense that societal norms would prioritize habits that encourage the nuclear family. That involves acting in a way that makes you look like an attractive and reliable long term partner.

Regardless of whether this is proven, what is it about sex work that negates one's ability to have a nuclear family?
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tennisdude818 posted...

The nuclear family is the optimal way to raise kids. It makes sense that societal norms would prioritize habits that encourage the nuclear family. That involves acting in a way that makes you look like an attractive and reliable long term partner.

See this is exactly what I'm talking about

A fairly young person who's not religious themselves shilling for these old traditional ideals that religious folks hock
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CyricZ posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

Dumb post. I think it should be legal to drink your ass off every day, and I also think it's a terrible idea to drink your ass off every day.

So really all you want to create is a society where vice is allowed and you can feel superior to others because you didn't indulge.

I guess I see why you would make this error. You're a leftist, and for leftists it's the State's job to pick up where the Church left off in enforcing morality.
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Working in porn or as a glamour model for one of those companies in Europe and Japan (or even just Playboy) is a job, being a cam girl on Instagram is not a job.
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Perascamin posted...

That's never going go happen and you know it.

Well not with that attitude.

There are always going to be people looking to take advantage of others in any industry. Acting like porn has some kind of monopoly on taking advantage of its workers is silly. With more and more online exposure for sex workers, the focus should absolutely be on protecting them from bad bosses. I never said it was going to be easy, but I think it's a better track than trying to shame the industry into non-existence.
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CyricZ posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

The nuclear family is the optimal way to raise kids. It makes sense that societal norms would prioritize habits that encourage the nuclear family. That involves acting in a way that makes you look like an attractive and reliable long term partner.

Regardless of whether this is proven, what is it about sex work that negates one's ability to have a nuclear family?

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