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FLUFFYGERM 11/20/18 11:39:12 PM #51:	OctilIery posted... It actually is. It actually isn't buddy --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:912774181] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>It actually is. </quote> It actually isn't buddy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/20/18 11:40:26 PM #52:	FLUFFYGERM posted... OctilIery posted... It actually is. It actually isn't buddy Sorry, but the fact is nothing would be seized from you that wasn't already, and your taxes would go to much better uses. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912774237] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>It actually is. </quote> It actually isn't buddy</quote> Sorry, but the fact is nothing would be seized from you that wasn't already, and your taxes would go to much better uses.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 11/20/18 11:40:40 PM #53:	Philoktetes posted... so they have to push those costs onto everyone else Do they really have to push those costs onto everyone else when they're already price gouging anyways? Seems like just bs excuses to charge more, than is it a necessary practice to cover their industry's version of "retail shrinkage" --- It's okay to be white. <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:912774251] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote> so they have to push those costs onto everyone else</quote> Do they really have to push those costs onto everyone else when they're already price gouging anyways? Seems like just bs excuses to charge more, than is it a necessary practice to cover their industry's version of "retail shrinkage"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Philoktetes 11/20/18 11:44:25 PM #54:	OctilIery posted... your ability to not die shouldn't be dependent on how much money you have. this is the core issue that Liberals and Conservatives will never be able to agree on that's why politics is at an impasse --- I don't think so, Tim. ~~ Pizza Crew ~~ <cite>Philoktetes posted [p:912774426] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite><quote> your ability to not die shouldn't be dependent on how much money you have.</quote> this is the core issue that Liberals and Conservatives will never be able to agree on that's why politics is at an impasse</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/20/18 11:45:40 PM #55:	Philoktetes posted... OctilIery posted... your ability to not die shouldn't be dependent on how much money you have. this is the core issue that Liberals and Conservatives will never be able to agree on that's why politics is at an impasse No, it isn't an agree/disagree thing. It's an agree/I'm a piece of shit thing. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912774474] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite><quote> your ability to not die shouldn't be dependent on how much money you have.</quote> this is the core issue that Liberals and Conservatives will never be able to agree on that's why politics is at an impasse</quote> No, it isn't an agree/disagree thing. It's an agree/I'm a piece of shit thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
midgar 11/20/18 11:47:57 PM #56:	OctilIery posted... The medical and legal costs they bring up are much more annually than the cost of housing and assigning them a social worker, and often providing that housing ends with them getting off their feet and off government dependence. Just to be on topic, this is based on what information? Has there been an actual cost/budget comparison based on real experimentation? --- Now playing: Games <cite>midgar posted [p:912774564] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>The medical and legal costs they bring up are much more annually than the cost of housing and assigning them a social worker, and often providing that housing ends with them getting off their feet and off government dependence.</quote> Just to be on topic, this is based on what information? Has there been an actual cost/budget comparison based on real experimentation?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 11/20/18 11:49:08 PM #57:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Philoktetes posted... so they have to push those costs onto everyone else Do they really have to push those costs onto everyone else when they're already price gouging anyways? Seems like just bs excuses to charge more, than is it a necessary practice to cover their industry's version of "retail shrinkage" Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Philoktetes posted... so they have to push those costs onto everyone else Do they really have to push those costs onto everyone else when they're already price gouging anyways? Seems like just bs excuses to charge more, than is it a necessary practice to cover their industry's version of "retail shrinkage" I feel you because there's definitely a lot of shady billing practices but I think the magnitude of the cost is different. I mean tons of hospitals operate at negative margins and seriously only survive due to charity payments from state budgets that are very uncertain. The thing is there's an disparity in health care that only kinda exists in retail. https://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20180106/NEWS/180109940 Advertisement Modern HealthcareMENU Home > Providers > Hospitals Hospital profits, uncompensated care climb By Tara Bannow \| January 6, 2018 TwitterFacebookLinkedinBuy ReprintsPrint ArticleEmail this page to a colleagueComment Recommended for You Hospitals are using TV spots to attract lucrative patients into their hospitals as healthcare costs and industry competition escalate. Home healthcare is getting a boost from insurers and the Medicare program. Content from Deloitte: Know what you owe: