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Hexenherz 11/10/18 10:34:04 AM #1:	With little electricity, no combat pay and holidays away from home, the 5,600 American troops on the southwest border are on a mission ordered by a politically determined commander in chief and a Pentagon unable to convince him of its perils. BASE CAMP DONNA, Tex. Sgt. 1st Class Daniel Micek, a platoon sergeant with the 89th Military Police Brigade, tore open the brown packaging of his M.R.E. on Thursday. It was a chicken and noodle dish, one of the more sought-after rations because it came with Skittles. But from the cot outside his platoons tent at the Armys latest forward operating base, Sergeant Micek could almost see the bright orange and white roof of Whataburger, a fast-food utopia eight miles away but off limits under current Army rules. The desert tan flatbed trucks at the base are for hauling concertina wire, not food runs. Such is life on the latest front where American soldiers are deployed. The midterm elections are over, along with President Trumps rafter-shaking rallies warning that an approaching migrant caravan of Central Americans amounts to a foreign invasion that warrants deploying up to 15,000 active-duty military troops to the border states of Texas, Arizona and California. But the 5,600 American troops who rushed to the brown, dry scrub along the southwest border are still going through the motions of an elaborate mission that appeared to be set into action by a commander in chief determined to get his supporters to the polls, and a Pentagon leadership unable to convince him of its perils. Instead of football with their families on this Veterans Day weekend, soldiers with the 19th Engineer Battalion, fresh from Fort Knox, Ky., were painstakingly webbing concertina wire on the banks of the Rio Grande, just beneath the McAllen-Hidalgo-Reynosa International Bridge. Nearby, troops from Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington State were making sure a sick call tent was properly set up next to their aid station. And a few miles away, Staff Sgt. Juan Mendoza was directing traffic as his engineer support company from Fort Bragg, N.C., unloaded military vehicles. Come Thanksgiving, they most likely will still be here. Two thousand miles away, at the Pentagon, officials privately derided the deployment as an expensive waste of time and resources, and a morale killer to boot. Leading up to the midterm vote on Tuesday, the military announced that the border mission would be called Operation Faithful Patriot. But Defense Secretary Jim Mattis on Election Day told officials to drop the name, and the Pentagon sent out a terse news release a day later saying the operation was now simply to be known as border support. The term faithful patriot, officials said, had political overtones. A final cost estimate of the deployment has not been made available. But Defense Department budget officials fret that if the number of troops sent to the border does reach 15,000, the price tag could hit $200 million, with no specific budget allocation from which to draw. The last time active-duty troops were sent to the border was in the 1980s, to help with counternarcotics missions. Since then, Mr. Trumps predecessors have relied on the National Guard, which arrived with considerably less fanfare than the convoys of vehicles and tent cities that have sprung up in recent days. --- FFXIV: Herzog Erislieb (Cactaur) \| ESO: @Ultima_Vyse RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/99 FISH/99 Cook <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:912157194] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote><cite>With little electricity, no combat pay and holidays away from home, the 5,600 American troops on the southwest border are on a mission ordered by a politically determined commander in chief and a Pentagon unable to convince him of its perils.</cite> BASE CAMP DONNA, Tex. Sgt. 1st Class Daniel Micek, a platoon sergeant with the 89th Military Police Brigade, tore open the brown packaging of his M.R.E. on Thursday. It was a chicken and noodle dish, one of the more sought-after rations because it came with Skittles. But from the cot outside his platoons tent at the Armys latest forward operating base, Sergeant Micek could almost see the bright orange and white roof of Whataburger, a fast-food utopia eight miles away but off limits under current Army rules. The desert tan flatbed trucks at the base are for hauling concertina wire, not food runs. Such is life on the latest front where American soldiers are deployed. The midterm elections are over, along with President Trumps rafter-shaking rallies warning that an approaching migrant caravan of Central Americans amounts to a foreign invasion that warrants deploying up to 15,000 active-duty military troops to the border states of Texas, Arizona and California. But the 5,600 American troops who rushed to the brown, dry scrub along the southwest border are still going through the motions of an elaborate mission that appeared to be set into action by a commander in chief determined to get his supporters to the polls, and a Pentagon leadership unable to convince him of its perils. Instead of football with their families on this Veterans Day weekend, soldiers with the 19th Engineer Battalion, fresh from Fort Knox, Ky., were painstakingly webbing concertina wire on the banks of the Rio Grande, just beneath the McAllen-Hidalgo-Reynosa International Bridge. Nearby, troops from Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington State were making sure a sick call tent was properly set up next to their aid station. And a few miles away, Staff Sgt. Juan Mendoza was directing traffic as his engineer support company from Fort Bragg, N.C., unloaded military vehicles. Come Thanksgiving, they most likely will still be here. Two thousand miles away, at the Pentagon, officials privately derided the deployment as an expensive waste of time and resources, and a morale killer to boot. Leading up to the midterm vote on Tuesday, the military announced that the border mission would be called Operation Faithful Patriot. But Defense Secretary Jim Mattis on Election Day told officials to drop the name, and the Pentagon sent out a terse news release a day later saying the operation was now simply to be known as border support. The term faithful patriot, officials said, had political overtones. A final cost estimate of the deployment has not been made available. But Defense Department budget officials fret that if the number of troops sent to the border does reach 15,000, the price tag could hit $200 million, with no specific budget allocation from which to draw. The last time active-duty troops were sent to the border was in the 1980s, to help with counternarcotics missions. Since then, Mr. Trumps predecessors have relied on the National Guard, which arrived with considerably less fanfare than the convoys of vehicles and tent cities that have sprung up in recent days.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 11/10/18 10:34:20 AM #2:	The Defense Departments fiscal 2019 budget had already carved out funds for fighting the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, continuing the endless war in Afghanistan and preparing for a potential conflict with a foreign nation, such as China, Russia, North Korea or Iran. There has been no money set aside to combat the men, women and children who are bound for the American border, many of them fleeing violence or corruption, nearly all seeking better lives. The troops are tasked with the same types of logistical, support and even clerical jobs that National Guard soldiers sent to the border earlier this year are already doing. The militarys morale issue is almost as worrisome. The deployment orders last until Dec. 15, meaning the troops will be on the border over Thanksgiving. They will have little to do beyond providing logistical support, unless Mr. Trump declares martial law. The troops will not be enforcing United States immigration law that would run afoul of the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, unless a special exception is made. When you give a soldier a real mission, you have less of a morale problem, even if its Christmas or Thanksgiving, said Representative Anthony G. Brown, Democrat of Maryland and a former Army helicopter pilot who served in the Iraq war. But when you send a soldier on a dubious mission, with no military value, over Thanksgiving, it