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ModLogic
10/26/18 3:43:47 PM
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darkphoenix181
10/26/18 3:48:43 PM
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If only he had known anime. I bet he would changed his mind.
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CoolMaskGuy
10/26/18 3:48:53 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
If only he had known anime. I bet he would changed his mind.
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josifrees
10/26/18 3:49:15 PM
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The usage of both of them was wrong.
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Doom_Art
10/26/18 3:52:32 PM
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josifrees posted...
The usage of both of them was wrong.

Ehhh the use of the first one was preferable to an invasion of the Japanese mainland and a long drawn out war in Manchuria between China, Japan, the Soviets, and presumably the Allies

Argue whether the second bomb was necessary if you want, but the first was the right call IMO
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ProudlyHated74
10/26/18 3:53:10 PM
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josifrees posted...
The usage of both of them was wrong.


So sending in Americans to invade Japan would have been the right thing to do? Id be willing to bet more Japanese lives were saved by using the bombs than if we hadnt.
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Zikten
10/26/18 3:54:47 PM
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depends on what god. the Japanese have like a milion native gods that would stand up for them
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Veggeta X
10/26/18 3:55:26 PM
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CoolMaskGuy posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
If only he had known hentai. I bet he would changed his mind.

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josifrees
10/26/18 3:58:55 PM
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Japan still being resistant is a lie to justify the mass murder. They were ready to surrender to the US to avoid Russian brutality. Truman only dropped them to send a message to the Russians and set off the Cold War/MIC
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Anarchy_Juiblex
10/26/18 4:00:16 PM
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Zikten posted...
Japanese have like a milion native gods that would stand up for them


Yet they couldn't stop 36 kilotons of American fury.
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Doe
10/26/18 4:00:54 PM
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The use of the bombs was basically pre supposed. It was a massively expensive secret project that would've been used against Germany as well, and had it not been used it would've become the most scandalous and most heavily investigated redirection and waste of government funding ever.

Radiation's effect wasn't fully understood, and we were already firebombing the shit out of them. The nukes really weren't some sort of moral event horizon relative to the rest of the war. The entire war was awful, everywhere.
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Zikten
10/26/18 4:01:19 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Zikten posted...
Japanese have like a milion native gods that would stand up for them


Yet they couldn't stop 36 kilotons of American fury.

imagine how the world would change if some Japanese diety appeared when the nuke was dropped and stopped it. like caught it or deflected it with a divine sword strike or something. all of human society would be shocked
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Doom_Art
10/26/18 4:01:42 PM
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josifrees posted...
Japan still being resistant is a lie to justify the mass murder. They were ready to surrender to the US to avoid Russian brutality. Truman only dropped them to send a message to the Russians and set off the Cold War/MIC

Russia invaded Manchuria after the first bomb was dropped. Prior to that the Japanese government was still pretty obstinate about continuing the war.

Then when the first bomb was dropped and the Russians invaded, that's when the Emperor and certain elements in his government were like "Okay that's pretty nuts"
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Doom_Art
10/26/18 4:02:32 PM
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I will agree the second bomb was partially to send a message to Russia
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ThePrinceFish
10/26/18 4:03:00 PM
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josifrees posted...
Japan still being resistant is a lie to justify the mass murder. They were ready to surrender to the US to avoid Russian brutality. Truman only dropped them to send a message to the Russians and set off the Cold War/MIC

Weird that the Japanese responded to the Potsdam Declaration with formal silence and had to put down an attempted coup when they finally did surrender if they were so willing to end the war before they were nuked.
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josifrees
10/26/18 4:05:00 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
josifrees posted...
Japan still being resistant is a lie to justify the mass murder. They were ready to surrender to the US to avoid Russian brutality. Truman only dropped them to send a message to the Russians and set off the Cold War/MIC

Weird that the Japanese responded to the Potsdam Declaration with formal silence and had to put down an attempted coup when they finally did surrender if they were so willing to end the war before they were nuked.


