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Tmaster148 11/09/18 7:11:09 PM #1:	https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/11/09/evidence-shows-us-navy-ignored-sinking-ship-migrants-drowned-and-screamed-help A prosecutor in Sicily confirmed this week that he'd begun an investigation into allegations that a U.S. Navy ship appeared to have initially ignored cries for help from migrants aboard an inflatable raft off Libyaa delay that may have led to the deaths of 76 people including a baby. "If the first time we had seen the ship, if it had come and helped us, there wouldn't have been deaths," charged one of the survivors. Survivors described the events of the June 12 shipwreck in harrowing details in a video published by Italian news site La Repubblica. To hear the survivors in their own words, watch the video posted by La Repubblica below. (The subtitles are in Italian, some of the survivors are sharing their stories in English, while others are doing so in French.) "We saw the American ship," said one survivor referring to the USNS Trenton. Several said they were close enough to see the American flag on the ship, adding that the sight of the vessel brought a sense of relief as the small dingy had begun to take on water. Trying to get the Trenton's attention, the migrants stood up, waved their shirts in the air, and called out. But the U.S. Navy ship, according to survivors, did not approach them, but rather appeared to be moving further away even as the migrant ship tried to follow it. The U.S. Navy and aid groups acknowledged that the ship ultimately did come to provide aid, helping 41 of those still alive. But survivors say the relief came only when the ship came back around, some 30 minutes later. That was 30 minutes too late, as the boat had capsized and people were drowning. "At that moment, I lost my only brother and my sister," said one woman, adding that she too almost lost her life. "We clearly saw the same American ship that had ignored us approaching," the Guardian reports one man as saying in the video. When they asked the people on the U.S. ship why they didn't help at first, survivors said they were told rescuing people was "not their job." The U.S. Navy had asserted in a statement about the rescue of the 41 people that it showed "our ability to respond rapidly to provide relief." According to the International Organization for Migration, those aboard the ill-fated raft were mostly sub-Saharan Africans. It added: they had left Zuwara, in Libya, during the night of 11 June, sailing on a dinghy carrying 117 people, including 20 women and a one-year-old child. After seven hours of navigation, the boat began to deflate and many migrants fell into the water. The U.S. Trenton, patrolling nearby, intervened and managed to bring 41 people to safety. Overall, 76 migrants lost their lives, survivors said, including 15 of the 20 women and the one-year-old child. Survivor testimony prompted the newly launched probe by Ragusa, Sicily prosecutor Fabio D'Anna, who said that initial testimony from them did not raise suspicion the naval ship had ignored them. What a piece of shit country ignoring those in a desperate situation. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:912129037] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote>https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/11/09/evidence-shows-us-navy-ignored-sinking-ship-migrants-drowned-and-screamed-help <quote>A prosecutor in Sicily confirmed this week that he'd begun an investigation into allegations that a U.S. Navy ship appeared to have initially ignored cries for help from migrants aboard an inflatable raft off Libyaa delay that may have led to the deaths of 76 people including a baby. "If the first time we had seen the ship, if it had come and helped us, there wouldn't have been deaths," charged one of the survivors. Survivors described the events of the June 12 shipwreck in harrowing details in a video published by Italian news site La Repubblica. To hear the survivors in their own words, watch the video posted by La Repubblica below. (The subtitles are in Italian, some of the survivors are sharing their stories in English, while others are doing so in French.) "We saw the American ship," said one survivor referring to the USNS Trenton. Several said they were close enough to see the American flag on the ship, adding that the sight of the vessel brought a sense of relief as the small dingy had begun to take on water. Trying to get the Trenton's attention, the migrants stood up, waved their shirts in the air, and called out. But the U.S. Navy ship, according to survivors, did not approach them, but rather appeared to be moving further away even as the migrant ship tried to follow it. The U.S. Navy and aid groups acknowledged that the ship ultimately did come to provide aid, helping 41 of those still alive. But survivors say the relief came only when the ship came back around, some 30 minutes later. That was 30 minutes too late, as the boat had capsized and people were drowning. "At that moment, I lost my only brother and my sister," said one woman, adding that she too almost lost her life. "We clearly saw the same American ship that had ignored us approaching," the Guardian reports one man as saying in the video. When they asked the people on the U.S. ship why they didn't help at first, survivors said they were told rescuing people was "not their job." The U.S. Navy had asserted in a statement about the rescue of the 41 people that it showed "our ability to respond rapidly to provide relief." According to the International Organization for Migration, those aboard the ill-fated raft were mostly sub-Saharan Africans. It added: <quote>they had left Zuwara, in Libya, during the night of 11 June, sailing on a dinghy carrying 117 people, including 20 women and a one-year-old child. After seven hours of navigation, the boat began to deflate and many migrants fell into the water. The U.S. Trenton, patrolling nearby, intervened and managed to bring 41 people to safety. Overall, 76 migrants lost their lives, survivors said, including 15 of the 20 women and the one-year-old child.