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Jorep
10/25/18 5:41:47 PM
#151:


Menardii posted...
Jorep posted...
I was incorrect in that, as the last time I really tried to use Wikipedia as a source that was the case. It's changed since then, it seems, and that makes it even less credible.

I would never, in any academic setting, attempt to reference Wikipedia.

Of fucking course you wouldn't in an academic setting. Here it's informal so it's ok, but if you're being this petty about it, there was a source from a news site which stated the same thing that Wikipedia said.


Why not use that news site then?

It's pretty tough to parse through fake news in hot button political issues. A lot of organizations still cite the southern poverty law center even though they've been outed as an extremist group pushing a false narrative
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ImTheMacheteGuy
10/25/18 5:42:01 PM
#152:


Jorep posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Jorep posted...
mario2000 posted...
Jorep posted...
AABLMD82 posted...
From Wikipedia:

Proud Boys is a far-right organization that admits only men as members and promotes political violence

Gee, sure sounds like a terrorist group to me


You should know better than to use Wikipedia as a source.
Didn't you go to school?

"waaah don't use sources that refute me"


Wikipedia isn't a source. It's a site that literally anyone can edit.
If 5 minutes from now I go in and change the Proud Boys page to say "The Proud Boys are a group of ice cream salesmen from Montana," and that's reflected on the site, are you going to use that as evidence?


I just tried to do this. It wouldn't let me. It says "this page is currently semi-protected so that only established registered users can edit it." Doesn't look like it would be that difficult to reach that status, but still, what you posted is not 100% factual, as the page is not set to anyone can edit status.


That just makes Wikipedia even less credible.
It's an opinion based blog that only chosen members can edit?


So... anyone can edit = no credibility. Some can edit = less credibility than that. What does a source have to do to have credibility to you? Any news outlet on either side will also have only select people who can write and edit articles. Machete Awesome News Service must be the most credible source because literally no one can edit it, not even me... because it doesn't exist.
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Unimpressed
10/25/18 5:43:03 PM
#153:


SuperShake666 posted...
Aren't the Proud Boys just a 2018 version of skinheads?

Yes. They also hate gay people
Menardii posted...
Jorep posted...
I was incorrect in that, as the last time I really tried to use Wikipedia as a source that was the case. It's changed since then, it seems, and that makes it even less credible.

I would never, in any academic setting, attempt to reference Wikipedia.

Of fucking course you wouldn't in an academic setting. Here it's informal so it's ok, but if you're being this petty about it, there was a source from a news site which stated the same thing that Wikipedia said.

Exactly, lmao. Not like anyone would use his source from the OP in an academic setting either. They'd be laughed out of class
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Menardii
10/25/18 5:43:17 PM
#154:


I'd take Machete Awesome News Service over ChannelJorep lmao
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mario2000
10/25/18 5:43:18 PM
#155:


Jorep posted...
Menardii posted...
Jorep posted...
I was incorrect in that, as the last time I really tried to use Wikipedia as a source that was the case. It's changed since then, it seems, and that makes it even less credible.

I would never, in any academic setting, attempt to reference Wikipedia.

Of fucking course you wouldn't in an academic setting. Here it's informal so it's ok, but if you're being this petty about it, there was a source from a news site which stated the same thing that Wikipedia said.


Why not use that news site then?

It's pretty tough to parse through fake news in hot button political issues. A lot of organizations still cite the southern poverty law center even though they've been outed as an extremist group pushing a false narrative

It's actually pretty damn easy if you have eyes and at least a 4th grade level reading comprehension. Also source on Southern Poverty Law Center supposedly being "outed as an extremist group"?
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Jorep
10/25/18 5:44:18 PM
#156:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Jorep posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Jorep posted...
mario2000 posted...
Jorep posted...
AABLMD82 posted...
From Wikipedia:

Proud Boys is a far-right organization that admits only men as members and promotes political violence

Gee, sure sounds like a terrorist group to me


You should know better than to use Wikipedia as a source.
Didn't you go to school?

