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Bio1590
09/29/18 6:18:07 PM
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/white-house-limits-scope-fbi-s-investigation-allegations-against-brett-n915061

The White House is limiting the scope of the FBIs investigation into the sexual misconduct allegations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, multiple people briefed on the matter told NBC News.

While the FBI will examine the allegations of Christine Blasey Ford and Deborah Ramirez, the bureau has not been permitted to investigate the claims of Julie Swetnick, who has accused Kavanaugh of engaging in sexual misconduct at parties while he was a student at Georgetown Preparatory School in the 1980s, those people familiar with the investigation told NBC News. A White House official confirmed that Swetnick's claims will not be pursued as part of the reopened background investigation into Kavanaugh.

Ford said in Senate testimony Thursday that she was "100 percent" certain that Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her when they were both in high school. Ramirez alleged that he exposed himself to her when there were students at Yale. Kavanaugh has staunchly denied allegations from Ford, Ramirez and Swetnick.

Instead of investigating Swetnick's claims, the White House counsels office has given the FBI a list of witnesses they are permitted to interview, according to several people who discussed the parameters on the condition of anonymity. They characterized the White House instructions as a significant constraint on the FBI investigation and caution that such a limited scope, while not unusual in normal circumstances, may make it difficult to pursue additional leads in a case in which a Supreme Court nominee has been accused of sexual assault.

The limited scope seems to be at odds with what some members of the Senate judiciary seemed to expect when they agreed to give the FBI as much as a week to investigate allegations against Kavanaugh, a federal judge who grew up in the Washington DC area and attended an elite all-boys high school before going on to Yale.

President Donald Trump said on Saturday that the FBI has "free reign" in the investigation. "Theyre going to do whatever they have to do," he said. "Whatever it is they do, theyll be doing things that we never even thought of. And hopefully at the conclusion everything will be fine."

The president also said he thinks Flake's role in delaying the vote is fine. "Actually this could be a blessing in disguise," Trump continued. "Because having the FBI go out, do a thorough investigation, whether its three days or seven days, I think its going to be less than a week. But having them do a thorough investigation, I actually think will be a blessing in disguise. Itll be a good thing."

"I don't need a backup plan," Trump said, adding that he thinks Kavanaugh is "going to be fine."

Sen. Chris Coons, D-Del., told MSNBC's Chris Hayes Saturday that he supports the week-long scope of the investigation.

Sen. Jeff Flake, Republican of Arizona, who led an 11th hour move in the Senate committee for an FBI inquiry, said he thought the bureau would decide how to carry it out. His Democratic colleague Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island said he expected the FBI probe to include "adequate staffing," support from the committee for "rapid immunity and subpoena decisions as needed, plus the ability to investigate claims of a "penchant for drunkenness and inappropriate treatment of women, particularly where specifically related to incidents under investigation."

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Bio1590
09/29/18 6:18:55 PM
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An FBI spokeswoman declined to comment, referring questions to the White House.

A White House official did not specifically dispute limitations on the scope of the FBI's investigation but denied the White House was micromanaging the inquiry.

White House spokesman Raj Shah said that "the scope and duration has been set by the Senate. The White House is letting the FBI agents do what they are trained to do.

The Senate has only said that supplemental FBI background investigation be limited to current credible allegations against the nominee and must be completed no later than one week from today.

White House counsel Don McGahn, who has shepherded Kavanaugh's nomination since President Trump chose him for the high court on July 9, is taking the lead for the White House in dealing with the FBI on the investigation, those involved in the process told NBC News.

A U.S. official briefed on the matter said its not unusual for the White House to set the parameters of an FBI background check for a presidential nominee. The FBI had no choice but to agree to these terms, the sources told NBC News, because it is conducting the background investigation on behalf of the White House.

If the FBI learns of others who can corroborate what the existing witnesses are saying, it is not clear whether agents will be able to contact them under the terms laid out by the White House, the two sources briefed on the matter said.

Some areas are off limits, the sources said.

