Current Events > Trump's base is weird. They all hate immigrants and are terrified of Muslims.

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They all come frome places where they've never seen a Mexican and a Muslim blowing up their town wouldn't make the news.

Places that should worry about immigrants taking jobs and terrorism all hate Trump.
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They also believe conspiracies about government super weapons and think they can single-handedly fight off a tyrannical government with guns from their local K-mart. The fact is, they are hypocritical and purely driven by emotion, and their particular part of the party has been manipulating those emotions in order to achieve their objectives for years. Trump is just the end result of these specific Republicans learning about the existence of the internet.

Yeah, everyone I know who are terrified of foreigners are the most sheltered people imaginable
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ultimate reaver posted...

Yeah, everyone I know who are terrified of foreigners are the most sheltered people imaginable

You know a lot of people terrified of foreigners?
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I've lived in the southwest my whole life. Barely even traveled. Is there seriously a place left in America where Mexicans are that rare? My sense of it may be a bit skewed, given what I've always lived around. But I'm under the impression Hispanics are largely and rapidly taking over the demographics.

Its good to have illegal immigration because you can pay them minimum or below minimum wage and not have to give them any benefits.

Plus if they start complaining you can threaten to call law enforcement to come enforce the law and send them back.

This way prices of our goods & services remain low and the law-abiding business will have to lower their prices to compete.

#VoteDemocrat #NoWall #WelcomeCaravans
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fhqwhgads posted...

You know a lot of people terrified of foreigners?

One of my cousins frequently posts on Facebook to warn people if she sees someone who looks Muslim around town.
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How is that any different from feminists supporting Muslim immigration/Sharia law?
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Ultima Dragon posted...

How is that any different from feminists supporting Muslim immigration/Sharia law?

shhhhh, just shut up and hate trump!!
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Ultima Dragon posted...

How is that any different from feminists supporting Muslim immigration/Sharia law?

Trumpers afraid of immigrants exist.
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iPhone_7 posted...

Its good to have illegal immigration because you can pay them minimum or below minimum wage and not have to give them any benefits.

Plus if they start complaining you can threaten to call law enforcement to come enforce the law and send them back.

This way prices of our goods & services remain low and the law-abiding business will have to lower their prices to compete.

#VoteDemocrat #NoWall #WelcomeCaravans

Can't have a free market without the free movement of labor.

Ultima Dragon posted...

How is that any different from feminists supporting Muslim immigration/Sharia law?

Imagine thinking this is a thing.
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Ultima Dragon posted...

How is that any different from feminists supporting Muslim immigration/Sharia law?

Certain Trumpers are blindly fearful of illegal immigrants they've never had experiences with.
Certain SJWs blindly support open borders for illegal immigrants they've never had experiences with.

It's two sides of the same coin. For all the bluster coming from Conservatives such as Ben Shapiro and others of his ilk claiming they argue with facts over feelings, there is a sizable portion of them who are clouded by emotion just like SJWs. I say this as someone who is center-right and supports Trump.
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Suchomimus posted...

Ultima Dragon posted...

How is that any different from feminists supporting Muslim immigration/Sharia law?

Certain Trumpers are blindly fearful of illegal immigrants they've never had experiences with.
Certain SJWs blindly support open borders for illegal immigrants they've never had experiences with.

It's two sides of the same coin. For all the bluster coming from Conservatives such as Ben Shapiro and others of his ilk claiming they argue with facts over feelings, there is a sizable portion of them who are clouded by emotion just like SJWs. I say this as someone who is center-right and supports Trump.

But there can be no free market without the free movement of labor. Conservatives should be pro open borders.

Shapiro is a pos that does nothing but post "look at me own a waitress with my superior logics and facts because I'm smart and shit"
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Ultima Dragon posted...

How is that any different from feminists supporting Muslim immigration/Sharia law?

Show me feminists supporting sharia law.
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Lmao. Did you guys already forget about all those pussy-hat feminists who marched alongside Linda Sarsour at the Women's March in Washington? You do know who Linda Sarsour is and how she feels about sharia, right?
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I recall that she was accused of supporting sharia law with no evidence to back that up, yes. Her problems with Israel are a far better arguing point.
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Suchomimus posted...

Ultima Dragon posted...

How is that any different from feminists supporting Muslim immigration/Sharia law?

Certain Trumpers are blindly fearful of illegal immigrants they've never had experiences with.
Certain SJWs blindly support open borders for illegal immigrants they've never had experiences with.

It's two sides of the same coin. For all the bluster coming from Conservatives such as Ben Shapiro and others of his ilk claiming they argue with facts over feelings, there is a sizable portion of them who are clouded by emotion just like SJWs. I say this as someone who is center-right and supports Trump.

they are definitely NOT of the same coin. there are fundamental differences that are pretty clear as day, and you even named a couple yourself.

many on the Left are a complete stereotype, but at least it's with social justice in mind. even if it comes in the form of blind benevolence and/or misguided heroism.
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Also, the open borders thing is a fat lie. It's something the right kept on insisting about the left, but it was never actually a left thing. Even Obama didn't just leave borders open.
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Guide posted...