doesnt help morale at all. The soldiers, by and large, shy away from talking about the political winds that sent them to the border. But in the last furious days before the midterm elections, photographs of a group of soldiers, clad in full military kit and flak jackets, were presented at Trump rallies and shown in the news media. Mr. Trump himself lauded the stringing up of beautiful barbed wire at a rally in Montana. Still, there is political theater and there is real life. Two days after the midterms, on Thursday, a platoon of Army engineers in Hidalgo, Tex., who were stretching bands of concertina wire on the American side of the Rio Grande had ditched the body armor. The decision to wear only their uniforms, canteens, gloves and helmets was simple: It was too hot to wear the armored vests, and the soldiers knew they didnt need them. And some had already suffered heat exhaustion, just days into their new mission. Roughly 15 miles away, some 500 troops a medley of medical units, military police officers and engineers were settled into a routine at Base Camp Donna. It was named after the adjoining Texas town, which Border Patrol agents believe is one of the most likely entry points into the United States for the migrant caravan, should it arrive. Wedged between a four-lane highway and the American-Mexican border wall, the base is reminiscent of those found in Afghanistan and Iraq in the early 2000s. As it was at the bases in those early war zones, electricity at Base Camp Donna is scarce except to power lights and communications gear. In the last several days, the soldiers installed a small shower tent. Men and women have set hours for bathing. Permitted shower length: seven minutes. There is no mess hall, just the brown, prepackaged M.R.E.s. Military police officers patrol the perimeter at night, armed with handguns. The tents sleep 20 soldiers and have no electricity or air-conditioning. Phone charging is relegated to a few generators that power the spotlights around the living area. --- FFXIV: Herzog Erislieb (Cactaur) \| ESO: @Ultima_Vyse RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/99 FISH/99 Cook <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:912157205] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote>The Defense Departments fiscal 2019 budget had already carved out funds for fighting the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, continuing the endless war in Afghanistan and preparing for a potential conflict with a foreign nation, such as China, Russia, North Korea or Iran. There has been no money set aside to combat the men, women and children who are bound for the American border, many of them fleeing violence or corruption, nearly all seeking better lives. The troops are tasked with the same types of logistical, support and even clerical jobs that National Guard soldiers sent to the border earlier this year are already doing. The militarys morale issue is almost as worrisome. The deployment orders last until Dec. 15, meaning the troops will be on the border over Thanksgiving. They will have little to do beyond providing logistical support, unless Mr. Trump declares martial law. The troops will not be enforcing United States immigration law that would run afoul of the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, unless a special exception is made. When you give a soldier a real mission, you have less of a morale problem, even if its Christmas or Thanksgiving, said Representative Anthony G. Brown, Democrat of Maryland and a former Army helicopter pilot who served in the Iraq war. But when you send a soldier on a dubious mission, with no military value, over Thanksgiving, it doesnt help morale at all. The soldiers, by and large, shy away from talking about the political winds that sent them to the border. But in the last furious days before the midterm elections, photographs of a group of soldiers, clad in full military kit and flak jackets, were presented at Trump rallies and shown in the news media. Mr. Trump himself lauded the stringing up of beautiful barbed wire at a rally in Montana. Still, there is political theater and there is real life. Two days after the midterms, on Thursday, a platoon of Army engineers in Hidalgo, Tex., who were stretching bands of concertina wire on the American side of the Rio Grande had ditched the body armor. The decision to wear only their uniforms, canteens, gloves and helmets was simple: It was too hot to wear the armored vests, and the soldiers knew they didnt need them. And some had already suffered heat exhaustion, just days into their new mission. Roughly 15 miles away, some 500 troops a medley of medical units, military police officers and engineers were settled into a routine at Base Camp Donna. It was named after the adjoining Texas town, which Border Patrol agents believe is one of the most likely entry points into the United States for the migrant caravan, should it arrive. Wedged between a four-lane highway and the American-Mexican border wall, the base is reminiscent of those found in Afghanistan and Iraq in the early 2000s. As it was at the bases in those early war zones, electricity at Base Camp Donna is scarce except to power lights and communications gear. In the last several days, the soldiers installed a small shower tent. Men and women have set hours for bathing. Permitted shower length: seven minutes. There is no mess hall, just the brown, prepackaged M.R.E.s. Military police officers patrol the perimeter at night, armed with handguns. The tents sleep 20 soldiers and have no electricity or air-conditioning. Phone charging is relegated to a few generators that power the spotlights around the living area.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hexenherz 11/10/18 10:35:34 AM #4:	Capt. Lauren Blanton, who oversees logistics for the base, is caught between monitoring the influx of equipment and troops and ensuring that her facility is livable, with enough amenities so the troops living there can call home. I want to talk to my kid too, she said. The Army is setting up another outpost in an abandoned furniture store in nearby Weslaco and is eyeing a spot in Brownsville all in an effort to shore up the entry points with, so far, hundreds of miles of concertina wire. Unlike in Iraq and Afghanistan, however, the troops do not receive extra combat pay. Nor is there hostile fire pay, since the troops will not be interacting with the migrants. Mr. Mattis, the defense secretary, has long argued against politicizing the military. For the entirety of his nearly two years at the Pentagons helm, he has sought to shield the countrys 1.2 million active-duty troops from the political forces that have plagued other agencies. In August, on a trip to Brazil, Mr. Mattis warned of the dangers of a military that is viewed as supporting one candidate or another. Putting troops at the border to protect against what Mr. Trump deemed a threat, in his rallying cry for the midterms, has put Mr. Mattiss views about politicizing the military on a collision course with the president. That clash comes as Mr. Mattiss relationship with Mr. Trump has deteriorated sharply over the last year. Last month, the president accused Mr. Mattis of being a Democrat. Mr. Trump has also chafed at what he perceives as the Defense Departments slow-walking of his many proposals, from holding a military parade to banning transgender troops to putting into place a Space Force. Officially, Pentagon leaders said their duty was to follow the orders of the commander in chief, not to tell him how he can deploy American troops. Its not my role to make those assessments, the Army secretary, Mark T. Esper, said in an interview on Wednesday. We all recognize that one of the many missions of the military is defense of the homeland and security of our borders. The border troops are just the latest example of the White House pushing a mission that the Pentagon has resisted. In late October, the Department of Homeland Security sent a memo to the Pentagon with a series of formal requests for support in handling immigrants at the southern border, including the caravan on its way from Central America, according to two senior administration officials. Among the requests, issued at the White Houses behest, were that troops deployed to the border be armed, prepared for direct contact with the migrants and ready to operate under rules for the use of force to be set by the Defense Department. When Defense Department officials replied