Investigators plan to meet with Mark Judge, a high school classmate and friend of Kavanaugh's whom Ford named as a witness and participant to her alleged assault.

But as of now, the FBI cannot ask the supermarket that employed Judge for records verifying when he was employed there, one of the sources was told. Ford said in congressional testimony Thursday that those records would help her narrow the time frame of the alleged incident which she recalls happening some time in the summer of 1982 in Montgomery County, Maryland.

Two sources familiar with the investigation said the FBI will also not be able to examine why Kavanaughs account of his drinking at Yale University differs from those of some former classmates, who have said he was known as a heavy drinker. Those details may be pertinent to investigating claims from Ramirez who described an alleged incident of sexual misconduct she said occurred while Kavanaugh was inebriated. Ramirez's lawyer said Saturday that she had been contacted by the FBI and would cooperate.

The conditions under which the FBI's reopened background check are occurring appears to differ from the one envisioned by Flake, who used his leverage as a swing vote to pressure the Trump administration to order the FBI investigation.

Flake said Friday he thought the FBI should decide the scope of the investigation.

Theyll have to decide the FBI you know, how far that goes, he told reporters. This is limited in time and scope and I think that it's appropriate when it's a lifetime appointment and allegations this serious and we ought to let people know that we're serious about it.

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Muffinz0rz
09/29/18 6:19:19 PM
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09/29/18 6:20:06 PM
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Both sides
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s0nicfan
09/29/18 6:20:11 PM
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Tl;dr: the investigation is limited to Ford's accusation
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Burgess
09/29/18 6:20:41 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Tl;dr: the investigation is limited to Ford's accusation


What did people want or think was going to happen.
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Freddie_Mercury
09/29/18 6:21:08 PM
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symbolic investigation
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ManBeast462
09/29/18 6:22:16 PM
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Its too late for investigation
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Bio1590
09/29/18 6:22:32 PM
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Burgess posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Tl;dr: the investigation is limited to Ford's accusation


What did people want or think was going to happen.

It includes Ramirez's too, so the omission of Swetnick's is not good optics, given Trump's...personal feud with her lawyer.
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littlebro07
09/29/18 6:22:35 PM
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WhyGiveUp
09/29/18 6:24:15 PM
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Avenatti is probably gonna publicly dump everything he has, lol. If Swetnick is telling the truth, this will become an even bigger mess.
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Bio1590
09/29/18 6:24:41 PM
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And they're not even letting them fully vet Ford's or Ramirez's claims either

Bio1590 posted...
But as of now, the FBI cannot ask the supermarket that employed Judge for records verifying when he was employed there, one of the sources was told. Ford said in congressional testimony Thursday that those records would help her narrow the time frame of the alleged incident which she recalls happening some time in the summer of 1982 in Montgomery County, Maryland.

Two sources familiar with the investigation said the FBI will also not be able to examine why Kavanaughs account of his drinking at Yale University differs from those of some former classmates, who have said he was known as a heavy drinker. Those details may be pertinent to investigating claims from Ramirez who described an alleged incident of sexual misconduct she said occurred while Kavanaugh was inebriated. Ramirez's lawyer said Saturday that she had been contacted by the FBI and would cooperate.


"Hey guys, you're not allowed to question something he openly lied about"
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ultimate reaver
09/29/18 6:25:38 PM
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This is basically what I expected from the start. They'll run a hamstrung, narrow "investigation" to appease surface level people and push the nomination through to end this with mildly better optics then approaching it honestly
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southcoast09
09/29/18 6:25:54 PM
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Good. Get this witch hunt over with so we can confirm him to the Supreme Court.
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BJ-blazkowics
09/29/18 6:26:08 PM
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WhyGiveUp posted...
Avenatti is probably gonna publicly dump everything he has, lol. If Swetnick is telling the truth, this will become an even bigger mess.


Swetnick will probably sue Kavanaugh anytime now and Avenatti will publicly dump everything he has and it will be worse for Kavanaugh lol
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Bio1590
09/29/18 6:28:55 PM
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WhyGiveUp posted...
Avenatti is probably gonna publicly dump everything he has, lol. If Swetnick is telling the truth, this will become an even bigger mess.