</quote> Survivor testimony prompted the newly launched probe by Ragusa, Sicily prosecutor Fabio D'Anna, who said that initial testimony from them did not raise suspicion the naval ship had ignored them. </quote> What a piece of shit country ignoring those in a desperate situation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 11/09/18 7:13:38 PM #2:	what the fuck --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:912129150] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote>what the fuck</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 11/09/18 7:13:46 PM #3:	Tmaster148 posted... piece of shit country --- https://imgur.com/MS5SvzN Take better care of your teeth and f***, a lot more. <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:912129157] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>piece of shit country</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Roxborough4Ever 11/09/18 7:14:32 PM #4:	Rika_Furude posted... what the fuck yeah, why the fuck would they put 100+ people on a dinghy? --- You feast on red herring because it is your birthright. <cite>Roxborough4Ever posted [p:912129188] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>what the fuck</quote> yeah, why the fuck would they put 100+ people on a dinghy?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 11/09/18 7:14:33 PM #5:	This is tame in the scale of douchebaggery by the US military tbh --- I don't know my gimmick "Does that sound reasonable to you?" <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:912129194] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote>This is tame in the scale of douchebaggery by the US military tbh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3rd_Best_Master 11/09/18 7:16:29 PM #6:	That response by the navy makes them out even worse. So they could have easily saved all those people but waited until 20 drowned first before turning around and finally helping. Pretty sure one of those movie Uncle Ben's has a pretty decent quote about that. --- You've fought the strongest, the second strongest, the fourth strongest, and the weakest master! Now you see the true advantage of being third strongest master! <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:912129285] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote>That response by the navy makes them out even worse. So they could have easily saved all those people but waited until 20 drowned first before turning around and finally helping. Pretty sure one of those movie Uncle Ben's has a pretty decent quote about that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonOctopus 11/09/18 7:17:24 PM #7:	I've heard stories that immigrants intentionally sink their own ship in front of boats cuz they know that by law, the boat has the rescue them >_> --- https://imgur.com/nlaY1qH https://imgur.com/zHJ1OCo https://imgur.com/btBPP4E https://imgur.com/1B3bMHw https://i.imgtc.com/oBtziLb.png <cite>NeonOctopus posted [p:912129340] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote>I've heard stories that immigrants intentionally sink their own ship in front of boats cuz they know that by law, the boat has the rescue them >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiderofHogs 11/09/18 7:18:21 PM #8:	NeonOctopus posted... I've heard stories that immigrants intentionally sink their own ship in front of boats cuz they know that by law, the boat has the rescue them >_> Wouldn't surprise me. --- I hath returned. <cite>RiderofHogs posted [p:912129399] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>NeonOctopus posted...</cite> <quote>I've heard stories that immigrants intentionally sink their own ship in front of boats cuz they know that by law, the boat has the rescue them >_></quote> Wouldn't surprise me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 11/09/18 7:19:03 PM #9:	actually, don't those huge military ships take like half an hour to turn around anyway? can't remember where I saw it, maybe mythbusters? and it might also only be aircraft carriers --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:912129440] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote>actually, don't those huge military ships take like half an hour to turn around anyway? can't remember where I saw it, maybe mythbusters? and it might also only be aircraft carriers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Roxborough4Ever 11/09/18 7:19:19 PM #10:	NeonOctopus posted... I've heard stories that immigrants intentionally sink their own ship in front of boats cuz they know that by law, the boat has the rescue them >_> PROOF? PROOF? LINK? sorry, but snopes.....says its not true, so i'm gonna peg this as a racist comment from somebody who just hates refugees until you get some real proof that snopes doesnt say it fake --- You feast on red herring because it is your birthright. <cite>Roxborough4Ever posted [p:912129451] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>NeonOctopus posted...