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FLUFFYGERM 11/21/18 10:25:04 AM #1:	https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/20/new-york-city-subway-bus-death-spiral-mta-fares MTA officials warned they may have to drastically cut service or increase fares as deficits are expected to hit nearly $1bn by 2022 New York Citys subway and bus service is already in crisis. It could be getting worse. And more expensive. Officials at the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) warned last week that without a major infusion of cash, they will have to drastically cut service or increase fares on the system that carries millions of New Yorkers around the city. Andy Byford the transit expert and veteran of the London Underground who was brought in almost a year ago to rescue the subway from a state many commuters considered rock bottom instead had to grapple with bad news. We dont want to go down this road. We absolutely do not. Its anathema to me, Byford, the president of New York City Transit, said at a board meeting. The systems financial straits have gotten worse in part because it has fewer riders, and is collecting less money in fares. Expected passenger revenue over a five-year period has dropped by $485m since July. Theyve entered this death spiral, said Benjamin Kabak, who runs the transit website Second Avenue Sagas. The subway service and the bus service has become unreliable enough for people to stop using it. If people arent using it, theres less money, and they have to keep raising fares without delivering better service. The authority is proposing a fare hike that would take effect in March. One option would raise the basic fare for a ride to $3 from the current $2.75. Another option would leave the base fare the same but increase the cost of monthly passes and eliminate bonuses for riders. They are also proposing $41m a year in service cuts, mainly increasing the time between trains and buses on some routes. And, if approved, the plan would delay the launch of faster bus routes. Those changes will still leave the MTA with massive deficits, expected to hit nearly $1bn a year by 2022. To tackle those deficits, officials say they would have to cut service more drastically, or raise fares by an additional 15%. All those troubles come without accounting for any money to pay for Byfords ambitious plan to actually turn around the crumbling subway system. That plan, which involves replacing an antiquated signal system that dates back to before the second world war, could cost $40bn. The subway hit a crisis last year, when a state of emergency was declared. Delays more than tripled, from about 20,000 a month in 2012 to more than 67,450 in May 2017. The delays cost New Yorkers more than $300m in lost work time a year, an independent budget study found. A year after an emergency plan was launched, more than a third of trains were still arriving late, though some modest improvements were notched this fall. The MTAs chairman, Joe Lhota, abruptly resigned this month, effective immediately. Things are moving slower than they were in 1950. And at the same time weve had three fare hikes. Riders are already paying more for less. This is in the richest city in the world, said Danny Pearlstein of the Riders Alliance. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:912791915] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote>https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/20/new-york-city-subway-bus-death-spiral-mta-fares MTA officials warned they may have to drastically cut service or increase fares as deficits are expected to hit nearly $1bn by 2022 New York Citys subway and bus service is already in crisis. It could be getting worse. And more expensive. Officials at the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) warned last week that without a major infusion of cash, they will have to drastically cut service or increase fares on the system that carries millions of New Yorkers around the city. Andy Byford the transit expert and veteran of the London Underground who was brought in almost a year ago to rescue the subway from a state many commuters considered rock bottom instead had to grapple with bad news. We dont want to go down this road. We absolutely do not. Its anathema to me, Byford, the president of New York City Transit, said at a board meeting. The systems financial straits have gotten worse in part because it has fewer riders, and is collecting less money in fares. Expected passenger revenue over a five-year period has dropped by $485m since July. Theyve entered this death spiral, said Benjamin Kabak, who runs the transit website Second Avenue Sagas. The subway service and the bus service has become unreliable enough for people to stop using it. If people arent using it, theres less money, and they have to keep raising fares without delivering better service. The authority is proposing a fare hike that would take effect in March. One option would raise the basic fare for a ride to $3 from the current $2.75. Another option would leave the base fare the same but increase the cost of monthly passes and eliminate bonuses for riders. They are also proposing $41m a year in service cuts, mainly increasing the time between trains and buses on some routes. And, if approved, the plan would delay the launch of faster bus routes. Those changes will still leave the MTA with massive deficits, expected to hit nearly $1bn a year by 2022. To tackle those deficits, officials say they would have to cut service more