the same day, on Mr. Mattiss orders, they rejected those requests and referred the Department of Homeland Security to the White House, the officials said. The Defense Department viewed the requests as inappropriate and legally treacherous, potentially setting up soldiers for violent encounters with migrants. For Mr. Mattis, you only get to fall on your sword once, said Paul Eaton, a retired major general and veteran of the Iraq war, who is now a senior adviser to VoteVets.Org, a progressive veterans advocacy group. You pick your fight, Mr. Eaton said. This was a case of, We will do this, but I will protect the U.S. military and ensure the rules of engagement are appropriate. Defense Department officials said the tasks by the troops at the border were the best compromise that Mr. Mattis could reach. The Pentagon agreed to other requests for help, including sending supplies, setting up tents and providing transportation as needed. A wasteful deployment of overstretched Soldiers and Marines would be made much worse if they use force disproportional to the threat they face, tweeted Martin Dempsey, the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. They wont. --- FFXIV: Herzog Erislieb (Cactaur) \| ESO: @Ultima_Vyse RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/99 FISH/99 Cook <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:912157241] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote>Capt. Lauren Blanton, who oversees logistics for the base, is caught between monitoring the influx of equipment and troops and ensuring that her facility is livable, with enough amenities so the troops living there can call home. I want to talk to my kid too, she said. The Army is setting up another outpost in an abandoned furniture store in nearby Weslaco and is eyeing a spot in Brownsville all in an effort to shore up the entry points with, so far, hundreds of miles of concertina wire. Unlike in Iraq and Afghanistan, however, the troops do not receive extra combat pay. Nor is there hostile fire pay, since the troops will not be interacting with the migrants. Mr. Mattis, the defense secretary, has long argued against politicizing the military. For the entirety of his nearly two years at the Pentagons helm, he has sought to shield the countrys 1.2 million active-duty troops from the political forces that have plagued other agencies. In August, on a trip to Brazil, Mr. Mattis warned of the dangers of a military that is viewed as supporting one candidate or another. Putting troops at the border to protect against what Mr. Trump deemed a threat, in his rallying cry for the midterms, has put Mr. Mattiss views about politicizing the military on a collision course with the president. That clash comes as Mr. Mattiss relationship with Mr. Trump has deteriorated sharply over the last year. Last month, the president accused Mr. Mattis of being a Democrat. Mr. Trump has also chafed at what he perceives as the Defense Departments slow-walking of his many proposals, from holding a military parade to banning transgender troops to putting into place a Space Force. Officially, Pentagon leaders said their duty was to follow the orders of the commander in chief, not to tell him how he can deploy American troops. Its not my role to make those assessments, the Army secretary, Mark T. Esper, said in an interview on Wednesday. We all recognize that one of the many missions of the military is defense of the homeland and security of our borders. The border troops are just the latest example of the White House pushing a mission that the Pentagon has resisted. In late October, the Department of Homeland Security sent a memo to the Pentagon with a series of formal requests for support in handling immigrants at the southern border, including the caravan on its way from Central America, according to two senior administration officials. Among the requests, issued at the White Houses behest, were that troops deployed to the border be armed, prepared for direct contact with the migrants and ready to operate under rules for the use of force to be set by the Defense Department. When Defense Department officials replied the same day, on Mr. Mattiss orders, they rejected those requests and referred the Department of Homeland Security to the White House, the officials said. The Defense Department viewed the requests as inappropriate and legally treacherous, potentially setting up soldiers for violent encounters with migrants. For Mr. Mattis, you only get to fall on your sword once, said Paul Eaton, a retired major general and veteran of the Iraq war, who is now a senior adviser to VoteVets.Org, a progressive veterans advocacy group. You pick your fight, Mr. Eaton said. This was a case of, We will do this, but I will protect the U.S. military and ensure the rules of engagement are appropriate. Defense Department officials said the tasks by the troops at the border were the best compromise that Mr. Mattis could reach. The Pentagon agreed to other requests for help, including sending supplies, setting up tents and providing transportation as needed. A wasteful deployment of overstretched Soldiers and Marines would be made much worse if they use force disproportional to the threat they face, tweeted Martin Dempsey, the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. They wont.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 11/10/18 10:35:47 AM #5:	Back at the border, near the Hidalgo bridge, two soldiers squeezed into the cab of an armored front-end loader, its engine idle. They had spent the morning jamming engineer stakes into the ground as pillars for the new fence. Now, the soldiers were enjoying the trucks air-conditioning, watching camera crews interviewing their colleagues, and spitting a steady stream of sunflower seeds out the open window. Hours later and 15 miles away, rain was in the forecast as night fell upon Base Camp Donna. Some soldiers slowly began digging a trench outside their tents, to keep water from pooling around their cots and their feet in the coming hours. Others shuffled to port-a-potties and foot-powered sinks to shave and brush their teeth. A new tranche of troops who arrived just hours earlier were unloading their bags, bringing them to their cots in a quiet march. Scott Shane contributed reporting from Washington, and Mitchell Ferman from McAllen, Tex. --- FFXIV: Herzog Erislieb (Cactaur) \| ESO: @Ultima_Vyse RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/99 FISH/99 Cook <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:912157247] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote>Back at the border, near the Hidalgo bridge, two soldiers squeezed into the cab of an armored front-end loader, its engine idle. They had spent the morning jamming engineer stakes into the ground as pillars for the new fence. Now, the soldiers were enjoying the trucks air-conditioning, watching camera crews interviewing their colleagues, and spitting a steady stream of sunflower seeds out the open window. Hours later and 15 miles away, rain was in the forecast as night fell upon Base Camp Donna. Some soldiers slowly began digging a trench outside their tents, to keep water from pooling around their cots and their feet in the coming hours. Others shuffled to port-a-potties and foot-powered sinks to shave and brush their teeth. A new tranche of troops who arrived just hours earlier were unloading their bags, bringing them to their cots in a quiet march. Scott Shane contributed reporting from Washington, and Mitchell Ferman from McAllen, Tex.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 11/10/18 10:36:12 AM #6:	I strongly doubt Trump cares about these troops. He got his political stunt and that's all he cares about. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:912157257] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote>I strongly doubt Trump cares about these troops. He got his political stunt and that's all he cares about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Youngster_Joey_ 11/10/18 10:38:17 AM #7:	I don't understand What are we supposed to do? Just have nothing set up for when they reach the border looking for asylum? Do people understand you don't just walk into the country when you're seeking asylum, right? Especially when you're coming in 5000 strong. --- https://i.imgtc.com/sAo2rp5.jpg <cite>Youngster_Joey_ posted [p:912157316] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote>I don't understand What are we supposed to do? Just have nothing set up for when they reach the border looking for asylum? Do people understand you don't just walk into the country when you're seeking asylum, right? Especially when you're coming in 5000 strong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