</cite> <quote>I've heard stories that immigrants intentionally sink their own ship in front of boats cuz they know that by law, the boat has the rescue them >_></quote> PROOF? PROOF? LINK? sorry, but snopes.....says its not true, so i'm gonna peg this as a racist comment from somebody who just hates refugees until you get some real proof that snopes doesnt say it fake</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 11/09/18 7:21:40 PM #11:	NeonOctopus posted... I've heard stories that immigrants intentionally sink their own ship in front of boats cuz they know that by law, the boat has the rescue them >_> Its true but what choice do they have? Just let them drown? --- Sig User Logic https://imgur.com/lA5fm7w <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:912129587] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>NeonOctopus posted...</cite> <quote>I've heard stories that immigrants intentionally sink their own ship in front of boats cuz they know that by law, the boat has the rescue them >_></quote> Its true but what choice do they have? Just let them drown?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 11/09/18 7:22:22 PM #12:	Thats fucked --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:912129626] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote>Thats fucked</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 11/09/18 7:26:13 PM #13:	NeonOctopus posted... I've heard stories that immigrants intentionally sink their own ship in front of boats cuz they know that by law, the boat has the rescue them >_> Irrelevant. --- https://imgur.com/MS5SvzN Take better care of your teeth and f***, a lot more. <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:912129851] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>NeonOctopus posted...</cite> <quote>I've heard stories that immigrants intentionally sink their own ship in front of boats cuz they know that by law, the boat has the rescue them >_></quote> Irrelevant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Delta_F14 11/09/18 7:26:31 PM #14:	Depending on the type of US ship is was, a 30 minute response time is possible. --- http://conniptions.gives/ <cite>Delta_F14 posted [p:912129868] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote>Depending on the type of US ship is was, a 30 minute response time is possible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ray_Dorset 11/09/18 7:27:48 PM #15:	@Roxborough4Ever posted... NeonOctopus posted... I've heard stories that immigrants intentionally sink their own ship in front of boats cuz they know that by law, the boat has the rescue them >_> PROOF? PROOF? LINK? sorry, but snopes.....says its not true, so i'm gonna peg this as a racist comment from somebody who just hates refugees until you get some real proof that snopes doesnt say it fake fuckin meltdown incoming --- https://currentevents.ws/ https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1474-imgtc-development <cite>Ray_Dorset posted [p:912129925] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>@Roxborough4Ever posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NeonOctopus posted...</cite> <quote>I've heard stories that immigrants intentionally sink their own ship in front of boats cuz they know that by law, the boat has the rescue them >_></quote> PROOF? PROOF? LINK? sorry, but snopes.....says its not true, so i'm gonna peg this as a racist comment from somebody who just hates refugees until you get some real proof that snopes doesnt say it fake</quote> fuckin meltdown incoming</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3rd_Best_Master 11/09/18 7:29:15 PM #16:	Jfc how does Roxy have so much energy for all these meltdowns? My nephew has a meltdown and he's taking a nap for a few hours. --- You've fought the strongest, the second strongest, the fourth strongest, and the weakest master! Now you see the true advantage of being third strongest master! <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:912130004] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote>Jfc how does Roxy have so much energy for all these meltdowns? My nephew has a meltdown and he's taking a nap for a few hours.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 11/09/18 7:29:52 PM #17:	Delta_F14 posted... Depending on the type of US ship is was, a 30 minute response time is possible. Tmaster148 posted... "We saw the American ship," said one survivor referring to the USNS Trenton. Several said they were close enough to see the American flag on the ship, adding that the sight of the vessel brought a sense of relief as the small dingy had begun to take on water. Trying to get the Trenton's attention, the migrants stood up, waved their shirts in the air, and called out. But the U.S. Navy ship, according to survivors, did not approach them, but rather appeared to be moving further away even as the migrant ship tried to follow it. The issue here isn't that the ship couldn't turn fast enough. It was that the ship just straight up ignore them at least for a half hour until it finally turned around. It's not like the ship was that far away either given what could be seen. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:912130040] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>Delta_F14 posted...</cite> <quote>Depending on the type of US ship is was, a 30 minute response time is possible.</quote> <cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>"We saw the American ship," said one survivor referring to the USNS Trenton. Several said they were close enough to see the American flag on the ship, adding that the sight of the vessel brought a sense of relief as the small dingy had begun to take on water. Trying to get the Trenton's attention, the migrants stood up, waved their shirts in the air, and called out. But the U.S. Navy ship, according to survivors, did not approach them, but rather appeared to be moving further away even as the migrant ship tried to follow it.