Current Events > FBI Director Wray Confirms That White House Limited Kavanaugh Probe

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Alpha218
10/10/18 6:38:49 PM
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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/wray-confirms-that-white-house-limited-kavanaugh-probe

During a Senate Homeland Security Committee hearing Wednesday, Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) asked FBI Director Christopher Wray if the investigation into sexual assault allegations against Supreme Court justice Brett Kavanaugh was curtailed by the White House. Wray confirmed that it was.

I think I would say that our investigation here, our supplemental update to the previous background investigation, was limited in scope and that that is consistent with the standard process for such investigations going back quite a long ways, he said.

Harris followed up by asking if communication between the White House and FBI was in writing, and requested that it be turned over to the committee. Wray said that he assumed some of it was and that hed have to see whats appropriate to give the senators.

Harris then specifically tried to suss out if White House lawyer Don McGahn was involved in the communication, but Wray sidestepped.

Well, I cant speak to what anybody throughout the organization might have received instructions on, he said. My understanding is that the communications occurred between the White Houses office of security and the FBI security division.


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10/10/18 6:48:16 PM
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Moving the goal posts
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Coffeebeanz
10/10/18 6:49:39 PM
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that that is consistent with the standard process for such investigations going back quite a long ways, he said.

Nice topic title
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Alpha218
10/10/18 6:52:22 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
that that is consistent with the standard process for such investigations going back quite a long ways, he said.

Nice topic title

Topic title is the same as the article title

You can get over it
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RiderofHogs
10/10/18 6:52:28 PM
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Obviously Trump's white Nazi friends are running the FBI

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Coffeebeanz
10/11/18 5:58:19 PM
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Hairistotle posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
that that is consistent with the standard process for such investigations going back quite a long ways, he said.

Nice topic title

is this supposed to make it better?


"We investigated this case using the same process that we always do"

What else did you want?

"We're gonna invent a time machine, go back and time and literally record the event"?
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P4wn4g3
10/11/18 6:03:49 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
Hairistotle posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
that that is consistent with the standard process for such investigations going back quite a long ways, he said.

Nice topic title

is this supposed to make it better?


"We investigated this case using the same process that we always do"

What else did you want?

"We're gonna invent a time machine, go back and time and literally record the event"?

That's not what he said, though I'd like clarification on that myself.
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Coffeebeanz
10/11/18 6:13:23 PM
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Hairistotle posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
"We investigated this case using the same process that we always do"

this is not what was said


https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/10/politics/fbi-wray-kavanaugh-ford-probe/index.html

"Again, I would say, what I said at the beginning, which is as is standard, the investigation was very specific in scope, limited in scope and that is the usual process," Wray replied. "My folks have assured me that the usual process was followed."

What, exactly, does that mean then?
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Alpha218
10/11/18 6:14:24 PM
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Hello Coffeebeanz
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Coffeebeanz
10/11/18 6:14:50 PM
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Hey bud!
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Coffeebeanz
10/11/18 6:16:59 PM
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Hairistotle posted...
he didnt say "that we always do"

he said "that we do now"


"As is standard"
"The usual process"
"Going back quite a long ways"

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't think that fits what you're saying.
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King_Hellebuyck
10/11/18 6:18:33 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
Hairistotle posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
that that is consistent with the standard process for such investigations going back quite a long ways, he said.

Nice topic title

is this supposed to make it better?


"We investigated this case using the same process that we always do"

What else did you want?

"We're gonna invent a time machine, go back and time and literally record the event"?

How about a full investigation that isnt limited by the White House?
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Coffeebeanz
10/11/18 6:23:34 PM
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King_Hellebuyck posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
Hairistotle posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
that that is consistent with the standard process for such investigations going back quite a long ways, he said.

Nice topic title

is this supposed to make it better?


"We investigated this case using the same process that we always do"

What else did you want?

"We're gonna invent a time machine, go back and time and literally record the event"?

How about a full investigation that isnt limited by the White House?


He said it was consistent with standard practice for these kind of cases. What else do you want? His credit card accounts and his middle school grades?

It's pretty clear he's saying the scope was limited to the allegations.
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UnfairRepresent
10/11/18 6:25:37 PM
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King_Hellebuyck posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
Hairistotle posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
that that is consistent with the standard process for such investigations going back quite a long ways, he said.

Nice topic title

is this supposed to make it better?


"We investigated this case using the same process that we always do"

What else did you want?