Lifting the veil of secrecy in health care pricing can boost the consumer experience Profits at the more than 4,800 U.S. community hospitals continued their steady rise last year, hitting $76.1 billion, a 43% increase since 2011. Total net revenue reached $979 billion in 2016including nursing home resultsand expenses were $903 billion, according to the 2018 edition of the American Hospital Association's Hospital Statistics report aggregating hospital financial and utilization trends, which was released Thursday. Hospitals' overall operating margin was 7.7% in 2016, compared with 7.9% in 2015. The annual report includes data on all 4,840 registered community hospitals in the U.S.159 fewer than in 2012. But data from consulting firm Deloitte show that around the same time, between 20% and 30% of hospitals experienced negative operating margins, revealing a significant divide between hospitals that are faring well and those struggling to stay afloat. "If you drilled down and disaggregated the numbers, you'd see a lot of unevenness between the hospitals that are doing well and are being able to figure out how to generate profits and those that are struggling and in fact have closed," said Mary Crossley, a professor in the University of Pittsburgh School of Law who focuses on healthcare finance and delivery. --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:912774617] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote> so they have to push those costs onto everyone else</quote> Do they really have to push those costs onto everyone else when they're already price gouging anyways? Seems like just bs excuses to charge more, than is it a necessary practice to cover their industry's version of "retail shrinkage"</quote> <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote> so they have to push those costs onto everyone else</quote> Do they really have to push those costs onto everyone else when they're already price gouging anyways? Seems like just bs excuses to charge more, than is it a necessary practice to cover their industry's version of "retail shrinkage"</quote> I feel you because there's definitely a lot of shady billing practices but I think the magnitude of the cost is different. I mean tons of hospitals operate at negative margins and seriously only survive due to charity payments from state budgets that are very uncertain. The thing is there's an disparity in health care that only kinda exists in retail. https://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20180106/NEWS/180109940 Advertisement Modern HealthcareMENU Home > Providers > Hospitals Hospital profits, uncompensated care climb By Tara Bannow \| January 6, 2018 TwitterFacebookLinkedinBuy ReprintsPrint ArticleEmail this page to a colleagueComment Recommended for You Hospitals are using TV spots to attract lucrative patients into their hospitals as healthcare costs and industry competition escalate. Home healthcare is getting a boost from insurers and the Medicare program. Content from Deloitte: Know what you owe: Lifting the veil of secrecy in health care pricing can boost the consumer experience Profits at the more than 4,800 U.S. community hospitals continued their steady rise last year, hitting $76.1 billion, a 43% increase since 2011. Total net revenue reached $979 billion in 2016including nursing home resultsand expenses were $903 billion, according to the 2018 edition of the American Hospital Association's Hospital Statistics report aggregating hospital financial and utilization trends, which was released Thursday. Hospitals' overall operating margin was 7.7% in 2016, compared with 7.9% in 2015. The annual report includes data on all 4,840 registered community hospitals in the U.S.159 fewer than in 2012. But data from consulting firm Deloitte show that around the same time, between 20% and 30% of hospitals experienced negative operating margins, revealing a significant divide between hospitals that are faring well and those struggling to stay afloat. "If you drilled down and disaggregated the numbers, you'd see a lot of unevenness between the hospitals that are doing well and are being able to figure out how to generate profits and those that are struggling and in fact have closed," said Mary Crossley, a professor in the University of Pittsburgh School of Law who focuses on healthcare finance and delivery.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/20/18 11:49:23 PM #58:	midgar posted... OctilIery posted... The medical and legal costs they bring up are much more annually than the cost of housing and assigning them a social worker, and often providing that housing ends with them getting off their feet and off government dependence. Just to be on topic, this is based on what information? Has there been an actual cost/budget comparison based on real experimentation? Yes. This was done in Utah and a few other places, and it's been studied quite a bit. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912774633] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>midgar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>The medical and legal costs they bring up are much more annually than the cost of housing and assigning them a social worker, and often providing that housing ends with them getting off their feet and off government dependence.</quote> Just to be on topic, this is based on what information? Has there been an actual cost/budget comparison based on real experimentation?</quote> Yes. This was done in Utah and a few other places, and it's been studied quite a bit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Philoktetes 11/20/18 11:51:28 PM #59:	OctilIery posted... Philoktetes posted... OctilIery posted... your ability to not die shouldn't be dependent on how much money you have. this is the core issue that Liberals and Conservatives will never be able to agree on that's why politics is at an impasse No, it isn't an agree/disagree thing. It's an agree/I'm a piece of shit thing. then we will have to agree to disagree --- I don't think so, Tim. ~~ Pizza Crew ~~ <cite>Philoktetes posted [p:912774724] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite><quote> your ability to not die shouldn't be dependent on how much money you have.