</quote> The issue here isn't that the ship couldn't turn fast enough. It was that the ship just straight up ignore them at least for a half hour until it finally turned around. It's not like the ship was that far away either given what could be seen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 11/09/18 7:31:52 PM #19:	While it seems shitty, the reality is that only one side is being told here. We don't know what the ship's tasking was and it's possible that it was supporting an operation or conducting a mission which required additional authorization to break away from in order to rescue people. --- FFXIV: Herzog Erislieb (Cactaur) \| ESO: @Ultima_Vyse RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/99 FISH/99 Cook <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:912130147] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote>While it seems shitty, the reality is that only one side is being told here. We don't know what the ship's tasking was and it's possible that it was supporting an operation or conducting a mission which required additional authorization to break away from in order to rescue people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Roxborough4Ever 11/09/18 7:32:22 PM #20:	3rd_Best_Master posted... Jfc how does Roxy have so much energy for all these meltdowns? My nephew has a meltdown and he's taking a nap for a few hours. lol..i wont lie i giggled --- You feast on red herring because it is your birthright. <cite>Roxborough4Ever posted [p:912130172] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote>Jfc how does Roxy have so much energy for all these meltdowns? My nephew has a meltdown and he's taking a nap for a few hours.</quote> lol..i wont lie i giggled</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonOctopus 11/09/18 7:34:19 PM #21:	Roxborough4Ever posted... NeonOctopus posted... I've heard stories that immigrants intentionally sink their own ship in front of boats cuz they know that by law, the boat has the rescue them >_> PROOF? PROOF? LINK? sorry, but snopes.....says its not true, so i'm gonna peg this as a racist comment from somebody who just hates refugees until you get some real proof that snopes doesnt say it fake .....uh....that's quite a response.... --- https://imgur.com/nlaY1qH https://imgur.com/zHJ1OCo https://imgur.com/btBPP4E https://imgur.com/1B3bMHw https://i.imgtc.com/oBtziLb.png <cite>NeonOctopus posted [p:912130276] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>Roxborough4Ever posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NeonOctopus posted...</cite> <quote>I've heard stories that immigrants intentionally sink their own ship in front of boats cuz they know that by law, the boat has the rescue them >_></quote> PROOF? PROOF? LINK? sorry, but snopes.....says its not true, so i'm gonna peg this as a racist comment from somebody who just hates refugees until you get some real proof that snopes doesnt say it fake</quote> .....uh....that's quite a response....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Roxborough4Ever 11/09/18 7:36:12 PM #22:	Snopes is the gatekeeper. Snopes is reality. Unless Snopes confirms, It's Not True. --- You feast on red herring because it is your birthright. <cite>Roxborough4Ever posted [p:912130371] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote>Snopes is the gatekeeper. Snopes is reality. Unless Snopes confirms, It's Not True.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hotcegaI 11/09/18 7:38:01 PM #23:	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USNS_Trenton_(T-EPF-5) USNS Trenton (T-EPF-5), (formerly JHSV-5), (ex-Resolute) is a Spearhead-class expeditionary fast transport. Spearhead-class ships are used to support overseas operations, conduct humanitarian aid and disaster relief, and support special operations forces. it gets worse <cite>hotcegaI posted [p:912130464] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USNS_Trenton_(T-EPF-5) USNS Trenton (T-EPF-5), (formerly JHSV-5), (ex-Resolute) is a Spearhead-class expeditionary fast transport. Spearhead-class ships are used to support overseas operations, conduct humanitarian aid and disaster relief, and support special operations forces. it gets worse</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3rd_Best_Master 11/09/18 7:39:42 PM #24:	Snopes confirms now. Finally a new king to take over the throne that was vacated by CNN. --- You've fought the strongest, the second strongest, the fourth strongest, and the weakest master! Now you see the true advantage of being third strongest master! <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:912130561] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote>Snopes confirms now. Finally a new king to take over the throne that was vacated by CNN.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 11/09/18 7:42:00 PM #25:	Isnt snopes just two middle aged people? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:912130692] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote>Isnt snopes just two middle aged people?