Poll of the Day > Swatter may get 20 years in prison

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Lil_Bit83 11/17/18 2:59:04 PM #52:	Locke90 posted... streamofthesky posted... Locke90 posted... Revelation34 posted... Troll_Police_ posted... Youre conveniently leaving out all the details that make your perspective dumb homie. You go through life with those blinders on all you want, but the rest of the world goes on existing even when you dont see it. Like i said though, youve never been in a high pressure or life threatening situation before and probably never will so im sure its super easy for you to judge from your parents basement. There are no details being left out. Cops got away with shooting an unarmed person. Simple as that. Except you completely ignore the fact that barriss had phoned up saying that he had killed someone and taken people hostage. "We've got a hostage situation in there. Huh? Someone's opening the front door?" "Shoot!" "But, it could be a hostage escaping...." "Who gives a shit about that, just shoot damn it!" He was shot because he reached for something in his waistband. I don't know. I mean we'd all like to believe that we'd be cool and calm in a frightening, tense situation. But unfortunately, sometimes peoples brains don't function the way we'd like them too, and its not everyday a Swat team shows on up on the doorstep of an ordinary person minding there own business. It was just a fucked up situation all around, caused by a juvenile dipshit, who thinks this kinda thing is funny and can't be assed to cough up a buck fifty. --- I'm a chick <cite>Lil_Bit83 posted [p:912570173] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote><cite>Locke90 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>streamofthesky posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Locke90 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Troll_Police_ posted...</cite> <quote>Youre conveniently leaving out all the details that make your perspective dumb homie. You go through life with those blinders on all you want, but the rest of the world goes on existing even when you dont see it. Like i said though, youve never been in a high pressure or life threatening situation before and probably never will so im sure its super easy for you to judge from your parents basement.</quote> There are no details being left out. Cops got away with shooting an unarmed person. Simple as that.</quote> Except you completely ignore the fact that barriss had phoned up saying that he had killed someone and taken people hostage.</quote> "We've got a hostage situation in there. Huh? Someone's opening the front door?" "Shoot!" "But, it could be a hostage escaping...." "Who gives a shit about that, just shoot damn it!"</quote> He was shot because he reached for something in his waistband.</quote> I don't know. I mean we'd all like to believe that we'd be cool and calm in a frightening, tense situation. But unfortunately, sometimes peoples brains don't function the way we'd like them too, and its not everyday a Swat team shows on up on the doorstep of an ordinary person minding there own business. It was just a fucked up situation all around, caused by a juvenile dipshit, who thinks this kinda thing is funny and can't be assed to cough up a buck fifty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth C Ryu 11/17/18 10:47:16 PM #53:	Blighboy posted... Swatter should be charged and deserves what he gets, but so should the police officer. If the situation had been real he could have easily been shooting a hostage. Police cannot operate like that when 99% of the people they interact with are not criminals. Honestly, this is the first decent post made this topic on what the officer ACTUALLY did wrong. If I were an actual criminal in a real version of what that swatter faked, and someone rang the door bell in the middle of whatever the hell I am doing, why the hell would I BE THE ONE TO ANSWER THE DOOR? Hell no. Especially if I saw and heard sirens. I would make one hostage answer the door while telling them I will shoot another hostage(s) (likely their loved ones) member if they say anything wrong. Or if I have reason to believe I have been sufficiently compromised, I will drag one of the hostages with me to use as a shield. If you are a police man responding to a criminal holed up in a house with hostages, YOU DO NOT FIRE ON WHOEVER OPENS THE DOOR. Regardless of which of these two actions this hypothetical criminal did, that officer would have shot an innocent victim when the door opened. . --- I am the Hunter of Topics. My post never fails to kill its prey. pounces Nyaa! <cite>Sephiroth C Ryu posted [p:912593044] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blighboy posted...</cite> <quote>Swatter should be charged and deserves what he gets, but so should the police officer. If the situation had been real he could have easily been shooting a hostage. Police cannot operate like that when 99% of the people they interact with are not criminals.</quote> Honestly, this is the first decent post made this topic on what the officer ACTUALLY did wrong. If I were an actual criminal in a real version of what that swatter faked, and someone rang the door bell in the middle of whatever the hell I am doing, why the hell would I BE THE ONE TO ANSWER THE DOOR? Hell no. Especially if I saw and heard sirens. I would make one hostage answer the door while telling them I will shoot another hostage(s) (likely their loved ones) member if they say anything wrong. Or if I have reason to believe I have been sufficiently compromised, I will drag one of the hostages with me to use as a shield. If you are a police man responding to a criminal holed up in a house with hostages, YOU DO NOT FIRE ON WHOEVER OPENS THE DOOR. Regardless of which of these two actions this hypothetical criminal did, that officer would have shot an innocent victim when the door opened. .