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Balrog0
11/05/18 10:29:31 AM
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https://www.axios.com/trumps-women-problem-2020-poll-05a62799-a63d-422b-afb7-59b0139794f1.html

Trump vs. the establishment: The two women who barely edge out Trump are Hillary Clinton and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, who is in a virtual tie with the president.

The 2016 election results would remain. If they went head-t0-head again today, Clinton would still beat Trump in the popular vote by a similar same gap as 2016 (50% to 45% of the electorate).
While Democrats support Obama and Winfrey, 65% still feel favorable towards Clinton.
Of all the women in match-ups with Trump, Warren was least popular with white suburban women, but she polled well with millennials.

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AsAnIndependent
11/05/18 10:30:29 AM
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polls don't decide elections
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Anarchy_Juiblex
11/05/18 10:31:00 AM
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Wtf we love polls now.

>Oprah

lol gtfo.
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scar the 1
11/05/18 10:31:43 AM
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I think Warren stepped in it with the DNA thing.
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John_Galt
11/05/18 10:32:50 AM
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Nobody wants that fake Indian
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NinjaWarrior455
11/05/18 10:34:26 AM
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Let's be real, it'll be a while before this country will elect a woman president.
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Antifar
11/05/18 10:34:45 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
I think Warren stepped in it with the DNA thing.

Setting aside what you make of her ancestry, the fact that she thought all that was a good idea doesn't bode well for her in a general election.
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creativerealms
11/05/18 10:36:51 AM
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Yeah Warren is a terrible choice to go against Trump. I think she tried to play Trump at his own game with the DNA test and it blew up in her face. It shown that Trump would destroy her. I hope she has enough sense to realize that.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
11/05/18 10:36:58 AM
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Antifar posted...
scar the 1 posted...
I think Warren stepped in it with the DNA thing.

Setting aside what you make of her ancestry, the fact that she thought all that was a good idea doesn't bode well for her in a general election.


Yeah, releasing a fucking DNA test doesn't set a good precedent in any way. She is a fucking moron for doing that and not overtly throwing her hat into the race. Kills any enthusiasm. Yes it's early but meh.
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voldothegr8
11/05/18 10:39:58 AM
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Spooking posted...
Warren has a 1/1024 chance of winning against Trump.

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Kombucha
11/05/18 10:45:19 AM
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I would vote for Warren without hesitation. I could care less about the DNA bullshit, it's mostly inconsequential in regard to her policy views, which have usually been a close match with my own. It's not too surprising though that the 35+ group is still overly concerned about it.
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pogo_rabid
11/05/18 10:49:11 AM
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Or how about...we try to elect the best candidate regardless of what diversity checkboxes they fill.
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Jiggy101011
11/05/18 10:49:38 AM
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NinjaWarrior455 posted...
Let's be real, it'll be a while before this country will elect a woman president.


This and I think Democrats are aware of this. I expect their nom for 2020 to be a white male in his 50s-60s, probably Biden.
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BLAKUboy
11/05/18 10:49:44 AM
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Warren was never getting the nom. It'd more likely be Harris or Beto.
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Tyranthraxus
11/05/18 10:50:10 AM
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I do not think any of those women expressed a desire to run for presidency. Elizabeth Warren is also really old. She will be older than Trump was when he ran in 2016 and Trump was already the oldest president ever elected.

I think it would be fucking hilarious to see the expression on Hillary's face if Michelle Obama won, though. I'd vote for her just for that lmao.
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crazygamer21
11/05/18 10:53:45 AM
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No geezers please. I would really prefer someone in their 40s or early 50s at most.
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scar the 1
11/05/18 10:54:32 AM
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Antifar posted...
scar the 1 posted...
I think Warren stepped in it with the DNA thing.

Setting aside what you make of her ancestry, the fact that she thought all that was a good idea doesn't bode well for her in a general election.

Furthermore, it's troubling that she just doesn't own up to what she did. It's not nearly as nebulous as Trumpians make it out to be, but putting herself as a minority to bolster the university's statistics isn't exactly good. She should be called out for that, and she should address it and accept the consequences for it.

Instead she chose to play along with Trump's stupid antics, which further demonstrates that she's willing to use the Native American identity to score political points.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
11/05/18 10:55:04 AM
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crazygamer21 posted...
No geezers please. I would really prefer someone in their 40s or early 50s at most.


Andrew Yang.
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creativerealms
11/05/18 10:55:36 AM
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Antifar posted...
scar the 1 posted...
I think Warren stepped in it with the DNA thing.

Setting aside what you make of her ancestry, the fact that she thought all that was a good idea doesn't bode well for her in a general election.

Here is a problem though. Democrats can't beat Trump at his own game. If they don't play they are cowards and they lose. But if they do play? He makes up the rules and they lose.
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creativerealms
11/05/18 10:57:00 AM
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BLAKUboy posted...
Warren was never getting the nom. It'd more likely be Harris or Beto.

Not Beto. If he beats Cruz he won't be president anytime soon.
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Doom_Art
11/05/18 10:58:43 AM
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Dunno who the nominee is gonna be tbh

I got a feeling it won't be her, though.

Ah well after tomorrow the Democratic primary starts so we'll get a better idea in the next several months
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Hawaiian_punch
11/05/18 11:00:17 AM
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Yes.

The GOP is pulling the Clinton strategy: smear and bully unit the target is unelectable.