Weird that the coup didnt succeed since you say it was so popular.
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ThePrinceFish
10/26/18 4:06:35 PM
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josifrees posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
josifrees posted...
Japan still being resistant is a lie to justify the mass murder. They were ready to surrender to the US to avoid Russian brutality. Truman only dropped them to send a message to the Russians and set off the Cold War/MIC

Weird that the Japanese responded to the Potsdam Declaration with formal silence and had to put down an attempted coup when they finally did surrender if they were so willing to end the war before they were nuked.


Weird that the coup didnt succeed since you say it was so popular.

The coup was attempted after the soul crushing display of destruction.

And it's hilarious that you didn't even mention them responding to "surrender or be destroyed" with "lalala we can't hear you"
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Kim Kusanagi
10/26/18 4:08:57 PM
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Zikten posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Zikten posted...
Japanese have like a milion native gods that would stand up for them


Yet they couldn't stop 36 kilotons of American fury.

imagine how the world would change if some Japanese diety appeared when the nuke was dropped and stopped it. like caught it or deflected it with a divine sword strike or something. all of human society would be shocked


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Anarchy_Juiblex
10/26/18 4:09:44 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
josifrees posted...
Japan still being resistant is a lie to justify the mass murder. They were ready to surrender to the US to avoid Russian brutality. Truman only dropped them to send a message to the Russians and set off the Cold War/MIC

Weird that the Japanese responded to the Potsdam Declaration with formal silence and had to put down an attempted coup when they finally did surrender if they were so willing to end the war before they were nuked.


Not weird, josifrees just fell for all the ignorant lies coming from leftist "fuck america always" chomsky talking points.

This is probably the most frustrating perennial online debate. The ignorance around the development and stewardship of the bomb, WW2 in general, military strategy of the time, and Japanese leadership, is just depressing.
Before engaging in this debate, ask them;

Who led Germany in WW2? Hitler.
Russia? Stalin.
Japan? *crickets*

It doesn't really mean anything, it's a gotcha point, and people can just look it up online, but IRL if you hear Hirohito or even Tojo, you just found a unicorn.
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scar the 1
10/26/18 4:09:49 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
josifrees posted...
Japan still being resistant is a lie to justify the mass murder. They were ready to surrender to the US to avoid Russian brutality. Truman only dropped them to send a message to the Russians and set off the Cold War/MIC

Russia invaded Manchuria after the first bomb was dropped. Prior to that the Japanese government was still pretty obstinate about continuing the war.

Then when the first bomb was dropped and the Russians invaded, that's when the Emperor and certain elements in his government were like "Okay that's pretty nuts"

I thought Soviet were planning that invasion anyway? There were definitely hints from Truman towards Stalin to "keep his eyes open" before the first bomb.
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josifrees
10/26/18 4:10:26 PM
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Silence is not necessarily ignoring
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LethalAffinity
10/26/18 4:10:43 PM
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So don't drop the bombs and proceed with a mainland invasion of Japan? Citizens were beginning to arm themselves. TC's post is probably bait but how is that scenario any better in the long run?
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC
10/26/18 4:13:32 PM
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josifrees posted...
Japan still being resistant is a lie to justify the mass murder. They were ready to surrender to the US to avoid Russian brutality. Truman only dropped them to send a message to the Russians and set off the Cold War/MIC

No, Hirohito and Togo were ready to surrender. Some in the high command were ready to overthrow Hirohito and continue the war until Japan was reduced to a wasteland.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2005/08/12/national/history/generals-foiled-aug-15-palace-coup/
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Doom_Art
10/26/18 4:17:09 PM
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scar the 1 posted...
I thought Soviet were planning that invasion anyway?

IIRC it was originally kinda decided at Yalta. When the Allies decided to focus their efforts on Europe first and Japan later, the idea was that Russia would join the fight against Japan within a few months of the end of the war in Europe.

It happened to fall between the bombings, but they'd been planning it for a few years, yeah. The timing was a bit of a coincidence and just lined up that way.
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Funkydog
10/26/18 4:18:13 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
If only he had known anime. I bet he would changed his mind.