Note there is no Statute of Limitations on what Swetnick has alleged occurred. Only Ford's are the ones that fall under that letter.
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uwnim
09/29/18 6:29:02 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
And they're not even letting them fully vet Ford's or Ramirez's claims either

Bio1590 posted...
But as of now, the FBI cannot ask the supermarket that employed Judge for records verifying when he was employed there, one of the sources was told. Ford said in congressional testimony Thursday that those records would help her narrow the time frame of the alleged incident which she recalls happening some time in the summer of 1982 in Montgomery County, Maryland.

Two sources familiar with the investigation said the FBI will also not be able to examine why Kavanaughs account of his drinking at Yale University differs from those of some former classmates, who have said he was known as a heavy drinker. Those details may be pertinent to investigating claims from Ramirez who described an alleged incident of sexual misconduct she said occurred while Kavanaugh was inebriated. Ramirez's lawyer said Saturday that she had been contacted by the FBI and would cooperate.


"Hey guys, you're not allowed to question something he openly lied about"

I'm going to go ahead and assume that anything they've been told not to investigate is the stuff that would turn up something. Like Kavanaugh and Trump talked about what did happen and how to control an investigation so it avoids anything that could be an issue.
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UnholyMudcrab
09/29/18 6:34:14 PM
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They've also forbidden the FBI from interviewing anyone outside a specific list of approved witnesses The FBI also can't interview the store where Mark Judge worked or look into Kavanaugh's drinking habits. It's a blatant coverup attempt, but I can't imagine why you would expect anything else from this administration.

But hey, Flake got his sham investigation. I'm sure he'll be perfectly satisfied now.
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Roshon
09/29/18 6:38:31 PM
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Why does the White House have this much power honestly? Fuck the Founding Fathers, they led us to this mess.
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Bio1590
09/29/18 6:39:48 PM
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Have to wonder if the White House even realizes that if the FBI finds evidence of a crime that they can't actually just ignore it. Like it would result in either the opening of another investigation by the FBI itself or passed on to the (more) relevant authorities...
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KingCrabCake
09/29/18 6:40:33 PM
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FBI cant figure out why the Las vegas shooter snapped.. but ya they're gonna solve this scooby doo witch hunt from 1982
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Lonestar2000
09/29/18 6:40:48 PM
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So why can't the FBI tell Toad dick Trump to fuck off?
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Bio1590
09/29/18 6:42:43 PM
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Lonestar2000 posted...
So why can't the FBI tell Toad dick Trump to fuck off?

Because it's technically a background check at the request of the White House, it's not an investigation like the Mueller/Russia one.
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Axiom
09/29/18 6:43:23 PM
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And no one was surprised. They already know the allegations are true so of course they want to limit the scope of it
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littlebro07
09/29/18 6:44:07 PM
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Lonestar2000 posted...
So why can't the FBI tell Toad dick Trump to fuck off?


Right...aren't they also investigating him?
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darkjedilink
09/29/18 6:44:36 PM
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Lonestar2000 posted...
So why can't the FBI tell Toad dick Trump to fuck off?

Go tell your boss to fuck off, and tell us how that works.
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uwnim
09/29/18 6:45:44 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Lonestar2000 posted...
So why can't the FBI tell Toad dick Trump to fuck off?

Go tell your boss to fuck off, and tell us how that works.

There are some bosses who'd be okay with their employee telling them that if it was actually called for.
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Solar_Crimson
09/29/18 6:46:31 PM
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Disgraceful, but of course the slurpers are okay with this, as long as they get their boy in.
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Bio1590
09/29/18 6:46:57 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Lonestar2000 posted...
So why can't the FBI tell Toad dick Trump to fuck off?

Go tell your boss to fuck off, and tell us how that works.

No, there's a specific reason they can't exactly do that in this situation, and it has nothing to do with Wray or any FBI Agent being worried about telling Trump to fuck off.
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darkjedilink
09/29/18 6:47:22 PM
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uwnim posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Lonestar2000 posted...
So why can't the FBI tell Toad dick Trump to fuck off?