drastically, or raise fares by an additional 15%. All those troubles come without accounting for any money to pay for Byfords ambitious plan to actually turn around the crumbling subway system. That plan, which involves replacing an antiquated signal system that dates back to before the second world war, could cost $40bn. The subway hit a crisis last year, when a state of emergency was declared. Delays more than tripled, from about 20,000 a month in 2012 to more than 67,450 in May 2017. The delays cost New Yorkers more than $300m in lost work time a year, an independent budget study found. A year after an emergency plan was launched, more than a third of trains were still arriving late, though some modest improvements were notched this fall. The MTAs chairman, Joe Lhota, abruptly resigned this month, effective immediately. Things are moving slower than they were in 1950. And at the same time weve had three fare hikes. Riders are already paying more for less. This is in the richest city in the world, said Danny Pearlstein of the Riders Alliance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/21/18 10:25:21 AM #2:	The subway hit a crisis last year, when a state of emergency was declared. Delays more than tripled, from about 20,000 a month in 2012 to more than 67,450 in May 2017. The delays cost New Yorkers more than $300m in lost work time a year, an independent budget study found. A year after an emergency plan was launched, more than a third of trains were still arriving late, though some modest improvements were notched this fall. The MTAs chairman, Joe Lhota, abruptly resigned this month, effective immediately. Things are moving slower than they were in 1950. And at the same time weve had three fare hikes. Riders are already paying more for less. This is in the richest city in the world, said Danny Pearlstein of the Riders Alliance. Turning things around will require a huge infusion of cash. New Yorks governor, Andrew Cuomo, who controls the MTA, favors congestion pricing, which would charge drivers to enter prime areas of Manhattan. But the congestion pricing plan went nowhere this year. After Democrats claimed control of the state senate, advocates hope it may have a better chance next year if Cuomo puts his political muscle behind it. MTA officials point to growing competition from Uber and Lyft to explain their dropping ridership, plus riders sneaking in without paying. Critics say it is bad service that is driving people away. Byford acknowledged sending mixed messages to New Yorkers. Theyre saying: Well, hang on a minute, were paying more for worse service, he said. Well, one of the reasons why service is what it is is because we dont have enough funding If we dont have a fare rise, that only makes things worse. The hole gets even bigger. So until we can get these sustainable additional revenue streams, we really have no choice. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:912791928] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote>The subway hit a crisis last year, when a state of emergency was declared. Delays more than tripled, from about 20,000 a month in 2012 to more than 67,450 in May 2017. The delays cost New Yorkers more than $300m in lost work time a year, an independent budget study found. A year after an emergency plan was launched, more than a third of trains were still arriving late, though some modest improvements were notched this fall. The MTAs chairman, Joe Lhota, abruptly resigned this month, effective immediately. Things are moving slower than they were in 1950. And at the same time weve had three fare hikes. Riders are already paying more for less. This is in the richest city in the world, said Danny Pearlstein of the Riders Alliance. Turning things around will require a huge infusion of cash. New Yorks governor, Andrew Cuomo, who controls the MTA, favors congestion pricing, which would charge drivers to enter prime areas of Manhattan. But the congestion pricing plan went nowhere this year. After Democrats claimed control of the state senate, advocates hope it may have a better chance next year if Cuomo puts his political muscle behind it. MTA officials point to growing competition from Uber and Lyft to explain their dropping ridership, plus riders sneaking in without paying. Critics say it is bad service that is driving people away. Byford acknowledged sending mixed messages to New Yorkers. Theyre saying: Well, hang on a minute, were paying more for worse service, he said. Well, one of the reasons why service is what it is is because we dont have enough funding If we dont have a fare rise, that only makes things worse. The hole gets even bigger. So until we can get these sustainable additional revenue streams, we really have no choice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EvalAngell 11/21/18 10:26:34 AM #3:	de Blasio can't do anything right --- It's what's best for business. <cite>EvalAngell posted [p:912791988] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote>de Blasio can't do anything right</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/21/18 10:27:21 AM #4:	EvalAngell posted... de Blasio can't do anything right I wonder what Princess Cortez thinks the solution is and how she might try to influence other states into going down NYC's path. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:912792020] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote><cite>EvalAngell posted...</cite> <quote>de Blasio can't do anything right</quote> I wonder what Princess Cortez thinks the solution is and how she might try to influence other states into going down NYC's path. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlephZero 11/21/18 10:27:38 AM #5:	who could have forseen that paying everyone $400k a year pensions for life would cost a lot of money --- "life is overrated" - Seiichi Omori 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 <cite>AlephZero posted [p:912792037] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote>who could have forseen that paying everyone $400k a year pensions for life would cost a lot of money</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 11/21/18 10:28:30 AM #6:	This isn't a NYC-only problem --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:912792066] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote>This isn't a NYC-only problem</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/21/18 10:28:43 AM #7:	AlephZero posted... who could have forseen that paying everyone $400k a year pensions for life would cost a lot of money Shhhh just raise the taxes in NYC some more so that all the productive people leave. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:912792069] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlephZero posted...</cite> <quote>who could have forseen that paying everyone $400k a year pensions for life would cost a lot of money</quote> Shhhh just raise the taxes in NYC some more so that all the productive people leave.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 11/21/18 10:28:43 AM #8:	Sad situation. Fare increase seems the logical route. Sucks that there's so much resistance to it. Here in DC, the metro is virtually unusable (outside peak hours) and I just drive everywhere. Thought of NYC as what our system ought to be. So much for that! Idea that uber/lyft is hurting public transit seems odd though. Those services cost far more. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:912792072] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote>Sad situation. Fare increase seems the logical route. Sucks that there's so much resistance to it. Here in DC, the metro is virtually unusable (outside peak hours) and I just drive everywhere. Thought of NYC as what our system ought to be. So much for that! Idea that uber/lyft is hurting public transit seems odd though. Those services cost far more.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EvalAngell 11/21/18 10:28:51 AM #9:	AlephZero posted... who could have forseen that paying everyone $400k a year pensions for life would cost a lot of money my cousin is a retired conductor and i can assure you his pension is not that much lol I don't buy for a second that Uber/Lyft have caused this. Nobody wants to use a cab to travel around NYC. It's suicide if you're in a rush to get anywhere. Subway will always be the best way to travel around the city. --- It's what's best for business. <cite>EvalAngell posted [p:912792076] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlephZero posted...</cite> <quote>who could have forseen that paying everyone $400k a year pensions for life would cost a lot of money</quote> my cousin is a retired conductor and i can assure you his pension is not that much lol I don't buy for a second that Uber/Lyft have caused this. Nobody wants to use a cab to travel around NYC. It's suicide if you're in a rush to get anywhere. Subway will always be the best way to travel around the city.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/21/18 10:30:38 AM #10:	Anyway, all shitposting about taxes aside. We really should just earmark like...$500 billion in federal funds for a one-time investment into major city infrastructure including expanding access outward. High-speed rail, state of the art. Hell, make it $1 trillion over 10 years or however long it'd take to make the upgrade. Just get it done. Of course as we've seen in California's attempts to fund high-speed rail upgrades, it'll be over budget and way behind schedule and we'd likely never see any results. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:912792163] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote>Anyway, all shitposting about taxes aside. We really should just earmark like...$500 billion in federal funds for a one-time investment into major city infrastructure including expanding access outward. High-speed rail, state of the art. Hell, make it $1 trillion over 10 years or however long it'd take to make the upgrade. Just get it done. Of course as we've seen in California's attempts to fund high-speed rail upgrades, it'll be over budget and way behind schedule and we'd likely never see any results.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 11/21/18 10:31:17 AM #11:	Simple solution: luxury bus. https://www.wanderu.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/limoliner-seats-770x513.jpg Charge four or five times what it actually costs to run, and let elitist whales subsidize the rest of the system voluntarily via conspicuous consumption. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:912792184] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote>Simple solution: luxury bus. https://www.wanderu.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/limoliner-seats-770x513.jpg Charge four or five times what it actually costs to run, and let elitist whales subsidize the rest of the system voluntarily via conspicuous consumption.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/21/18 10:32:07 AM #12:	Questionmarktarius posted... Simple solution: luxury bus. https://www.wanderu.