Board 8 > Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1307

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one of the tifa rallies was removed, and the other 3 have no traction at all

no hentai rallies yet

the two luigi rallies have even less action than tifa's
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ZenOfThunder posted...

one of the tifa rallies was removed, and the other 3 have no traction at all

no hentai rallies yet

the two luigi rallies have even less action than tifa's

Which Tifa rally got taken down :(
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one of them was a duplicate, it was a recordkeeper one

pretty sure there's still one there, i was just confused
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Either way, mine only has like 100 views so it's done almost nothing.

Either Tifa got a bandwagon or Luigi is just slightly weaker than X.
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ZenOfThunder posted...

the two luigi rallies have even less action than tifa's

Tifa's always got more action going on.
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DoctorJimmy133 posted...

Theres no way this ends better for Sephiroth than a super Pyrrhic victory

Well this was stupid
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I feel like if Tifa broke into a more Draven-esque rally strength before the end of the contest that ExTha won't care.
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HaRRicH posted...

I feel like if Tifa broke into a more Draven-esque rally strength before the end of the contest that ExTha won't care.

The chances of this are slim to none, but I would feel REALLY bad about it.
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Like I can't even tell you how upset I'd be

We're set up to have some all time great matches in the legends bracket, with some of our all time contest greats

and Tifa blows that all to hell coz of an offsite rally

No, it would be bad. Catastrophic. Even if I'd have some small joy about FFVII winning the contest again, it would very much be a case of NOT THIS WAY.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Like I can't even tell you how upset I'd be

We're set up to have some all time great matches in the legends bracket, with some of our all time contest greats

and Tifa blows that all to hell coz of an offsite rally

No, it would be bad. Catastrophic. Even if I'd have some small joy about FFVII winning the contest again, it would very much be a case of NOT THIS WAY.

Arent you the one who started all these Reddit rallies with tifa? What a hypocrite!

Moonroof posted...

Arent you the one who started all these Reddit rallies with tifa? What a hypocrite!

I hope you die
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Wahhh, someone is calling me out, let me come at them

very impressive performance by Sephiroth, Ryu was looking very strong and he is going to wind up 60-40ing him when all said and done. Pretty good.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Moonroof posted...

Arent you the one who started all these Reddit rallies with tifa? What a hypocrite!

I hope you die

That escalated quickly.
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TheOneAboveAll posted...

That escalated quickly.

so tired of having to explain myself to people
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Either Tifa got a bandwagon or Luigi is just slightly weaker than X.

Both are plausible. I thought Luigi > X was likely but I definitely don't see it as crazy that X would be the stronger of the two.
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By the way, how was seeding determined for the Legends? How does Mario end up at #7?
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ExThaNemesis posted...

TheOneAboveAll posted...

That escalated quickly.

so tired of having to explain myself to people

Sure. I guess death would be easier than explaining something again...
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ExThaNemesis posted...

TheOneAboveAll posted...

That escalated quickly.

so tired of having to explain myself to people

Durrr, maybe thats because everyone else is right and youre the lone jabroni

Lopen posted...

creativename posted...

Shes been pretty consistent in strength from the very first contest outside the female bracket.

This is only correct if you discard a bunch of other things dentists have agreed upon like

1. Mega Man gets SFFed/LFFed by Nintendo. We've seen evidence of this.
2. Sonic boosted between 04 and 06 as well (since he beat Crono and stats had never suggested he could)
3. Samus is completely on an island from Nintendo and wouldn't boost when Nintendo did, despite being SFFed by Mario and Link many a time.

Like the stats dentists agree upon literally have Samus boosting in 06. That's not me dishing out a wild theory that's you dishing one out and one you haven't really argued much aside from saying Samus is projected for a similar percentage on those two in 06 and 04. But you need to assume Sonic didn't boost and Mega didn't get SFFed for that to be relevant

MM may have gotten SFFed by Link, if thats what youre saying. Doesnt change that Samus has shown extreme consistency in strength from the very start. She actually is probably our most consistent character along with Link, come to think of it.

I already noted how 2K4 was peak Crono. Sonic didnt seem to boost from 2K5 to 2K6 if you look at guys like Squall Vincent Dante. And you were saying boosts should have an explanation, why would Sonic boost?

Samus is certainly less a Nintendo mascot than Mario and Link.

The dentists never agree on adjusted stats. Those are always made by an individual. I have no idea who made the stats you brought up or what the assumptions were, and I already noted I dont give much weight to adjusted stats, especially complex adjustments. And you are criticizing dentists while using a dentists adjustments as evidence.

Since Im sure the dentist consensus has a lot better track record than yours, youre not going to get anywhere attacking the notion of consensus itself. You have to show why your denial of the obvious is a better hypothesis, and youve not done this at all.

I am so being fucking trolled RN
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A purely hentai rally wouldn't always favour Tifa

ExThaNemesis posted...

I am so being fucking trolled RN

Ignore button exists
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ExThaNemesis posted...

I am so being fucking trolled RN

If you apologize for coming at me then I will consider forgiving you for ruining this years contest.

UltimaterializerX posted...

creativename posted...