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 11/09/18 7:42:51 PM #26:	Roxborough4Ever posted... NeonOctopus posted... I've heard stories that immigrants intentionally sink their own ship in front of boats cuz they know that by law, the boat has the rescue them >_> PROOF? PROOF? LINK? sorry, but snopes.....says its not true, so i'm gonna peg this as a racist comment from somebody who just hates refugees until you get some real proof that snopes doesnt say it fake have you ever considered not posting obnoxious shit --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:912130737] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>Roxborough4Ever posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NeonOctopus posted...</cite> <quote>I've heard stories that immigrants intentionally sink their own ship in front of boats cuz they know that by law, the boat has the rescue them >_></quote> PROOF? PROOF? LINK? sorry, but snopes.....says its not true, so i'm gonna peg this as a racist comment from somebody who just hates refugees until you get some real proof that snopes doesnt say it fake</quote> have you ever considered not posting obnoxious shit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ROBANN_88 11/09/18 7:43:25 PM #27:	Tmaster148 posted... the small dingy had begun to take on water. the people smugglers have been doing that on purpose for ages now. while you might not agree with the Navys actions, the responsibility lies first and foremost on the ones who put a small rubber dinghy full of people out on the open sea. --- https://imgur.com/cUNC8DI <cite>ROBANN_88 posted [p:912130771] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote> the small dingy had begun to take on water.</quote> the people smugglers have been doing that on purpose for ages now. while you might not agree with the Navys actions, the responsibility lies first and foremost on the ones who put a small rubber dinghy full of people out on the open sea.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 11/09/18 7:44:05 PM #28:	hotcegaI posted... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USNS_Trenton_(T-EPF-5) USNS Trenton (T-EPF-5), (formerly JHSV-5), (ex-Resolute) is a Spearhead-class expeditionary fast transport. Spearhead-class ships are used to support overseas operations, conduct humanitarian aid and disaster relief, and support special operations forces. it gets worse So the boat is meant to do exactly what it didn't, huh? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:912130800] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>hotcegaI posted...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USNS_Trenton_(T-EPF-5) USNS Trenton (T-EPF-5), (formerly JHSV-5), (ex-Resolute) is a Spearhead-class expeditionary fast transport. Spearhead-class ships are used to support overseas operations, conduct humanitarian aid and disaster relief, and support special operations forces. it gets worse</quote> So the boat is meant to do exactly what it didn't, huh?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiderofHogs 11/09/18 7:44:12 PM #29:	ROBANN_88 posted... Tmaster148 posted... the small dingy had begun to take on water. the people smugglers have been doing that on purpose for ages now. while you might not agree with the Navys actions, the responsibility lies first and foremost on the ones who put a small rubber dinghy full of people out on the open sea. At night. --- I hath returned. <cite>RiderofHogs posted [p:912130802] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>ROBANN_88 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote> the small dingy had begun to take on water.</quote> the people smugglers have been doing that on purpose for ages now. while you might not agree with the Navys actions, the responsibility lies first and foremost on the ones who put a small rubber dinghy full of people out on the open sea.</quote> At night.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 11/09/18 7:44:50 PM #30:	ROBANN_88 posted... Tmaster148 posted... the small dingy had begun to take on water. the people smugglers have been doing that on purpose for ages now. while you might not agree with the Navys actions, the responsibility lies first and foremost on the ones who put a small rubber dinghy full of people out on the open sea. So it's okay to let people drown and die, just because there might be a smuggler in the group. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:912130842] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>ROBANN_88 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote> the small dingy had begun to take on water.</quote> the people smugglers have been doing that on purpose for ages now. while you might not agree with the Navys actions, the responsibility lies first and foremost on the ones who put a small rubber dinghy full of people out on the open sea.</quote> So it's okay to let people drown and die, just because there might be a smuggler in the group.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dunsworthy 11/09/18 7:45:12 PM #31:	People itt think these boats can just stop on a dime and back up. If they were ignoring them why go back and get them at all? <cite>Dunsworthy posted [p:912130856] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote>People itt think these boats can just stop on a dime and back up. If they were ignoring them why go back and get them at all?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 11/09/18 7:46:06 PM #32:	Yes, a bunch of migrants who are escaping for their lives are going to take the risk that they can trust the boat ahead of them and potentially kill themselves by sinking their own ship. You guys and your conspiracies...yeesh... --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLH8skGXKw4 WHOOP WHOOP <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:912130896] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote>Yes, a bunch of migrants who are escaping for their lives are going to take the risk that they can trust the boat ahead of them and potentially kill themselves by sinking their own ship. You guys and your conspiracies...yeesh...