Current Events > What is the likelihood IYO that Smash Ultimate will suck?

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No one knows how the game will play without playing it. All we know is Sakurai regards Melee as a mistake, and then made two sequels that reflect this opinion. If anything, I'd expect to see evidence the game has changed in its set ways to dumb everything down and try to make winners out of losers.

Weird to see people so intent on thinking it's just going to straight up suck and be awful.

I mean, you may not like it, but it's definitely not going to be objectively bad .

CE is so damned weird when it comes to measuring value on things like this.

t_paynes_ghost posted...

Weird to see people so intent on thinking it's just going to straight up suck and be awful.

I mean, you may not like it, but it's definitely not going to be objectively bad .

CE is so damned weird when it comes to measuring value on things like this.

its kewl to hate on popular things :thumbsup:
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All I said was that it looked disappointing to me and then everyone flipped out and called me a dumbass. I didn't say it looked objectively bad or terrible. I said it was a disappointment for ME
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Wildspark posted...

All I said was that it looked disappointing to me and then everyone flipped out and called me a dumbass. I didn't say it looked objectively bad or terrible. I said it was a disappointment for ME

You did word your first few posts carefully and well, but I wasn't referencing you specifically either, more of a generality.

Wildspark posted...

All I said was that it looked disappointing to me and then everyone flipped out and called me a dumbass. I didn't say it looked objectively bad or terrible. I said it was a disappointment for ME

No that's not what you said fam. Stop backpedaling

You said it looked exactly the same as Smash 4, just with new characters. If you just said it looks disappointing, no one would care, but you made a dumb claim that's easily disproven if you just looked up some information

WhyYouSoSTANK posted...

Wildspark posted...

All I said was that it looked disappointing to me and then everyone flipped out and called me a dumbass. I didn't say it looked objectively bad or terrible. I said it was a disappointment for ME

No that's not what you said fam. Stop backpedaling

You said it looked exactly the same as Smash 4, just with new characters. If you just said it looks disappointing, no one would care, but you made a dumb claim that's easily disproven if you just looked up some information

Wildspark posted...

Its basically exactly the same as 4, so its a disappointment to me because nothing sets it apart. Wow, it has all the characters?! Who cares? Change up the gameplay

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0.000000000000000001 %
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0%
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Like 0.5%
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Wildspark posted...

WhyYouSoSTANK posted...

Wildspark posted...

All I said was that it looked disappointing to me and then everyone flipped out and called me a dumbass. I didn't say it looked objectively bad or terrible. I said it was a disappointment for ME

No that's not what you said fam. Stop backpedaling

You said it looked exactly the same as Smash 4, just with new characters. If you just said it looks disappointing, no one would care, but you made a dumb claim that's easily disproven if you just looked up some information

Wildspark posted...

Its basically exactly the same as 4, so its a disappointment to me because nothing sets it apart. Wow, it has all the characters?! Who cares? Change up the gameplay

Now read the words right before that. That's why people attacked you

Most people will love it.

Melee fans will find dumb reasons to bitch about it.
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0% chance that it will suck, but 99% chance that it isn't good enough to be called "ultimate"
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

People who have played it basically say it's the best since Melee.

They said that about SSB4

TheMarthKoopa posted...

Guaranteed to suck. Shoving more characters and stages in while doing nothing to help the stale, shallow gameplay will for sure result in a bad game.

So since MarthKoopa said it, the opposite must be true then
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Hairistotle posted...

Ic3Bullet posted...

Hairistotle posted...

theyre all the same imo so if u like 1 u like em all

Brawl had bad physics.

idk seemed basically the same to me

Brawl was slow and floaty in comparison to Melee. It took me a little while to get used to it.
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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

People who have played it basically say it's the best since Melee.

They said that about SSB4

They were right then and they're right now.

Brawl is the only one that is worse than Melee.
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Plays good for me, I tried it at the stands didn't see anything wrong with it didn't feel bad either.
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Wildspark posted...

Its basically exactly the same as 4, so its a disappointment to me because nothing sets it apart. Wow, it has all the characters?! Who cares? Change up the gameplay

They did change up the gameplay. Air dodges are similar to Melees, spamming dodge on the ground reduces it distance traveled, edge grabbing works different, perfect shield has been tweaked, and final smashes can now be achieved through the use of a super meter.

