Poll of the Day > Chinese guy wants censorship on youtube etc (public platforms)

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This guy from 00:00 - 05:57

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Yeah i dont see how thats gonna fail lol.

I mean ok lets for argument sake go with this. Yes private corporations have the right to do stuff like this to platform whoever they want. And yes while this is not public censorship as this is maintaining private property rights and not society as a whole.

Still? Are you willing to send this vibe. Because this is in a way... promoting authoritarian mentality that, you should not talk to people and try to understand issues and convince them why they are wrong to vote on issues that people can agree on. But rather hope they get brainwashed and dont go underground, create alternative platforms or just create some sort of movement etc. Just like in China where governmental censorship is a thing. Or according to Nazis in Norway, the guys who posted the flyers around would by these guys be seen as bad guys.

Yeah i dont see how this is not gonna fail at all. 100% bulletproof plan right here.

This is why totalitarianism/authoritarianism is bad. One of the main causes of death and violence in my view if the plan is to just get one crappy party view point and not care what others has to say and convince them why they are wrong.

Just wow.

He should go to China.
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"Chinese guy"

You can modded for that on here, just so you know.
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kind9 posted...

"Chinese guy"

You can modded for that on here, just so you know.

But the system is the same. I dont know his name, he just looks chinese.

The Chinese guy is right. The guy on the left is your typical neurotic, paranoid, afraid American.

The Chinese guy is just saying that a private company running a website has the right to create rules of conduct for its website, and that when someone breaks those rules, the company can remove that content.

Does Alex Jones have the right to have a platform? Of course. Does Alex Jones have the right to have a platform on Youtube or Twitter? Not if Youtube/Twitter doesn't want him to. There's nothing wrong with that.
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faramir77 posted...

The Chinese guy is right. The guy on the left is your typical neurotic, paranoid, afraid American.

The Chinese guy is just saying that a private company running a website has the right to create rules of conduct for its website, and that when someone breaks those rules, the company can remove that content.

Does Alex Jones have the right to have a platform? Of course. Does Alex Jones have the right to have a platform on Youtube or Twitter? Not if Youtube/Twitter doesn't want him to. There's nothing wrong with that.

So if neo nazis ran stuff... and they remove your stuff even though the constitution has freedom of speech. By that definition its ok? Or communists etc. It does seem to be in a way anti productive in terms of challenging views and more creating a dark place for that stuff

United Kingdom nowadays seems more to go towards communism (in definition of online control), atleast how the media and stuff seems to be going towards. The small percent of flamboyant SJW in England is a thing though not sure if they are a huge majority

Edit: Btw we are not talking about some random homemade website here. This is a world wide known brand that is suppose to be internationally for everyone.

I believe you were asked to stop making topics.
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CacciatoPart3 posted...

I believe you were asked to stop making topics.

I changed my mind

Kappa02 posted...

So if neo nazis ran stuff... and they remove your stuff even though the constitution has freedom of speech. By that definition its ok?

Yes, because freedom of speech does NOT apply to corporations. GameFAQs can remove any comment you make if it breaks their rules. GameFAQs is not a government.

Secondly, neo-Nazis DO run stuff. There are many neo-Nazi websites. If those websites are created in a country where they are allowed to express those opinions, they can. And if the website is theirs, they are allowed to remove whatever anyone else posts on their website. Just like how Alex Jones is completely allowed to own his own website.

Kappa02 posted...

United Kingdom nowadays seems more to go towards communism (in definition of online control), atleast how the media and stuff seems to be going towards. The small percent of flamboyant SJW in England is a thing though not sure if they are a huge majority

You're absolutely insane if you think any of that is true. Open your eyes, man, come on.

Kappa02 posted...

Edit: Btw we are not talking about some random homemade website here. This is a world wide known brand that is suppose to be internationally for everyone.

What is the difference between a "random homemade website" and a massive "world wide known brand"? Is there a certain point where a website stops being a random homemade website? You realize even Facebook started that way, right?

The guy on the left in the video makes an immensely stupid connection between Youtube taking down Alex Jones "without a trial" (lmfao) and the government throwing someone in jail without evidence or a trial. It's like he thinks Youtube is a government or something.
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A better analogy would have been if you owned a driveway on your property and had a bucket of chalk displayed welcoming people to draw on your driveway. If someone wrote something you deemed inappropriate, should you have the right to remove it?

The answer is obviously yes. The guy on the left would argue you'd need to have a court trial with the person who made the inappropriate image. Simultaneously, that guy also thinks his opinion is the opinion that favours freedom from tyranny and government control. He's unaware of his hypocrisy.
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faramir77 posted...

What is the difference between a "random homemade website" and a massive "world wide known brand"?

In terms of property rights, nil.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

faramir77 posted...

What is the difference between a "random homemade website" and a massive "world wide known brand"?

In terms of property rights, nil.

Bingo.
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there is already censorship on youtube
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their site, their rules.

don't like it? host it yourself or find a host that wants your content

faramir77 posted...

Kappa02 posted...

So if neo nazis ran stuff... and they remove your stuff even though the constitution has freedom of speech. By that definition its ok?

Yes, because freedom of speech does NOT apply to corporations. GameFAQs can remove any comment you make if it breaks their rules. GameFAQs is not a government.

Secondly, neo-Nazis DO run stuff. There are many neo-Nazi websites. If those websites are created in a country where they are allowed to express those opinions, they can. And if the website is theirs, they are allowed to remove whatever anyone else posts on their website. Just like how Alex Jones is completely allowed to own his own website.