glitteringfairy 11/10/18 10:38:41 AM #8:	They volunteered to join the military and this is currently their mission. Like --- "How come you can believe in God but not Bigfoot?" V-E-G-Y https://imgur.com/AqR3aeX https://imgur.com/vvuUXpp https://imgur.com/r9xK2NR <cite>glitteringfairy posted [p:912157333] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote>They volunteered to join the military and this is currently their mission. Like </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LastTomorrow 11/10/18 10:42:19 AM #9:	How far off are they? --- Waffle waffle waffle <cite>LastTomorrow posted [p:912157450] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote>How far off are they?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoastedCapuccin 11/10/18 10:43:31 AM #10:	Doom_Art posted... I strongly doubt Trump cares about these troops. He got his political stunt and that's all he cares about. And he is weakening our national defense readiness just for the sake of his racism and grand standing <cite>RoastedCapuccin posted [p:912157489] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>I strongly doubt Trump cares about these troops. He got his political stunt and that's all he cares about.</quote> And he is weakening our national defense readiness just for the sake of his racism and grand standing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 11/10/18 10:45:56 AM #11:	Doom_Art posted... I strongly doubt Trump cares about these troops. He got his political stunt and that's all he cares about. No, it's the most flagrant display of lying that he could possibly present. He repeatedly talks about "caring for the troops" then sends over 5,000 on the most useless of "deployments", taking them away from their families for no discernible reason other than as a political move. --- FFXIV: Herzog Erislieb (Cactaur) \| ESO: @Ultima_Vyse RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/99 FISH/99 Cook <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:912157558] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>I strongly doubt Trump cares about these troops. He got his political stunt and that's all he cares about.</quote> No, it's the most flagrant display of lying that he could possibly present. He repeatedly talks about "caring for the troops" then sends over 5,000 on the most useless of "deployments", taking them away from their families for no discernible reason other than as a political move.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 11/10/18 10:53:01 AM #12:	LastTomorrow posted... How far off are they? Not supposed to be here until like January IIRC. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:912157789] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote><cite>LastTomorrow posted...</cite> <quote>How far off are they?</quote> Not supposed to be here until like January IIRC.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 11/10/18 10:56:27 AM #13:	Goats posted... You'd think Trump could deploy them to help with the Californian wildfires but I guess some things take priority Bullets don't work on fires though. --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:912157902] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote><cite>Goats posted...</cite> <quote>You'd think Trump could deploy them to help with the Californian wildfires but I guess some things take priority</quote> Bullets don't work on fires though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 11/10/18 10:58:14 AM #14:	I absolutely approve of getting the on-the-ground troops perspective on this debacle. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:912157953] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote>I absolutely approve of getting the on-the-ground troops perspective on this debacle.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bladegash 11/10/18 10:59:56 AM #15:	Give those boys a MEDAL --- Snappin necks & Cashin checks <cite>bladegash posted [p:912158009] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote>Give those boys a MEDAL</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bloodychess 11/10/18 11:01:42 AM #17:	RoastedCapuccin posted... Doom_Art posted... I strongly doubt Trump cares about these troops. He got his political stunt and that's all he cares about. And he is weakening our national defense readiness just for the sake of his racism and grand standing What else should we be ready for right now? --- To err is human To arr is pirate <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:912158062] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote><cite>RoastedCapuccin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>I strongly doubt Trump cares about these troops. He got his political stunt and that's all he cares about.</quote> And he is weakening our national defense readiness just for the sake of his racism and grand standing</quote> What else should we be ready for right now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 11/10/18 11:02:23 AM #18:	Goats posted... Funkydog posted... Goats posted... You'd think Trump could deploy them to help with the Californian wildfires but I guess some things take priority Bullets don't work on fires though. Extra drivers, boots on the ground to coordinate evacuations, increased aerial and surveillance assets in the area... Military doesn't just have to shoot stuff. You missed the joke/point I think >.> --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:912158081] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote><cite>Goats posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Goats posted...</cite> <quote>You'd think Trump could deploy them to help with the Californian wildfires but I guess some things take priority</quote> Bullets don't work on fires though.</quote> Extra drivers, boots on the ground to coordinate evacuations, increased aerial and surveillance assets in the area... Military doesn't just have to shoot stuff.</quote> You missed the joke/point I think >.></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 11/10/18 11:03:05 AM #19:	Bloodychess posted... RoastedCapuccin posted... Doom_Art posted... I strongly doubt Trump cares about these troops. He got his political stunt and that's all he cares about. And he is weakening our national defense readiness just for the sake of his racism and grand standing What else should we be ready for right now? The Defense Departments fiscal 2019 budget had already carved out funds for fighting the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, continuing the endless war in Afghanistan and preparing for a potential conflict with a foreign nation, such as China, Russia, North Korea or Iran. There has been no money set aside to combat the men, women and children who are bound for the American border, many of them fleeing violence or corruption, nearly all seeking better lives. The troops are tasked with the same types of logistical, support and even clerical jobs that National Guard soldiers sent to the border earlier this year are already doing. --- FFXIV: Herzog Erislieb (Cactaur) \| ESO: @Ultima_Vyse RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/99 FISH/99 Cook <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:912158103] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoastedCapuccin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>I strongly doubt Trump cares about these troops. He got his political stunt and that's all he cares about.</quote> And he is weakening our national defense readiness just for the sake of his racism and grand standing</quote> What else should we be ready for right now?</quote> <quote>The Defense Departments fiscal 2019 budget had already carved out funds for fighting the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, continuing the endless war in Afghanistan and preparing for a potential conflict with a foreign nation, such as China, Russia, North Korea or Iran. There has been no money set aside to combat the men, women and children who are bound for the American border, many of them fleeing violence or corruption, nearly all seeking better lives. The troops are tasked with the same types of logistical, support and even clerical jobs that National Guard soldiers sent to the border earlier this year are already doing.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
