Current Events > Is Red Dead Redemption 2 too realistic for you?

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In terms of sleeping, eating , cleaning your horse and etc

Or does it add more fun to the game.
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It'll be good once it comes out to pc with some decent mods.
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I don't mind those elements.

they're notable enough for people who want that kind of stuff, but passive enough where you can play the game if you want to ignore them
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boxington posted...

I don't mind those elements.

they're notable enough for people who want that kind of stuff, but passive enough where you can play the game if you want to ignore them

no, if you want to ignore them theyre extremely noticeable and annoying. the wanted and honor systems are also royally fucked
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It adds more fun tbh, I take everything a bit more slowly to immerse myself
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The wanted system is fucked though Ill give you that. But if you just wanna have fun you can put cheats on, it wont save I believe
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Honestly the only thing that got on my nerves was Arthur getting dirty.
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idk, I don't really like survival mechanics in games, so I mostly ignored them in RDR2.

unless if you count washing and sleeping - the former because I didn't want Arthur looking gross, and to bring back Arthur's health with the latter, if there was no food in the inventory

the bounty system was annoying (but people were saying something about how using different horses and outfits might help), but I don't see what's wrong with the honor thing

edit: at post 4
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I am on my second playthrough. I adore it.
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you can ignore all those and it doesn't really change the game play that significantly, besides food being health of course.
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pres_madagascar posted...

I am on my second playthrough. I adore it.

I was genuinely surprised how much I fell in love with this game. I dont play many games these days, the most fun I had in recent memory was probably playing XCOM2, but this game has probably been the highlight of my gaming as an adult, most AAA games thats story driven just dont do much for me these days. On my second play through as well, doing as much as I can to do by chapter 2 to 100%.
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also arthurs on foot movement is fucked. if you need to make minute adjustments like when youre sneaking or trying to move around cover or if youre in a tight space good fucking luck moving where you want to move
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True
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i loved the game. it could use a fast travel option to the camp though. and good LORD is taking a train to saint denis annoying as fuck. my horse would be on the wrong side of the train every time.
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The controls are a bit clunky, the text is too small, no way to view the tips either...

The survival stuff can mostly be ignored. Water washes you and the horse, you often pass water if you're traveling.

Food and sleep is strictly a roleplaying or health purpose.
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pauIie posted...

i loved the game. it could use a fast travel option to the camp though. and good LORD is taking a train to saint denis annoying as fuck. my horse would be on the wrong side of the train every time.

Ive learned to just set a way point, go into cinematic camera, and just diddle online while my horse makes it way
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No.
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People, this game isn't perfect but the "royally fucked" stuff is way over the top. The wanted system is actually pretty forgiving (you can often get away with a crime even if it's witnessed as long as you bail before law shows up). The controls are not bad (try lightly pressing the stick to move slightly). The "survival" stuff is minimal not to mention pretty standard (eat some beans or tonic to regain health).
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It really isn't realistic
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The law system is pretty forgiving, I'll agree there. So many people made it seem like simply walking in a town would trigger people.

Sure, the a.i pathing isn't the best but I only get in trouble if I'm really trying.
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I wish it was more realistic tbqh. Give me hunger, give me thirst, give me the nicotine shakes. I'm roleplaying the hell out of this game, but I wish the survival elements held more weight.
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Sleeping? I don't think I've ever slept unless forced by story/mission.
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people complain about the core management system but it's really not even half as bad as they make it out to be. I played through the entire game mostly ignoring eating, sure i was underweight but i literally didn't know until i looked in the menus.
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I didn't get how the core system worked until like hour 15 and it didn't hinder anything
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robellr13 posted...

In terms of sleeping, eating , cleaning your horse and etc

Or does it add more fun to the game.

The game never really forces sleep on you. Its not like once you stay up for a few in-game days, your character starts experiencing sleep deprivation.

Same with eating. Your character can be underweight/starving, but you never see any ill effects of this. Eating is basically used as healing in RDR2.

Theres a lot of optional stuff
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my big problem with RDR2's "realistic" features are that pretty much none of them add any value to the game, they just make things more tedious.

i don't want to have to make my dude sleep & eat, i dont want to have to groom my horse, i dont want to have to clean my guns, etc. none of that is fun or makes the game more immersive because at the end of the day it's managing meters and is ultimately very game-y

however i do like that arthur's hair grows in real-time, that is a cool touch
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Romulox28 posted...

i don't want to have to make my dude sleep & eat, i dont want to have to groom my horse, i dont want to have to clean my guns, etc. none of that is fun or makes the game more immersive because at the end of the day it's managing meters and is ultimately very game-y

You don't have to do any of that stuff if you don't want to. The game takes a pretty light touch with it.
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GregShmedley posted...