This is just of the top of my head. There are more changes that Im forgetting.
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Looks like the best one since melee. It looks more fun to watch than 4 does. What makes melee fun to watch is the speed and flashiness of it.

The only thing I dont care for in ultimate is the slowing down effect. I feel like it takes away from the momentum of the fight. Hopefully you can turn those off.
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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

People who have played it basically say it's the best since Melee.

They said that about SSB4

Yep, so that means Ultimate is better than SSB4.
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Ic3Bullet posted...

TheMarthKoopa posted...

Guaranteed to suck. Shoving more characters and stages in while doing nothing to help the stale, shallow gameplay will for sure result in a bad game.

I mean thats kind of what Im thinking. But id be happy if I ended up being wrong.

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Slaya4 posted...

The only thing I dont care for in ultimate is the slowing down effect. I feel like it takes away from the momentum of the fight. Hopefully you can turn those off.

The what now

SSBU is going to sell a fuckload of copies in its first couple of days alone
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I never played SSB4, but I actually liked Brawl

so pretty low, this game looks great
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TheMarthKoopa posted...

Slaya4 posted...

The only thing I dont care for in ultimate is the slowing down effect. I feel like it takes away from the momentum of the fight. Hopefully you can turn those off.

The what now

If you hit someone with a powerful attack (falcon punch) on the point of impact there will a slow mo effect applied.
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ViewtifulGrave posted...

TheMarthKoopa posted...

Slaya4 posted...

The only thing I dont care for in ultimate is the slowing down effect. I feel like it takes away from the momentum of the fight. Hopefully you can turn those off.

The what now

If you hit someone with a powerful attack (falcon punch) on the point of impact there will a slow mo effect applied.

I think I might have only seen that apply when it's the winning strike.
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TheMarthKoopa posted...

Slaya4 posted...

The only thing I dont care for in ultimate is the slowing down effect. I feel like it takes away from the momentum of the fight. Hopefully you can turn those off.

The what now

In 1v1 matches only, certain character have certain powerful moves that slows the game just long enough to highlight that the move connected and then it resumes regular play. It lasts for like a second, maybe even less, and it's nothing that would ruin the flow.
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Very low. itll absolutely be great for people playing for fun and probably will be great for people playing seriously.
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Banjo2553 posted...

ViewtifulGrave posted...

TheMarthKoopa posted...

Slaya4 posted...

The only thing I dont care for in ultimate is the slowing down effect. I feel like it takes away from the momentum of the fight. Hopefully you can turn those off.

The what now

If you hit someone with a powerful attack (falcon punch) on the point of impact there will a slow mo effect applied.

I think I might have only seen that apply when it's the winning strike.

Its happened a few times where they didnt win and the match keeps going. Competitively, it can ruin the flow and it doesnt give it an excitement factor. If you can turn it off it difinitely make it more pleasurable to watch.
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I bought a Wii U just for smash and up until I got a switch last year, Id play it weekly

So glad its not just a port like MK8

I dont care about the player one mode, Im mostly going online to play with friends
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I think there's a 5%-10% chance it'll flop. I think it's gonna be fantastic, personally.
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t_paynes_ghost posted...

Weird to see people so intent on thinking it's just going to straight up suck and be awful.

I mean, you may not like it, but it's definitely not going to be objectively bad .

CE is so damned weird when it comes to measuring value on things like this.

There's no such thing as objectively bad anyway. But if you think it's going to be good simply because its loaded with content... that's kind of my problem with the last two Smash games. They equate bigger as being better, particularly Smash 4 where there's a clusterfuck of unsatisfying game modes to try to compensate for core gameplay tedium.

wah_wah_wah posted...

All we know is Sakurai regards Melee as a mistake, and then made two sequels that reflect this opinion.

If anything, I'd expect to see evidence the game has changed in its set ways to dumb everything down and try to make winners out of losers.

Sakurai needs to get his head out of his ass. He made an excellent game by mistake, got all pissy people liked playing it (enough that it achieved Starcraft status) and then decided to make brawl as a big fuck you to everyone who enjoyed the masterpiece that was Melee.

That said, Ive played a bit of smash 4. I like Melee better and smash 4 was very different but I cant honestly say it was bad. I tried so hard to like Brawl and it was awful with terrible mechanics and gameplay. Smash 4 was what brawl shouldve been. Melee was much different than 64, different isnt a crime but making a shitty game on purpose is.