V-E-G-Y- 11/10/18 11:03:18 AM #20:	How will trump supporters defend dis --- https://imgur.com/L6MQGtI https://imgur.com/HAj1Ocp https://imgur.com/Op6gMTg https://imgur.com/hNkY6mv <cite>V-E-G-Y- posted [p:912158112] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote>How will trump supporters defend dis</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 11/10/18 11:03:26 AM #21:	Bloodychess posted... What else should we be ready for right now? I mean I'm sure there's better things for them to be doing than fussing over brown people months away --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:912158117] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>What else should we be ready for right now?</quote> I mean I'm sure there's better things for them to be doing than fussing over brown people months away</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AvantgardeAClue 11/10/18 11:06:14 AM #22:	This really sucks (and I'm sure that's the intent of the article), but I'm not exactly keen on the idea of just letting them walk right in either. Until somebody has a better plan than "Oh just leave them alone" I think a few troops need to stay around there --- Sometimes I say things and I'm not voice acting. <cite>AvantgardeAClue posted [p:912158214] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote>This really sucks (and I'm sure that's the intent of the article), but I'm not exactly keen on the idea of just letting them walk right in either. Until somebody has a better plan than "Oh just leave them alone" I think a few troops need to stay around there</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 11/10/18 11:07:38 AM #23:	AvantgardeAClue posted... This really sucks (and I'm sure that's the intent of the article), but I'm not exactly keen on the idea of just letting them walk right in either. Until somebody has a better plan than "Oh just leave them alone" I think a few troops need to stay around there What do you think the soldiers deployed there are going to do when the migrants come? Like, do you understand what their mission there is? --- FFXIV: Herzog Erislieb (Cactaur) \| ESO: @Ultima_Vyse RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/99 FISH/99 Cook <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:912158258] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote><cite>AvantgardeAClue posted...</cite> <quote>This really sucks (and I'm sure that's the intent of the article), but I'm not exactly keen on the idea of just letting them walk right in either. Until somebody has a better plan than "Oh just leave them alone" I think a few troops need to stay around there</quote> What do you think the soldiers deployed there are going to do when the migrants come? Like, do you understand what their mission there is?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 11/10/18 11:07:56 AM #24:	AvantgardeAClue posted... but I'm not exactly keen on the idea of just letting them walk right in either. That's not the idea, and never was the idea. We have process and personnel in place for asylum seekers. They are ready and able to receive the caravan. They have done so in years past. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:912158269] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote><cite>AvantgardeAClue posted...</cite> <quote>but I'm not exactly keen on the idea of just letting them walk right in either.</quote> That's not the idea, and never was the idea. We have process and personnel in place for asylum seekers. They are ready and able to receive the caravan. They have done so in years past.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 11/10/18 11:11:56 AM #25:	What's likely to happen: When the caravan doesn't show up in the next week (and since even Fox News has stopped covering it since they knew it was just a lie to get racists riled up for midterms) Trump will either forget or claim victory, and then these troops will finally get to go home. Though really I don't know why they're there in the first place, since the military doesn't have to follow Trump's orders. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:912158405] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote>What's likely to happen: When the caravan doesn't show up in the next week (and since even Fox News has stopped covering it since they knew it was just a lie to get racists riled up for midterms) Trump will either forget or claim victory, and then these troops will finally get to go home. Though really I don't know why they're there in the first place, since the military doesn't have to follow Trump's orders.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 11/10/18 11:13:04 AM #26:	BLAKUboy posted... What's likely to happen: When the caravan doesn't show up in the next week (and since even Fox News has stopped covering it since they knew it was just a lie to get racists riled up for midterms) Trump will either forget or claim victory, and then these troops will finally get to go home. Though really I don't know why they're there in the first place, since the military doesn't have to follow Trump's orders. Well, he is the Commander-in-Chief, and it would be a really, really bad look internationally for the DoD to just blatantly disregard the instructions of the President. --- FFXIV: Herzog Erislieb (Cactaur) \| ESO: @Ultima_Vyse RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/99 FISH/99 Cook <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:912158445] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote><cite>BLAKUboy posted...</cite> <quote>What's likely to happen: When the caravan doesn't show up in the next week (and since even Fox News has stopped covering it since they knew it was just a lie to get racists riled up for midterms) Trump will either forget or claim victory, and then these troops will finally get to go home. Though really I don't know why they're there in the first place, since the military doesn't have to follow Trump's orders.</quote> Well, he is the Commander-in-Chief, and it would be a really, really bad look internationally for the DoD to just blatantly disregard the instructions of the President.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 11/10/18 11:14:12 AM #27:	What I'm getting is that this article and TC (https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77189153/912158103) would rather the troops be fighting overseas than guarding the southwest border. Not really though, he would get criticized much more for that as he should be. Trump will be wrong in this situation no matter what, so who cares. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:912158487] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote>What I'm getting is that this article and TC (https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77189153/912158103) would rather the troops be fighting overseas than guarding the southwest border. Not really though, he would get criticized much more for that as he should be. Trump will be wrong in this situation no matter what, so who cares.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 11/10/18 11:16:42 AM #28:	Hexenherz posted... Well, he is the Commander-in-Chief, and it would be a really, really bad look internationally for the DoD to just blatantly disregard the instructions of the President. They've done it before, this article even citing an instance in this very story. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:912158568] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>Well, he is the Commander-in-Chief, and it would be a really, really bad look internationally for the DoD to just blatantly disregard the instructions of the President.</quote> They've done it before, this article even citing an instance in this very story.