</quote> this is the core issue that Liberals and Conservatives will never be able to agree on that's why politics is at an impasse</quote> No, it isn't an agree/disagree thing. It's an agree/I'm a piece of shit thing.</quote> then we will have to agree to disagree</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/20/18 11:54:14 PM #60:	Philoktetes posted... OctilIery posted... Philoktetes posted... OctilIery posted... your ability to not die shouldn't be dependent on how much money you have. this is the core issue that Liberals and Conservatives will never be able to agree on that's why politics is at an impasse No, it isn't an agree/disagree thing. It's an agree/I'm a piece of shit thing. then we will have to agree to disagree No, you'll just be wrong, and an awful person to boot. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912774847] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite><quote> your ability to not die shouldn't be dependent on how much money you have.</quote> this is the core issue that Liberals and Conservatives will never be able to agree on that's why politics is at an impasse</quote> No, it isn't an agree/disagree thing. It's an agree/I'm a piece of shit thing.</quote> then we will have to agree to disagree</quote> No, you'll just be wrong, and an awful person to boot.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 11/21/18 12:02:36 AM #61:	midgar posted... OctilIery posted... The medical and legal costs they bring up are much more annually than the cost of housing and assigning them a social worker, and often providing that housing ends with them getting off their feet and off government dependence. Just to be on topic, this is based on what information? Has there been an actual cost/budget comparison based on real experimentation? Here's one example. I thought id saved an editorial with links to many more but I can't find it right now https://news.unm.edu/news/unm-research-reveals-big-benefits-to-housing-homeless-population --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:912775224] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>midgar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>The medical and legal costs they bring up are much more annually than the cost of housing and assigning them a social worker, and often providing that housing ends with them getting off their feet and off government dependence.</quote> Just to be on topic, this is based on what information? Has there been an actual cost/budget comparison based on real experimentation?</quote> Here's one example. I thought id saved an editorial with links to many more but I can't find it right now https://news.unm.edu/news/unm-research-reveals-big-benefits-to-housing-homeless-population</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/21/18 12:26:45 AM #62:	OctilIery posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... OctilIery posted... It actually is. It actually isn't buddy Sorry, but the fact is nothing would be seized from you that wasn't already, and your taxes would go to much better uses. we would absolutely need new taxes to provide free houses to the homeless --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:912776218] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>It actually is. </quote> It actually isn't buddy</quote> Sorry, but the fact is nothing would be seized from you that wasn't already, and your taxes would go to much better uses.</quote> we would absolutely need new taxes to provide free houses to the homeless</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 11/21/18 12:27:41 AM #63:	Why not take money out of the military? It's receiving enough already. --- "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:912776269] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote>Why not take money out of the military? It's receiving enough already.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/21/18 12:38:14 AM #64:	FLUFFYGERM posted... OctilIery posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... OctilIery posted... It actually is. It actually isn't buddy Sorry, but the fact is nothing would be seized from you that wasn't already, and your taxes would go to much better uses. we would absolutely need new taxes to provide free houses to the homeless Except no, we wouldn't, because the cost of it is offset by the reduction in medical and legal costs. Keep up. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912776743] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>It actually is. </quote> It actually isn't buddy</quote> Sorry, but the fact is nothing would be seized from you that wasn't already, and your taxes would go to much better uses.