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/limoliner-seats-770x513.jpg Charge four or five times what it actually costs to run, and let elitist whales subsidize the rest of the system voluntarily via conspicuous consumption. This is an interesting proposal. Have you seen the film Snowpiercer? --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:912792217] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Simple solution: luxury bus. https://www.wanderu.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/limoliner-seats-770x513.jpg Charge four or five times what it actually costs to run, and let elitist whales subsidize the rest of the system voluntarily via conspicuous consumption.</quote> This is an interesting proposal. Have you seen the film Snowpiercer?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jagr_68 11/21/18 10:33:01 AM #13:	Fuck yes! $20.50 standard ride fare confirmed! --- New York Rangers [2004-2008] https://imgur.com/BLrKxEd https://card.psnprofiles.com/2/Jaromiroquai68.png <cite>Jagr_68 posted [p:912792262] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote>Fuck yes! $20.50 standard ride fare confirmed! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 11/21/18 10:34:03 AM #14:	It sucks but they need to improve services to bring back riders, which is an expensive first step for something losing money. But I imagine that the long term economic benefit of allowing cheap travel throughout the city would still end up greater than the costs of fixing it. Like even if the MTA itself loses money, its still a net positive if it creates enough tax revenue by getting people where they need to be to spend their money. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:912792307] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote>It sucks but they need to improve services to bring back riders, which is an expensive first step for something losing money. But I imagine that the long term economic benefit of allowing cheap travel throughout the city would still end up greater than the costs of fixing it. Like even if the MTA itself loses money, its still a net positive if it creates enough tax revenue by getting people where they need to be to spend their money.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SK8T3R215 11/21/18 10:39:48 AM #15:	They just have to stop running it 24 hours a day 7 days a week to make the repairs. The fare hikes are basically in line with inflation and happen every 2 years. --- New York Knicks, New York Jets, New York Yankees. <cite>SK8T3R215 posted [p:912792557] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote>They just have to stop running it 24 hours a day 7 days a week to make the repairs. The fare hikes are basically in line with inflation and happen every 2 years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/21/18 10:46:54 AM #16:	SK8T3R215 posted... They just have to stop running it 24 hours a day 7 days a week to make the repairs. The fare hikes are basically in line with inflation and happen every 2 years. Right but they're also still using technology from the WW2 era which is just embarrassing. If there was ever an open and shut case for why we should use taxpayer dollars to invest in infrastructure I'd say that's it. We shouldn't be stuck with technology from the 30s and 40s and 50s when it's 2018 and America pulls in like 4 trillion a year. What are the negative consequences of investing a couple trillion in nation-wide infrastructure repairs/ugprades? --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:912792866] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote><cite>SK8T3R215 posted...</cite> <quote>They just have to stop running it 24 hours a day 7 days a week to make the repairs. The fare hikes are basically in line with inflation and happen every 2 years.</quote> Right but they're also still using technology from the WW2 era which is just embarrassing. If there was ever an open and shut case for why we should use taxpayer dollars to invest in infrastructure I'd say that's it. We shouldn't be stuck with technology from the 30s and 40s and 50s when it's 2018 and America pulls in like 4 trillion a year. What are the negative consequences of investing a couple trillion in nation-wide infrastructure repairs/ugprades?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EvalAngell 11/21/18 10:51:27 AM #17:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Right but they're also still using technology from the WW2 era which is just embarrassing. outside of teleportation or some kind of speed chunnel, how could the subway be made any better? --- It's what's best for business. <cite>EvalAngell posted [p:912793048] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>Right but they're also still using technology from the WW2 era which is just embarrassing. </quote> outside of teleportation or some kind of speed chunnel, how could the subway be made any better?