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Atralis 11/10/18 11:18:11 AM #29:	This is basically just a field training exercise. <cite>Atralis posted [p:912158624] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote>This is basically just a field training exercise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 11/10/18 11:19:41 AM #30:	BLAKUboy posted... Hexenherz posted... Well, he is the Commander-in-Chief, and it would be a really, really bad look internationally for the DoD to just blatantly disregard the instructions of the President. They've done it before, this article even citing an instance in this very story. Can you point out where specifically? Because it talks about the Pentagon dragging its feet to implement policy but not outright refusing the President, which is of course still a political move but isn't as blatant. Damn_Underscore posted... What I'm getting is that this article and TC (https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77189153/912158103) would rather the troops be fighting overseas than guarding the southwest border. Not really though, he would get criticized much more for that as he should be. Trump will be wrong in this situation no matter what, so who cares. No, I'd rather that service members be allowed to be at home, especially for the holidays, instead of being deployed to Middle East-like living conditions in the US for literally no reason other than "the President wants to show he's tough on illegal immigration". --- FFXIV: Herzog Erislieb (Cactaur) \| ESO: @Ultima_Vyse RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/99 FISH/99 Cook <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:912158689] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote><cite>BLAKUboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>Well, he is the Commander-in-Chief, and it would be a really, really bad look internationally for the DoD to just blatantly disregard the instructions of the President.</quote> They've done it before, this article even citing an instance in this very story.</quote> Can you point out where specifically? Because it talks about the Pentagon dragging its feet to implement policy but not outright refusing the President, which is of course still a political move but isn't as blatant. <cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>What I'm getting is that this article and TC (https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77189153/912158103) would rather the troops be fighting overseas than guarding the southwest border. Not really though, he would get criticized much more for that as he should be. Trump will be wrong in this situation no matter what, so who cares.</quote> No, I'd rather that service members be allowed to be at home, especially for the holidays, instead of being deployed to Middle East-like living conditions in the US for literally no reason other than "the President wants to show he's tough on illegal immigration".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AvantgardeAClue 11/10/18 11:19:44 AM #31:	Hexenherz posted... AvantgardeAClue posted... This really sucks (and I'm sure that's the intent of the article), but I'm not exactly keen on the idea of just letting them walk right in either. Until somebody has a better plan than "Oh just leave them alone" I think a few troops need to stay around there What do you think the soldiers deployed there are going to do when the migrants come? Like, do you understand what their mission there is? Deterrence, crowd control, helping border patrol. All of which I'd imagine is easier with troops. CyricZ posted... AvantgardeAClue posted... but I'm not exactly keen on the idea of just letting them walk right in either. That's not the idea, and never was the idea. We have process and personnel in place for asylum seekers. They are ready and able to receive the caravan. They have done so in years past. Tell that to the loads of people who think there are more pressing domestic matters the military should be handling instead. Still, assuming processing measures are in place for when they get here, some extra security wouldn't hurt. I'd imagine border patrol would get overwhelmed very fast depending on the area. --- Sometimes I say things and I'm not voice acting. <cite>AvantgardeAClue posted [p:912158690] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AvantgardeAClue posted...</cite> <quote>This really sucks (and I'm sure that's the intent of the article), but I'm not exactly keen on the idea of just letting them walk right in either. Until somebody has a better plan than "Oh just leave them alone" I think a few troops need to stay around there</quote> What do you think the soldiers deployed there are going to do when the migrants come? Like, do you understand what their mission there is?</quote> Deterrence, crowd control, helping border patrol. All of which I'd imagine is easier with troops. <cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AvantgardeAClue posted...</cite> <quote>but I'm not exactly keen on the idea of just letting them walk right in either.</quote> That's not the idea, and never was the idea. We have process and personnel in place for asylum seekers. They are ready and able to receive the caravan. They have done so in years past.</quote> Tell that to the loads of people who think there are more pressing domestic matters the military should be handling instead. Still, assuming processing measures are in place for when they get here, some extra security wouldn't hurt. I'd imagine border patrol would get overwhelmed very fast depending on the area.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 11/10/18 11:22:03 AM #32:	Hexenherz posted... Can you point out where specifically? Because it talks about the Pentagon dragging its feet to implement policy but not outright refusing the President, which is of course still a political move but isn't as blatant. Hexenherz posted... In late October, the Department of Homeland Security sent a memo to the Pentagon with a series of formal requests for support in handling immigrants at the southern border, including the caravan on its way from Central America, according to two senior administration officials. Among the requests, issued at the White Houses behest, were that troops deployed to the border be armed, prepared for direct contact with the migrants and ready to operate under rules for the use of force to be set by the Defense Department. When Defense Department officials replied the same day, on Mr. Mattiss orders, they rejected those requests and referred the Department of Homeland Security to the White House, the officials said. The Defense Department viewed the requests as inappropriate and legally treacherous, potentially setting up soldiers for violent encounters with migrants. For Mr. Mattis, you only get to fall on your sword once, said Paul Eaton, a retired major general and veteran of the Iraq war, who is now a senior adviser to VoteVets.Org, a progressive veterans advocacy group. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:912158794] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>Can you point out where specifically? Because it talks about the Pentagon dragging its feet to implement policy but not outright refusing the President, which is of course still a political move but isn't as blatant.</quote> <cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>In late October, the Department of Homeland Security sent a memo to the Pentagon with a series of formal requests for support in handling immigrants at the southern border, including the caravan on its way from Central America, according to two senior administration officials. Among the requests, issued at the White Houses behest, were that troops deployed to the border be armed, prepared for direct contact with the migrants and ready to operate under rules for the use of force to be set by the Defense Department. When Defense Department officials replied the same day, on Mr. Mattiss orders, they rejected those requests and referred the Department of Homeland Security to the White House, the officials said. The Defense Department viewed the requests as inappropriate and legally treacherous, potentially setting up soldiers for violent encounters with migrants. For Mr. Mattis, you only get to fall on your sword once, said Paul Eaton, a retired major general and veteran of the Iraq war, who is now a senior adviser to VoteVets.Org, a progressive veterans advocacy group.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRealDill2000 11/10/18 11:22:48 AM #33:	RoastedCapuccin posted... Doom_Art posted... I strongly doubt Trump cares about these troops. He got his political stunt and that's all he cares about. And he is weakening our national defense readiness just for the sake of his racism and grand standing How is this related to racism? I saw a commercial, ENDORSED BY TRUMP, on Fox News shortly before the election. It pointed out the potential dangers of the caravan. We need to be prepared for their arrival. --- CE's source of sage-ly advice Not changing this signature until the Buffalo Bills win the 2019 Super Bowl <cite>TheRealDill2000 posted [p:912158827] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote><cite>RoastedCapuccin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote> I strongly doubt Trump cares about these troops. He got his political stunt and that's all he cares about.