Current Events > NY times calls RDR2 "true art" on par with The Godfather or Sopranos..

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/23/opinion/sunday/red-dead-redemption-2-fallout-76-video-games.html

Discuss.
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lol
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It's true that it's an art
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Arthur: maybe we shouldn't be stupid about this
Dutch:

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everyone knows video games can't be art
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The Godfather has a part 3
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To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand RDR2
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Reminds me of one dude on the Skyrim board who used to always seriously talk about how New Vegas was the best written form of media ever.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand RDR2

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glitteringfairy posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand RDR2

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Shotgunnova posted...

Arthur: maybe we shouldn't be stupid about this
Dutch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CTeLy3Ujxc" data-time="

This is the best post I've ever seen from a moderator of gamefaqs.gamespot.com.
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Lol imaginr comparing a fucking rockstar game to the Godfather.

Or comparing the Sopranos to it even.

Fucking yeeshka.
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Your fanboyism over this game is just getting creepy now.
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cool if the writer feels that way
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All_My_Life posted...

Your fanboyism over this game is just getting creepy now.

You just have me confused with someone else.
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I love RDR 2 but calling it on par with The Godfather is just crazy talk.
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this is the relevant part of the article:

But the best games reveal a mass cultural medium that has come fully into its own, artistically flourishing in ways that resemble the movie industry during its 20th-century peak and television over the past 20 years. From The Searchers to The Godfather, from The Sopranos to The Americans, what connects these eras, and their most outstanding works, is a shared ambition, a desire to be both grand and granular, telling individual stories against the backdrop of national and cultural identity, deconstructing their genres while advancing the form.

If ever a video game has risen to the level of those classics, its Red Dead Redemption 2. With an enormous production budget, seven years of development and a script running about 2,000 pages just for the main story, it might well be the most ambitious game ever made.

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Boring realism is art

Sure

RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

I love RDR 2 but calling it on par with The Godfather is just crazy talk.

The Godfather isnt this untouchable piece of media.
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The most ambitious game ever made is Elder Scrolls: Daggerfall
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Ebert is probably rolling in his grave right now.
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TheCurseX2 posted...

The most ambitious game ever made is Elder Scrolls: Daggerfall

Ambitious isnt the only descriptor that matters here.

Its a culmination of many things.
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It is the best movie I've seen all year
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Kineth posted...

Ebert is probably rolling in his grave right now.

Ebert had a lot of silly, outdated opinions.
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SwayM posted...

Kineth posted...

Ebert is probably rolling in his grave right now.

Ebert had a lot of silly, outdated opinions.

Honestly, this. He gave Anaconda 3/4 stars lmfao
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RebelElite791 posted...

Reminds me of one dude on the Skyrim board who used to always seriously talk about how New Vegas was the best written form of media ever.

At least that's kinda true.
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RebelElite791 posted...

Reminds me of one dude on the Skyrim board who used to always seriously talk about how New Vegas was the best written form of media ever.

He ain't wrong!!!
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tbh art is art, calling some things 'true' or 'fake' art is weird
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NinjaBreakfast posted...

tbh art is art, calling some things 'true' or 'fake' art is weird

Like someone smearing human faeces onto a canvas, that's an artist making art. But a beautifully intricate meter tall painting of a castle is just as much a piece of art as shit-guy's poop art.

Art is not a synonym for "quality".
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RDR2 will never be featured in the Smithsonian, unlike Metal Gear Solid 2, the first Post-modern Video game
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MrMallard posted...

NinjaBreakfast posted...

tbh art is art, calling some things 'true' or 'fake' art is weird

Like someone smearing human faeces onto a canvas, that's an artist making art. But a beautifully intricate meter tall painting of a castle is just as much a piece of art as shit-guy's poop art.

Art is not a synonym for "quality".

But that's even an extreme example of what people might think is real or 'fake' art. Lots of people out there think anything outside of landscapes or portrait paintings aren't art which is just dumb (and usually leads to other reactionary views but I digress)
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SwayM posted...

TheCurseX2 posted...

The most ambitious game ever made is Elder Scrolls: Daggerfall

Ambitious isnt the only descriptor that matters here.

Its a culmination of many things.

RDR2 isn't a good game. It's the same trap other shit like Last of Us falls into and that is you go on Youtube, watch a cutscene compilation and you've experienced the high point of the "game."

The gameplay itself is a chore.
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Irony posted...

The Godfather has a part 3

but RDR2 is the part 3 of Red Dead series.
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I disagree. RDR2 isn't as boring as The Godfather.
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I honestly can't be bothered to give a shit who thinks video games are art or not anymore.

