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EverDownward
11/16/18 12:58:05 PM
#101:


Digital only future is happening. You will comply, or you will be left behind.
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AvantgardeAClue
11/16/18 12:59:19 PM
#102:


Unknown5uspect posted...
Mr_Karate_II posted...
Seems like only micro$oft fanboys are ok with this.

You buy a game you don't like then you're stuck with it...

You do know you can refund digital games in the MS Store, right?


No he doesn't because he admitted to not having an Xbone.
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Unknown5uspect
11/16/18 1:00:24 PM
#103:


AvantgardeAClue posted...
Unknown5uspect posted...
Mr_Karate_II posted...
Seems like only micro$oft fanboys are ok with this.

You buy a game you don't like then you're stuck with it...

You do know you can refund digital games in the MS Store, right?


No he doesn't because he admitted to not having an Xbone.

Well maybe he should shut the fuck up then because he doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Guide
11/16/18 1:05:08 PM
#104:


andel posted...
Guide posted...
Trade-ins are a scam anyway. If you actually sell your games on ebay or amazon, that's one thing, but gamestop is for suckers.


i dont ever sell any games and own hundreds but the choice should be a thing. gleefully giving up consumer choice is shortsighted and not very smart


You can keep repeating that, but no one is giving up consumer choice. Digital download has already been a common thing for a very long time, and discs haven't gone anywhere.

Yet.

Inevitably they will be relegated to the niche by the market, since making discs takes time and money and digital is getting more convenient by the second.

Heck, maybe now's the time. A market shift isn't the same that consumers "giving up choice", by the way. It's the same as the ongoing replacement of old TVs. I still keep a CRT for old games, but I don't blame consumers "giving up choice" for manufacturers not producing them as the standard anymore, because that would be really stupid for obvious reasons.
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eston
11/16/18 1:05:25 PM
#105:


I feel like a lot of people in this topic are unaware that third-party retailers can also sell digital copies of Xbox games
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CruelBuffalo
11/16/18 1:05:58 PM
#106:


iPhone_7 posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
iPhone_7 posted...
I cant remember the last time I put a disc in my Xbox one.

Same, only one i buy physical games for is my switch since Nintendo has shitty options for storage

I bought a 400 gb micro sd for my Switch. I dont think Ill have to worry much about storage, its not like its going to get big multiplat games anyways.


How much was that btw? nintendo just scares me because they are not good about giving you access to your games if you lets say lose your console.

With xbox I can literally just bring my hard drive and play it at a friends house.
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Bruce_Somali
11/16/18 1:08:33 PM
#108:


Antifar posted...
but if it means you can get the console cheaper, that seems like an okay tradeoff


Have fun spending double what you paid for the console on external hard drives.
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Guide
11/16/18 1:10:08 PM
#109:


Bruce_Somali posted...
Antifar posted...
but if it means you can get the console cheaper, that seems like an okay tradeoff


Have fun spending double what you paid for the console on external hard drives.


Boy. Son. Young man.

I know you spend 3 hours downloading patches for every big name AAA title you get anyway. Are you getting a ton of external hard drives?
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CruelBuffalo
11/16/18 1:12:56 PM
#110:


Bruce_Somali posted...
Antifar posted...
but if it means you can get the console cheaper, that seems like an okay tradeoff


Have fun spending double what you paid for the console on external hard drives.

WD 2TB Elements Portable External Hard
$65 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06W55K9N6

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Zack_Attackv1
11/16/18 1:14:34 PM
#111:


I guess they really don't like making money.
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andel
11/16/18 1:18:53 PM
#113:


Guide posted...
andel posted...
Guide posted...
Trade-ins are a scam anyway. If you actually sell your games on ebay or amazon, that's one thing, but gamestop is for suckers.


i dont ever sell any games and own hundreds but the choice should be a thing. gleefully giving up consumer choice is shortsighted and not very smart


You can keep repeating that, but no one is giving up consumer choice. Digital download has already been a common thing for a very long time, and discs haven't gone anywhere.

