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ModLogic 10/26/18 3:43:47 PM #1: |
https://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/trumanpapers/fbpa/index.php?documentid=HST-FBP_1-21_01&documentVersion=both
the usage of the second bomb wasn't racially motivated america says? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkphoenix181 10/26/18 3:48:43 PM #2: |
If only he had known anime. I bet he would changed his mind.
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CoolMaskGuy 10/26/18 3:48:53 PM #3: |
darkphoenix181 posted...
If only he had known anime. I bet he would changed his mind. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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josifrees 10/26/18 3:49:15 PM #4: |
The usage of both of them was wrong.
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Doom_Art 10/26/18 3:52:32 PM #5: |
josifrees posted...
The usage of both of them was wrong. Ehhh the use of the first one was preferable to an invasion of the Japanese mainland and a long drawn out war in Manchuria between China, Japan, the Soviets, and presumably the Allies Argue whether the second bomb was necessary if you want, but the first was the right call IMO --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ProudlyHated74 10/26/18 3:53:10 PM #6: |
josifrees posted...
The usage of both of them was wrong. So sending in Americans to invade Japan would have been the right thing to do? Id be willing to bet more Japanese lives were saved by using the bombs than if we hadnt. --- GT: Astral Ocean V ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 10/26/18 3:54:47 PM #7: |
depends on what god. the Japanese have like a milion native gods that would stand up for them
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Veggeta X 10/26/18 3:55:26 PM #8: |
CoolMaskGuy posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...If only he had known hentai. I bet he would changed his mind. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Capcom Defense Force ... Copied to Clipboard!
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josifrees 10/26/18 3:58:55 PM #9: |
Japan still being resistant is a lie to justify the mass murder. They were ready to surrender to the US to avoid Russian brutality. Truman only dropped them to send a message to the Russians and set off the Cold War/MIC
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Anarchy_Juiblex 10/26/18 4:00:16 PM #10: |
Zikten posted...
Japanese have like a milion native gods that would stand up for them Yet they couldn't stop 36 kilotons of American fury. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doe 10/26/18 4:00:54 PM #11: |
The use of the bombs was basically pre supposed. It was a massively expensive secret project that would've been used against Germany as well, and had it not been used it would've become the most scandalous and most heavily investigated redirection and waste of government funding ever.
Radiation's effect wasn't fully understood, and we were already firebombing the shit out of them. The nukes really weren't some sort of moral event horizon relative to the rest of the war. The entire war was awful, everywhere. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 10/26/18 4:01:19 PM #12: |
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Zikten posted...Japanese have like a milion native gods that would stand up for them imagine how the world would change if some Japanese diety appeared when the nuke was dropped and stopped it. like caught it or deflected it with a divine sword strike or something. all of human society would be shocked ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 10/26/18 4:01:42 PM #13: |
josifrees posted...
Japan still being resistant is a lie to justify the mass murder. They were ready to surrender to the US to avoid Russian brutality. Truman only dropped them to send a message to the Russians and set off the Cold War/MIC Russia invaded Manchuria after the first bomb was dropped. Prior to that the Japanese government was still pretty obstinate about continuing the war. Then when the first bomb was dropped and the Russians invaded, that's when the Emperor and certain elements in his government were like "Okay that's pretty nuts" --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 10/26/18 4:02:32 PM #14: |
I will agree the second bomb was partially to send a message to Russia
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ThePrinceFish 10/26/18 4:03:00 PM #15: |
josifrees posted...
Japan still being resistant is a lie to justify the mass murder. They were ready to surrender to the US to avoid Russian brutality. Truman only dropped them to send a message to the Russians and set off the Cold War/MIC Weird that the Japanese responded to the Potsdam Declaration with formal silence and had to put down an attempted coup when they finally did surrender if they were so willing to end the war before they were nuked. --- Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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josifrees 10/26/18 4:05:00 PM #16: |
ThePrinceFish posted...
josifrees posted...Japan still being resistant is a lie to justify the mass murder. They were ready to surrender to the US to avoid Russian brutality. Truman only dropped them to send a message to the Russians and set off the Cold War/MIC Weird that the coup didnt succeed since you say it was so popular. --- Quit Crying ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThePrinceFish 10/26/18 4:06:35 PM #17: |
josifrees posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...josifrees posted...Japan still being resistant is a lie to justify the mass murder. They were ready to surrender to the US to avoid Russian brutality. Truman only dropped them to send a message to the Russians and set off the Cold War/MIC The coup was attempted after the soul crushing display of destruction. And it's hilarious that you didn't even mention them responding to "surrender or be destroyed" with "lalala we can't hear you" --- Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kim Kusanagi 10/26/18 4:08:57 PM #18: |
Zikten posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...Zikten posted...Japanese have like a milion native gods that would stand up for them RASENGAN --- Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting. Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anarchy_Juiblex 10/26/18 4:09:44 PM #19: |
ThePrinceFish posted...
josifrees posted...Japan still being resistant is a lie to justify the mass murder. They were ready to surrender to the US to avoid Russian brutality. Truman only dropped them to send a message to the Russians and set off the Cold War/MIC Not weird, josifrees just fell for all the ignorant lies coming from leftist "fuck america always" chomsky talking points. This is probably the most frustrating perennial online debate. The ignorance around the development and stewardship of the bomb, WW2 in general, military strategy of the time, and Japanese leadership, is just depressing. Before engaging in this debate, ask them; Who led Germany in WW2? Hitler. Russia? Stalin. Japan? *crickets* It doesn't really mean anything, it's a gotcha point, and people can just look it up online, but IRL if you hear Hirohito or even Tojo, you just found a unicorn. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scar the 1 10/26/18 4:09:49 PM #20: |
Doom_Art posted...