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 11/21/18 10:53:05 AM #19:	Darkman124 posted... Sad situation. Fare increase seems the logical route. Sucks that there's so much resistance to it. Here in DC, the metro is virtually unusable (outside peak hours) and I just drive everywhere. Thought of NYC as what our system ought to be. So much for that! Idea that uber/lyft is hurting public transit seems odd though. Those services cost far more. People really value their time more than their money, and they also value the form of transit they take over both. So, for instance, people are willing to pay both a cash premium and a cost in time to take trains rather than buses -- that is, people as a general rule would rather take a 20 minute train ride than a 10 minute bus ride. I have to imagine the preference for cars is even greater than that, especially when you factor in it being a time saver. That's all part of the death spiral, though. It's tough because the best way to driver ridership is to have a system with frequent vehicles (every 15 minutes is ideal, less during peak hours) but that's obviously expensive to do. FLUFFYGERM posted... Anyway, all shitposting about taxes aside. We really should just earmark like...$500 billion in federal funds for a one-time investment into major city infrastructure including expanding access outward. High-speed rail, state of the art. Hell, make it $1 trillion over 10 years or however long it'd take to make the upgrade. Just get it done. Of course as we've seen in California's attempts to fund high-speed rail upgrades, it'll be over budget and way behind schedule and we'd likely never see any results. This is an awful idea. So much of the problem with everything we finance with public money in this country is the short ass time horizons our investments have. We pay for construction and then put no money towards maintenance, which skews our built environment towards more wasteful forms of spending. I say this all the time about highways and I think public transit mega projects suffer the same problem --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:912793109] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>Sad situation. Fare increase seems the logical route. Sucks that there's so much resistance to it. Here in DC, the metro is virtually unusable (outside peak hours) and I just drive everywhere. Thought of NYC as what our system ought to be. So much for that! Idea that uber/lyft is hurting public transit seems odd though. Those services cost far more.</quote> People really value their time more than their money, and they also value the form of transit they take over both. So, for instance, people are willing to pay both a cash premium and a cost in time to take trains rather than buses -- that is, people as a general rule would rather take a 20 minute train ride than a 10 minute bus ride. I have to imagine the preference for cars is even greater than that, especially when you factor in it being a time saver. That's all part of the death spiral, though. It's tough because the best way to driver ridership is to have a system with frequent vehicles (every 15 minutes is ideal, less during peak hours) but that's obviously expensive to do. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>Anyway, all shitposting about taxes aside. We really should just earmark like...$500 billion in federal funds for a one-time investment into major city infrastructure including expanding access outward. High-speed rail, state of the art. Hell, make it $1 trillion over 10 years or however long it'd take to make the upgrade. Just get it done. Of course as we've seen in California's attempts to fund high-speed rail upgrades, it'll be over budget and way behind schedule and we'd likely never see any results.</quote> This is an awful idea. So much of the problem with everything we finance with public money in this country is the short ass time horizons our investments have. We pay for construction and then put no money towards maintenance, which skews our built environment towards more wasteful forms of spending. I say this all the time about highways and I think public transit mega projects suffer the same problem</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alpha218 11/21/18 11:00:04 AM #20:	Good thing Christie and Trump have done their best to put a stop to the Gateway Tunnel project. Making a bad situation even worse so they can play petty politics --- I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite user on the Citadel. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1349-mario Now Playing: Magic the Gathering: Arena <cite>Alpha218 posted [p:912793416] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote>Good thing Christie and Trump have done their best to put a stop to the Gateway Tunnel project. Making a bad situation even worse so they can play petty politics</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 11/21/18 11:07:41 AM #21:	Spooking posted... Cities like NYC always mismanage money. NYC doesn't run the subway, so I don't see why you think that's relevant. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:912793749] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote><cite>Spooking posted...</cite> <quote>Cities like NYC always mismanage money.</quote> NYC doesn't run the subway, so I don't see why you think that's relevant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