</quote> we would absolutely need new taxes to provide free houses to the homeless</quote> Except no, we wouldn't, because the cost of it is offset by the reduction in medical and legal costs. Keep up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GFAQz 11/21/18 12:43:23 AM #65:	What if they do not want homes because they do not and/or can not pay property taxes --- Yup <cite>GFAQz posted [p:912776956] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote>What if they do not want homes because they do not and/or can not pay property taxes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Philoktetes 11/21/18 12:57:55 AM #66:	taxation is theft --- I don't think so, Tim. ~~ Pizza Crew ~~ <cite>Philoktetes posted [p:912777557] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote>taxation is theft</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GFAQz 11/21/18 1:01:08 AM #67:	Philoktetes posted... taxation is theft So is driving on roads and walking in sidewalks that you did not pay for --- Yup <cite>GFAQz posted [p:912777645] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote>taxation is theft</quote> So is driving on roads and walking in sidewalks that you did not pay for</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cj_WlLL_VVlN 11/21/18 1:14:35 AM #68:	Is it cheaper than not providing housing or aid of any kind? --- The gamefaqs moderation team knows dogs capable of being offended, cant laugh at a joke, and like to punish jokes that are acceptable on prime time TV pg shows. <cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted [p:912778076] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote>Is it cheaper than not providing housing or aid of any kind?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cj_WlLL_VVlN 11/21/18 1:18:52 AM #69:	GFAQz posted... Philoktetes posted... taxation is theft So is driving on roads and walking in sidewalks that you did not pay for Imagine believing they would not have been built regardless. Imagine thinking there was income tax when roads were first being built, imagine making me pay registration on a car or licensing in order to drive on roads I paid for. Imagine saying hur dur social contract or that an individual is not entitled to the fruits of their labor. Taxation is not theft. Originally I thought it was akin to robbery as they threaten you at gun point if you don't comply but another man laying claim to the fruits of my labor is far closer to slavery. Income tax should be a violation of the 14th amendment. --- The gamefaqs moderation team knows dogs capable of being offended, cant laugh at a joke, and like to punish jokes that are acceptable on prime time TV pg shows. <cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted [p:912778228] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>GFAQz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote>taxation is theft</quote> So is driving on roads and walking in sidewalks that you did not pay for</quote> Imagine believing they would not have been built regardless. Imagine thinking there was income tax when roads were first being built, imagine making me pay registration on a car or licensing in order to drive on roads I paid for. Imagine saying hur dur social contract or that an individual is not entitled to the fruits of their labor. Taxation is not theft. Originally I thought it was akin to robbery as they threaten you at gun point if you don't comply but another man laying claim to the fruits of my labor is far closer to slavery. Income tax should be a violation of the 14th amendment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 11/21/18 9:12:13 AM #70:	Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted... Imagine believing they would not have been built regardless. Imagine thinking there was income tax when roads were first being built, imagine making me pay registration on a car or licensing in order to drive on roads I paid for. Well there was, at least in the sense you're talking about roads. people mostly traveled long distance through manners other than roads like railroads and waterways. Lots of common thoroughfares were essentially pig trails, even deep into the 20th century a lot of highways were still gravel and dirt. People seriously underestimate the amount of public money and manpower that went into our highway system. And we didn't get the idea of a highway trust fund until the 50s, so like the vast majority of that happened when it was all financed out of general revenue, i.e., income taxes as an aside I always find it pretty peculiar when a supposed free marketeer or libertarian makes this kind of argument, it seems to violate a pretty basic econ 101 concept (broken windows). You can always point to what is actually happening to say that's what people want to happen but it ignores the unseen costs that might change the course of development depending on who was responsible for paying those costs --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:912789151] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine believing they would not have been built regardless. Imagine thinking there was income tax when roads were first being built, imagine making me pay registration on a car or licensing in order to drive on roads I paid for. </quote> Well there was, at least in the sense you're talking about roads. people mostly traveled long distance through manners other than roads like railroads and waterways. Lots of common thoroughfares were essentially pig trails, even deep into the 20th century a lot of highways were still gravel and dirt. People seriously underestimate the amount of public money and manpower that went into our highway system. And we didn't get the idea of a highway trust fund until the 50s, so like the vast majority of that happened when it was all financed out of general revenue, i.e., income taxes as an aside I always find it pretty peculiar when a supposed free marketeer or libertarian makes this kind of argument, it seems to violate a pretty basic econ 101 concept (broken windows). You can always point to what is actually happening to say that's what people want to happen but it ignores the unseen costs that might change the course of development depending on who was responsible for paying those costs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 11/21/18 9:22:52 AM #71:	Balrog0 posted... Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted... Imagine believing they would not have been built regardless. Imagine thinking there was income tax when roads were first being built, imagine making me pay registration on a car or licensing in order to drive on roads I paid for. Well there was, at least in the sense you're talking about roads. people mostly traveled long distance through manners other than roads like railroads and waterways. Lots of common thoroughfares were essentially pig trails, even deep into the 20th century a lot of highways were still gravel and dirt. People seriously underestimate the amount of public money and manpower that went into our highway system. And we didn't get the idea of a highway trust fund until the 50s, so like the vast majority of that happened when it was all financed out of general revenue, i.e., income taxes as an aside I always find it pretty peculiar when a supposed free marketeer or libertarian makes this kind of argument, it seems to violate a pretty basic econ 101 concept (broken windows). You can always point to what is actually happening to say that's what people want to happen but it ignores the unseen costs that might change the course of development depending on who was responsible for paying those costs Its likely that in a free market we would not have roads that are just like what we have now, and we would have a society that isnt as spread out as it is today. Businesses would obviously want people to have easy access to them, and there is no way to know what that would look like by now if the government didnt impose the infrastructure we have today with all the related costs. Who knows? Maybe all these annual auto fatalities and hours spent in traffic are completely unnecessary. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:912789522] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine believing they would not have been built regardless. Imagine thinking there was income tax when roads were first being built, imagine making me pay registration on a car or licensing in order to drive on roads I paid for. </quote> Well there was, at least in the sense you're talking about roads. people mostly traveled long distance through manners other than roads like railroads and waterways. Lots of common thoroughfares were essentially pig trails, even deep into the 20th century a lot of highways were still gravel and dirt. People seriously underestimate the amount of public money and manpower that went into our highway system. And we didn't get the idea of a highway trust fund until the 50s, so like the vast majority of that happened when it was all financed out of general revenue, i.e., income taxes as an aside I always find it pretty peculiar when a supposed free marketeer or libertarian makes this kind of argument, it seems to violate a pretty basic econ 101 concept (broken windows). You can always point to what is actually happening to say that's what people want to happen but it ignores the unseen costs that might change the course of development depending on who was responsible for paying those costs</quote> Its likely that in a free market we would not have roads that are just like what we have now, and we would have a society that isnt as spread out as it is today. Businesses would obviously want people to have easy access to them, and there is no way to know what that would look like by now if the government didnt impose the infrastructure we have today with all the related costs. Who knows? Maybe all these annual auto fatalities and hours spent in traffic are completely unnecessary.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Knowledge_King 11/21/18 9:29:22 AM #72:	LightningAce11 posted... Why not take money out of the military? It's receiving enough already. Because the military is the sole reason America holds the power it does in the world. To take money away from it for homeless people would be completely insane. --- http://www.warwithwords.com Run: 4 Stars and IndieReader Approved:https://www.amazon.com/Run-M-N-ebook/dp/B076R7DCHN <cite>Knowledge_King posted [p:912789721] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote>Why not take money out of the military? It's receiving enough already.</quote> Because the military is the sole reason America holds the power it does in the world. To take money away from it for homeless people would be completely insane.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lincoln002 11/21/18 3:27:22 PM #73:	If this is true provide housing to the homeless. And I can't believe some of the lack of empathy in this thread, someone literally suggested emergency care be eliminated to lower health costs unless those people can pay for it. Complete lack of ethics, that kind of mentality is that of a sick person. --- https://tinyurl.com/y8nh4ach <cite>lincoln002 posted [p:912807443] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote>If this is true provide housing to the homeless. And I can't believe some of the lack of empathy in this thread, someone literally suggested emergency care be eliminated to lower health costs unless those people can pay for it. Complete lack of ethics, that kind of mentality is that of a sick person.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 11/21/18 3:37:08 PM #74:	YourDrunkFather posted... Why stop there? Why not buy them BMWs and designer clothes while we're at it The thing is, in most cases, to get a job, you need a home. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:912807981] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>YourDrunkFather posted...</cite> <quote>Why stop there? Why not buy them BMWs and designer clothes while we're at it</quote> The thing is, in most cases, to get a job, you need a home.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/21/18 4:04:59 PM #75:	Knowledge_King posted... LightningAce11 posted... Why not take money out of the military? It's receiving enough already. Because the military is the sole reason America holds the power it does in the world. To take money away from it for homeless people would be completely insane. it would also be the single best thing america could do for the rest of the world --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:912809459] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>Knowledge_King posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote>Why not take money out of the military? It's receiving enough already.