"waaah don't use sources that refute me"


Wikipedia isn't a source. It's a site that literally anyone can edit.
If 5 minutes from now I go in and change the Proud Boys page to say "The Proud Boys are a group of ice cream salesmen from Montana," and that's reflected on the site, are you going to use that as evidence?


I just tried to do this. It wouldn't let me. It says "this page is currently semi-protected so that only established registered users can edit it." Doesn't look like it would be that difficult to reach that status, but still, what you posted is not 100% factual, as the page is not set to anyone can edit status.


That just makes Wikipedia even less credible.
It's an opinion based blog that only chosen members can edit?


So... anyone can edit = no credibility. Some can edit = less credibility than that. What does a source have to do to have credibility to you? Any news outlet on either side will also have only select people who can write and edit articles. Machete Awesome News Service must be the most credible source because literally no one can edit it, not even me... because it doesn't exist.


That's a difficult question to answer without really digging down , and even agencies like CNN have plenty of terrible writers and editors.
We'd have to really get into the weeds to discuss that one, but as most hot button political topics on Wikipedia are moderated by laymen with a biased motive, that destroys a level of credibility. Just look at all the false information posted in this topic alone.
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eggcorn
10/25/18 5:44:27 PM
#157:


SuperShake666 posted...
Aren't the Proud Boys just a 2018 version of skinheads?

kfkCWeM
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Unimpressed
10/25/18 5:44:35 PM
#158:


Summary of this topic and TCs entire mindset

gxbHiJO
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Menardii
10/25/18 5:45:07 PM
#159:


They look like racist frat boys
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Jorep
10/25/18 5:46:03 PM
#160:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-southern-poverty-law-center-has-lost-all-

credibility/2018/06/21/22ab7d60-756d-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html?utm_term=.a61583eeb978

Link was too long for gamefaqs and I'm on mobile so it'll need to be connected
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Unimpressed
10/25/18 5:46:25 PM
#161:


Menardii posted...
They ARE racist, homophobic frat boys

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mario2000
10/25/18 5:46:51 PM
#162:


I thought conservatives hated Washington Post.

Also you do know what opinion pieces are, right? Like, they don't count as news, you do know that, right?
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Unimpressed
10/25/18 5:47:39 PM
#163:


Jorep posted...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-southern-poverty-law-center-has-lost-all-

credibility/2018/06/21/22ab7d60-756d-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html?utm_term=.a61583eeb978

Link was too long for gamefaqs and I'm on mobile so it'll need to be connected

You've been whining about Wikipedia and you post an OP-ED to prove a point? Lmao, you must be a caricature, no one is this oblivious
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Jorep
10/25/18 5:48:17 PM
#164:


mario2000 posted...
I thought conservatives hated Washington Post.


I can't speak for anyone else, but I generally enjoy the washington post.

I try to read every major outlet including Vox and Huffpo to see their side of the stories.
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Jorep
10/25/18 5:49:42 PM
#165:


That oped provides a good summary of factual information that's condensed well.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
10/25/18 5:50:45 PM
#166:


Jorep posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
Jorep posted...
Unimpressed posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
Jorep posted...
That just makes Wikipedia even less credible.
It's an opinion based blog that only chosen members can edit?


You're really reaching for the goalpost aren't ya?

He IS a Trump apologist, goes without saying


If there's incorrect information on a non-credible website that only chosen moderators can edit, it's definitely not credible.

Are they accepting Wikipedia as a source on your dissertation yet?


But your claim was that anyone can get on there and edit it.


I was incorrect in that, as the last time I really tried to use Wikipedia as a source that was the case. It's changed since then, it seems, and that makes it even less credible.

I would never, in any academic setting, attempt to reference Wikipedia.