</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 11/17/18 10:49:38 PM #54:	Revelation34 posted... Locke90 posted... Why should anything happen to the cop he is as much of a victim as the man he was used as a catspaw to shoot. He shot an unarmed man just because he answered the door. No, he shot an unarmed man just because dispatch informed him that the man was armed, dangerous, holding a family hostage, and had spread petrol throughout the house where a single match would kill everybody inside.... and, of course, because the man reached for his belt instead of obeying orders. Revelation34 posted... Troll_Police_ posted... Youre conveniently leaving out all the details that make your perspective dumb homie. You go through life with those blinders on all you want, but the rest of the world goes on existing even when you dont see it. Like i said though, youve never been in a high pressure or life threatening situation before and probably never will so im sure its super easy for you to judge from your parents basement. There are no details being left out. Cops got away with shooting an unarmed person. Simple as that. No, you're pretty purposefully leaving out a lot of details while ignoring others. After all, why aren't you insisting that the 911 dispatcher be charged? --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:912593137] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Locke90 posted...</cite> <quote>Why should anything happen to the cop he is as much of a victim as the man he was used as a catspaw to shoot.</quote> He shot an unarmed man just because he answered the door.</quote> No, he shot an unarmed man just because dispatch informed him that the man was armed, dangerous, holding a family hostage, and had spread petrol throughout the house where a single match would kill everybody inside.... and, of course, because the man reached for his belt instead of obeying orders. <cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Troll_Police_ posted...</cite> <quote>Youre conveniently leaving out all the details that make your perspective dumb homie. You go through life with those blinders on all you want, but the rest of the world goes on existing even when you dont see it. Like i said though, youve never been in a high pressure or life threatening situation before and probably never will so im sure its super easy for you to judge from your parents basement.</quote> There are no details being left out. Cops got away with shooting an unarmed person. Simple as that.</quote> No, you're pretty purposefully leaving out a lot of details while ignoring others. After all, why aren't you insisting that the 911 dispatcher be charged?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
some09guy II 11/18/18 3:17:44 AM #55:	Zeus posted... No, he shot an unarmed man just because dispatch informed him that the man was armed, dangerous, holding a family hostage, and had spread petrol throughout the house where a single match would kill everybody inside.... and, of course, because the man reached for his belt instead of obeying orders. Which doesn't matter. How was the cop to know the person answering the door was the suspect in question? If the house was full of petrol, that a single match could light, how is firing a weapon anywhere near that house a good idea? If that was the chief concern, why is a cop knocking on the door to begin with rather than, say, calling his phone? And most importantly, it doesn't matter if he was reaching into his waistband. It wouldn't even matter if he was armed when he walked out. The man was genuinely confused as to why cops would be knocking on his door and demanding he put his hands in the air, as most people would. Does that give cops the right to kill most people in their own home? No. They should require better critical thinking when handling a firearm. They should have a fear of God in them, that if they shoot someone that could have been handled peacefully, they will go to prison. If not, then they shouldn't be cops. Zeus posted... No, you're pretty purposefully leaving out a lot of details while ignoring others. After all, why aren't you insisting that the 911 dispatcher be charged? ...why would the dispatcher possibly be charged? Nobody is saying that calls like this shouldn't be followed up on. They should be treated seriously, every time. <cite>some09guy II posted [p:912601494] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>No, he shot an unarmed man just because dispatch informed him that the man was armed, dangerous, holding a family hostage, and had spread petrol throughout the house where a single match would kill everybody inside.... and, of course, because the man reached for his belt instead of obeying orders. </quote> Which doesn't matter. How was the cop to know the person answering the door was the suspect in question? If the house was full of petrol, that a single match could light, how is firing a weapon anywhere near that house a good idea? If that was the chief concern, why is a cop knocking on the door to begin with rather than, say, calling his phone? And most importantly, it doesn't matter if he was reaching into his waistband. It wouldn't even matter if he was armed when he walked out. The man was genuinely confused as to why cops would be knocking on his door and demanding he put his hands in the air, as most people would. Does that give cops the right to kill most people in their own home? No. They should require better critical thinking when handling a firearm. They should have a fear of God in them, that if they shoot someone that could have been handled peacefully, they will go to prison. If not, then they shouldn't be cops. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>No, you're pretty purposefully leaving out a lot of details while ignoring others. After all, why aren't you insisting that the 911 dispatcher be charged?