"We're gonna invent a time machine, go back and time and literally record the event"?

How about a full investigation that isnt limited by the White House?

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Coffeebeanz
10/11/18 6:26:35 PM
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He stated that the limitation was to use only the protocol the FBI uses for rape allegations. Is there something else you wanted them to investigate as well?

This is actually getting pretty sad.

"You have one week to literally investigate anything you want, no limits"
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UnfairRepresent
10/11/18 6:28:05 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
He stated that the limitation was to use only the protocol the FBI uses for rape allegations. Is there something else you wanted them to investigate as well?

Perjury would be a good start

But I know you're being disengenious because you post in like 700 Kav topics defending him and then in each one ignore any valid points people make while belittling them.
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King_Hellebuyck
10/11/18 6:28:09 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
Hairistotle posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
that that is consistent with the standard process for such investigations going back quite a long ways, he said.

Nice topic title

is this supposed to make it better?


"We investigated this case using the same process that we always do"

What else did you want?

"We're gonna invent a time machine, go back and time and literally record the event"?

How about a full investigation that isnt limited by the White House?


He said it was consistent with standard practice for these kind of cases. What else do you want? His credit card accounts and his middle school grades?

It's pretty clear he's saying the scope was limited to the allegations.

Except we know that it didnt deal with all the allegations and numerous people came out saying that has relevant info but the FBI couldnt or wouldnt talk to them.

Its always been like this! is your only point, and its not a very good one.
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Sayoria
10/11/18 6:29:14 PM
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Trump to Kavanaugh: See, I can rig an investigation for you. Now scratch MY back.
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andel
10/11/18 6:30:10 PM
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what a surprise, trump cultists defending obvious corruption by the trump admin yet again.

do you people ever get tired of shilling for the most corrupt administration since harding?
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Milkman5
10/11/18 6:30:14 PM
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liberals are fucking delusional. Did they want the FBI to fake evidence?

"So we found his sperm, conveniently it was frozen in ice. Also we have videotape of the event. We lost it btw, but we can assure you that it is real."
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Coffeebeanz
10/11/18 6:30:43 PM
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Seriously, stop being disingenuous and just admit that no investigation, no matter how long or how thorough, would be considered valid if it didn't come to the politically expedient conclusion you wanted.

There's be some bullshit excuse cooked up by the DNC spindoctors and the sheep would bleat it out unquestioningly.
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P4wn4g3
10/11/18 6:30:44 PM
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They didn't interview key witnesses, which is inconsistent with his story. Unless of course the FBI is lazy and just tends not to do that.
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Coffeebeanz
10/11/18 6:31:32 PM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
They didn't interview key witnesses, which is inconsistent with his story. Unless of course the FBI is lazy and just tends not to do that.


They interviewed literally every person she claimed was there.

The rest would at very best be considered hearsay.

Just because some moron says he was there doesn't make him a key witness.
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P4wn4g3
10/11/18 6:33:22 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
They didn't interview key witnesses, which is inconsistent with his story. Unless of course the FBI is lazy and just tends not to do that.


They interviewed literally every person she claimed was there.

The rest would at very best be considered hearsay.

Just because some moron says he was there doesn't make him a key witness.

So where are the transcripts of these interviews
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UnfairRepresent
10/11/18 6:33:24 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...

But I know you're being disengenious because you post in like 700 Kav topics defending him and then in each one ignore any valid points people make while belittling them.

Called it
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DragonGirlYuki
10/11/18 6:33:39 PM
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Nice
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andel
10/11/18 6:33:50 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
They didn't interview key witnesses, which is inconsistent with his story. Unless of course the FBI is lazy and just tends not to do that.


They interviewed literally every person she claimed was there.

The rest would at very best be considered hearsay.

Just because some moron says he was there doesn't make him a key witness.


*shilling intensifies*
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King_Hellebuyck
10/11/18 6:34:06 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
Seriously, stop being disingenuous and just admit that no investigation, no matter how long or how thorough, would be considered valid if it didn't come to the politically expedient conclusion you wanted.

There's be some bullshit excuse cooked up by the DNC spindoctors and the sheep would bleat it out unquestioningly.

Why do you get so insufferable over the idea that the White House shouldnt be limiting an investigation into a Supreme Court Justice?
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Coffeebeanz
10/11/18 6:34:07 PM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
They didn't interview key witnesses, which is inconsistent with his story. Unless of course the FBI is lazy and just tends not to do that.