Kappa02 posted...

United Kingdom nowadays seems more to go towards communism (in definition of online control), atleast how the media and stuff seems to be going towards. The small percent of flamboyant SJW in England is a thing though not sure if they are a huge majority

You're absolutely insane if you think any of that is true. Open your eyes, man, come on.

Kappa02 posted...

Edit: Btw we are not talking about some random homemade website here. This is a world wide known brand that is suppose to be internationally for everyone.

What is the difference between a "random homemade website" and a massive "world wide known brand"? Is there a certain point where a website stops being a random homemade website? You realize even Facebook started that way, right?

The guy on the left in the video makes an immensely stupid connection between Youtube taking down Alex Jones "without a trial" (lmfao) and the government throwing someone in jail without evidence or a trial. It's like he thinks Youtube is a government or something.

Neo nazi sites are usually banned though because it is incitement. So realistically it is a reason why some content is banned. Just like communism is a failed ideology.

Either case. Point is banning unpopular views is censorship if its a known public platform. But although this does raise a good point that if this becomes.. a thing with monopoly companies. They can make alternative sites and see if they can outsmart the modern companies. But it is sad since this is gonna become more of a echochamber and not try to challenge the opposite.

Like what you are saying is just flat out partisan way of dealing with stuff, the cowardly way. But they can, but its not good thing to win. Since now it makes them look like they have zero answer to that stuff and that they are more or less too weak to even have convincing compelling arguments.

There exists other alternatives though they are not popular than current ones

Minds.com = Facebook
Bit Chute.com (Its written singular but GameFaqs is gonna mistake this for a curse word) = YouTube
Gab.ai = Twitter
voat.co = Reddit

One criticism is... right wingers can be insanely annoying after awhile. But the principle is good.

https://pics.onsizzle.com/censorship-or-free-speech-legacy-modern-minds-brave-facebook-minds-com-35545066.png

this guy knows that YouTube isn't a public platform, right?

it's private. if it was public, you wouldn't be agreeing to a terms of service when you sign up.

that terms of service dictates what is allowed and not allowed on their platform, and if you break the rules, they have the right to punish you for it.

don't like it? don't agree to it and use their platform.

you were told to stop making these ridiculously stupid topics.
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helIy posted...

this guy knows that YouTube isn't a public platform, right?

it's private. if it was public, you wouldn't be agreeing to a terms of service when you sign up.

that terms of service dictates what is allowed and not allowed on their platform, and if you break the rules, they have the right to punish you for it.

don't like it? don't agree to it and use their platform.

you were told to stop making these ridiculously stupid topics.

It is public in the sense that it is a well known place to express yourself. Its not like veoh is scoring high now. So yeah, in modern world it is very well a public platform just like social media is.

But like it is what it is

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Which means that no one that's responded to this video has actually heard what he said, and is likely jut responding to whatever strawman you came up with.
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Kappa02 posted...

It is public in the sense that it is a well known place to express yourself. Its not like veoh is scoring high now. So yeah, in modern world it is very well a public platform just like social media is.

just because that's what you think it is, doesn't mean that's what it is.

it is not. period.

Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, snap chat, ect?

all that shit is private. they all have their own terms of services that state what is and isn't allowed and breaking those rules means you will be punished. they do not cater to everyone, nor should they, because it is their platform, they can do literally anything they want with it.

you want actual open forums? go get a box and stand in front of town hall.
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Couldn't watch/listen to more than 2 minutes.

Why is the other guy screaming/being so loud? Fucking obnoxious. I feel like I am watching some kid fight with someone having to scream louder than the other to feel they are right.

Jesus fuck.
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helIy posted...

Kappa02 posted...

It is public in the sense that it is a well known place to express yourself. Its not like veoh is scoring high now. So yeah, in modern world it is very well a public platform just like social media is.

just because that's what you think it is, doesn't mean that's what it is.

it is not. period.

Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, snap chat, ect?

all that shit is private. they all have their own terms of services that state what is and isn't allowed and breaking those rules means you will be punished. they do not cater to everyone, nor should they, because it is their platform, they can do literally anything they want with it.

you want actual open forums? go get a box and stand in front of town hall.

Keep telling yourself that.

Ya, that's not what a platform is. There is a difference between a platform and a publisher.
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Kappa02 posted...

helIy posted...

Kappa02 posted...

It is public in the sense that it is a well known place to express yourself. Its not like veoh is scoring high now. So yeah, in modern world it is very well a public platform just like social media is.

just because that's what you think it is, doesn't mean that's what it is.

it is not. period.

Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, snap chat, ect?

all that shit is private. they all have their own terms of services that state what is and isn't allowed and breaking those rules means you will be punished. they do not cater to everyone, nor should they, because it is their platform, they can do literally anything they want with it.

you want actual open forums? go get a box and stand in front of town hall.

Keep telling yourself that.

I think hes right, though. I can point to cat and say its a dog. But that doesnt mean its a dog. You can say YouTube is a public forum or whatever, but it doesnt mean youre right. They do have terms and agreement that you have to agree to. And you have to play by their rules to use the site. It seems pretty simple...
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Lokarin posted...

Ya, that's not what a platform is. There is a difference between a platform and a publisher.

Been using Bit Chute a little. Its not too bad. Guess you have a point. Just gotta make it popular. That way they cant complain in a way.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

He should go to China.

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