Or dropped a third bomb
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ImTheMacheteGuy
10/26/18 4:24:30 PM
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The topic creator is cleverly stating that all presidents who have had last names starting with "Trum" are racists.
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Firewerx
10/26/18 4:29:12 PM
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Funkydog posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
If only he had known anime. I bet he would changed his mind.

Or dropped a third bomb


What would have happened if the second bomb hadn't forced an immediate surrender? Was a third bomb ready or in development?
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Doom_Art
10/26/18 4:31:05 PM
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Firewerx posted...
What would have happened if the second bomb hadn't forced an immediate surrender? Was a third bomb ready or in development?

IIRC they only had two (well three but they used one as a test)

They'd have had to have waited another several months for more to be ready
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darkphoenix181
10/26/18 4:34:46 PM
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Firewerx posted...
Funkydog posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
If only he had known anime. I bet he would changed his mind.

Or dropped a third bomb


What would have happened if the second bomb hadn't forced an immediate surrender? Was a third bomb ready or in development?


Then a lone samurai would have come from the wilderness and made the world kneel before the emperror.

But they surrendered before this samurai made it to the capital.
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josifrees
10/26/18 5:48:49 PM
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
josifrees posted...
Japan still being resistant is a lie to justify the mass murder. They were ready to surrender to the US to avoid Russian brutality. Truman only dropped them to send a message to the Russians and set off the Cold War/MIC

No, Hirohito and Togo were ready to surrender. Some in the high command were ready to overthrow Hirohito and continue the war until Japan was reduced to a wasteland.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2005/08/12/national/history/generals-foiled-aug-15-palace-coup/


So the guy that the population thought was a god and were willing to do anything for wanted peace. Sounds like anything but no to me. Some in high command are meaningless
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vocedelmorte
10/26/18 5:53:01 PM
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They were ready to surrender to the US to avoid Russian brutality.

LOL
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FairyLeviathan
10/26/18 5:53:44 PM
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Since when is Japanese a race
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC
10/26/18 6:16:32 PM
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josifrees posted...
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
josifrees posted...
Japan still being resistant is a lie to justify the mass murder. They were ready to surrender to the US to avoid Russian brutality. Truman only dropped them to send a message to the Russians and set off the Cold War/MIC

No, Hirohito and Togo were ready to surrender. Some in the high command were ready to overthrow Hirohito and continue the war until Japan was reduced to a wasteland.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2005/08/12/national/history/generals-foiled-aug-15-palace-coup/


So the guy that the population thought was a god and were willing to do anything for wanted peace. Sounds like anything but no to me. Some in high command are meaningless

Did you actually READ the article? If the plan had worked, no one would have known Hirohito favored peace. The Japanese public had continually been told - and most still believed - that they were winning the war. They had no understanding of what had happened to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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ModLogic
10/26/18 6:40:25 PM
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Firewerx posted...
Funkydog posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
If only he had known anime. I bet he would changed his mind.

Or dropped a third bomb


What would have happened if the second bomb hadn't forced an immediate surrender? Was a third bomb ready or in development?

*murica drops bomb 1*
murica: dude... surrender
japan: k, but what you gon do wif our king?
murica: dude..... surrender.....
japan: first tell us what you plan for our king...
murica: surrender....
other countries: fucking tell them what you gon do with their king
murica: fucking surrender or not?!?
murica: fuck em drop second bomb
*murica drops second bomb*
japan:.....
murica: oh btw you can keep your king
japan: ffffffffffff
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PrettyBoyFloyd
10/26/18 7:00:24 PM
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josifrees posted...
Japan still being resistant is a lie to justify the mass murder. They were ready to surrender to the US to avoid Russian brutality. Truman only dropped them to send a message to the Russians and set off the Cold War/MIC

Thought it was like 1949 when the Soviets exposed theirs ?

Anyway it's not like others would have eventually came up with one.

We just made a functioning one first.
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