</quote> ...why would the dispatcher possibly be charged? Nobody is saying that calls like this shouldn't be followed up on. They should be treated seriously, every time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 11/18/18 12:43:11 PM #56:	Zeus posted... No, you're pretty purposefully leaving out a lot of details while ignoring others. After all, why aren't you insisting that the 911 dispatcher be charged? The dispatcher has nothing to do with a cop being a fuckwit at his job. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:912616426] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote> No, you're pretty purposefully leaving out a lot of details while ignoring others. After all, why aren't you insisting that the 911 dispatcher be charged?</quote> The dispatcher has nothing to do with a cop being a fuckwit at his job.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 11/19/18 6:47:56 PM #57:	some09guy II posted... Which doesn't matter. How was the cop to know the person answering the door was the suspect in question? You mean besides the fact that the family was being held hostage in a closet? And the fact that the ONLY other adult male reportedly in the house was the father he claimed he killed? However, to play it safe, that's why they ordered the guy to keep his hands up and gave him repeated warnings when he first started to reach for his belt. some09guy II posted... If the house was full of petrol, that a single match could light, how is firing a weapon anywhere near that house a good idea? ...that's not how it works. The point of ignition is around the gun itself, a bullet fired from distance wouldn't start a fire. Shooting a bullet into a gas tank won't even ignite anything. www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/mythbusters-database/shooting-gas-tank/ some09guy II posted... If that was the chief concern, why is a cop knocking on the door to begin with rather than, say, calling his phone? ....wtf? Do you literally know nothing about this case and that's why you're posting all of this dumb shit? They NEVER knocked on the door. They weren't close to the suspect at any time. If they were, they could have just tackled him. some09guy II posted... Does that give cops the right to kill most people in their own home? No. They should require better critical thinking when handling a firearm. They should have a fear of God in them, that if they shoot someone that could have been handled peacefully, they will go to prison. If not, then they shouldn't be cops. You should use better critical thinking considering that, if things were as reported, all he had to do was reach down to set the house ablaze and kill the remaining people. some09guy II posted... ...why would the dispatcher possibly be charged? Nobody is saying that calls like this shouldn't be followed up on. They should be treated seriously, every time. ...then why would the officer be charged? Dispatch acted more negligently while passing along the report. They gave the officers bad intel which directly led to the shooting. Had they been more properly informed, they would have approached the threat differently. Revelation34 posted... The dispatcher has nothing to do with a cop being a fuckwit at his job. The dispatcher being a fuckwit at their job was mostly responsible for the police response. If you're partitioning blame because somebody acted improperly, why wouldn't you put most of that blame squarely on dispatch who should have advised that the call sounded phony? --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:912698519] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote><cite>some09guy II posted...</cite> <quote>Which doesn't matter. How was the cop to know the person answering the door was the suspect in question?</quote> You mean besides the fact that the family was being held hostage in a closet? And the fact that the ONLY other adult male reportedly in the house was the father he claimed he killed? However, to play it safe, that's why they ordered the guy to keep his hands up and gave him repeated warnings when he first started to reach for his belt. <cite>some09guy II posted...</cite> <quote>If the house was full of petrol, that a single match could light, how is firing a weapon anywhere near that house a good idea?</quote> ...that's not how it works. The point of ignition is around the gun itself, a bullet fired from distance wouldn't start a fire. Shooting a bullet into a gas tank won't even ignite anything. www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/mythbusters-database/shooting-gas-tank/ <cite>some09guy II posted...</cite> <quote> If that was the chief concern, why is a cop knocking on the door to begin with rather than, say, calling his phone?</quote> ....wtf? Do you literally know nothing about this case and that's why you're posting all of this dumb shit? They NEVER knocked on the door. They weren't close to the suspect at any time. If they were, they could have just tackled him. <cite>some09guy II posted...</cite> <quote> Does that give cops the right to kill most people in their own home? No. They should require better critical thinking when handling a firearm. They should have a fear of God in them, that if they shoot someone that could have been handled peacefully, they will go to prison. If not, then they shouldn't be cops.</quote> You should use better critical thinking considering that, if things were as reported, all he had to do was reach down to set the house ablaze and kill the remaining people. <cite>some09guy II posted...