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 11/09/18 7:46:52 PM #33:	Dunsworthy posted... People itt think these boats can just stop on a dime and back up. If they were ignoring them why go back and get them at all? Because the boat didn't make an attempt to turn around initially. Maybe read the article and understand the context. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:912130933] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dunsworthy posted...</cite> <quote>People itt think these boats can just stop on a dime and back up. If they were ignoring them why go back and get them at all?</quote> Because the boat didn't make an attempt to turn around initially. Maybe read the article and understand the context.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 11/09/18 7:47:17 PM #34:	The Great Muta 22 posted... Yes, a bunch of migrants who are escaping for their lives are going to take the risk that they can trust the boat ahead of them and potentially kill themselves by sinking their own ship. You guys and your conspiracies...yeesh... But HURRR SNOPES --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:912130956] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, a bunch of migrants who are escaping for their lives are going to take the risk that they can trust the boat ahead of them and potentially kill themselves by sinking their own ship. You guys and your conspiracies...yeesh...</quote> But HURRR SNOPES</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ROBANN_88 11/09/18 7:47:47 PM #35:	Tmaster148 posted... ROBANN_88 posted... Tmaster148 posted... the small dingy had begun to take on water. the people smugglers have been doing that on purpose for ages now. while you might not agree with the Navys actions, the responsibility lies first and foremost on the ones who put a small rubber dinghy full of people out on the open sea. So it's okay to let people drown and die, just because there might be a smuggler in the group. read that again. where did i say "this is good, i fully endorse letting people drown"? --- https://imgur.com/cUNC8DI <cite>ROBANN_88 posted [p:912130984] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ROBANN_88 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote> the small dingy had begun to take on water.</quote> the people smugglers have been doing that on purpose for ages now. while you might not agree with the Navys actions, the responsibility lies first and foremost on the ones who put a small rubber dinghy full of people out on the open sea.</quote> So it's okay to let people drown and die, just because there might be a smuggler in the group.</quote> read that again. where did i say "this is good, i fully endorse letting people drown"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 11/09/18 7:48:00 PM #36:	Questionmarktarius posted... So the boat is meant to do exactly what it didn't, huh? No, nevermind. It's a bit beefier than I thought. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spearhead-class_expeditionary_fast_transport <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:912130998] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>So the boat is meant to do exactly what it didn't, huh?</quote> No, nevermind. It's a bit beefier than I thought. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spearhead-class_expeditionary_fast_transport</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metralo 11/09/18 7:48:11 PM #37:	Fuck the military and fuck America. --- https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1298321979/image.jpg bustin makes me feel good <cite>metralo posted [p:912131008] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote>Fuck the military and fuck America.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 11/09/18 7:48:57 PM #38:	So... whats the turning speed of this boat again? 30 minutes? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:912131040] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote>So... whats the turning speed of this boat again? 30 minutes?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 11/09/18 7:49:16 PM #39:	metralo posted... Fuck the military and fuck America. Would you rather another boat hadn't been in the area at all? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:912131061] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>metralo posted...</cite> <quote>Fuck the military and fuck America.</quote> Would you rather another boat hadn't been in the area at all?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CoolMaskGuy 11/09/18 7:49:34 PM #40:	Hexenherz posted... While it seems shitty, the reality is that only one side is being told here. Yep, yet we have people saying the US is evil, a POS country, etc. <cite>CoolMaskGuy posted [p:912131072] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>While it seems shitty, the reality is that only one side is being told here. </quote> Yep, yet we have people saying the US is evil, a POS country, etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VTBM 11/09/18 7:50:53 PM #41:	Dunsworthy posted... People itt think these boats can just stop on a dime and back up. If they were ignoring them why go back and get them at all? --- http://darkvisionsofterror.bandcamp.com/ https://imgur.com/e7sCCSb http://i.imgtc.com/AlmbdTG49T.jpg <cite>VTBM posted [p:912131134] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dunsworthy posted...