Romulox28 posted...

my big problem with RDR2's "realistic" features are that pretty much none of them add any value to the game, they just make things more tedious.

i don't want to have to make my dude sleep & eat, i dont want to have to groom my horse, i dont want to have to clean my guns, etc. none of that is fun or makes the game more immersive because at the end of the day it's managing meters and is ultimately very game-y

however i do like that arthur's hair grows in real-time, that is a cool touch

Have you even played the game? Because I've groomed my horse twice, slept less than ten times, cleaned my guns like maybe fifteen times (by choice, haven't really had any issues with dirty guns), and eat whenever my health is low--all with over 80 hours playing.

It really isn't as intrusive as people are making it out to be.

yea im up to chapter 3, i think still pretty early in that. maybe like 15 hours played.

i know you dont do that stuff a lot, im just saying from a design perspective i could lose like 90% of the little flavor/upkeep tasks in the game and id be happy. i feel like there are a lot of these little tasks that are not individually time constraining, but when you put them all together they make up a good deal of the gamplay of RDR2
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I get warnings to brush my horse every 10 minutes in game because it's always dirty
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I'd rather not have to slow down and respond to challenges from whoever's on guard every time I ride back into camp but it's not a huge deal.

One of them shot at me once before I realised what I had to do but I'm not sure if there's a chance they can even hit you or not.
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Makeveli_lives posted...

I get warnings to brush my horse every 10 minutes in game because it's always dirty

I brush my horse when I hitch it every so often.
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I agree that the rpg elements and animations wouldn't be missed. Sometimes a game needs to be a game. Nothing wrong with a mystery menu to see what they have (think Bioshock) instead of a drawn out looting animation.
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Without playing it, I already know that its way too realistic for my taste. Aint no way Im ever going to touch it.
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Looting a body takes 2 literary seconds like I don't know what people want.
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how can people be complaining about eating and stuff? it's not that big of a deal and can be ignored. the only downside is health/stamina regenerate more slowly...

honestly the only items that make any difference in gameplay are the snake oil or chewing tobacco, and that's only if you want to plow through gunfights using just dead-eye..

anything else and it helps a little but not enough to break the game if you ignore them..

my only real gripe is how long the skinning animation takes. I've gotten mauled by wolves or bears in the middle of skinning at least 5 or 6 times when i was playing...
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It's really not, people are way overblowing it.

-You get tons of food from hunting, and also from random looting. You never have to go out of your way to maintain your cores because of the abundance of food.

-Gun maintenance is barely an issue, once the condition gets to zero you spend a couple seconds using a gun oil to clean it and its back to perfect condition. Gun oil is cheap and you get tons of money so you never run out.

-Horse care is easy too, you can simply ride it through a river if it gets dirty or take a couple seconds to brush it. Also you can buy hay at any store which nearly fills its cores with a single feeding

Now, there can definitely be an argument for the idea that these mechanics shouldn't be in the game at all since you can mostly ignore them anyways and I can understand that. I just don't think they're a big deal and certainly shouldn't ruin the experience for anyone.
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I didn't sleep for a couple of days and I noticed Arthur looks like he's struggling to stay awake if you stand still. No idea if there was any other impact at that point. It happened because of time skips during missions.
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Darmik posted...

I didn't sleep for a couple of days and I noticed Arthur looks like he's struggling to stay awake if you stand still. No idea if there was any other impact at that point. It happened because of time skips during missions.

He does that when his health core is low.
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MC_BatCommander posted...

It's really not, people are way overblowing it.

-You get tons of food from hunting, and also from random looting. You never have to go out of your way to maintain your cores because of the abundance of food.

-Gun maintenance is barely an issue, once the condition gets to zero you spend a couple seconds using a gun oil to clean it and its back to perfect condition. Gun oil is cheap and you get tons of money so you never run out.

-Horse care is easy too, you can simply ride it through a river if it gets dirty or take a couple seconds to brush it. Also you can buy hay at any store which nearly fills its cores with a single feeding

Now, there can definitely be an argument for the idea that these mechanics shouldn't be in the game at all since you can mostly ignore them anyways and I can understand that. I just don't think they're a big deal and certainly shouldn't ruin the experience for anyone.

Oatcakes completely fill all horse cores, and are like $4 a box.
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MC_BatCommander posted...

It's really not, people are way overblowing it.

-You get tons of food from hunting, and also from random looting. You never have to go out of your way to maintain your cores because of the abundance of food.

-Gun maintenance is barely an issue, once the condition gets to zero you spend a couple seconds using a gun oil to clean it and its back to perfect condition. Gun oil is cheap and you get tons of money so you never run out.