</quote> And he is weakening our national defense readiness just for the sake of his racism and grand standing</quote> How is this related to racism? I saw a commercial, ENDORSED BY TRUMP, on Fox News shortly before the election. It pointed out the potential dangers of the caravan. We need to be prepared for their arrival.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 11/10/18 11:23:57 AM #34:	"Deterrence" - Once the migrants get to the border it's possible to serve as a deterrent yes, but these are also people who have traveled hundreds, thousands of miles through hard terrain escaping even harder difficulties back home. Also, the location of the forces and the fact that they aren't armed and their mission there has been highly publicized, so even the numbers of the troops kind of loses its psychological effect in light of those factors. "Crowd control" - The deployed forces are explicitly prohibited from participating in any sort of interaction with the migrants. "helping border patrol" - This capacity is limited in light of the second point. --- FFXIV: Herzog Erislieb (Cactaur) \| ESO: @Ultima_Vyse RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/99 FISH/99 Cook <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:912158882] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote>"Deterrence" - Once the migrants get to the border it's possible to serve as a deterrent yes, but these are also people who have traveled hundreds, thousands of miles through hard terrain escaping even harder difficulties back home. Also, the location of the forces and the fact that they aren't armed and their mission there has been highly publicized, so even the numbers of the troops kind of loses its psychological effect in light of those factors. "Crowd control" - The deployed forces are explicitly prohibited from participating in any sort of interaction with the migrants. "helping border patrol" - This capacity is limited in light of the second point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 11/10/18 11:24:01 AM #35:	And remember, that was what the whole "a rock is the same thing as a gun" shit that Trump was touting a while back was about. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:912158885] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote>And remember, that was what the whole "a rock is the same thing as a gun" shit that Trump was touting a while back was about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 11/10/18 11:24:23 AM #36:	Um... the Southwest US is nothing like Middle East living conditions. At worst this is just boring for them. As someone said, they are soldiers of the US Army and this is their current mission. As soldiers they are respected now and will be respected when they leave the military, as they should be. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:912158910] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote>Um... the Southwest US is nothing like Middle East living conditions. At worst this is just boring for them. As someone said, they are soldiers of the US Army and this is their current mission. As soldiers they are respected now and will be respected when they leave the military, as they should be.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 11/10/18 11:24:31 AM #37:	BLAKUboy posted... Hexenherz posted... Can you point out where specifically? Because it talks about the Pentagon dragging its feet to implement policy but not outright refusing the President, which is of course still a political move but isn't as blatant. Hexenherz posted... In late October, the Department of Homeland Security sent a memo to the Pentagon with a series of formal requests for support in handling immigrants at the southern border, including the caravan on its way from Central America, according to two senior administration officials. Among the requests, issued at the White Houses behest, were that troops deployed to the border be armed, prepared for direct contact with the migrants and ready to operate under rules for the use of force to be set by the Defense Department. When Defense Department officials replied the same day, on Mr. Mattiss orders, they rejected those requests and referred the Department of Homeland Security to the White House, the officials said. The Defense Department viewed the requests as inappropriate and legally treacherous, potentially setting up soldiers for violent encounters with migrants. For Mr. Mattis, you only get to fall on your sword once, said Paul Eaton, a retired major general and veteran of the Iraq war, who is now a senior adviser to VoteVets.Org, a progressive veterans advocacy group. That was in reference to specific conditions presented in the DHS request, not to the entire request itself. --- FFXIV: Herzog Erislieb (Cactaur) \| ESO: @Ultima_Vyse RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/99 FISH/99 Cook <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:912158914] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote><cite>BLAKUboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>Can you point out where specifically? Because it talks about the Pentagon dragging its feet to implement policy but not outright refusing the President, which is of course still a political move but isn't as blatant.</quote> <cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>In late October, the Department of Homeland Security sent a memo to the Pentagon with a series of formal requests for support in handling immigrants at the southern border, including the caravan on its way from Central America, according to two senior administration officials. Among the requests, issued at the White Houses behest, were that troops deployed to the border be armed, prepared for direct contact with the migrants and ready to operate under rules for the use of force to be set by the Defense Department. When Defense Department officials replied the same day, on Mr. Mattiss orders, they rejected those requests and referred the Department of Homeland Security to the White House, the officials said. The Defense Department viewed the requests as inappropriate and legally treacherous, potentially setting up soldiers for violent encounters with migrants. For Mr. Mattis, you only get to fall on your sword once, said Paul Eaton, a retired major general and veteran of the Iraq war, who is now a senior adviser to VoteVets.Org, a progressive veterans advocacy group.</quote></quote> That was in reference to specific conditions presented in the DHS request, not to the entire request itself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 11/10/18 11:27:36 AM #38:	Damn_Underscore posted... Um... the Southwest US is nothing like Middle East living conditions. At worst this is just boring for them. Did you read the article? They're living in 20 person tents, restricted to 7 minute showers, eating MREs when there are fast food joints and grocery stores a few miles down the road, and don't even have a reliable means to recharge their cellphones. It's actually worse since the only bonus pay they'll probably get is family sep. As someone said, they are soldiers of the US Army and this is their current mission. As soldiers they are respected now and will be respected when they leave the military, as they should be. I don't know what planet you live on, but it certainly does not sound like earth. Many people don't respect the military already and this is not helping that perception. And not all "missions" are created equal, as is evidenced by all the feedback given here, from the people on the ground to the SecDef who had to make the call to deploy them. --- FFXIV: Herzog Erislieb (Cactaur) \| ESO: @Ultima_Vyse RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/99 FISH/99 Cook <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:912159047] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>Um... the Southwest US is nothing like Middle East living conditions. At worst this is just boring for them. </quote> Did you read the article? They're living in 20 person tents, restricted to 7 minute showers, eating MREs when there are fast food joints and grocery stores a few miles down the road, and don't even have a reliable means to recharge their cellphones. It's actually worse since the only bonus pay they'll probably get is family sep. <quote>As someone said, they are soldiers of the US Army and this is their current mission. As soldiers they are respected now and will be respected when they leave the military, as they should be.