</cite> <quote>People itt think these boats can just stop on a dime and back up. If they were ignoring them why go back and get them at all?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 11/09/18 7:51:28 PM #42:	hotcegaI posted... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USNS_Trenton_(T-EPF-5) USNS Trenton (T-EPF-5), (formerly JHSV-5), (ex-Resolute) is a Spearhead-class expeditionary fast transport. Spearhead-class ships are used to support overseas operations, conduct humanitarian aid and disaster relief, and support special operations forces. it gets worse You're probably looking at the "conduct humanitarian aid and disaster relief" part and ignoring the "support overseas operations and support special operations forces" part... And again we don't know what it was even doing in the first place, it's not like ships just randomly sail around looking for people in need of rescue to blow off. --- FFXIV: Herzog Erislieb (Cactaur) \| ESO: @Ultima_Vyse RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/99 FISH/99 Cook <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:912131158] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>hotcegaI posted...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USNS_Trenton_(T-EPF-5) USNS Trenton (T-EPF-5), (formerly JHSV-5), (ex-Resolute) is a Spearhead-class expeditionary fast transport. Spearhead-class ships are used to support overseas operations, conduct humanitarian aid and disaster relief, and support special operations forces. it gets worse</quote> You're probably looking at the "conduct humanitarian aid and disaster relief" part and ignoring the "support overseas operations and support special operations forces" part... And again we don't know what it was even doing in the first place, it's not like ships just randomly sail around looking for people in need of rescue to blow off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Roxborough4Ever 11/09/18 7:52:44 PM #43:	King_Hellebuyck posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... Yes, a bunch of migrants who are escaping for their lives are going to take the risk that they can trust the boat ahead of them and potentially kill themselves by sinking their own ship. You guys and your conspiracies...yeesh... But HURRR SNOPES exactly, unless snopes confirms it, its probably racist alex jones crap --- You feast on red herring because it is your birthright. <cite>Roxborough4Ever posted [p:912131220] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, a bunch of migrants who are escaping for their lives are going to take the risk that they can trust the boat ahead of them and potentially kill themselves by sinking their own ship. You guys and your conspiracies...yeesh...</quote> But HURRR SNOPES</quote> exactly, unless snopes confirms it, its probably racist alex jones crap</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ROBANN_88 11/09/18 7:56:23 PM #44:	The Great Muta 22 posted... Yes, a bunch of migrants who are escaping for their lives are going to take the risk that they can trust the boat ahead of them and potentially kill themselves by sinking their own ship. You guys and your conspiracies...yeesh... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34251539 "According to Jay it was the Syrian smugglers on board the boat who had deliberately sunk it, using a hammer to smash a hole in the hull. A fatal move, he believes, done in the hope of attracting the attention of the Greek military based on Farmakonisi." https://globalnews.ca/news/1957154/dinghies-and-shoddy-wooden-boats-how-smugglers-ship-migrants-to-europe/ "the nimble smugglers are turning now to a newer, cheaper and more dangerous tactic launching rubber dinghies crammed with migrants that sometimes start deflating even before they reach Italy." --- https://imgur.com/cUNC8DI <cite>ROBANN_88 posted [p:912131420] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, a bunch of migrants who are escaping for their lives are going to take the risk that they can trust the boat ahead of them and potentially kill themselves by sinking their own ship. You guys and your conspiracies...yeesh...</quote> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34251539 "According to Jay it was the Syrian smugglers on board the boat who had deliberately sunk it, using a hammer to smash a hole in the hull. A fatal move, he believes, done in the hope of attracting the attention of the Greek military based on Farmakonisi." https://globalnews.ca/news/1957154/dinghies-and-shoddy-wooden-boats-how-smugglers-ship-migrants-to-europe/ "the nimble smugglers are turning now to a newer, cheaper and more dangerous tactic launching rubber dinghies crammed with migrants that sometimes start deflating even before they reach Italy."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eggcorn 11/09/18 7:57:24 PM #45:	Rika_Furude posted... Isnt snopes just two middle aged people? yes --- Warning: This post may contain triggering or distressing content. <cite>eggcorn posted [p:912131467] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>Isnt snopes just two middle aged people?</quote> yes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dunsworthy 11/09/18 7:59:08 PM #46:	Tmaster148 posted... Dunsworthy posted... People itt think these boats can just stop on a dime and back up. If they were ignoring them why go back and get them at all? Because the boat didn't make an attempt to turn around initially. Maybe read the article and understand the context. Oh I read it. Probably a good chance the migrants didn't understand that the boat cant just stop instantly either. Why would they go back at all if they were being so full of evil to ignore them in the first place? I also notice that the prosecutor originally had not thought there to be any reason to believe the response was incorrect. And that most of the women died on the boat in comparison to the men. Guess women and children as a priority is not a practice migrants employ. <cite>Dunsworthy posted [p:912131557] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dunsworthy posted...