josifrees posted...Japan still being resistant is a lie to justify the mass murder. They were ready to surrender to the US to avoid Russian brutality. Truman only dropped them to send a message to the Russians and set off the Cold War/MIC I thought Soviet were planning that invasion anyway? There were definitely hints from Truman towards Stalin to "keep his eyes open" before the first bomb. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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josifrees 10/26/18 4:10:26 PM #21: |
Silence is not necessarily ignoring
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LethalAffinity 10/26/18 4:10:43 PM #22: |
So don't drop the bombs and proceed with a mainland invasion of Japan? Citizens were beginning to arm themselves. TC's post is probably bait but how is that scenario any better in the long run?
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC 10/26/18 4:13:32 PM #23: |
josifrees posted...
Japan still being resistant is a lie to justify the mass murder. They were ready to surrender to the US to avoid Russian brutality. Truman only dropped them to send a message to the Russians and set off the Cold War/MIC No, Hirohito and Togo were ready to surrender. Some in the high command were ready to overthrow Hirohito and continue the war until Japan was reduced to a wasteland. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2005/08/12/national/history/generals-foiled-aug-15-palace-coup/ --- "They come in the night to smell your daughter's periods so that they can sparkle in the day." -- Kradek ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 10/26/18 4:17:09 PM #24: |
scar the 1 posted...
I thought Soviet were planning that invasion anyway? IIRC it was originally kinda decided at Yalta. When the Allies decided to focus their efforts on Europe first and Japan later, the idea was that Russia would join the fight against Japan within a few months of the end of the war in Europe. It happened to fall between the bombings, but they'd been planning it for a few years, yeah. The timing was a bit of a coincidence and just lined up that way. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Funkydog 10/26/18 4:18:13 PM #25: |
darkphoenix181 posted...
If only he had known anime. I bet he would changed his mind. Or dropped a third bomb --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 10/26/18 4:24:30 PM #26: |
The topic creator is cleverly stating that all presidents who have had last names starting with "Trum" are racists.
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Firewerx 10/26/18 4:29:12 PM #27: |
Funkydog posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...If only he had known anime. I bet he would changed his mind. What would have happened if the second bomb hadn't forced an immediate surrender? Was a third bomb ready or in development? --- texty bastard ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 10/26/18 4:31:05 PM #28: |
Firewerx posted...
What would have happened if the second bomb hadn't forced an immediate surrender? Was a third bomb ready or in development? IIRC they only had two (well three but they used one as a test) They'd have had to have waited another several months for more to be ready --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkphoenix181 10/26/18 4:34:46 PM #29: |
Firewerx posted...
Funkydog posted...darkphoenix181 posted...If only he had known anime. I bet he would changed his mind. Then a lone samurai would have come from the wilderness and made the world kneel before the emperror. But they surrendered before this samurai made it to the capital. --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful ... Copied to Clipboard!
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josifrees 10/26/18 5:48:49 PM #30: |
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
josifrees posted...Japan still being resistant is a lie to justify the mass murder. They were ready to surrender to the US to avoid Russian brutality. Truman only dropped them to send a message to the Russians and set off the Cold War/MIC So the guy that the population thought was a god and were willing to do anything for wanted peace. Sounds like anything but no to me. Some in high command are meaningless --- Quit Crying ... Copied to Clipboard!
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vocedelmorte 10/26/18 5:53:01 PM #31: |
They were ready to surrender to the US to avoid Russian brutality. LOL ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FairyLeviathan 10/26/18 5:53:44 PM #32: |
Since when is Japanese a race
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC 10/26/18 6:16:32 PM #33: |
josifrees posted...
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...josifrees posted...Japan still being resistant is a lie to justify the mass murder. They were ready to surrender to the US to avoid Russian brutality. Truman only dropped them to send a message to the Russians and set off the Cold War/MIC Did you actually READ the article? If the plan had worked, no one would have known Hirohito favored peace. The Japanese public had continually been told - and most still believed - that they were winning the war. They had no understanding of what had happened to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. --- "They come in the night to smell your daughter's periods so that they can sparkle in the day." -- Kradek ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ModLogic 10/26/18 6:40:25 PM #34: |
Firewerx posted...
Funkydog posted...darkphoenix181 posted...If only he had known anime. I bet he would changed his mind. *murica drops bomb 1* murica: dude... surrender japan: k, but what you gon do wif our king? murica: dude..... surrender..... japan: first tell us what you plan for our king... murica: surrender.... other countries: fucking tell them what you gon do with their king murica: fucking surrender or not?!? murica: fuck em drop second bomb *murica drops second bomb* japan:..... murica: oh btw you can keep your king japan: ffffffffffff --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PrettyBoyFloyd 10/26/18 7:00:24 PM #35: |
josifrees posted...
Japan still being resistant is a lie to justify the mass murder. They were ready to surrender to the US to avoid Russian brutality. Truman only dropped them to send a message to the Russians and set off the Cold War/MIC Thought it was like 1949 when the Soviets exposed theirs ? Anyway it's not like others would have eventually came up with one. We just made a functioning one first. --- The Evil Republicans - Est.2004 - WoT [Government Destabilizing Branch] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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