Yet.

Inevitably they will be relegated to the niche by the market, since making discs takes time and money and digital is getting more convenient by the second.

Heck, maybe now's the time. A market shift isn't the same that consumers "giving up choice", by the way. It's the same as the ongoing replacement of old TVs. I still keep a CRT for old games, but I don't blame consumers "giving up choice" for manufacturers not producing them as the standard anymore, because that would be really stupid for obvious reasons.


it is apparent that you dont mind slurping consumer harming practices but obviously the consumer gets the final word as they drive profits and success. physical games aren't going anywhere anytime soon as they are still the vastly preferred medium of gamers.

again, sony is dominating this generation and leaving microsoft in the dust in large part because of shady practices that alienate consumers such as this. you can scream as loudly as you want about physical games being a relic of the past but you are continually proven wrong at every turn.
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Pus_N_Pecans
11/16/18 1:21:31 PM
#114:


Noirespanties posted...
This is o good idea for people who want it

This. Im not interested personally, but its a unique and interesting offer.
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Funkydog
11/16/18 1:41:29 PM
#115:


andel posted...
you can scream as loudly as you want about physical games being a relic of the past but you are continually proven wrong at every turn.

Only 1/4 of games sold are physical copies these days. A complete flip from 10 years ago.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/190225/digital-and-physical-game-sales-in-the-us-since-2009/

Regardless of what people say, digital has already taken over.
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andel
11/16/18 2:23:38 PM
#116:


Funkydog posted...
andel posted...
you can scream as loudly as you want about physical games being a relic of the past but you are continually proven wrong at every turn.

Only 1/4 of games sold are physical copies these days. A complete flip from 10 years ago.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/190225/digital-and-physical-game-sales-in-the-us-since-2009/

Regardless of what people say, digital has already taken over.


this isnt accurate as it includes stuff like facebook/cell phone game purchases. with consoles physical copies still far outsell digital which is what this topic is about
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ThexFury
11/16/18 2:40:11 PM
#117:


Why would you need to trade your disk in? Why not just allow you to install it to the HDD, keep the disk, and map the serial # on the disk to your Xbox live account? They could keep it in a database so if anyone tried to install the game, and dump it for store credit at Gamestop, it would get flagged.
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Funkydog
11/16/18 2:43:38 PM
#118:


andel posted...
this isnt accurate as it includes stuff like facebook/cell phone game purchases. with consoles physical copies still far outsell digital which is what this topic is about

So it does. Didn't see that.
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ViewtifulGrave
11/16/18 2:57:44 PM
#119:


CruelBuffalo posted...
Ugh whiny gamers kill so much potential innovation by overdramatic whining its ridiculous lol

I got locked out of my account before and lost all of my stuff. If those were physical games Id still have them.
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Damn_Underscore
11/16/18 3:11:50 PM
#121:


This sounded cool until "trade disc for digital"

lolno I'm not going to do that
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A_Good_Boy
11/16/18 3:23:17 PM
#122:


All of my games are digital anyways. I'd prefer a digital only console because I don't want to store discs.
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Bruce_Somali
11/16/18 3:26:54 PM
#123:


Guide posted...
Bruce_Somali posted...
Antifar posted...
but if it means you can get the console cheaper, that seems like an okay tradeoff


Have fun spending double what you paid for the console on external hard drives.


Boy. Son. Young man.

I know you spend 3 hours downloading patches for every big name AAA title you get anyway. Are you getting a ton of external hard drives?