Also, the open borders thing is a fat lie. It's something the right kept on insisting about the left, but it was never actually a left thing. Even Obama didn't just leave borders open.

But the shiny picture box told me that they do!
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fhqwhgads posted...

ultimate reaver posted...

Yeah, everyone I know who are terrified of foreigners are the most sheltered people imaginable

You know a lot of people terrified of foreigners?

I live in the south, so yes
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Guide posted...

Also, the open borders thing is a fat lie. It's something the right kept on insisting about the left, but it was never actually
a left thing. Even Obama didn't just leave borders open.

Open borders should be a right thing as they claim to want small govenerment and a free market but as Trump supporters are actually just statists that are scared of brown people it doesn't work that way.
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because they watch fox news.

fox news is nothing but fear mongering and fake news propaganda.
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Guide posted...

Ultima Dragon posted...

How is that any different from feminists supporting Muslim immigration/Sharia law?

Show me feminists supporting sharia law.

This. Is this what Trump supporters do just pull blatant lies out of their ass?
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"Obama's base was weird. They all hate America and are terrified of Christians."

See how stupid that sounds? Because that's basically what you're doing.

Vertania posted...

"Obama's base was weird. They all hate America and are terrified of Christians."

See how stupid that sounds? Because that's basically what you're doing.

but this is demonstrably untrue (obama was one of the most christian presidents we have ever had) while trump and his base frequently talk about how we need to ban muslims (trump has already tried this) and mexicans ("illegal mexicans", but its pretty obvious that's not all they mean)

try an argument that isn't complete shit, thanks
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metralo posted...

but this is demonstrably untrue (obama was one of the most christian presidents we have ever had) while trump and his base frequently talk about how we need to ban muslims (trump has already tried this) and mexicans ("illegal mexicans", but its pretty obvious that's not all they mean)

try an argument that isn't complete shit, thanks

But there definitely were people who supported Obama who spread anti-American messages and were against religion/Christianity.

My point is that it's incredibly stupid to take what a portion of supporters believe and blanket it as if literally all of them believe it.

what i cant figure out is how he's achieved a state of being both the 'most powerful' and the 'most oppressed' in the eyes of his supporters.
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Vertania posted...

"Obama's base was weird. They all hate America and are terrified of Christians."

See how stupid that sounds? Because that's basically what you're doing.

You're right. I remember when Obama ran on a platform of building a wall to keep Americans out of America! And his supporters talked about invading American forces on their way to America and I think you're right one of his first acts as presidents was trying to ban Christi... I mean people from countries with Christians because they're all terrorists, except for you know the country that has actually attacked us in the past.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Vertania posted...

"Obama's base was weird. They all hate America and are terrified of Christians."

See how stupid that sounds? Because that's basically what you're doing.

You're right. I remember when Obama ran on a platform of building a wall to keep Americans out of America! And his supporters talked about invading American forces on their way to America and I think you're right one of his first acts as presidents was trying to ban Christi... I mean people from countries with Christians because they're all terrorists, except for you know the country that has actually attacked us in the past.

Vertania is the guy on CE who is into pizzagate and Seth Rich conspiracies. Really wouldn't bother with him.
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Ultima Dragon posted...

How is that any different from feminists supporting Muslim immigration/Sharia law?

Feminists support sharia law? This is truly breaking news.
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Vertania posted...

"Obama's base was weird. They all hate America and are terrified of Christians."

Obama sang Amazing fucking Grace at a church

Anyways, to the topic at hand, here's a great example:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/22/us/politics/republicans-race-divisions-elections-caravan.html

But Mr. Trumps dystopian imagery has clearly left an impression with some. Carol Shields, 75, a Republican in northern Minnesota, said she was afraid that migrant gangs could take over peoples summer lake homes in the state.

Whats to stop them? said Ms. Shields, a retired accountant. We have a lot of people who live on lakes in the summer and winter someplace else. When they come back in the spring, their house would be occupied.

These people have spent the past decade consuming a media diet where Fox News counts as moderate and their brains have rotted.
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Wait, huh? Most trump supporters are in the south, and the south is where illegal Mexicans come in. Texas, for instance, is full of trump supporters, and there's a huge illegal immigrant population there.
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monkmith posted...

what i cant figure out is how he's achieved a state of being both the 'most powerful' and the 'most oppressed' in the eyes of his supporters.

When I was a boy I was taught to think of Englishmen as the five-meal people. They ate more frequently than the poor but sober Italians. Jews are rich and help each other through a secret web of mutual assistance. However, the followers of Ur-Fascism must also be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak. Fascist governments are condemned to lose wars because they are constitutionally incapable of objectively evaluating the force of the enemy.