It's become one of the most neckbeardy things to argue about IMO.

People just need to enjoy their damn games.
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Gamings cultural reputation is born partly from the sense that playing is a way of avoiding responsibility, of escaping into virtual worlds where nothing matters. But Red Dead Redemption 2 is a game about both making choices and living with them, about taking responsibility for how youve lived.

Its a game, in other words, that implicitly tells its players to grow up and its as sure a sign as any that video games are starting to do just that

So its art because of that particular theme? VGs could be art but not because of this bullshit, condescending reason. Get fucked NY Times.
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That's an opinion piece. It's Peter Suderman's claim, not the New York Times claim.

It is a work of art.
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It seems the writer just played a game with choices for the first time in his life and thinks that is an entirely new concept, then writes an article about it like he just discovered El Dorado.
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HylianFox posted...

everyone knows video games can't be art

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Isnt NYT the ultimate sjw place? Shouldnt they be hating it for its use of white people?

OBCD posted...

Isnt NYT the ultimate sjw place? Shouldnt they be hating it for its use of white people?

If you ever played it, there's actually a lot of minorities in it.
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TheCurseX2 posted...

SwayM posted...

TheCurseX2 posted...

The most ambitious game ever made is Elder Scrolls: Daggerfall

Ambitious isnt the only descriptor that matters here.

Its a culmination of many things.

RDR2 isn't a good game. It's the same trap other shit like Last of Us falls into and that is you go on Youtube, watch a cutscene compilation and you've experienced the high point of the "game."

The gameplay itself is a chore.

Classic case of "it's not for you dude"

Some people don't like Pizza, but good luck trying to convince everyone else.
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I agree R2D2 always had an impact on my childhood with all his beep boops.
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Ricemills posted...

Irony posted...

The Godfather has a part 3

but RDR2 is the part 3 of Red Dead series.

So it's the opposite of Godfather
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The fact that they couldn't think of anything but male-driven gangster media to compare it to shows the limitations of the reviewer's mind.

wah_wah_wah posted...

The fact that they couldn't think of anything but male-driven gangster media to compare it to shows the limitations of the reviewer's mind.

no

what is important is the positive reaction when thinking about the displayed series

i.e. RDR2 is likened to (critically acclaimed, well received gangster media)
the people that have viewed the media will instinctively think of memories associated with it (e.g. "oh i totally saw that character doing it, but they did it in such a cool way!") and elicit a positive response. due to the nature of media, the quick transition from reading "RDR 2 is like art" (from a reputable media corporation, giving it more power) to reading names of series they enjoyed or are likely to have enjoyed, and the positive reaction, you associate that positivity with RDR 2

want an example at how easily words control people? go post on facebook or reddit or in your guild of whatever mmo you play about how you think it's a shitty game. watch how people will vehemently jump to defend it because they enjoy it; they do not care to see if you mean what you mean. hell, there are people in this world that might even unfriend you from the other 5000 people on facebook they dont ever talk to for saying such a thing.

as an added bonus, i think rdr2 is overhyped garbage and will never touch it.

gaurenteed replied of people defending it, even though the entire point of this post is how easily you can associate words with feelings and react on it. hylics will never understand LOL
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Ulyanyx posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

The fact that they couldn't think of anything but male-driven gangster media to compare it to shows the limitations of the reviewer's mind.

no

what is important is the positive reaction when thinking about the displayed series

i.e. RDR2 is likened to (critically acclaimed, well received gangster media)
the people that have viewed the media will instinctively think of memories associated with it (e.g. "oh i totally saw that character doing it, but they did it in such a cool way!") and elicit a positive response. due to the nature of media, the quick transition from reading "RDR 2 is like art" (from a reputable media corporation, giving it more power) to reading names of series they enjoyed or are likely to have enjoyed, and the positive reaction, you associate that positivity with RDR 2

want an example at how easily words control people? go post on facebook or reddit or in your guild of whatever mmo you play about how you think it's a shitty game. watch how people will vehemently jump to defend it because they enjoy it; they do not care to see if you mean what you mean. hell, there are people in this world that might even unfriend you from the other 5000 people on facebook they dont ever talk to for saying such a thing.

as an added bonus, i think rdr2 is overhyped garbage and will never touch it.

gaurenteed replied of people defending it, even though the entire point of this post is how easily you can associate words with feelings and react on it. hylics will never understand LOL

Just that you had to filibuster that much about my quick statement shows I'm at least partially right.

is it better than Flight of the Navigator though?
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