They interviewed literally every person she claimed was there.

The rest would at very best be considered hearsay.

Just because some moron says he was there doesn't make him a key witness.

So where are the transcripts of these interviews


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Milkman5
10/11/18 6:34:24 PM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
They didn't interview key witnesses, which is inconsistent with his story. Unless of course the FBI is lazy and just tends not to do that.


yeah, which? the top members of the DNC?

Anyone whining that they didn't interview Ford, she already made statements which they took into account. What were they supposed to ask her that wasn't already said that would have somehow turned the case on its head?
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Coffeebeanz
10/11/18 6:35:04 PM
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Milkman5 posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
They didn't interview key witnesses, which is inconsistent with his story. Unless of course the FBI is lazy and just tends not to do that.


yeah, which? the top members of the DNC?

Anyone whining that they didn't interview Ford, she already made statements which they took into account. What were they supposed to ask her that wasn't already said that would have somehow turned the case on its head?


They requested her therapist records, which she refused.
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P4wn4g3
10/11/18 6:36:32 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
They didn't interview key witnesses, which is inconsistent with his story. Unless of course the FBI is lazy and just tends not to do that.


They interviewed literally every person she claimed was there.

The rest would at very best be considered hearsay.

Just because some moron says he was there doesn't make him a key witness.

So where are the transcripts of these interviews


Jet fuel can't melt steel beams

Man good thing Coffee beans is here to give us the inside scoop. It's nice having someone from the FBI working on this case around so we don't have a bunch of misinformation just being tossed out there.
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Coffeebeanz
10/11/18 6:40:24 PM
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Look, it's not complicated. We had an accuser whose named witnesses denied knowledge of the event. An event with which there is no record having ever occurred, in a location even the accuser isn't sure is correct, on a year the accuser has changed multiple times. She claimed it's backed up by therapy notes she won't release.

That case would be open and shut faster than an empty fridge in a room full of Boogies. The fact it even took the FBI a week is comical in and of itself.
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P4wn4g3
10/11/18 6:41:20 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
She claimed it's backed up by therapy notes she won't release.

So where is this coming from
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UnfairRepresent
10/11/18 6:42:59 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...

That case would be open and shut faster than an empty fridge

Great

So let's investigate it (along with the other claims as well as his blatant Perjury) and then we can put the matter to bed.

But he and his supporters have irrationally verging on violently refused such investigations.

And created an immensely emotional rhetoric which says that calling for an investigation is akin to calling for a court judgement.
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King_Hellebuyck
10/11/18 6:43:46 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
Look, it's not complicated. We had an accuser whose named witnesses denied knowledge of the event. An event with which there is no record having ever occurred, in a location even the accuser isn't sure is correct, on a year the accuser has changed multiple times. She claimed it's backed up by therapy notes she won't release.

That case would be open and shut faster than an empty fridge in a room full of Boogies. The fact it even took the FBI a week is comical in and of itself.

If you believe that nothing would have changed by it not being a limited investigation then why are you so upset by the idea that it shouldnt have been limited by the White House?
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Coffeebeanz
10/11/18 6:45:43 PM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
She claimed it's backed up by therapy notes she won't release.

So where is this coming from


https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/1/fbi-access-blasey-fords-therapy-notes-must/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/christine-blasey-ford-refuses-to-turn-over-therapy-notes-until-fbi-interviews-her

Etc etc

Her lawyers claim it's because there are inconsistencies with her story that the GOP would take advantage of, but are related to the natural effects the trauma had on her.
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Coffeebeanz
10/11/18 6:48:25 PM
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brett-kavanaugh-lawyer-therapist-notes-lie-detector-test-from-accuser-not-turned-over-today-2018-09-26/

They announced that there were notes and there had been a lie detector test but as I understand it, they did not turn any of those over to the Senate committee even though they were requested so the information that would have shown what she said at the very first time when she revealed these allegations have not been turned over to the Senate," Wilkinson said.

"That's very important because apparently in those notes, there's a differing story about how many people were present at the party, there's no mention of Judge Kavanaugh, and so all that information would be very important to determine whether there's any corroboration of this allegation."

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10/11/18 6:50:18 PM
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Alpha218 posted...

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P4wn4g3
10/11/18 6:50:30 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
She claimed it's backed up by therapy notes she won't release.