</quote> Because the military is the sole reason America holds the power it does in the world. To take money away from it for homeless people would be completely insane.</quote> it would also be the single best thing america could do for the rest of the world</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 11/21/18 4:07:43 PM #76:	here we go, this is from a right wing think tank too https://www.rstreet.org/2018/10/25/increasing-citations-and-fines-are-not-the-answers-to-homelessness --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:912809619] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote>here we go, this is from a right wing think tank too https://www.rstreet.org/2018/10/25/increasing-citations-and-fines-are-not-the-answers-to-homelessness</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 11/21/18 4:08:23 PM #77:	One reform, Utahs Housing First program, played a major role in decreasing its chronically homeless population. Unlike other models that require sobriety, Utahs program moves homeless individuals directly into housing and seeks to provide stability for addressing other issues. The states Homeless Task Force reported that the $7,800 it cost to house and provide a caseworker for one person was far cheaper than the average $19,208 per year the state pays to take care of a chronically homeless person. Far from an anomaly, the Department of Housing and Urban Development was able to reduce the homeless veteran population by 54% using the housing-first model. And after only one year of its housing program, the city of Albuquerque saved over $600,000 and saw a 64% reduction in related jail costs. Another way to ease pressures on homeless individuals is for regions to allow for more housing in cheaper, traditional archetypes. California has been a leader in requiring municipalities to allow small accessory dwelling units in residential areas. Places like New York allow boarding houses, while trailer parks have been a next step for the rural homeless for generations. --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:912809648] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote>One reform, Utahs Housing First program, played a major role in decreasing its chronically homeless population. Unlike other models that require sobriety, Utahs program moves homeless individuals directly into housing and seeks to provide stability for addressing other issues. The states Homeless Task Force reported that the $7,800 it cost to house and provide a caseworker for one person was far cheaper than the average $19,208 per year the state pays to take care of a chronically homeless person. Far from an anomaly, the Department of Housing and Urban Development was able to reduce the homeless veteran population by 54% using the housing-first model. And after only one year of its housing program, the city of Albuquerque saved over $600,000 and saw a 64% reduction in related jail costs. Another way to ease pressures on homeless individuals is for regions to allow for more housing in cheaper, traditional archetypes. California has been a leader in requiring municipalities to allow small accessory dwelling units in residential areas. Places like New York allow boarding houses, while trailer parks have been a next step for the rural homeless for generations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cj_WlLL_VVlN 11/21/18 5:09:11 PM #78:	lincoln002 posted... If this is true provide housing to the homeless. And I can't believe some of the lack of empathy in this thread, someone literally suggested emergency care be eliminated to lower health costs unless those people can pay for it. Complete lack of ethics, that kind of mentality is that of a sick person. I agree a lot of people defending taking other peoples money and repurposing it against their will. Shows absolutely zero empathy. Plus believing a bloated and inept government can put money to better use than people shows a an extreme lack of braincells. --- The gamefaqs moderation team knows dogs capable of being offended, cant laugh at a joke, and like to punish jokes that are acceptable on prime time TV pg shows. <cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted [p:912812857] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>lincoln002 posted...</cite> <quote>If this is true provide housing to the homeless. And I can't believe some of the lack of empathy in this thread, someone literally suggested emergency care be eliminated to lower health costs unless those people can pay for it. Complete lack of ethics, that kind of mentality is that of a sick person.</quote> I agree a lot of people defending taking other peoples money and repurposing it against their will. Shows absolutely zero empathy. Plus believing a bloated and inept government can put money to better use than people shows a an extreme lack of braincells.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/21/18 9:29:39 PM #79:	Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted... lincoln002 posted... If this is true provide housing to the homeless. And I can't believe some of the lack of empathy in this thread, someone literally suggested emergency care be eliminated to lower health costs unless those people can pay for it. Complete lack of ethics, that kind of mentality is that of a sick person. I agree a lot of people defending taking other peoples money and repurposing it against their will. Shows absolutely zero empathy. Plus believing a bloated and inept government can put money to better use than people shows a an extreme lack of braincells. You try too hard. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912825815] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lincoln002 posted...</cite> <quote>If this is true provide housing to the homeless. And I can't believe some of the lack of empathy in this thread, someone literally suggested emergency care be eliminated to lower health costs unless those people can pay for it. Complete lack of ethics, that kind of mentality is that of a sick person.</quote> I agree a lot of people defending taking other peoples money and repurposing it against their will. Shows absolutely zero empathy. Plus believing a bloated and inept government can put money to better use than people shows a an extreme lack of braincells.</quote> You try too hard.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 11/21/18 9:38:02 PM #80:	Does anyone here claim to support the troops? I have a feeling what your opinion on homeless vets might be and I figure it isn't so supportive of the troops. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:912826194] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote>Does anyone here claim to support the troops? I have a feeling what your opinion on homeless vets might be and I figure it isn't so supportive of the troops.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/21/18 9:39:24 PM #81:	TommyG663513 posted... Does anyone here claim to support the troops? I have a feeling what your opinion on homeless vets might be and I figure it isn't so supportive of the troops. How we care for all of our vets, not just the homeless ones, is disgraceful. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912826263] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>TommyG663513 posted...</cite> <quote>Does anyone here claim to support the troops? I have a feeling what your opinion on homeless vets might be and I figure it isn't so supportive of the troops.</quote> How we care for all of our vets, not just the homeless ones, is disgraceful.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 11/21/18 9:42:54 PM #82:	Glad you're so generous ~~with other people's money~~ --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:912826406] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote>Glad you're so generous with other people's money</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 11/21/18 9:45:35 PM #83:	OctilIery posted... glitteringfairy posted... Agreed. Send them all to Detroit. That city is practically empty. Thousands of abandoned homes for the taking! Honestly, any that would be willing to relocate should be given the option, but many have family where they are. Then their families can house them, and not cost taxpayers money, right? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:912826540] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>glitteringfairy posted...</cite> <quote>Agreed. Send them all to Detroit. That city is practically empty. Thousands of abandoned homes for the taking!</quote> Honestly, any that would be willing to relocate should be given the option, but many have family where they are.</quote> Then their families can house them, and not cost taxpayers money, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 11/21/18 9:47:24 PM #84:	Even the most bleeding of hearts will become cold as ice after they've worked in an ER --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:912826622] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote>Even the most bleeding of hearts will become cold as ice after they've worked in an ER</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cj_WlLL_VVlN 11/21/18 10:54:24 PM #85:	TommyG663513 posted... Does anyone here claim to support the troops? I have a feeling what your opinion on homeless vets might be and I figure it isn't so supportive of the troops. I support our troops quite a bit. The money stolen from me goes to pay their salaries and buy their toys and pay their outrageous benefits. Don't worry at least I know they kill little brown kids and blowing up hospitals on my behalf. --- The gamefaqs moderation team knows dogs capable of being offended, cant laugh at a joke, and like to punish jokes that are acceptable on prime time TV pg shows. <cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted [p:912829591] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>TommyG663513 posted...</cite> <quote>Does anyone here claim to support the troops? I have a feeling what your opinion on homeless vets might be and I figure it isn't so supportive of the troops.</quote> I support our troops quite a bit. The money stolen from me goes to pay their salaries and buy their toys and pay their outrageous benefits. Don't worry at least I know they kill little brown kids and blowing up hospitals on my behalf.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/21/18 11:49:52 PM #86:	darkjedilink posted... OctilIery posted... glitteringfairy posted... Agreed. Send them all to Detroit. That city is practically empty. Thousands of abandoned homes for the taking! Honestly, any that would be willing to relocate should be given the option, but many have family where they are. Then their families can house them, and not cost taxpayers money, right? Nope. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912831756] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>glitteringfairy posted...</cite> <quote>Agreed. Send them all to Detroit. That city is practically empty. Thousands of abandoned homes for the taking!</quote> Honestly, any that would be willing to relocate should be given the option, but many have family where they are.</quote> Then their families can house them, and not cost taxpayers money, right?</quote> Nope.