The democrats should pretend that theyre running either Warren or gillbrand in order to have the GOP focus their smears and attacks on them and then run somebody else at the last minute
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Anteaterking
11/05/18 11:03:09 AM
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Balrog0
11/05/18 11:03:18 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
I do not think any of those women expressed a desire to run for presidency.


no, but the bottom 5 at least are all actively considering it (Oprah might be too)
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Darkman124
11/05/18 11:04:10 AM
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pogo_rabid posted...
Or how about...we try to elect the best candidate regardless of what diversity checkboxes they fill.


warren is the best candidate

but if she can't win, she can't win

much more important than getting the best candidate is winning the election
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VipaGTS
11/05/18 11:06:10 AM
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For the record, I'm not a fan of Warren being the democratic Nominee, I don't want her to be at all mostly because I just don't think she has what it takes to win.

But I feel like these poll numbers have more to do with a) Ignorance to what her policies may be (as i doubt anyone really knows much about her) and b) the fact that her name has primarily been in the media with regard to a childish controversy that saw the President and GOP attacking her with her doing very little "attacking" back.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
11/05/18 11:09:37 AM
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You mean to tell me a commie that wants to turn America into Venezuela and have our children starve polled worse than a centrist? Color me shocked.
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Letron_James
11/05/18 11:11:02 AM
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If beto can beat Cruz than i will definately see him running for president in 2020 with a female VP.
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Balrog0
11/05/18 11:11:13 AM
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
You mean to tell me a commie that wants to turn America into Venezuela and have our children starve polled worse than a centrist? Color me shocked.


nah Kamala did better than Hildawg
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Anteaterking
11/05/18 11:14:01 AM
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Letron_James posted...
If beto can beat Cruz than i will definately see him running for president in 2020 with a female VP.


I'm more worried about him losing but being touted as a presidential hopeful for the next two years.
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BLAKUboy
11/05/18 11:15:48 AM
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Letron_James posted...
If beto can beat Cruz than i will definately see him running for president in 2020 with a female VP.

The way he's running his campaign I can't see him not running in 2020 regardless of the outcome of this race. If this dude can energize Texas like he has, just think of what he can do on a national stage.
Even if he loses, it won't be by much which is fucking huge in Texas of all places. That would still be momentum. And if he wins, he's the Democrat that won fucking Texas, he'd be crazy not to run.
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Letron_James
11/05/18 11:16:40 AM
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Anteaterking posted...
Letron_James posted...
If beto can beat Cruz than i will definately see him running for president in 2020 with a female VP.


I'm more worried about him losing but being touted as a presidential hopeful for the next two years.


If he loses he still might get a vp nod just to bring in some texas votes in hopes of swaying the state for the election but that all depends on how badly he loses (if he does)
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Antifar
11/05/18 11:16:52 AM
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BLAKUboy posted...
Even if he loses, it won't be by much which is fucking huge in Texas of all places. That would still be momentum. And if he wins, he's the Democrat that won fucking Texas, he'd be crazy not to run.

And leave the Texas Senate seat open two years after winning it against a uniquely unlikable opponent? That's a bad tactical decision
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Balrog0
11/05/18 11:17:39 AM
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Beto would not run in 2020 and the reason why is the same reason he's making a run for it in Texas -- he is an intelligent, competent politician
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bobbysjoby
11/05/18 11:20:43 AM
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Trump is Warren's school yard bully, his best zingers come against her. And she gets rattled and ends up looking crazy every time, it would be a terrible idea to pit her against him lolol
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darkphoenix181
11/05/18 11:25:38 AM
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It is her turn
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Caution999
11/05/18 11:26:26 AM
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Please run Warren.

PLEASE
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FrisbeeDude
11/05/18 11:29:23 AM
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The idea that Warren is unelectable because of the Native American 'scandal' explains trump's election perfectly

This country is so fucking stupid...
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Balrog0
11/05/18 11:33:00 AM
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FrisbeeDude posted...
The idea that Warren is unelectable because of the Native American 'scandal' explains trump's election perfectly

This country is so fucking stupid...


I don't think it makes her unelectable in a general sense, but I think that @Antifar and @scar_the_1 are onto something with what it signals about her political acumen. I don't think she has the right stuff for the national stage
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Antifar
11/05/18 11:33:26 AM
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FrisbeeDude posted...
The idea that Warren is unelectable because of the Native American 'scandal' explains trump's election perfectly

Yeah, I don't think she's unelectable by any means; all she has to do is perform a fraction better than the candidate many people believe has hired hitmen.
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Alpha218
11/05/18 11:38:50 AM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Antifar posted...
scar the 1 posted...
I think Warren stepped in it with the DNA thing.

Setting aside what you make of her ancestry, the fact that she thought all that was a good idea doesn't bode well for her in a general election.


Yeah, releasing a fucking DNA test doesn't set a good precedent in any way. She is a fucking moron for doing that and not overtly throwing her hat into the race. Kills any enthusiasm. Yes it's early but meh.

She released her DNA test and he still hasnt released his tax returns.

Also polls 2 years out from a presidential race and right before a highly partisan midterm dont really show what would happen yet
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scar the 1
11/05/18 11:42:50 AM
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Alpha218 posted...
She released her DNA test and he still hasnt released his tax returns.

Yeah and that will literally deter zero Trump supporters, however it will deter potential Warren voters
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Tmaster148
11/05/18 11:44:31 AM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Warren has always been a polarizing politician, I love her as my senator but I cant see her energizing the general public in the way that Obama did. Not to mention how theres a subset of crazy ass Sanders supporters who took her lack of endorsement as a personal attack, and those motherfuckers love buying into and spreading conspiracy bullshit and accidentally contributing to Republican disinformation campaigns.


On this note. It always baffles me the amount of Bernie to Trump supporters exist.
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