So where is this coming from


https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/1/fbi-access-blasey-fords-therapy-notes-must/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/christine-blasey-ford-refuses-to-turn-over-therapy-notes-until-fbi-interviews-her

Etc etc

Her lawyers claim it's because there are inconsistencies with her story that the GOP would take advantage of, but are related to the natural effects the trauma had on her.


To date, Ms. Ford has refused to turn the therapists writings over to the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Today we learn Coffeebeanz thinks a public senate hearing is the same as an FBI Investigation and therefore patients should publicly release their personal health information.

Good luck with that HIPAA stuff.

Oh and she still wonders why people on this forum bring her professionalism into question.
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Coffeebeanz
10/11/18 6:51:27 PM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
She claimed it's backed up by therapy notes she won't release.

So where is this coming from


https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/1/fbi-access-blasey-fords-therapy-notes-must/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/christine-blasey-ford-refuses-to-turn-over-therapy-notes-until-fbi-interviews-her

Etc etc

Her lawyers claim it's because there are inconsistencies with her story that the GOP would take advantage of, but are related to the natural effects the trauma had on her.


To date, Ms. Ford has refused to turn the therapists writings over to the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Today we learn Coffeebeanz thinks a public senate hearing is the same as an FBI Investigation and therefore patients should publicly release their personal health information.

Good luck with that HIPAA stuff.


She refused to release it to the FBI as well, if you have any ability to read. I'm sure she had a perfectly reasonable excuse for why she couldn't provide very important key evidence to the investigators.
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Calwings
10/11/18 6:52:41 PM
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King_Hellebuyck posted...
Except we know that it didnt deal with all the allegations and numerous people came out saying that has relevant info but the FBI couldnt or wouldnt talk to them.

This is my main problem with all this. I can understand not wanting to use time and resources to dig further into allegations besides the rape/assault in question. But when someone who has a connection to the situation says that they have relevant info and offers it to the investigation with no effort by the FBI needed, they should hear those people out. The chances of any of that info making a difference in the end may be slim, but those potential witnesses should have had the chance to say what they had to say. If the FBI did that and there still wasn't enough information to say he probably did it, then I wouldn't have any other objections.
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P4wn4g3
10/11/18 6:53:36 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
She claimed it's backed up by therapy notes she won't release.

So where is this coming from


https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/1/fbi-access-blasey-fords-therapy-notes-must/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/christine-blasey-ford-refuses-to-turn-over-therapy-notes-until-fbi-interviews-her

Etc etc

Her lawyers claim it's because there are inconsistencies with her story that the GOP would take advantage of, but are related to the natural effects the trauma had on her.


To date, Ms. Ford has refused to turn the therapists writings over to the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Today we learn Coffeebeanz thinks a public senate hearing is the same as an FBI Investigation and therefore patients should publicly release their personal health information.

Good luck with that HIPAA stuff.


She refused to release it to the FBI as well, if you have any ability to read. I'm sure she had a perfectly reasonable excuse for why she couldn't provide very important key evidence to the investigators.

Ah so we are just making shit up now. In that case welcome to the Trump Supporter club.
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Coffeebeanz
10/11/18 6:58:11 PM
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/christine-blasey-ford-refuses-to-turn-over-therapy-notes-until-fbi-interviews-her

Lawyers for Christine Blasey Ford said Wednesday that they will only turn over her therapist's documents to the FBI if she is interviewed by the bureau.

Seriously do you not even read?

At least say "ok but why won't they interview her"
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P4wn4g3
10/11/18 6:59:18 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
they will only turn over her therapist's documents to the FBI

This isn't a refusal.
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Coffeebeanz
10/11/18 7:00:08 PM
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No, the most pathetic part is I actually believe Ford. But I also understand what constitutes a solid case and what doesn't.

By making a circus out of this bullshit, the Democrats lost an opportunity to stop Kavanaugh on political grounds, like the fact that he opposes abortion. That would have probably eventually lost Collins' vote. Instead, the Republicans got literally everything they wanted, and Democrats got fooled again.

This accusation was one giant circus and the Democrats went along for the ride. And they got distracted from what really could have kept him off the Supreme Court.
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UnfairRepresent
10/11/18 7:03:52 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...

By making a circus out of this b*******,

Yeah, calling for an invesigation of accused crimes sure is a circus. Not the mass wide spread conservative hysteria to opposing it, including perjury and dramatic emotional speeches full of fallacies.

Kavvy deserved his special treatment and immunity to crimes.

There's a reason you ignore nearly every point people make...
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