All of this "academic setting," and "college educated..." and "dissertation" talk is making you sound very elitist, and while I don't appreciate the condescension I'm seeing, I'll let it go because people are going at you pretty hard, so I would expect to see that sort of thing in return.
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mario2000
10/25/18 5:51:00 PM
#167:


Generally when you're trying to prove something, you post the factual information and not an opinion piece about the factual information.
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spudger
10/25/18 5:51:18 PM
#168:


Jorep posted...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-southern-poverty-law-center-has-lost-all-

credibility/2018/06/21/22ab7d60-756d-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html?utm_term=.a61583eeb978

Link was too long for gamefaqs and I'm on mobile so it'll need to be connected

opinion pieces are fact now?...
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Jorep
10/25/18 5:53:28 PM
#169:


No worries, macheteguy. It's a shame to see my topic co-opted by people who just want to start a fight, but I always respect your position, if not that of some of the more disingenuous people in here posting falsehoods.
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Menardii
10/25/18 5:54:24 PM
#170:


"I posted dumb shit and people are calling me dumb. I don't get it?"

-Jorep 2018
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ImTheMacheteGuy
10/25/18 5:54:49 PM
#171:


Menardii posted...
I'd take Machete Awesome News Service over ChannelJorep lmao


#MANS

>_>
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mario2000
10/25/18 5:55:02 PM
#172:


Jorep posted...
No worries, macheteguy. It's a shame to see my topic co-opted by people who just want to start a fight, but I always respect your position, if not that of some of the more disingenuous people in here posting falsehoods.

Sorry if you thought you could get away with posting your disingenuous bullshit and blatant lies here too.
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Bloodychess
10/25/18 5:55:45 PM
#173:


Y'all really gonna give him a 500 topic lol
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FrisbeeDude
10/25/18 5:56:07 PM
#174:


marked.
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mario2000
10/25/18 5:56:13 PM
#175:


imagine caring about arbitrary topic limits on dead blue websights
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Menardii
10/25/18 5:56:37 PM
#176:


Bloodychess posted...
Y'all really gonna give him a 500 topic lol

Nah it'll get deleted somewhere between 250 and 300.
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spudger
10/25/18 5:57:38 PM
#177:


Menardii posted...
Bloodychess posted...
Y'all really gonna give him a 500 topic lol

Nah it'll get deleted somewhere between 250 and 300.

this

wait til the evening shitposts
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P4wn4g3
10/25/18 5:59:02 PM
#178:


This topic is hilarious
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DezDroppedFreak
10/25/18 6:00:22 PM
#179:


Menardii posted...
"I posted dumb shit and people are calling me dumb. I don't get it?"

-Jorep 2018

This lmao

Get help dude
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Bluebomber182
10/25/18 6:00:33 PM
#180:


i dun goofed and watched this guys youtube vids. hes a total partisan hack that shits on antifa but turns a blind eye to the violence from proud boys & the alt right
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Unimpressed
10/25/18 6:01:38 PM
#181:


Bluebomber182 posted...
i dun goofed and watched this guys youtube vids. hes a total partisan hack that shits on antifa but turns a blind eye to the violence from proud boys & the alt right

Again, this picture sums up Jorep entirely

gxbHiJO
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Funbazooka
10/25/18 6:09:02 PM
#182:


What's the problemo? It's video evidence that Antifa started the brawl. I know all the left-wingers were pretty adamant that the Proud Boys started the brawl but now's the time to face facts, accept you were wrong, and move on.
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A_Good_Boy
10/25/18 6:11:47 PM
#183:


Funbazooka posted...
What's the problemo? It's video evidence that Antifa started the brawl. I know all the left-wingers were pretty adamant that the Proud Boys started the brawl but now's the time to face facts, accept you were wrong, and move on.

When the crips use savagery to fend off an attack from the bloods we don't pat them on the back for their efforts either. Don't know why you're sitting here and picking sides in what's essentially a street brawl between two different gangs.
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Jorep
10/25/18 6:14:36 PM
#184:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Funbazooka posted...
What's the problemo? It's video evidence that Antifa started the brawl. I know all the left-wingers were pretty adamant that the Proud Boys started the brawl but now's the time to face facts, accept you were wrong, and move on.