runuts27 11/21/18 11:08:25 AM #22:	The subways were supposed to be upgraded decades ago, they have enough money to do it but they take money away from the MTA and spend it on dumb shit. --- I'm interested in this... <cite>runuts27 posted [p:912793783] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote>The subways were supposed to be upgraded decades ago, they have enough money to do it but they take money away from the MTA and spend it on dumb shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 11/21/18 11:10:39 AM #23:	What have riders been using instead? I imagine driving is still awful. --- If you're going through hell, keep going. -Winston Churchill <cite>Squall28 posted [p:912793877] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote>What have riders been using instead? I imagine driving is still awful.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 11/21/18 11:22:45 AM #24:	FLUFFYGERM posted... This is an interesting proposal. Have you seen the film Snowpiercer? ...to the Netflix queue! <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:912794364] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>This is an interesting proposal. Have you seen the film Snowpiercer?</quote> ...to the Netflix queue!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romulox28 11/21/18 11:24:45 AM #25:	Squall28 posted... What have riders been using instead? I imagine driving is still awful. you dont have a choice if your destination is not within walking distance & you dont have time for uber/taxi --- https://imgur.com/LhwwG <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:912794463] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote><cite>Squall28 posted...</cite> <quote>What have riders been using instead? I imagine driving is still awful.</quote> you dont have a choice if your destination is not within walking distance & you dont have time for uber/taxi</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 11/21/18 11:29:43 AM #26:	FLUFFYGERM posted... What are the negative consequences of investing a couple trillion in nation-wide infrastructure repairs/ugprades? We lost sight of promoting the general welfare, in the pursuit of the welfare state. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:912794670] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>What are the negative consequences of investing a couple trillion in nation-wide infrastructure repairs/ugprades?</quote> We lost sight of promoting the general welfare, in the pursuit of the welfare state.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 11/21/18 11:30:43 AM #27:	Darkman124 posted... Sad situation. Fare increase seems the logical route. Sucks that there's so much resistance to it. Here in DC, the metro is virtually unusable (outside peak hours) and I just drive everywhere. Thought of NYC as what our system ought to be. So much for that! Idea that uber/lyft is hurting public transit seems odd though. Those services cost far more. I just moved to DC from LA. Compared to the LA metro, coming to DC is like traveling into the future. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:912794711] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>Sad situation. Fare increase seems the logical route. Sucks that there's so much resistance to it. Here in DC, the metro is virtually unusable (outside peak hours) and I just drive everywhere. Thought of NYC as what our system ought to be. So much for that! Idea that uber/lyft is hurting public transit seems odd though. Those services cost far more.</quote> I just moved to DC from LA. Compared to the LA metro, coming to DC is like traveling into the future.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 11/21/18 11:31:26 AM #28:	FLUFFYGERM posted... EvalAngell posted... de Blasio can't do anything right I wonder what Princess Cortez thinks the solution is and how she might try to influence other states into going down NYC's path. Who cares what she thinks. How about you? What do you think? Any great ideas on how to make the mass transit system profitable? --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:912794748] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EvalAngell posted...</cite> <quote>de Blasio can't do anything right</quote> I wonder what Princess Cortez thinks the solution is and how she might try to influence other states into going down NYC's path. </quote> Who cares what she thinks. How about you? What do you think? Any great ideas on how to make the mass transit system profitable?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 11/21/18 11:33:28 AM #29:	The real solution to problems like this is an increase in taxes for everyone, but no one has the balls to go through with it. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:912794851] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote>The real solution to problems like this is an increase in taxes for everyone, but no one has the balls to go through with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 11/21/18 11:33:34 AM #30:	tennisdude818 posted... I just moved to DC from LA. Compared to the LA metro, coming to DC is like traveling into the future. Man the trains in LA were so shitty when I was there. tbh its been like 5 years but I dont imagine they've improved much --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:912794854] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>I just moved to DC from LA. Compared to the LA metro, coming to DC is like traveling into the future.</quote> Man the trains in LA were so shitty when I was there. tbh its been like 5 years but I dont imagine they've improved much</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 11/21/18 11:38:11 AM #31:	Squall28 posted... What have riders been using instead? I imagine driving is still awful. there's taxi which i heard is far more than the cost of a subway ride. they might have buses in NYC but with the traffic i bet it isn't feasible. though there was a time when our local bus service had to make changes because of fraud. to put it in a short manner they increased fares about 100% and decreased the amount of times the buses run in a day. think this year they ran back into the black lowered fares about 75% of the original price and increased buses at certain times of the day. --- I'm pretty much Stu from Rugrats making pudding at 4 in morning because I've lost control of my life - Polycosm <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:912795079] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote><cite>Squall28 posted...