</cite> <quote>...why would the dispatcher possibly be charged? Nobody is saying that calls like this shouldn't be followed up on. They should be treated seriously, every time. </quote> ...then why would the officer be charged? Dispatch acted more negligently while passing along the report. They gave the officers bad intel which directly led to the shooting. Had they been more properly informed, they would have approached the threat differently. <cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote> The dispatcher has nothing to do with a cop being a fuckwit at his job.</quote> The dispatcher being a fuckwit at their job was mostly responsible for the police response. If you're partitioning blame because somebody acted improperly, why wouldn't you put most of that blame squarely on dispatch who should have advised that the call sounded phony?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blighboy 11/19/18 6:50:11 PM #58:	Zeus posted... ....wtf? Do you literally know nothing about this case and that's why you're posting all of this dumb shit? They NEVER knocked on the door. They weren't close to the suspect at any time. If they were, they could have just tackled him. They were clearly in immediate danger then. --- https://i.imgtc.com/IoWAUSb.jpg <cite>Blighboy posted [p:912698639] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>....wtf? Do you literally know nothing about this case and that's why you're posting all of this dumb shit? They NEVER knocked on the door. They weren't close to the suspect at any time. If they were, they could have just tackled him. </quote> They were clearly in immediate danger then.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 11/19/18 6:55:13 PM #59:	That cop was clearly looking forward to "blowing away a bad guy" but he "leaped before he looked". It's almost like they should confirm the scenario first instead acting like fucking Wyatt Earp. --- "puhhh" - Troll_Police_ - 11/15/18 PSN - SunWuKung420 <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:912698916] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote>That cop was clearly looking forward to "blowing away a bad guy" but he "leaped before he looked". It's almost like they should confirm the scenario first instead acting like fucking Wyatt Earp.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 11/19/18 9:49:00 PM #60:	Zeus posted... The dispatcher being a fuckwit at their job was mostly responsible for the police response. If you're partitioning blame because somebody acted improperly, why wouldn't you put most of that blame squarely on dispatch who should have advised that the call sounded phony? Because obviously it didn't sound phony. Only the cop fucked anything up and got away with shooting somebody who was unarmed just because he's a cop. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:912709081] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>The dispatcher being a fuckwit at their job was mostly responsible for the police response. If you're partitioning blame because somebody acted improperly, why wouldn't you put most of that blame squarely on dispatch who should have advised that the call sounded phony?</quote> Because obviously it didn't sound phony. Only the cop fucked anything up and got away with shooting somebody who was unarmed just because he's a cop.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Final Fantasy2389 11/19/18 9:55:33 PM #61:	I hope everyone who swats gets 20 years. It's sick. --- Ha Ji-won <3 https://imgur.com/WsrLCO6 \| https://imgur.com/GNxSzQq \| https://imgur.com/PrYgCg6 <cite>Final Fantasy2389 posted [p:912709476] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote>I hope everyone who swats gets 20 years. It's sick.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RytonX 11/19/18 10:58:55 PM #62:	Revelation34 posted... Locke90 posted... the officer was just doing his job "Shoot first and ask questions later isn't doing your job." Asking questions of an armed suspect isn't doing your job. I have a degree in Criminology. I never became a cop but I have an idea of how it works. No cop is going into that with the first thought to talk down the suspect. Every cop goes in to an armed suspect situation hoping not to die. --- H440- i5 4690k (4.4ghz)- Thermaltake Water 3.0- Asus z97a- G.Skill 8gb 1600hz- Gigabyte G1 Gaming gtx 970- Adata 256gb SSD- EVGA SuperNOVA 750w Gold <cite>RytonX posted [p:912713481] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Locke90 posted...</cite> <quote>the officer was just doing his job</quote> "Shoot first and ask questions later isn't doing your job."</quote> Asking questions of an armed suspect isn't doing your job. I have a degree in Criminology. I never became a cop but I have an idea of how it works. No cop is going into that with the first thought to talk down the suspect. Every cop goes in to an armed suspect situation hoping not to die.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 11/20/18 12:47:19 PM #63:	RytonX posted... Asking questions of an armed suspect isn't doing your job. I have a degree in Criminology. I never became a cop but I have an idea of how it works. No cop is going into that with the first thought to talk down the suspect. Every cop goes in to an armed suspect situation hoping not to die. Well you're totally going to die because somebody opened a door after all. Makes sense. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:912740448] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote><cite>RytonX posted...</cite> <quote> Asking questions of an armed suspect isn't doing your job. I have a degree in Criminology. I never became a cop but I have an idea of how it works. No cop is going into that with the first thought to talk down the suspect. Every cop goes in to an armed suspect situation hoping not to die.</quote> Well you're totally going to die because somebody opened a door after all. Makes sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth 11/20/18 2:09:19 PM #64:	"He was reaching for his belt" is basically the new "he had crack on him." --- It's okay, I have no idea who I am either. https://imgur.com/WOo6wcq <cite>Zareth posted [p:912744800] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote>"He was reaching for his belt" is basically the new "he had crack on him."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