I think if ultimate continues what smash 4 started I dont think itll turn out half bad.
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wah_wah_wah posted...

t_paynes_ghost posted...

Weird to see people so intent on thinking it's just going to straight up suck and be awful.

I mean, you may not like it, but it's definitely not going to be objectively bad .

CE is so damned weird when it comes to measuring value on things like this.

There's no such thing as objectively bad anyway. But if you think it's going to be good simply because its loaded with content... that's kind of my problem with the last two Smash games. They equate bigger as being better, particularly Smash 4 where there's a clusterfuck of unsatisfying game modes to try to compensate for core gameplay tedium.

There is absolutely such a thing as objectively bad. All art forms have various ways to determine whether something is objectively good or not.

That's not to say someone can't enjoy something that is objectively bad. I enjoy lot's of objectively bad things.

Cheetahmen is an objectively bad game.
Super Mario Bros. 3 is an objectively good game.

ViewtifulGrave posted...

TheMarthKoopa posted...

Slaya4 posted...

The only thing I dont care for in ultimate is the slowing down effect. I feel like it takes away from the momentum of the fight. Hopefully you can turn those off.

The what now

If you hit someone with a powerful attack (falcon punch) on the point of impact there will a slow mo effect applied.

Only in 1 vs 1
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EdgeMaster posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

All we know is Sakurai regards Melee as a mistake, and then made two sequels that reflect this opinion.

If anything, I'd expect to see evidence the game has changed in its set ways to dumb everything down and try to make winners out of losers.

Sakurai needs to get his head out of his ass. He made an excellent game by mistake, got all pissy people liked playing it (enough that it achieved Starcraft status) and then decided to make brawl as a big fuck you to everyone who enjoyed the masterpiece that was Melee.

That said, Ive played a bit of smash 4. I like Melee better and smash 4 was very different but I cant honestly say it was bad. I tried so hard to like Brawl and it was awful with terrible mechanics and gameplay. Smash 4 was what brawl shouldve been. Melee was much different than 64, different isnt a crime but making a shitty game on purpose is.

I think if ultimate continues what smash 4 started I dont think itll turn out half bad.

I actually don't mind that Brawl tried changing things up to bridge the skill gap. It was a noble effort that didn't work in the end. I have more of a problem with Smash 4 showing all that Sakurai didn't learn at all from the failure. He still thinks that the person that succeeds in a fast paced game will not succeed in a slow paced game. Either way, it's a fighting game. The people that can figure out systems are going to kill the people who can't. Might as well make the system fun rather than boring.

t_paynes_ghost posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

t_paynes_ghost posted...

Weird to see people so intent on thinking it's just going to straight up suck and be awful.

I mean, you may not like it, but it's definitely not going to be objectively bad .

CE is so damned weird when it comes to measuring value on things like this.

There's no such thing as objectively bad anyway. But if you think it's going to be good simply because its loaded with content... that's kind of my problem with the last two Smash games. They equate bigger as being better, particularly Smash 4 where there's a clusterfuck of unsatisfying game modes to try to compensate for core gameplay tedium.

There is absolutely such a thing as objectively bad. All art forms have various ways to determine whether something is objectively good or not.

That's not to say someone can't enjoy something that is objectively bad. I enjoy lot's of objectively bad things.

Cheetahmen is an objectively bad game.
Super Mario Bros. 3 is an objectively good game.

It is objective that critics hold a particular set of standards and tastes. That doesn't mean the standards and tastes are in themselves motivated by some objective truth. Some opinions have more detail and clarity than others, as well as more consensus, but they remain opinions and nothing objective.

wah_wah_wah posted...

It is objective that critics hold a particular set of standards and tastes. That doesn't mean the standards and tastes are in themselves motivated by some objective truth. Some opinions have more detail and clarity than others, as well as more consensus, but they remain opinions and nothing objective.

No some games are just objectively bad, like Big Rigs and Custer's Revenge.

why they're bad may be left to opinion but to deny these are bad games is to deny truth.
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It's already a flawed game because they didn't bring back Codecs.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

It is objective that critics hold a particular set of standards and tastes. That doesn't mean the standards and tastes are in themselves motivated by some objective truth. Some opinions have more detail and clarity than others, as well as more consensus, but they remain opinions and nothing objective.