</quote> I don't know what planet you live on, but it certainly does not sound like earth. Many people don't respect the military already and this is not helping that perception. And not all "missions" are created equal, as is evidenced by all the feedback given here, from the people on the ground to the SecDef who had to make the call to deploy them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 11/10/18 11:31:26 AM #39:	What I mean is they are in no danger of being harmed. That is a huge deal when you are a soldier fighting in a foreign land. Hexenherz posted... Many people don't respect the military Maybe the type of people who shitpost on twitter and gamefaqs. Regular everyday people have a lot of respect for soldiers. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:912159208] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote>What I mean is they are in no danger of being harmed. That is a huge deal when you are a soldier fighting in a foreign land. <cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>Many people don't respect the military</quote> Maybe the type of people who shitpost on twitter and gamefaqs. Regular everyday people have a lot of respect for soldiers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 11/10/18 11:33:48 AM #40:	Regular everyday people have a lot of respect for soldiers. In my experience, regular everyday people are indifferent to the military. The conditions themselves are safer, I agree with you there. --- FFXIV: Herzog Erislieb (Cactaur) \| ESO: @Ultima_Vyse RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/99 FISH/99 Cook <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:912159294] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote><quote>Regular everyday people have a lot of respect for soldiers.</quote> In my experience, regular everyday people are indifferent to the military. The conditions themselves are safer, I agree with you there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 11/10/18 11:35:24 AM #41:	Ever go to a sports game where they honor a soldier or former soldier? The stadium is always full of applause, and most people stand up too. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:912159359] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote>Ever go to a sports game where they honor a soldier or former soldier? The stadium is always full of applause, and most people stand up too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 11/10/18 11:36:56 AM #42:	Damn_Underscore posted... Ever go to a sports game where they honor a soldier or former soldier? The stadium is always full of applause, and most people stand up too. I really believe it's erroneous to associate a stadium of people at a sporting event as representative of the general perception of the US people... --- FFXIV: Herzog Erislieb (Cactaur) \| ESO: @Ultima_Vyse RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/99 FISH/99 Cook <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:912159420] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>Ever go to a sports game where they honor a soldier or former soldier? The stadium is always full of applause, and most people stand up too.</quote> I really believe it's erroneous to associate a stadium of people at a sporting event as representative of the general perception of the US people...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 11/10/18 11:42:07 AM #43:	Most people only cheer when a soldier/veteran are honored because it's expected, not really because they actually care. Also because they're at a sporting event where they'll cheer for just about anything because the sport basically acts as a really great hype man. Literally the crowd cheers to make a virtual car on a screen move slightly faster, though I don't know if any stadium still does that thing. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:912159646] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote>Most people only cheer when a soldier/veteran are honored because it's expected, not really because they actually care. Also because they're at a sporting event where they'll cheer for just about anything because the sport basically acts as a really great hype man. Literally the crowd cheers to make a virtual car on a screen move slightly faster, though I don't know if any stadium still does that thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 11/10/18 11:45:34 AM #44:	Why do people think the alternative is just letting the migrants walk in completely unchallenged? A lot of these soldiers are doing jobs the National Guard was already doing. --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:912159794] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote>Why do people think the alternative is just letting the migrants walk in completely unchallenged? A lot of these soldiers are doing jobs the National Guard was already doing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 11/10/18 11:47:03 AM #45:	eston posted... Why do people think the alternative is just letting the migrants walk in completely unchallenged? Because these people never intended to engage in an honest discussion. Just ignore them. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:912159863] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>Why do people think the alternative is just letting the migrants walk in completely unchallenged?</quote> Because these people never intended to engage in an honest discussion. Just ignore them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sesshoru 11/10/18 11:59:22 AM #46:	Hexenherz posted... Damn_Underscore posted... Ever go to a sports game where they honor a soldier or former soldier? The stadium is always full of applause, and most people stand up too. I really believe it's erroneous to associate a stadium of people at a sporting event as representative of the general perception of the US people... And in those instances it's because people are essentially instructed to show deference to the military. It reminds me of that Curb Your Enthusiasm episode where everyone greets a soldier with the rehearsed "thank you for your service" and Larry just greets the guy and is treated as the biggest asshole on the planet. We fetishise the military in this country and they do have a hard job but let's not forget it's basically a glorified job-works program. <cite>Sesshoru posted [p:912160391] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>Ever go to a sports game where they honor a soldier or former soldier? The stadium is always full of applause, and most people stand up too.</quote> I really believe it's erroneous to associate a stadium of people at a sporting event as representative of the general perception of the US people...</quote> And in those instances it's because people are essentially instructed to show deference to the military. It reminds me of that Curb Your Enthusiasm episode where everyone greets a soldier with the rehearsed "thank you for your service" and Larry just greets the guy and is treated as the biggest asshole on the planet. We fetishise the military in this country and they do have a hard job but let's not forget it's basically a glorified job-works program.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sesshoru 11/10/18 12:01:42 PM #47:	BLAKUboy posted... eston posted... Why do people think the alternative is just letting the migrants walk in completely unchallenged? Because these people never intended to engage in an honest discussion. Just ignore them. Clearly did not read the article because that isn't even the crux of the discussion. <cite>Sesshoru posted [p:912160482] in Deployed I... [t:77189153]...</cite> <quote><cite>BLAKUboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>Why do people think the alternative is just letting the migrants walk in completely unchallenged?</quote> Because these people never intended to engage in an honest discussion. Just ignore them.</quote> Clearly did not read the article because that isn't even the crux of the discussion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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