Current Events > Michigan Woman is DENIED MEDICATION from a PHARMACIST because he's CHRISTIAN!!

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Coffeebeanz posted...

I'm not talking about this guy. I'm responding to this argument that pharmacists have no right to refuse. Which is not true.

We're talking about that in the context of this case. There is no reason to come in here and say "well technically in a different situation..."...We're talking about THIS case.
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She could have died

VipaGTS posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

I'm not talking about this guy. I'm responding to this argument that pharmacists have no right to refuse. Which is not true.

We're talking about that in the context of this case. There is no reason to come in here and say "well technically in a different situation..."...We're talking about THIS case.

In this case the pharmacist was a dick and had an obligation to refer her to another pharmacist.

But there have been blanket statement about practitioner rights in this topic that are flat out wrong.
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DuranOfForcena posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

But there have been blanket statement about practitioner rights in this topic that are flat out wrong.

no they're not, again discounting backwards ass Dumbfuckistan red states

also, they were statements about pharmacists* rights

Look, I get it, you're Dunning-Kruger-ing healthcare rights. Just don't be proud about it.
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also, they were statements about pharmacists* rights, i never said fuck all about practitioners

Pharmacists are practitioners.

As are nurses, physical therapists, etc.
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Even if the pharmacist had the right to refuse, why did he:

>Refuse to transfer her to another pharmacist

>Feel it was okay to discuss the case with her mother when her mom called. (How would he know it's her mom?)

Sounds like an easy lawsuit.

BigSLM1993 posted...

Even if the pharmacist had the right to refuse, why did he:

>Refuse to transfer her to another pharmacist

>Feel it was okay to discuss the case with her mother when her mom called. (How would he know it's her mom?)

Both of those were unethical and technically illegal.
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I'd definitely try to take that pharmacist to court for all they've got; and yes, a good portion of why is because of spite. Of course the fact that he's withholding life saving medication that could prevent a fatal outcome, but he needs to learn not to shove his religion down everyone's throats. Do your fuckin job.

It also makes no sense to me..she didn't get an abortion, she had a miscarriage...would someone as religious as this person not just call that "god's plan?"..So now you want her to potentially die because its "gods plan"? And I'm supposed to believe you hold the moral high ground of society?....Ok.
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Where the pharmacist crossed the line is in his refusal to refer her to another pharmacist. Not in his refusal to fill the medicine.
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And that still plays into his religion. His refusal to have another person fill it was likely because he didn't believe in it, and didn't want her to have it regardless. he probably saw it as being in his hands and it being his duty to stop it. Fuck that.
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VipaGTS posted...

And that still plays into his religion. His refusal to have another person fill it was likely because he didn't believe in it, and didn't want her to have it regardless. he probably saw it as being in his hands and it being his duty to stop it. Fuck that.

That's simply illegal/unethical.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

Where the pharmacist crossed the line is in his refusal to refer her to another pharmacist. Not in his refusal to fill the medicine.

I agree. I don't agree with his religious views (she wasn't even having an abortion) but that's still a right he has. But he took it to the next level.

Wow this topic. Hoo boy.
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the majority voted NO
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If you can't do your job, then fuck off. It should be downright illegal to refuse healthcare on religious grounds. Fuck this stupidity.
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Fire him. If your religious beliefs prevent you from doing your job properly, you need a different job. That's unacceptable.
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I guess my pharmacists are bad Christian women for not letting people die on religious grounds. Shame on them.
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As another CE pharmacist, I'd say the pharmacist in question here dropped the ball in refusing to refer the patient to a pharmacy where they could get their prescription filled.

We absolutely have the right to refuse, but we are obligated to do our due diligence in making sure patients are provided the means to obtain their legitimate prescriptions.
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Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

As another CE pharmacist, I'd say the pharmacist in question here dropped the ball in refusing to refer the patient to a pharmacy where they could get their prescription filled.

We absolutely have the right to refuse, but we are obligated to do our due diligence in making sure patients are provided the means to obtain their legitimate prescriptions.

Forget it, I've tried explaining right to refuse to them. They don't get it. Nor do they want to.
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With this topic stretching to 70+ posts, I figured there was some sort of outrage over it. It happens each time a pharmacist's refusal makes headlines.