No some games are just objectively bad, like Big Rigs and Custer's Revenge.

why they're bad may be left to opinion but to deny these are bad games is to deny truth.

Actually you have it backwards. The why might hold objective facts (Big Rigs has grammatical errors, Custer's Revenge gets the history wrong, etc.). The judgement of "bad" comes from your own beliefs that a game should have proper grammar in its text, or should attempt to approximate the history.

lmao @ this topic

"Is the game gonna be bad?"
"Yup. They ruined it."
"How?"
"THEY JUST DID"
"But how?"
"LOOK I DONT HAVE TO KNOW EVERYTHING. I SAW THE FIRST TRAILER AND I KNOW ITS SHIT."
"But"
"LALALALA SHUT UP"
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@_BIueMonk posted...

lmao @ this topic

"Is the game gonna be bad?"
"Yup. They ruined it."
"How?"
"THEY JUST DID"
"But how?"
"LOOK I DONT HAVE TO KNOW EVERYTHING. I SAW THE FIRST TRAILER AND I KNOW ITS SHIT."
"But"
"LALALALA SHUT UP"

More like
It looks the same to me as the last game
Youre wrong! lololol!
How am I wrong?
Youre wrong lololol
How though?
Youre wrong lololol
Okay...

I never claimed that they ruined anything so maybe you should learn how to read
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Wildspark posted...

More like
It looks the same to me as the last game
Youre wrong! lololol!
How am I wrong?
Youre wrong lololol
How though?
Youre wrong lololol
Okay...

You've been told multiple times about many differences between this game and Wii U. Here's you straight up ignoring some of them again for good measure straight from this page.

ViewtifulGrave posted...

Wildspark posted...

Its basically exactly the same as 4, so its a disappointment to me because nothing sets it apart. Wow, it has all the characters?! Who cares? Change up the gameplay

They did change up the gameplay. Air dodges are similar to Melees, spamming dodge on the ground reduces it distance traveled, edge grabbing works different, perfect shield has been tweaked, and final smashes can now be achieved through the use of a super meter.

This is just of the top of my head. There are more changes that Im forgetting.

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My dude, I literally acknowledged him in my last post. Like how about reading the entire thing before rushing to write a bullshit post just because you disageee with me? Everyone was just saying that I was wrong and I asked them a million times to prove that I wa strong and nobody provided any evidence of how the game was different from smash 4 until that guy
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Wildspark posted...

My dude, I literally acknowledged him in my last post. Like how about reading the entire thing before rushing to write a bullshit post just because you disageee with me? Everyone was just saying that I was wrong and I asked them a million times to prove that I wa strong and nobody provided any evidence of how the game was different from smash 4 until that guy

LMAO you fucking edited it in
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the only part I care about - ONLINE COMPETITIVE MODE - will suck so not buying it.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Wildspark posted...

My dude, I literally acknowledged him in my last post. Like how about reading the entire thing before rushing to write a bullshit post just because you disageee with me? Everyone was just saying that I was wrong and I asked them a million times to prove that I wa strong and nobody provided any evidence of how the game was different from smash 4 until that guy

LMAO you fucking edited it in

Before you even fucking posted LMAO
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Wildspark posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Wildspark posted...

My dude, I literally acknowledged him in my last post. Like how about reading the entire thing before rushing to write a bullshit post just because you disageee with me? Everyone was just saying that I was wrong and I asked them a million times to prove that I wa strong and nobody provided any evidence of how the game was different from smash 4 until that guy

LMAO you fucking edited it in

Before you even fucking posted LMAO

4 minute difference while I was typing up that reply. You ignored him completely in your original reply to bluemonk even though his post came well before bluemonk's.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Wildspark posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Wildspark posted...

My dude, I literally acknowledged him in my last post. Like how about reading the entire thing before rushing to write a bullshit post just because you disageee with me? Everyone was just saying that I was wrong and I asked them a million times to prove that I wa strong and nobody provided any evidence of how the game was different from smash 4 until that guy

LMAO you fucking edited it in

Before you even fucking posted LMAO

4 minute difference while I was typing up that reply. You ignored him completely in your original reply to bluemonk even though his post came well before bluemonk's.

I didnt ignore him. I didnt post in the topic at all after my last post and I just came back now
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