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 11/22/18 12:16:39 AM #87:	OctilIery posted... darkjedilink posted... OctilIery posted... glitteringfairy posted... Agreed. Send them all to Detroit. That city is practically empty. Thousands of abandoned homes for the taking! Honestly, any that would be willing to relocate should be given the option, but many have family where they are. Then their families can house them, and not cost taxpayers money, right? Nope. Why not? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:912832778] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>glitteringfairy posted...</cite> <quote>Agreed. Send them all to Detroit. That city is practically empty. Thousands of abandoned homes for the taking!</quote> Honestly, any that would be willing to relocate should be given the option, but many have family where they are.</quote> Then their families can house them, and not cost taxpayers money, right?</quote> Nope.</quote> Why not?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/22/18 12:01:33 PM #88:	darkjedilink posted... OctilIery posted... darkjedilink posted... OctilIery posted... glitteringfairy posted... Agreed. Send them all to Detroit. That city is practically empty. Thousands of abandoned homes for the taking! Honestly, any that would be willing to relocate should be given the option, but many have family where they are. Then their families can house them, and not cost taxpayers money, right? Nope. Why not? The same reasons said family aren't housing them now. Not enough space, can't afford to care for them, relationship troubles, etc etc. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912851687] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>glitteringfairy posted...</cite> <quote>Agreed. Send them all to Detroit. That city is practically empty. Thousands of abandoned homes for the taking!</quote> Honestly, any that would be willing to relocate should be given the option, but many have family where they are.</quote> Then their families can house them, and not cost taxpayers money, right?</quote> Nope.</quote> Why not?</quote> The same reasons said family aren't housing them now. Not enough space, can't afford to care for them, relationship troubles, etc etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 11/22/18 3:16:08 PM #89:	OctilIery posted... darkjedilink posted... OctilIery posted... darkjedilink posted... OctilIery posted... glitteringfairy posted... Agreed. Send them all to Detroit. That city is practically empty. Thousands of abandoned homes for the taking! Honestly, any that would be willing to relocate should be given the option, but many have family where they are. Then their families can house them, and not cost taxpayers money, right? Nope. Why not? The same reasons said family aren't housing them now. Not enough space, can't afford to care for them, relationship troubles, etc etc. So you admit that there's zero reason not to relocate them. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:912860860] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>glitteringfairy posted...</cite> <quote>Agreed. Send them all to Detroit. That city is practically empty. Thousands of abandoned homes for the taking!</quote> Honestly, any that would be willing to relocate should be given the option, but many have family where they are.</quote> Then their families can house them, and not cost taxpayers money, right?</quote> Nope.</quote> Why not?</quote> The same reasons said family aren't housing them now. Not enough space, can't afford to care for them, relationship troubles, etc etc.</quote> So you admit that there's zero reason not to relocate them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/22/18 4:13:57 PM #90:	darkjedilink posted... OctilIery posted... darkjedilink posted... OctilIery posted... darkjedilink posted... OctilIery posted... glitteringfairy posted... Agreed. Send them all to Detroit. That city is practically empty. Thousands of abandoned homes for the taking! Honestly, any that would be willing to relocate should be given the option, but many have family where they are. Then their families can house them, and not cost taxpayers money, right? Nope. Why not? The same reasons said family aren't housing them now. Not enough space, can't afford to care for them, relationship troubles, etc etc. So you admit that there's zero reason not to relocate them. Didn't say that anywhere. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912863571] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>glitteringfairy posted...</cite> <quote>Agreed. Send them all to Detroit. That city is practically empty. Thousands of abandoned homes for the taking!</quote> Honestly, any that would be willing to relocate should be given the option, but many have family where they are.</quote> Then their families can house them, and not cost taxpayers money, right?</quote> Nope.</quote> Why not?</quote> The same reasons said family aren't housing them now. Not enough space, can't afford to care for them, relationship troubles, etc etc.</quote> So you admit that there's zero reason not to relocate them.</quote> Didn't say that anywhere.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SauI_Goodman 11/22/18 4:19:16 PM #91:	Detroit empty? They have more than Miami. I am talking Detroit proper and Miami proper. Although the population is definitely going down and has been for a while. But, economically they're on the rise. --- Currently playing: RDR2 (ps4) Castlevania 4 (snes), Spiderman (ps4), Resident Evil (xbone) <cite>SauI_Goodman posted [p:912863831] in Friendly r... [t:77222405]...</cite> <quote>Detroit empty? They have more than Miami. I am talking Detroit proper and Miami proper. Although the population is definitely going down and has been for a while. But, economically they're on the rise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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