</cite> <quote>What have riders been using instead? I imagine driving is still awful.</quote> there's taxi which i heard is far more than the cost of a subway ride. they might have buses in NYC but with the traffic i bet it isn't feasible. though there was a time when our local bus service had to make changes because of fraud. to put it in a short manner they increased fares about 100% and decreased the amount of times the buses run in a day. think this year they ran back into the black lowered fares about 75% of the original price and increased buses at certain times of the day.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 11/21/18 11:39:38 AM #32:	Balrog0 posted... tennisdude818 posted... I just moved to DC from LA. Compared to the LA metro, coming to DC is like traveling into the future. Man the trains in LA were so shitty when I was there. tbh its been like 5 years but I dont imagine they've improved much It's bad and their range is extremely limited. But riding is super cheap. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:912795133] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>I just moved to DC from LA. Compared to the LA metro, coming to DC is like traveling into the future.</quote> Man the trains in LA were so shitty when I was there. tbh its been like 5 years but I dont imagine they've improved much</quote> It's bad and their range is extremely limited. But riding is super cheap.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 11/21/18 11:44:33 AM #33:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Anyway, all shitposting about taxes aside. We really should just earmark like...$500 billion in federal funds for a one-time investment into major city infrastructure including expanding access outward. High-speed rail, state of the art. Hell, make it $1 trillion over 10 years or however long it'd take to make the upgrade. Just get it done. Of course as we've seen in California's attempts to fund high-speed rail upgrades, it'll be over budget and way behind schedule and we'd likely never see any results. Republicans told Elaine Chao to not grand any money towards rail projects. Diane Fianstein had to use her political capital to get Caltrain ALREADY APPROVED FUNDING to actually be funded from the Sec of Transportation. So go talk to your lil friends lol EvalAngell posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Right but they're also still using technology from the WW2 era which is just embarrassing. outside of teleportation or some kind of speed chunnel, how could the subway be made any better? Hoping The Boring Company will find a way to reduce the cost of tunneling but from what I've seen they want to build tunnels for private cars lol <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:912795367] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>Anyway, all shitposting about taxes aside. We really should just earmark like...$500 billion in federal funds for a one-time investment into major city infrastructure including expanding access outward. High-speed rail, state of the art. Hell, make it $1 trillion over 10 years or however long it'd take to make the upgrade. Just get it done. Of course as we've seen in California's attempts to fund high-speed rail upgrades, it'll be over budget and way behind schedule and we'd likely never see any results.</quote> Republicans told Elaine Chao to not grand any money towards rail projects. Diane Fianstein had to use her political capital to get Caltrain ALREADY APPROVED FUNDING to actually be funded from the Sec of Transportation. So go talk to your lil friends lol <cite>EvalAngell posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>Right but they're also still using technology from the WW2 era which is just embarrassing. </quote> outside of teleportation or some kind of speed chunnel, how could the subway be made any better?</quote> Hoping The Boring Company will find a way to reduce the cost of tunneling but from what I've seen they want to build tunnels for private cars lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 11/21/18 11:45:28 AM #34:	Well that sucks. I always associate the subway system with New York and am jealous of it. Didn't know they were having problems <cite>Zikten posted [p:912795402] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote>Well that sucks. I always associate the subway system with New York and am jealous of it. Didn't know they were having problems</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 11/21/18 11:53:00 AM #35:	Amazon ought to at least bring in a big increase in Subway use. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:912795776] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote>Amazon ought to at least bring in a big increase in Subway use.