some09guy II 11/20/18 7:27:58 PM #65:	Zeus posted... You mean besides the fact that... Yes, besides those facts. What you seem to forget is that the person shot wasn't actually guilty of anything. Things change, circumstances change, and shooting someone based on an assumption is how innocent people die on their own porch. ...that's not how it works. The point of ignition... Bullets can spark off of steel. ....wtf? Do you literally know nothing about this case It was a figure of speech. Do YOU know anything about the case? Because apparently you don't realize that the officer had very little information when he performed the shooting, yet you act like he was given an entire dossier of the situation. ...then why would the officer be charged? Dispatch acted more negligently while passing along the report. They gave the officers bad intel which directly led to the shooting. Had they been more properly informed, they would have approached the threat differently. ... That's dumb. I'm not going to talk with you anymore. RytonX posted... Asking questions of an armed suspect isn't doing your job. Which is exactly what the problem is. <cite>some09guy II posted [p:912761485] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>You mean besides the fact that...</quote> Yes, besides those facts. What you seem to forget is that the person shot wasn't actually guilty of anything. Things change, circumstances change, and shooting someone based on an assumption is how innocent people die on their own porch. <quote>...that's not how it works. The point of ignition...</quote> Bullets can spark off of steel. <quote>....wtf? Do you literally know nothing about this case</quote> It was a figure of speech. Do YOU know anything about the case? Because apparently you don't realize that the officer had very little information when he performed the shooting, yet you act like he was given an entire dossier of the situation. <quote>...then why would the officer be charged? Dispatch acted more negligently while passing along the report. They gave the officers bad intel which directly led to the shooting. Had they been more properly informed, they would have approached the threat differently. </quote> ... That's dumb. I'm not going to talk with you anymore. <cite>RytonX posted...</cite> <quote>Asking questions of an armed suspect isn't doing your job.</quote> Which is exactly what the problem is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 11/20/18 10:38:25 PM #66:	Blighboy posted... Zeus posted... ....wtf? Do you literally know nothing about this case and that's why you're posting all of this dumb shit? They NEVER knocked on the door. They weren't close to the suspect at any time. If they were, they could have just tackled him. They were clearly in immediate danger then. ...I know you're doing a bit right now, but I still need to clarify that the FAMILY was the one alleged to be in imminent danger. Granted, a guy going for a gun and shooting could hurt the officers as well. Revelation34 posted... Zeus posted... The dispatcher being a fuckwit at their job was mostly responsible for the police response. If you're partitioning blame because somebody acted improperly, why wouldn't you put most of that blame squarely on dispatch who should have advised that the call sounded phony? Because obviously it didn't sound phony. Only the cop fucked anything up and got away with shooting somebody who was unarmed just because he's a cop. lolwut? "Obviously it didn't sound phony"? Are you just compounding you ignorance now? You clearly didn't even listen to the call. And dispatch was the one who really fucked up because it gave incredibly bad intel to officers. some09guy II posted... Yes, besides those facts. What you seem to forget is that the person shot wasn't actually guilty of anything. Things change, circumstances change, and shooting someone based on an assumption is how innocent people die on their own porch. You seem to forget that the officer was given bad information from dispatch which led to that outcome. While almost all the blame lies on the swatter, the guy who commissioned the hit, and the guy who gave the fake address (iirc the latter two haven't been charged but should serve prison time) because they were responsible for filing a false report, dispatch was the one responsible for misinforming the officers. some09guy II posted... Bullets can spark off of steel. On a per capita basis, you're going to find more steel in a car than a house and those gas tanks didn't blow. It's not even remotely close to being a feasible fear. some09guy II posted... ... That's dumb. I'm not going to talk with you anymore. If you're claiming negligence, why aren't you looking at the person who acted most negligently? --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:912771480] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blighboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>....wtf? Do you literally know nothing about this case and that's why you're posting all of this dumb shit? They NEVER knocked on the door. They weren't close to the suspect at any time. If they were, they could have just tackled him. </quote> They were clearly in immediate danger then.</quote> ...I know you're doing a bit right now, but I still need to clarify that the FAMILY was the one alleged to be in imminent danger. Granted, a guy going for a gun and shooting could hurt the officers as well. <cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>The dispatcher being a fuckwit at their job was mostly responsible for the police response. If you're partitioning blame because somebody acted improperly, why wouldn't you put most of that blame squarely on dispatch who should have advised that the call sounded phony?