</cite> <quote>People itt think these boats can just stop on a dime and back up. If they were ignoring them why go back and get them at all?</quote> Because the boat didn't make an attempt to turn around initially. Maybe read the article and understand the context.</quote> Oh I read it. Probably a good chance the migrants didn't understand that the boat cant just stop instantly either. Why would they go back at all if they were being so full of evil to ignore them in the first place? I also notice that the prosecutor originally had not thought there to be any reason to believe the response was incorrect. And that most of the women died on the boat in comparison to the men. Guess women and children as a priority is not a practice migrants employ.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 11/09/18 8:00:59 PM #48:	Dunsworthy posted... Tmaster148 posted... Dunsworthy posted... People itt think these boats can just stop on a dime and back up. If they were ignoring them why go back and get them at all? Because the boat didn't make an attempt to turn around initially. Maybe read the article and understand the context. Oh I read it. Probably a good chance the migrants didn't understand that the boat cant just stop instantly either. Why would they go back at all if they were being so full of evil to ignore them in the first place? I also notice that the prosecutor originally had not thought there to be any reason to believe the response was incorrect. And that most of the women died on the boat in comparison to the men. Guess women and children as a priority is not a practice migrants employ. I still don't feel like you did When they asked the people on the U.S. ship why they didn't help at first, survivors said they were told rescuing people was "not their job." The U.S. Navy had asserted in a statement about the rescue of the 41 people that it showed "our ability to respond rapidly to provide relief." The ship did not make an effort to rescue them initially. There's really no other way to spin this. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:912131654] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dunsworthy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dunsworthy posted...</cite> <quote>People itt think these boats can just stop on a dime and back up. If they were ignoring them why go back and get them at all?</quote> Because the boat didn't make an attempt to turn around initially. Maybe read the article and understand the context.</quote> Oh I read it. Probably a good chance the migrants didn't understand that the boat cant just stop instantly either. Why would they go back at all if they were being so full of evil to ignore them in the first place? I also notice that the prosecutor originally had not thought there to be any reason to believe the response was incorrect. And that most of the women died on the boat in comparison to the men. Guess women and children as a priority is not a practice migrants employ.</quote> I still don't feel like you did <quote>When they asked the people on the U.S. ship why they didn't help at first, survivors said they were told rescuing people was "not their job." The U.S. Navy had asserted in a statement about the rescue of the 41 people that it showed "our ability to respond rapidly to provide relief."</quote> The ship did not make an effort to rescue them initially. There's really no other way to spin this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 11/09/18 8:04:11 PM #49:	Is tc trolling --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:912131819] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote>Is tc trolling</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hotcegaI 11/09/18 8:04:39 PM #50:	'what are small rescue boats or life rafts' something a rescue ship doesn't have? <cite>hotcegaI posted [p:912131839] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote>'what are small rescue boats or life rafts' something a rescue ship doesn't have?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 11/09/18 8:08:05 PM #51:	ROBANN_88 posted... https://globalnews.ca/news/1957154/dinghies-and-shoddy-wooden-boats-how-smugglers-ship-migrants-to-europe/ "the nimble smugglers are turning now to a newer, cheaper and more dangerous tactic launching rubber dinghies crammed with migrants that sometimes start deflating even before they reach Italy." Those aren't being sunk intentionally, though --- https://imgur.com/VeNBg https://imgur.com/gd5jC8q https://imgur.com/PKIy7 https://imgur.com/3p29JqP <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:912132004] in Evidence s... [t:77187582]...</cite> <quote><cite>ROBANN_88 posted...</cite> <quote>https://globalnews.ca/news/1957154/dinghies-and-shoddy-wooden-boats-how-smugglers-ship-migrants-to-europe/ "the nimble smugglers are turning now to a newer, cheaper and more dangerous tactic launching rubber dinghies crammed with migrants that sometimes start deflating even before they reach Italy."</quote> Those aren't being sunk intentionally, though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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