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DanHarenChamp 11/21/18 11:57:24 AM #36:	I wouldn't mind my west coast federal tax dollars going towards the NY subway revamping. I've used the subway numerous times for work and leisure and its super convenient. I also used to take the bus from north jersey to port authority all the time, right outside the NY times building. Do what it takes, if the subway goes down, we all lose. And increasing fares is more than reasonable. $3 is pretty reasonable still for how convenient it is. --- literally the pacers <cite>DanHarenChamp posted [p:912796013] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote>I wouldn't mind my west coast federal tax dollars going towards the NY subway revamping. I've used the subway numerous times for work and leisure and its super convenient. I also used to take the bus from north jersey to port authority all the time, right outside the NY times building. Do what it takes, if the subway goes down, we all lose. And increasing fares is more than reasonable. $3 is pretty reasonable still for how convenient it is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pikachupwnage 11/21/18 12:04:30 PM #37:	Zikten posted... Well that sucks. I always associate the subway system with New York and am jealous of it. Didn't know they were having problems You know you are fucked when NYC subway system is something you aspire to be like. --- https://imgur.com/cfZmEFd Even In sigs FOE! http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/665/328/d75.gif <cite>pikachupwnage posted [p:912796354] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>Well that sucks. I always associate the subway system with New York and am jealous of it. Didn't know they were having problems</quote> You know you are fucked when NYC subway system is something you aspire to be like.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 11/21/18 12:06:48 PM #38:	pikachupwnage posted... Zikten posted... Well that sucks. I always associate the subway system with New York and am jealous of it. Didn't know they were having problems You know you are fucked when NYC subway system is something you aspire to be like. I just am jealous of them having subways. I think they are very cool and convenient. but never lived in a city with them. I prefer them to buses. <cite>Zikten posted [p:912796460] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote><cite>pikachupwnage posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>Well that sucks. I always associate the subway system with New York and am jealous of it. Didn't know they were having problems</quote> You know you are fucked when NYC subway system is something you aspire to be like.</quote> I just am jealous of them having subways. I think they are very cool and convenient. but never lived in a city with them. I prefer them to buses.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlingBling22947 11/21/18 1:42:07 PM #39:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77222490 --- When was the last time you heard your boy Nas rhyme? Never on schedule but always on time <cite>BlingBling22947 posted [p:912801415] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77222490</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Holy_Cloud105 11/21/18 1:49:29 PM #40:	I'm so glad de Blasio and Cuomo had that pissing contest this year about who should pay for the MTA to get fixed. Since I can remember in the mid 90s taking the MTA was shit and the fare then was like $1.25. Money kept mysteriously disappearing leading to fare hikes. --- Official Aqua of the Kingdom Hearts 3 board. <cite>Holy_Cloud105 posted [p:912801879] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote>I'm so glad de Blasio and Cuomo had that pissing contest this year about who should pay for the MTA to get fixed. Since I can remember in the mid 90s taking the MTA was shit and the fare then was like $1.25. Money kept mysteriously disappearing leading to fare hikes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiderofHogs 11/21/18 2:06:10 PM #41:	Just give up the subways and let the mole people have them. --- I'll be riding shotgun, underneath the hot sun, Feeling like a someone. <cite>RiderofHogs posted [p:912802791] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote>Just give up the subways and let the mole people have them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Amatsukaze 11/22/18 4:44:33 AM #44:	Questionmarktarius posted... Simple solution: luxury bus. https://www.wanderu.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/limoliner-seats-770x513.jpg Charge four or five times what it actually costs to run, and let elitist whales subsidize the rest of the system voluntarily via conspicuous consumption. This would get me to use public transit. --- http://tinyurl.com/zzyult6 - http://tinyurl.com/zwaaeta - https://tinyurl.com/ycqc4omf - http://tinyurl.com/h8j8vrd - http://tinyurl.com/j4lyk7j - EMM///REEE <cite>Amatsukaze posted [p:912839757] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Simple solution: luxury bus. https://www.wanderu.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/limoliner-seats-770x513.jpg Charge four or five times what it actually costs to run, and let elitist whales subsidize the rest of the system voluntarily via conspicuous consumption.</quote> This would get me to use public transit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AvantgardeAClue 11/22/18 4:49:52 AM #45:	Something is fucking broke everytime I take the train in NYC I hope they get Bird scooters because realistically that'll be faster sometimes --- Sometimes I say things and I'm not voice acting. <cite>AvantgardeAClue posted [p:912839858] in New York C... [t:77224540]...</cite> <quote>Something is fucking broke everytime I take the train in NYC I hope they get Bird scooters because realistically that'll be faster sometimes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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