</quote> Because obviously it didn't sound phony. Only the cop fucked anything up and got away with shooting somebody who was unarmed just because he's a cop.</quote> lolwut? "Obviously it didn't sound phony"? Are you just compounding you ignorance now? You clearly didn't even listen to the call. And dispatch was the one who really fucked up because it gave incredibly bad intel to officers. <cite>some09guy II posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, besides those facts. What you seem to forget is that the person shot wasn't actually guilty of anything. Things change, circumstances change, and shooting someone based on an assumption is how innocent people die on their own porch.</quote> You seem to forget that the officer was given bad information from dispatch which led to that outcome. While almost all the blame lies on the swatter, the guy who commissioned the hit, and the guy who gave the fake address (iirc the latter two haven't been charged but should serve prison time) because they were responsible for filing a false report, dispatch was the one responsible for misinforming the officers. <cite>some09guy II posted...</cite> <quote>Bullets can spark off of steel.</quote> On a per capita basis, you're going to find more steel in a car than a house and those gas tanks didn't blow. It's not even remotely close to being a feasible fear. <cite>some09guy II posted...</cite> <quote>... That's dumb. I'm not going to talk with you anymore.</quote> If you're claiming negligence, why aren't you looking at the person who acted most negligently?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 11/20/18 10:41:18 PM #67:	some09guy II posted... Which is exactly what the problem is. ...except you literally have no time to do that when a suspect is going for a weapon. Otherwise the problem is that there's little to no accountability for dispatch. You had 911 dispatchers who dropped calls because they didn't want to deal with a person --- potentially creating a life-threatening situation --- and, rather than face charges, they were merely fired after doing it for months or years. In this case if anybody acted negligently, it was the dispatcher who didn't convey proper information. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:912771623] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote><cite>some09guy II posted...</cite> <quote>Which is exactly what the problem is.</quote> ...except you literally have no time to do that when a suspect is going for a weapon. Otherwise the problem is that there's little to no accountability for dispatch. You had 911 dispatchers who dropped calls because they didn't want to deal with a person --- potentially creating a life-threatening situation --- and, rather than face charges, they were merely fired after doing it for months or years. In this case if anybody acted negligently, it was the dispatcher who didn't convey proper information.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 11/21/18 12:22:04 AM #68:	Zeus posted... lolwut? "Obviously it didn't sound phony"? Are you just compounding you ignorance now? You clearly didn't even listen to the call. And dispatch was the one who really fucked up because it gave incredibly bad intel to officers. Prove it. Zeus posted... You seem to forget that the officer was given bad information from dispatch which led to that outcome. While almost all the blame lies on the swatter, the guy who commissioned the hit, and the guy who gave the fake address (iirc the latter two haven't been charged but should serve prison time) because they were responsible for filing a false report, dispatch was the one responsible for misinforming the officers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKjxFJfcrcA" data-time=" --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:912776010] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>lolwut? "Obviously it didn't sound phony"? Are you just compounding you ignorance now? You clearly didn't even listen to the call. And dispatch was the one who really fucked up because it gave incredibly bad intel to officers. </quote> Prove it. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>You seem to forget that the officer was given bad information from dispatch which led to that outcome. While almost all the blame lies on the swatter, the guy who commissioned the hit, and the guy who gave the fake address (iirc the latter two haven't been charged but should serve prison time) because they were responsible for filing a false report, dispatch was the one responsible for misinforming the officers. </quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKjxFJfcrcA" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lil_Bit83 11/21/18 8:58:53 PM #69:	@Zeus I love the George of the Jungle movie. --- I'm a chick <cite>Lil_Bit83 posted [p:912824223] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote>@Zeus I love the George of the Jungle movie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 11/22/18 10:57:56 PM #70:	Revelation34 posted... Zeus posted... lolwut? "Obviously it didn't sound phony"? Are you just compounding you ignorance now? You clearly didn't even listen to the call. And dispatch was the one who really fucked up because it gave incredibly bad intel to officers. Prove it. ...prove it? You've been able to listen to the phone call all along. Revelation34 posted... Zeus posted... You seem to forget that the officer was given bad information from dispatch which led to that outcome. While almost all the blame lies on the swatter, the guy who commissioned the hit, and the guy who gave the fake address (iirc the latter two haven't been charged but should serve prison time) because