No, because I buy discs like a normal person and don't want to spend extra money on storage? Duh
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AvantgardeAClue
11/16/18 3:27:39 PM
#124:


I love how Xbox has this reputation for being some totalitarian regime thanks to their shitty reveal when in reality they're about the same as PS4 in terms of overall services, if not better. Hell there are even a few areas where Xbox shines. They routinely offer Game Pass and Xbox Live for $1 while Sony has been hardass on their Playstation Plus prices
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Bruce_Somali
11/16/18 3:27:43 PM
#125:


Plus if you want to play online, you have to download patches and updates. Do you even game bro lol
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A_Good_Boy
11/16/18 3:30:48 PM
#126:


So what's the issue here? You're downloading data to play your games anyways. Why not just make the leap and ditch the disc?
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AvantgardeAClue
11/16/18 3:42:56 PM
#127:


A_Good_Boy posted...
So what's the issue here? You're downloading data to play your games anyways. Why not just make the leap and ditch the disc?


My Switch is all digital because as the Vita taught me physical game cards tend to suck major ass when the slot requires the tip of your finger to eject them.

It's pretty great tbh, swap games in literally seconds and no need to worry about losing those little shits.

People still think Nintendo's account management is shit even though you've been able to save your games to an account since the 3DS
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AvantgardeAClue
11/16/18 3:46:44 PM
#129:


Conflict posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
I love how Xbox has this reputation for being some totalitarian regime thanks to their shitty reveal when in reality they're about the same as PS4 in terms of overall services, if not better. Hell there are even a few areas where Xbox shines. They routinely offer Game Pass and Xbox Live for $1 while Sony has been hardass on their Playstation Plus prices


The services are better but they really dropped the ball hard this gen after being so dominant in the previous one


Gaming generations are a marathon, not a sprint.

Remember how fucked the PS3 was at launch but eventually finished in a respectable spot? That's where the Xbone is headed this gen, and that's okay.

Going off of Sony's current cycle the PS5 might end up being behind next gen too
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shiby with it
11/16/18 4:10:17 PM
#131:


I absolutely refuse to buy a disc-less (or cartridgeless) console.
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Mr_Karate_II
11/16/18 4:15:12 PM
#132:


AvantgardeAClue posted...
Unknown5uspect posted...
Mr_Karate_II posted...
Seems like only micro$oft fanboys are ok with this.

You buy a game you don't like then you're stuck with it...

You do know you can refund digital games in the MS Store, right?


No he doesn't because he admitted to not having an Xbone.

You're right, i don't have an xbone but i am going by what the terms and conditions say when i buy a game on my 360. It says no refunds.
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Mr_Karate_II
11/16/18 4:15:37 PM
#133:


Micro$oft never learns.
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Insanititious
11/16/18 4:24:39 PM
#134:


Wait, wait. Does this mean once you turn it into a digital download, you own that game forever on your account or nah?
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AvantgardeAClue
11/16/18 4:30:04 PM
#135:


Conflict posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
People still think Nintendo's account management is shit even though you've been able to save your games to an account since the 3DS


It's because it is shit

It was only until now that you're able to backup save data and they do it in the most ass way possible/don't back it up to the cloud if you aren't subscribed to their online service. When they could've just mimicked Microsoft and been done with it


Well yes the Switch data management is atrocious, but this whole "I'll lose my entire collection with Nintendo" hasn't been true for years. My friend got his 3DS stolen with his bag a year or two ago, and one phone call later and he could redownload all of his games to his new system no sweat.

Meanwhile my fucking Bravely Default save got corrupted on the game cart and that's why I haven't finished it yet.
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Makeveli_lives
11/16/18 4:37:57 PM
#137:


ModLogic posted...
digital cuckage saga continues

Outside of day 1 sales, I'm 100% going full digital next generation. Provided storage is easy to handle of course.
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Mr_Rian
11/16/18 4:42:14 PM
#138:


ThexFury posted...
Why would you need to trade your disk in? Why not just allow you to install it to the HDD, keep the disk, and map the serial # on the disk to your Xbox live account? They could keep it in a database so if anyone tried to install the game, and dump it for store credit at Gamestop, it would get flagged.