When the crips use savagery to fend off an attack from the bloods we don't pat them on the back for their efforts either. Don't know why you're sitting here and picking sides in what's essentially a street brawl between two different gangs.


Because in America the side who started the violence is in the wrong, and the defending party is doing just that.
Self defense
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A_Good_Boy
10/25/18 6:15:50 PM
#185:


Jorep posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Funbazooka posted...
What's the problemo? It's video evidence that Antifa started the brawl. I know all the left-wingers were pretty adamant that the Proud Boys started the brawl but now's the time to face facts, accept you were wrong, and move on.

When the crips use savagery to fend off an attack from the bloods we don't pat them on the back for their efforts either. Don't know why you're sitting here and picking sides in what's essentially a street brawl between two different gangs.


Because in America the side who started the violence is in the wrong, and the defending party is doing just that.
Self defense

We have gang task forces all around the country that would disagree with you. New York is one of those places.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
10/25/18 6:15:57 PM
#186:


Jorep posted...
No worries, macheteguy. It's a shame to see my topic co-opted by people who just want to start a fight, but I always respect your position, if not that of some of the more disingenuous people in here posting falsehoods.


Well, my position is that these falsehoods are in fact truths and your defense and championing of the proud boys is misguided, and if there was ever an incident between them and antifa in my city, I know which side I would choose. Granted, I wouldn't resort to violence, but I'm pretty good at weaponizing words and I've inadvertently been a catalyst to many arguments and fights among people around me, so when I'm actually trying to invite things, it's that much more effective. The subsequent arrests would be highly lopsided. Granted, proud boys wouldn't set foot in my area anyway. They would rightfully extremely unwelcome.
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Bluebomber182
10/25/18 6:16:12 PM
#187:


and who do you think started the violence in charlottesville?
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MrToothHasYou
10/25/18 6:16:14 PM
#188:


Jorep posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Funbazooka posted...
What's the problemo? It's video evidence that Antifa started the brawl. I know all the left-wingers were pretty adamant that the Proud Boys started the brawl but now's the time to face facts, accept you were wrong, and move on.

When the crips use savagery to fend off an attack from the bloods we don't pat them on the back for their efforts either. Don't know why you're sitting here and picking sides in what's essentially a street brawl between two different gangs.


Because in America the side who started the violence is in the wrong, and the defending party is doing just that.
Self defense

The existence of the Proud Boys is an attack on American citizens, any actions taken by Antifa are by definition self-defense

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P4wn4g3
10/25/18 6:17:02 PM
#189:


Just read TC's posts as if there is a laugh track at the end of each.
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Rad_Chad
10/25/18 6:19:15 PM
#190:


fringe groups are hella lame, but antifa do get away with more than they should because dumbasses just take their name at face value... cool. i guess the DPRK is a democracy then!

whoever escalates something to physical levels deserves whatever happens to them in response, bros.
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Albie
10/25/18 6:20:01 PM
#191:


How dare you try to bring discussion to my Gamefaqs!
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CyricZ
10/25/18 6:20:43 PM
#192:


Should I go through my usual rigmarole of trying to tolerate and find common ground, or should I just go straight to the ignore list this time.
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A_Good_Boy
10/25/18 6:21:28 PM
#193:


Rad_Chad posted...
fringe groups are hella lame, but antifa do get away with more than they should because dumbasses just take their name at face value... cool. i guess the DPRK is a democracy then!

whoever escalates something to physical levels deserves whatever happens to them in response, bros.

Antifa doesn't "get away" with anything. They're listed as a left-wing terrorist group in many different states.
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GiftedACIII
10/25/18 6:26:12 PM
#194:


TC must really hate his foot lol
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Esrac
10/25/18 6:26:26 PM
#195:


Regardless of any other aspects of the Proud Boys, in this case, it seems to be true that they did not start the fight and they weren't prowling around looking for a fight. For additional context:

- Prior to the event, a Republican headquarters was vandalized and threatening messages regarding the event were left at the scene.

- 3 Antifa protestors were arrested for assaulting and robbing a man who had left the event separately from the Proud Boys group.