they were responsible for filing a false report, dispatch was the one responsible for misinforming the officers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKjxFJfcrcA" data-time=" Dispatch is solely responsible for informing officers. I know that you don't know shit about how anything works because you don't get out, but when a call is placed it doesn't go directly to cops. It goes to dispatch. The cops respond based on what dispatch tells them. The fact that the phone call was unbelievably hokey would be known to dispatch, but the cops wouldn't hear it. Instead it was reported to the cops as a credible threat. The cops then responded based on what dispatch told them, which was to a hostage situation where the only other adult male was dead. The fact that you'd single out the cops is by far the stupidest response anybody has ever heard and everybody in the topic is the stupider for having heard it. Lil_Bit83 posted... @ Zeus - I love the George of the Jungle movie. @Lil_Bit83 Not sure what that has to do with anything, but ok. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:912881415] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>lolwut? "Obviously it didn't sound phony"? Are you just compounding you ignorance now? You clearly didn't even listen to the call. And dispatch was the one who really fucked up because it gave incredibly bad intel to officers. </quote> Prove it. </quote> ...prove it? You've been able to listen to the phone call all along. <cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>You seem to forget that the officer was given bad information from dispatch which led to that outcome. While almost all the blame lies on the swatter, the guy who commissioned the hit, and the guy who gave the fake address (iirc the latter two haven't been charged but should serve prison time) because they were responsible for filing a false report, dispatch was the one responsible for misinforming the officers. </quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKjxFJfcrcA" data-time="</quote> Dispatch is solely responsible for informing officers. I know that you don't know shit about how anything works because you don't get out, but when a call is placed it doesn't go directly to cops. It goes to dispatch. The cops respond based on what dispatch tells them. The fact that the phone call was unbelievably hokey would be known to dispatch, but the cops wouldn't hear it. Instead it was reported to the cops as a credible threat. The cops then responded based on what dispatch told them, which was to a hostage situation where the only other adult male was dead. The fact that you'd single out the cops is by far the stupidest response anybody has ever heard and everybody in the topic is the stupider for having heard it. <cite>Lil_Bit83 posted...</cite> <quote>@ Zeus - I love the George of the Jungle movie.</quote> @Lil_Bit83 Not sure what that has to do with anything, but ok.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lil_Bit83 11/22/18 10:59:45 PM #71:	@Zeus You posted a clip from the George of the Jungle movie. --- I'm a chick <cite>Lil_Bit83 posted [p:912881501] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote>@Zeus You posted a clip from the George of the Jungle movie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 11/22/18 11:02:18 PM #72:	Lil_Bit83 posted... @ Zeus You posted a clip from the George of the Jungle movie. @Lil_Bit83 Oh, lol. Didn't know where it was from because it's been like 20 years since I saw it. Just grabbed it when somebody else used it. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:912881601] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lil_Bit83 posted...</cite> <quote>@ Zeus You posted a clip from the George of the Jungle movie.</quote> @Lil_Bit83 Oh, lol. Didn't know where it was from because it's been like 20 years since I saw it. Just grabbed it when somebody else used it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lil_Bit83 11/22/18 11:04:18 PM #73:	Zeus posted... Lil_Bit83 posted... @ Zeus You posted a clip from the George of the Jungle movie. @Lil_Bit83 Oh, lol. Didn't know where it was from because it's been like 20 years since I saw it. Just grabbed it when somebody else used it. ^-^ --- I'm a chick <cite>Lil_Bit83 posted [p:912881689] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lil_Bit83 posted...</cite> <quote>@ Zeus You posted a clip from the George of the Jungle movie.</quote> @Lil_Bit83 Oh, lol. Didn't know where it was from because it's been like 20 years since I saw it. Just grabbed it when somebody else used it.</quote> ^-^</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 11/22/18 11:14:22 PM #74:	Zeus posted... ..prove it? You've been able to listen to the phone call all along. Your own personal opinion is not proof. Zeus posted... Dispatch is solely responsible for informing officers. I know that you don't know shit about how anything works because you don't get out, but when a call is placed it doesn't go directly to cops. It goes to dispatch. The cops respond based on what dispatch tells them. The fact that the phone call was unbelievably hokey would be known to dispatch, but the cops wouldn't hear it. Instead it was reported to the cops as a credible threat. The cops then responded based on what dispatch told them, which was to a hostage situation where the only other adult male was dead. The fact that you'd single out the cops is by far the stupidest response anybody has ever heard and everybody in the topic is the stupider for having heard it. Lol. Again, your own personal opinion doesn't apply here. Just because you claim the phone call was "hokey" doesn't mean it was. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:912882121] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>..prove it? You've been able to listen to the phone call all along.