-Horse care is easy too, you can simply ride it through a river if it gets dirty or take a couple seconds to brush it. Also you can buy hay at any store which nearly fills its cores with a single feeding

Now, there can definitely be an argument for the idea that these mechanics shouldn't be in the game at all since you can mostly ignore them anyways and I can understand that. I just don't think they're a big deal and certainly shouldn't ruin the experience for anyone.

but does any of that stuff add value to the game or increase your enjoyment? if something like, say, cleaning your gun is so simple & easy to do, why even include it at all? i dont feel more involved in my character or the story because i saw red lines on a bar graph and pressed the X button to watch an animation of my guy wipe a gun
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Romulox28 posted...

but does any of that stuff add value to the game or increase your enjoyment? if something like, say, cleaning your gun is so simple & easy to do, why even include it at all? i dont feel more involved in my character or the story because i saw red lines on a bar graph and pressed the X button to watch an animation of my guy wipe a gun

Again, per my last statement I was not arguing for those mechanics. Just saying that they shouldn't ruin the experience for anyone who is worried that the game is too realistic.

I actually agree that since they're so shallow they add pretty much nothing interesting to the gameplay.
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I rarely ever do any of that stuff. My Arthur is underweight, and my horse has been malnourished since forever, yet I still manage to win races.
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Romulox28 posted...

MC_BatCommander posted...

It's really not, people are way overblowing it.

-You get tons of food from hunting, and also from random looting. You never have to go out of your way to maintain your cores because of the abundance of food.

-Gun maintenance is barely an issue, once the condition gets to zero you spend a couple seconds using a gun oil to clean it and its back to perfect condition. Gun oil is cheap and you get tons of money so you never run out.

-Horse care is easy too, you can simply ride it through a river if it gets dirty or take a couple seconds to brush it. Also you can buy hay at any store which nearly fills its cores with a single feeding

Now, there can definitely be an argument for the idea that these mechanics shouldn't be in the game at all since you can mostly ignore them anyways and I can understand that. I just don't think they're a big deal and certainly shouldn't ruin the experience for anyone.

but does any of that stuff add value to the game or increase your enjoyment? if something like, say, cleaning your gun is so simple & easy to do, why even include it at all? i dont feel more involved in my character or the story because i saw red lines on a bar graph and pressed the X button to watch an animation of my guy wipe a gun

All those things, for me, contribute to making your presence in the world palpable and consequential.
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The wanted system is the antithesis of fun

The game eats inputs like candy

The animations are needless and tedious

Everything is needlessly slow to accomodate said animations

The plot is a goddamn fucking atrocity, and although the character writing is impeccable, its supremely disappointing in how little any of it actually amounts to

The aiming is garbage

The horses control like utter shit

The number of ambient events or what have you that are missable and are never spawned again is laughable, and the fact that so many are one and done makes the world feel lifeless after a certain point

The micromanagement is often overwhelming, and a great many features are locked behind endless button tapping and holding through assorted menus and needlessly limited resources. Seriously, the special ammo types and various buffs you can get are pretty tight, but I almost never use them because of how needlessly convoluted the process of getting them is; the lack of batch crafting and the obscene and inefficient resource use is unbearable.

Keeping Arthur at an acceptable weight is a fuckin herculean feat.

Its a really fun game with some enormous flaws that Im positive R* will never bother to fix.
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Also money is COMPLETELY worthless like a third of the way into the game, and it could have easily been given purpose by... letting you buy the special ammo types, foods, and so on.
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butthole666 posted...

Also money is COMPLETELY worthless like a third of the way into the game, and it could have easily been given purpose by... letting you buy the special ammo types, foods, and so on.

I do buy special ammo. There's zero reason to use regular ammo in this game.

butthole666 posted...

The wanted system is the antithesis of fun

The game eats inputs like candy

The animations are needless and tedious

Everything is needlessly slow to accomodate said animations

The plot is a goddamn fucking atrocity, and although the character writing is impeccable, its supremely disappointing in how little any of it actually amounts to

The aiming is garbage

The horses control like utter shit

The number of ambient events or what have you that are missable and are never spawned again is laughable, and the fact that so many are one and done makes the world feel lifeless after a certain point

The micromanagement is often overwhelming, and a great many features are locked behind endless button tapping and holding through assorted menus and needlessly limited resources. Seriously, the special ammo types and various buffs you can get are pretty tight, but I almost never use them because of how needlessly convoluted the process of getting them is; the lack of batch crafting and the obscene and inefficient resource use is unbearable.

Keeping Arthur at an acceptable weight is a fuckin herculean feat.

Its a really fun game with some enormous flaws that Im positive R* will never bother to fix.

I never ate except when I needed to refill my health core, and I finished the game at perfect weight for Arthur.
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pres_madagascar posted...

I never ate except when I needed to refill my health core, and I finished the game at perfect weight for Arthur.

idk how you did that, I always had him underweight and I ate fairly often. That said, being underweight is fine because it means more stamina at the cost of less health.
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