If you predicted Mario with 60% and it wasnt because of a big Mario boost, you didnt have some brilliant foresight. You just got lucky.

Mario blowing out Samus was not luck.

Obviously the match itself cant be luck, if thats what youre saying.

But predicting Mario with 60% without a big Mario boost and getting it right is indeed luck. Just like if you picked Cloud over Seph finals in 2K3 but KH had nothing to do with your logic.

creativename posted...

You have to show why your denial of the obvious is a better hypothesis, and youve not done this at all.

You're the one denying consensus and results here, so the burden is actually on you here
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I believe that Samus could have beaten many opponents more badly than Mario could have, but she will always lose to Mario due to SFF.

TheOneAboveAll posted...

By the way, how was seeding determined for the Legends? How does Mario end up at #7?

Thats a great question.

Lopen posted...

creativename posted...

You have to show why your denial of the obvious is a better hypothesis, and youve not done this at all.

You're the one denying consensus and results here, so the burden is actually on you here

Say what? The consensus was always that Mario crew boosted.

Youre the first Ive ever seen claim Samus boosted, when again shes been one of our most consistent characters.

And youve not been able to answer my critiques of your evidence.

If you want to continue Im game, though were just going around in circles.

So.....2004 Samus vs. Crono, who wins?
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Thats close. But Crono.

Wow, shocked that Luigi is keeping it this close so far.

Even more shocked at the absolute beatdown Seph is putting on Ryu. Maybe we were too hasty in signing his death warrant
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It's funny that all these people who claim things are super obvious aren't dominating the oracle every contest. Lopen does at least have the #1 pick the match we're discussing but when you look at oracle history as a whole I think it's fairly safe to say creative is head and shoulders above most when it comes to analyzing strengths and predicting how matches go.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Nothing ExTha is doing is dumber than people trying to defend 2004's x-stats and still trying to claim that Samus was ever, at any point, stronger than fucking MARIO.

Imagine still defending such a stupid-ass pick a decade later. LOL X STATS AND LOL SAMUS > MARIO PEOPLE.

You obsess over this stats vs. anti stats gibberish for some bizarre reason. This is about reasonable hypotheses vs. unreasonable hypotheses.

UltimaterializerX posted...

creativename posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

creativename posted...

If you predicted Mario with 60% and it wasnt because of a big Mario boost, you didnt have some brilliant foresight. You just got lucky.

Mario blowing out Samus was not luck.

Obviously the match itself cant be luck, if thats what youre saying.

But predicting Mario with 60% without a big Mario boost and getting it right is indeed luck. Just like if you picked Cloud over Seph finals in 2K3 but KH had nothing to do with your logic.

We have ample proof that Mario SFFs everything in Nintendo except Link and maybe Pokemon. There was no way that match was going to be anything but a blowout, and only the LOL X STATS people are dumb enough to try arguing otherwise.

Manalytics > analytics.

Saying Mario beats Samus every year via rSFF/SFF is entirely reasonable.

Though are you claiming he was indirectly stronger than her in 2K4? I dont see how that would be unless Link SFFed Crono quite a bit, and I dont buy that. Mario got handled by Crono that year, and Samus did better on Cloud than Crono on Link.

Moonroof posted...

ExThaNemesis posted...

Like I can't even tell you how upset I'd be

We're set up to have some all time great matches in the legends bracket, with some of our all time contest greats

and Tifa blows that all to hell coz of an offsite rally

No, it would be bad. Catastrophic. Even if I'd have some small joy about FFVII winning the contest again, it would very much be a case of NOT THIS WAY.

Arent you the one who started all these Reddit rallies with tifa? What a hypocrite!

Let's be clear here, ExTha did nothing last round, besides completely change his stance on rallies in this topic. Zen posted all the hentai threads, and some other dude did the bigger FF subreddits
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Wait, I've been busy the last couple days, why on earth are people arguing Samus/Mario 2k4?

I thought that was dead and settled years ago
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UltimaterializerX posted...

This is why us never getting a Mario/Sonic 1v1 match is a crime. It would have ended this moronic argument ages ago.

How so?

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Wow, shocked that Luigi is keeping it this close so far.

Even more shocked at the absolute beatdown Seph is putting on Ryu. Maybe we were too hasty in signing his death warrant

Yeah Seph is really pleasantly surprising me here.

It really is pathetic how people here complained about the Reddit rallies last time but justify them this time because theyre smaller. They still affect outcomes

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Wait, I've been busy the last couple days, why on earth are people arguing Samus/Mario 2k4?

I thought that was dead and settled years ago

Dude where have you been?

That will never die.

The year will be 2050 and people will still be arguing about Mario/Samus rSFF
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Wait, I've been busy the last couple days, why on earth are people arguing Samus/Mario 2k4?

I thought that was dead and settled years ago

Talk about hierarchies with Kirby/Bower and potentially Zelda/Samus caused someone to bring it up, then me and Lopen started having a spat on it after he said Samus boosted in 2K5 and I disagreed.

What were the guru picks like for Mario/Samus in 05?

I thought it was pretty much a toss-up.
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