How, pray tell, do you expect one to install a game to the HDD from a disc without a disc drive? What serial number after you even talking about, too?
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FL81
11/16/18 4:50:25 PM
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Mr_Rian
11/16/18 4:55:51 PM
#142:


@ClunkerSlim posted...
The most consumer friendly option would involve using your old system to read the discs. So what would happen is you'd download an app to your old system, put the disc in, and then that game gets added to your account. Then you go out, buy your new system, and all the games are ready as soon as you log in.

Why am I going out to buy a new system if my old one works just fine? And again, what serial number is unique in these discs? Every disc from the same game seem to have the same UPC on them and nothing else.
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Tyranthraxus
11/16/18 4:56:36 PM
#143:


Microsoft to offer thing that has been on PC since 2003.

Discuss.
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Darmik
11/16/18 4:57:03 PM
#144:


I hope I can do the trade-in program without buying the console for Rare Replay and Master Chief Collection. Those discs are worthless.
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Tyranthraxus
11/16/18 4:58:35 PM
#145:


Mr_Rian posted...
@ClunkerSlim posted...
The most consumer friendly option would involve using your old system to read the discs. So what would happen is you'd download an app to your old system, put the disc in, and then that game gets added to your account. Then you go out, buy your new system, and all the games are ready as soon as you log in.

Why am I going out to buy a new system if my old one works just fine? And again, what serial number is unique in these discs? Every disc from the same game seem to have the same UPC on them and nothing else.

You can't see it. It's digital. It has nothing to do with the UPC but it's there.
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Darmik
11/16/18 4:58:58 PM
#146:


ClunkerSlim posted...
@Mr_Rian posted...
@ThexFury posted...
Why would you need to trade your disk in? Why not just allow you to install it to the HDD, keep the disk, and map the serial # on the disk to your Xbox live account? They could keep it in a database so if anyone tried to install the game, and dump it for store credit at Gamestop, it would get flagged.

How, pray tell, do you expect one to install a game to the HDD from a disc without a disc drive? What serial number after you even talking about, too?

The most consumer friendly option would involve using your old system to read the discs. So what would happen is you'd download an app to your old system, put the disc in, and then that game gets added to your account. Then you go out, buy your new system, and all the games are ready as soon as you log in.

But why do that when Microsoft can get a shit ton of free product to sell back to the used game market? Seriously, fuck turning in your old discs.


If it was that easy why don't consoles do this regardless?
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Mr_Rian
11/16/18 5:01:38 PM
#148:


Tyranthraxus posted...
You can't see it. It's digital. It has nothing to do with the UPC but it's there.

Is there a link to Microsoft describing this?
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Mr_Karate_II
11/16/18 5:02:35 PM
#149:


Don't see how this is gonna be successful.
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Tyranthraxus
11/16/18 5:04:01 PM
#150:


Mr_Rian posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
You can't see it. It's digital. It has nothing to do with the UPC but it's there.

Is there a link to Microsoft describing this?

It's how the old DRM scheme worked. You could run the game indefinitely off the HDD without the disc. The online check was to see if you had given the disc to someone else at which point it would deactivate itself.
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Mr_Rian
11/16/18 5:13:00 PM
#151:


Tyranthraxus posted...
It's how the old DRM scheme worked. You could run the game indefinitely off the HDD without the disc. The online check was to see if you had given the disc to someone else at which point it would deactivate itself.

Again, is there a link from Microsoft about current games having a hidden digital serial number on each disc? I'd just like to read up on it.
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Darmik
11/16/18 5:16:33 PM
#152:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Mr_Rian posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
You can't see it. It's digital. It has nothing to do with the UPC but it's there.

Is there a link to Microsoft describing this?

It's how the old DRM scheme worked. You could run the game indefinitely off the HDD without the disc. The online check was to see if you had given the disc to someone else at which point it would deactivate itself.


But that was scrapped before launch. I don't think they ever explained how that would have been handled.
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