I'm not going to feed the noise. I actually know pharmacy law and practice, so I'll just leave it at my earlier statement and keep it moving.
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It doesn't matter. Your rights have nothing on their fedorabeard views on religion and how it should be illegal to literally do anything based on religious views.
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If the business is a transaction base company that they are declining your money for service then yes the business owner or his caretaker has the right to deny service to anyone

If it an open forum or that you already paid an entry fee then no.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

Where the pharmacist crossed the line is in his refusal to refer her to another pharmacist. Not in his refusal to fill the medicine.

i hope that bastard pharmacist is reprimanded by having a strike on his record. he continues pulling this BS that pharmacist deserves to be replaced and fired.

that's how trendwest does shit. 3 strikes and you're out.
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Pharmacist refusing to fill prescriptions is normal and protected under law. Refusing to Transfer or give the prescription back is horse shit and shouldn't be allowed. I never understood why that's allowed the whole time I've worked as a Pharmacy Tech
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Is he the owner?
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Coffeebeanz posted...

It doesn't matter. Your rights have nothing on their fedorabeard views on religion and how it should be illegal to literally do anything based on religious views.

I think everyone is aware of the rights pharmacists have. They just think they shouldn't have this one. I'm sorry you are a literal doctor who is okay with healthcare providers putting lives at risk to please their unseen gods. They can go be faith healers if they want to put religion in their work. It has no place in real medicine. It's disconcerting enough that so many hospitals are owned by religious groups.

"It's DA LAW!" isn't much of an argument when people are saying change the law.
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Why would you work for a business that even carries the drug?

Grandstanding hypocrite.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

It doesn't matter. Your rights have nothing on their fedorabeard views on religion and how it should be illegal to literally do anything based on religious views.

I think everyone is aware of the rights pharmacists have. They just think they shouldn't have this one. I'm sorry you are a literal doctor who is okay with healthcare providers putting lives at risk to please their unseen gods. They can go be faith healers if they want to put religion in their work. It has no place in real medicine. It's disconcerting enough that so many hospitals are owned by religious groups.

"It's DA LAW!" isn't much of an argument when people are saying change the law.

That's why you are required to refer them to another provider.

And you need to get your head out of your ass.
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Guy sounds like a piece of shit imo
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Dude shouldve transferred it out

I have no sympathy for the pharmacist when stories like this come out because there are clear steps to take when something like this happens and most of the time theyre not followed

And even then the reason she needed it doesnt actually violate his beliefs. He just assumed otherwise
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Coffeebeanz posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

It doesn't matter. Your rights have nothing on their fedorabeard views on religion and how it should be illegal to literally do anything based on religious views.

I think everyone is aware of the rights pharmacists have. They just think they shouldn't have this one. I'm sorry you are a literal doctor who is okay with healthcare providers putting lives at risk to please their unseen gods. They can go be faith healers if they want to put religion in their work. It has no place in real medicine. It's disconcerting enough that so many hospitals are owned by religious groups.

"It's DA LAW!" isn't much of an argument when people are saying change the law.

That's why you are required to refer them to another provider.

And you need to get your head out of your ass.

Just require them to be that provider. There is clearly a conflict between religion and the job, so they should pick better jobs or do the job they have.
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M_Live posted...

Guy should be disbarred from practicing medicine imho

@Super_Saiyan_3_Goku

Aren't you glad these people aren't making medicolegal decisions
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hockeybub89 posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

It doesn't matter. Your rights have nothing on their fedorabeard views on religion and how it should be illegal to literally do anything based on religious views.

I think everyone is aware of the rights pharmacists have. They just think they shouldn't have this one. I'm sorry you are a literal doctor who is okay with healthcare providers putting lives at risk to please their unseen gods. They can go be faith healers if they want to put religion in their work. It has no place in real medicine. It's disconcerting enough that so many hospitals are owned by religious groups.

"It's DA LAW!" isn't much of an argument when people are saying change the law.

That's why you are required to refer them to another provider.

And you need to get your head out of your ass.

Just require them to be that provider. There is clearly a conflict between religion and the job, so they should pick better jobs or do the job they have.

That's not how practicing medicine can or should work.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

M_Live posted...