- Umberto Eco
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Thats just how it goes. Studies in European countries that have taken refugees also show that those who hate them tend to live in small towns where none are, and those who live in big cities with refugee populations tend to support them.

People are easier to hate and other if you dont interact with them
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Vertania posted...

metralo posted...

but this is demonstrably untrue (obama was one of the most christian presidents we have ever had) while trump and his base frequently talk about how we need to ban muslims (trump has already tried this) and mexicans ("illegal mexicans", but its pretty obvious that's not all they mean)

try an argument that isn't complete shit, thanks

But there definitely were people who supported Obama who spread anti-American messages and were against religion/Christianity.

My point is that it's incredibly stupid to take what a portion of supporters believe and blanket it as if literally all of them believe it.

then maybe they shouldn't elect a president who believes it
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Wait, are we talking about the former US President Obama or some other Obama? If it's the former, that Obama supported abortion and later in his career pushed for same-sex marriages. Those are not Christian stances at all, unless you're trying to distort the religion's views on two pretty big issues or you're including some odd exception to the rule denomination. I mean, even friggen Trump claims to be a Christian, if we're going by just what they said or because you heard someone sing in a church or whatever.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Obama supported abortion and later in his career pushed for same-sex marriages. Those are not Christian stances at all,

Somebody should inform most American Christians
https://www.prri.org/spotlight/religious-americans-same-sex-marriage-service-refusals/
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Wait, are we talking about the former US President Obama or some other Obama? If it's the former, that Obama supported abortion and later in his career pushed for same-sex marriages. Those are not Christian stances at all, unless you're trying to distort the religion's views on two pretty big issues or you're including some odd exception to the rule denomination. I mean, even friggen Trump claims to be a Christian, if we're going by just what they said or because you heard someone sing in a church or whatever.

Idk, I always thought Christians were all about the its not my place to judge you, its gods place to judge you

Isnt that a fundamental belief of Christianity?
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Not like Id know, I only used to be a devout Christian for more than half of my life
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Vertania posted...

"Obama's base was weird. They all hate America and are terrified of Christians."

See how stupid that sounds? Because that's basically what you're doing.

Obama's base was mostly Christians tho
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OBCD posted...

Is there seriously a place left in America where Mexicans are that rare?

Alaska

Irrational fear is just another DDIQ symptom
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They hate fundamental Muslims despite also being conservatives that want religion to influence law.
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OBCD posted...

I've lived in the southwest my whole life. Barely even traveled. Is there seriously a place left in America where Mexicans are that rare? My sense of it may be a bit skewed, given what I've always lived around. But I'm under the impression Hispanics are largely and rapidly taking over the demographics.

Your impression would be horribly wrong. There's plenty of areas throughout the country that are still majority white, or at minimum, single digit percentage of Hispanics. Basically pick any area throughout the country north of, say, the states that border Mexico and go outside of any major city.

Your sense is completely skewed
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Dash_Harber posted...

They also believe conspiracies about government super weapons and think they can single-handedly fight off a tyrannical government with guns from their local K-mart.

This probably sounded clever in your head, but K-mart has never sold guns. You also don't seem to understand that the US military, despite its might, has had trouble with guerrilla warfare in the middle east for 17+ years now.
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hockeybub89 posted...

They hate fundamental Muslims despite also being conservatives that want religion to influence law.

they want THEIR religion to influence laws, not a foreign one. it's been like that for all human history. in the crusades, you had super zealus muslims fighting super zealus christians. both sides were very religious, but it was a different religion so they argued and fought

Zikten posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

They hate fundamental Muslims despite also being conservatives that want religion to influence law.

they want THEIR religion to influence laws, not a foreign one. it's been like that for all human history. in the crusades, you had super zealus muslims fighting super zealus christians. both sides were very religious, but it was a different religion so they argued and fought

Islam is not a foreign religion and the US is not a Christian country
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Pepys Monster posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

They also believe conspiracies about government super weapons and think they can single-handedly fight off a tyrannical government with guns from their local K-mart.

This probably sounded clever in your head, but K-mart has never sold guns. You also don't seem to understand that the US military, despite its might, has had trouble with guerrilla warfare in the middle east for 17+ years now.

There's a bit of a difference between guerrilla warfare on the other side of the globe in treacherous conditions and in an impoverished region compared to it happening in the US.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Pepys Monster posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

They also believe conspiracies about government super weapons and think they can single-handedly fight off a tyrannical government with guns from their local K-mart.

This probably sounded clever in your head, but K-mart has never sold guns. You also don't seem to understand that the US military, despite its might, has had trouble with guerrilla warfare in the middle east for 17+ years now.

There's a bit of a difference between guerrilla warfare on the other side of the globe in treacherous conditions and in an impoverished region compared to it happening in the US.

Do you want to explain what you're trying to get at?
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