- Antifa protestors instigated the fight by throwing objects at the Proud Boys (at least one bottle that I know of).

With that in mind, the Proud Boys were probably technically justified in responding violently to the antagonism. However, I think they lose the claim to self defense after they responded with such overwhelming force and continued to stomp and kick on the Antifa protestors after they had been defeated.

For what it's worth, apparently McGinnes has urged the Proud Boys involved to turn themselves in to police. As I've heard it, none of the Proud Boys were arrested at the scene because the Antifa protestors refused to cooperate with the police.
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Rad_Chad
10/25/18 6:28:52 PM
#196:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Rad_Chad posted...
fringe groups are hella lame, but antifa do get away with more than they should because dumbasses just take their name at face value... cool. i guess the DPRK is a democracy then!

whoever escalates something to physical levels deserves whatever happens to them in response, bros.

Antifa doesn't "get away" with anything. They're listed as a left-wing terrorist group in many different states.

the public doesn't give a shit if they burn stuff and riot. two wrongs don't make a right, bro. they are equal to their enemies.
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spudger
10/25/18 6:30:26 PM
#197:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
spudger posted...
so who's alt is tc?


I know him from another board. He's not an alt.

Tell him to go back

Hes low effort
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A_Good_Boy
10/25/18 6:30:33 PM
#198:


Rad_Chad posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Rad_Chad posted...
fringe groups are hella lame, but antifa do get away with more than they should because dumbasses just take their name at face value... cool. i guess the DPRK is a democracy then!

whoever escalates something to physical levels deserves whatever happens to them in response, bros.

Antifa doesn't "get away" with anything. They're listed as a left-wing terrorist group in many different states.

the public doesn't give a shit if they burn stuff and riot. two wrongs don't make a right, bro. they are equal to their enemies.

When you say "the public", which portion of the public are you talking about?
When you say that they're "equals to their enemies", which enemies are you talking about and how are they equal?
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SwordMaster13X
10/25/18 6:30:47 PM
#199:


This pro trump group thinks the proud boys are a bunch of racists

http://www2.philly.com/philly/news/proud-boys-far-right-white-nationalist-rally-philadelphia-pushback-campaign-antifa-20181024.html

Nov. 17 is National Take a Hike Day, and that's exactly what an organizer of a "pro-Trump, pro-America" rally says he'll ask racists to do instead of coming to Philadelphia that day.

Zach Rehl, who runs the Sports Beer and Politics blog and Facebook page, said the "We the People" rally he's helping to stage at Washington Square at 11 a.m. that Saturday is simply to support conservative causes.

Social media posts by a group known as the PushBack Campaign earlier claimed that "far-right groups with ties to Neo-Nazis known as the 'Proud Boys' and the 'Three Percenters'" are behind the planned gathering, first reported by PhillyVoice.
"First of all, it's not a rally for Proud Boys," Rehl, 33, said Wednesday. "We're not interested in having any racist groups there, and if we find them, we're going to remove them from the event. Philadelphia is a tough city, and we want to let them know there's people here with different opinions. There's people who love the Constitution and people who don't."

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Rad_Chad
10/25/18 6:32:07 PM
#200:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Rad_Chad posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Rad_Chad posted...
fringe groups are hella lame, but antifa do get away with more than they should because dumbasses just take their name at face value... cool. i guess the DPRK is a democracy then!

whoever escalates something to physical levels deserves whatever happens to them in response, bros.

Antifa doesn't "get away" with anything. They're listed as a left-wing terrorist group in many different states.

the public doesn't give a shit if they burn stuff and riot. two wrongs don't make a right, bro. they are equal to their enemies.

When you say "the public", which portion of the public are you talking about?
When you say that they're "equals to their enemies", which enemies are you talking about and how are they equal?

the general population ignores them. their enemies they are equal to are all other fringe groups (like the proud boys). they are all big piles of shit. subversive trouble makers are not good. they aren't isis tier, but they are pretty fucking bad.
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