Guy should be disbarred from practicing medicine imho

@Super_Saiyan_3_Goku

Aren't you glad these people aren't making medicolegal decisions

The prescription should've been transferred out. We are obligated to do that. There is no sense in creating new laws when the current one addresses this very issue.
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No see pharmacists should be forced to hand out whatever medicine is currently the social issue du jour in our totally-not-authoritarian free society.
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Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

M_Live posted...

Guy should be disbarred from practicing medicine imho

@Super_Saiyan_3_Goku

Aren't you glad these people aren't making medicolegal decisions

The prescription should've been transferred out. We are obligated to do that. There is no sense in creating new laws when the current one addresses this very issue.

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Also, I'm surprised you haven't really mentioned it, but what do you think about misoprostol to "prevent infection" in a spontaneous abortion lol.

What kind of crackpot doctor ordered that?

Actual OB/GYNs would just insert several extended release pellets into the cervix.
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A Free Society means Freedom for BOTH the Pharmacist & Patient.

The Pharmacist has the right to refuse, but not the right to refer somebody else to do the job.

The Patient has the right to see other Pharmacists as well as the right to get the prescription from a Pharmacist who isn't conflicted by said prescription.

A "Free Society" isn't a one sided affair, it has to work for everybody involved.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

It doesn't matter. Your rights have nothing on their fedorabeard views on religion and how it should be illegal to literally do anything based on religious views.

I think everyone is aware of the rights pharmacists have. They just think they shouldn't have this one. I'm sorry you are a literal doctor who is okay with healthcare providers putting lives at risk to please their unseen gods. They can go be faith healers if they want to put religion in their work. It has no place in real medicine. It's disconcerting enough that so many hospitals are owned by religious groups.

"It's DA LAW!" isn't much of an argument when people are saying change the law.

That's why you are required to refer them to another provider.

And you need to get your head out of your ass.

Just require them to be that provider. There is clearly a conflict between religion and the job, so they should pick better jobs or do the job they have.

That's not how practicing medicine can or should work.

Why not? Why does a doctor or pharmacist have to be allowed to put faith above people?
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hockeybub89 posted...

Why not? Why does a doctor or pharmacist have to be allowed to put faith above people?

Pharmacists & Medical Practioners are still people at the end of the day.

You shouldn't be able to force somebody to perform an act that is against their faith.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

No see pharmacists should be forced to hand out whatever medicine is currently the social issue du jour in our totally-not-authoritarian free society.

We don't have a truly free society and this has nothing to do with social issues or whatever the fuck. Your freedom stops when it can tangibly affects others, unless you invoke a God no one can consult apparently
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Doctors and pharmacists aren't your butlers. We don't work for you. If you don't have an immediately life threatening emergency, we have the right to refuse treatment for basically any reason we want.

If you don't like it, find another doctor or pharmacist.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Why not? Why does a doctor or pharmacist have to be allowed to put faith above people?

Pharmacists & Medical Practioners are still people at the end of the day.

You shouldn't be able to force somebody to perform an act that is against their faith.

Why not? Real life people are right here in front of you needing help. Gods are a crapshoot that may payoff after you die.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

No see pharmacists should be forced to hand out whatever medicine is currently the social issue du jour in our totally-not-authoritarian free society.

We don't have a truly free society and this has nothing to do with social issues or whatever the fuck. Your freedom stops when it can tangibly affects others, unless you invoke a God no one can consult apparently

Oh no, you might have to spend ten minutes driving to another pharmacy. Someone call the waaambulance.
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Sexypwnstar posted...

Full Throttle posted...

The man said he was a GOOD CATHOLIC MALE and that he couldn't in good conscience give me this medication because it's used for abortions and he could not prescribe that.

Pharmacists don't prescribe, they dispense.

Pharmacists can prescribe
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hockeybub89 posted...

KamenRiderBlade posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Why not? Why does a doctor or pharmacist have to be allowed to put faith above people?

Pharmacists & Medical Practioners are still people at the end of the day.

You shouldn't be able to force somebody to perform an act that is against their faith.

Why not? Real life people are right here in front of you needing help. Gods are a crapshoot that may payoff after you die.

Hey guess what

Your beliefs on religion are irrelevant.

A pharmacist could refuse to fill a medicine because it starts with a letter they don't like.

Deal with it.
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