</quote> Your own personal opinion is not proof. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Dispatch is solely responsible for informing officers. I know that you don't know shit about how anything works because you don't get out, but when a call is placed it doesn't go directly to cops. It goes to dispatch. The cops respond based on what dispatch tells them. The fact that the phone call was unbelievably hokey would be known to dispatch, but the cops wouldn't hear it. Instead it was reported to the cops as a credible threat. The cops then responded based on what dispatch told them, which was to a hostage situation where the only other adult male was dead. The fact that you'd single out the cops is by far the stupidest response anybody has ever heard and everybody in the topic is the stupider for having heard it. </quote> Lol. Again, your own personal opinion doesn't apply here. Just because you claim the phone call was "hokey" doesn't mean it was.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veedrock- 11/22/18 11:24:32 PM #75:	Personal opinion doesn't apply here, unless it's Rev's. --- My friends call me Vee. I'm not your friend, buddy. <cite>Veedrock- posted [p:912882519] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote>Personal opinion doesn't apply here, unless it's Rev's.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 11/22/18 11:32:24 PM #76:	Revelation34 posted... Zeus posted... ..prove it? You've been able to listen to the phone call all along. Your own personal opinion is not proof. The phone call isn't opinion, it's evidence. Revelation34 posted... Zeus posted... Dispatch is solely responsible for informing officers. I know that you don't know shit about how anything works because you don't get out, but when a call is placed it doesn't go directly to cops. It goes to dispatch. The cops respond based on what dispatch tells them. The fact that the phone call was unbelievably hokey would be known to dispatch, but the cops wouldn't hear it. Instead it was reported to the cops as a credible threat. The cops then responded based on what dispatch told them, which was to a hostage situation where the only other adult male was dead. The fact that you'd single out the cops is by far the stupidest response anybody has ever heard and everybody in the topic is the stupider for having heard it. Lol. Again, your own personal opinion doesn't apply here. Just because you claim the phone call was "hokey" doesn't mean it was. If you actually bothered to listen to it, you'd see that it clearly was. And that's big talk coming from a guy whose meritless personal opinion is that the cop -- one of the victims here -- should be locked up. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:912882839] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>..prove it? You've been able to listen to the phone call all along.</quote> Your own personal opinion is not proof. </quote> The phone call isn't opinion, it's evidence. <cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Dispatch is solely responsible for informing officers. I know that you don't know shit about how anything works because you don't get out, but when a call is placed it doesn't go directly to cops. It goes to dispatch. The cops respond based on what dispatch tells them. The fact that the phone call was unbelievably hokey would be known to dispatch, but the cops wouldn't hear it. Instead it was reported to the cops as a credible threat. The cops then responded based on what dispatch told them, which was to a hostage situation where the only other adult male was dead. The fact that you'd single out the cops is by far the stupidest response anybody has ever heard and everybody in the topic is the stupider for having heard it. </quote> Lol. Again, your own personal opinion doesn't apply here. Just because you claim the phone call was "hokey" doesn't mean it was.</quote> If you actually bothered to listen to it, you'd see that it clearly was. And that's big talk coming from a guy whose meritless personal opinion is that the cop -- one of the victims here -- should be locked up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blighboy 11/23/18 12:28:33 AM #77:	Are people seriously gonna fall for Zeus deflecting to unrelated aspects again Was the dispatch Hillary Clinton? --- https://i.imgtc.com/IoWAUSb.jpg <cite>Blighboy posted [p:912884762] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote>Are people seriously gonna fall for Zeus deflecting to unrelated aspects again Was the dispatch Hillary Clinton?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 11/23/18 4:40:34 AM #78:	Zeus posted... The phone call isn't opinion, it's evidence. You claim it was "hokey". That is a personal opinion. Zeus posted... that the cop -- one of the victims here Lol. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:912890744] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>The phone call isn't opinion, it's evidence. </quote> You claim it was "hokey". That is a personal opinion. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>that the cop -- one of the victims here</quote> Lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 11/24/18 12:36:43 PM #79:	Blighboy posted... Are people seriously gonna fall for Zeus deflecting to unrelated aspects again Was the dispatch Hillary Clinton? If it was Hilary Clinton then Zeus's posts would make more sense. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:912954886] in Swatter ma... [t:77203468]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blighboy posted...</cite> <quote>Are people seriously gonna fall for Zeus deflecting to unrelated aspects again Was the dispatch Hillary Clinton?</quote> If it was Hilary Clinton then Zeus's posts would make more sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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