Go tell your boss to fuck off, and tell us how that works.

There are some bosses who'd be okay with their employee telling them that if it was actually called for.

Go ahead and think that.
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Solar_Crimson
09/29/18 6:47:55 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
uwnim posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Lonestar2000 posted...
So why can't the FBI tell Toad dick Trump to fuck off?

Go tell your boss to fuck off, and tell us how that works.

There are some bosses who'd be okay with their employee telling them that if it was actually called for.

Go ahead and think that.

He's right, though.
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uwnim
09/29/18 6:48:03 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
uwnim posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Lonestar2000 posted...
So why can't the FBI tell Toad dick Trump to fuck off?

Go tell your boss to fuck off, and tell us how that works.

There are some bosses who'd be okay with their employee telling them that if it was actually called for.

Go ahead and think that.

It actually is true. Try getting out into the world more, maybe you'd learn something.
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Alpha218
09/29/18 6:49:08 PM
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Of course it is. It'll give the GOP "cover" to retreat behind again when nothing turns up because the FBI couldn't conduct a proper investigation
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hockeybub89
09/29/18 6:52:33 PM
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Why limit the scope? If there's nothing there, then wouldn't you really want to stick it to the libs?
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FrisbeeDude
09/29/18 6:52:48 PM
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Learning posted...
Both sides

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KingCrabCake
09/29/18 7:02:25 PM
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uwnim posted...
darkjedilink posted...
uwnim posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Lonestar2000 posted...
So why can't the FBI tell Toad dick Trump to fuck off?

Go tell your boss to fuck off, and tell us how that works.

There are some bosses who'd be okay with their employee telling them that if it was actually called for.

Go ahead and think that.

It actually is true. Try getting out into the world more, maybe you'd learn something.

Lmfao
If you talk like that to majority of bosses you will be fired. Try getting out and having a real job.

Herpderp bosses love being told to go fuck off
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Tmaster148
09/29/18 7:04:52 PM
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This is totally behavior of an innocence man.
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uwnim
09/29/18 7:10:50 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...
uwnim posted...
darkjedilink posted...
uwnim posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Lonestar2000 posted...
So why can't the FBI tell Toad dick Trump to fuck off?

Go tell your boss to fuck off, and tell us how that works.

There are some bosses who'd be okay with their employee telling them that if it was actually called for.

Go ahead and think that.

It actually is true. Try getting out into the world more, maybe you'd learn something.

Lmfao
If you talk like that to majority of bosses you will be fired. Try getting out and having a real job.

Herpderp bosses love being told to go fuck off

Try reading. I never claimed it would go over well with most.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/29/18 7:19:08 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
uwnim posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Lonestar2000 posted...
So why can't the FBI tell Toad dick Trump to fuck off?

Go tell your boss to fuck off, and tell us how that works.

There are some bosses who'd be okay with their employee telling them that if it was actually called for.

Go ahead and think that.


At a previous job, there were times I told bosses off or went against them. They didn't do shit because they knew they'd be making more trouble for themselves than it was worth. I knew exactly what lines I could walk along without stepping over. Besides, they were into shady shit and often demonstrated being on a lower mental level than I am. They let me get away with things because I let them get away with things, and I actually had dirt on them I could use if need be... and that's not even considering my temper and all the time and effort I put into presenting myself as having a screw slightly loose and having no concept of fear or punishment.

Your background gives you a sort of "respect authority indefinitely" mindset. That is the world you know and live in, and that's fine, but the rest of us don't all live there too. Just saying...
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KingCrabCake
09/29/18 7:19:23 PM
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uwnim posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
uwnim posted...
darkjedilink posted...
uwnim posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Lonestar2000 posted...
So why can't the FBI tell Toad dick Trump to fuck off?

Go tell your boss to fuck off, and tell us how that works.

There are some bosses who'd be okay with their employee telling them that if it was actually called for.

Go ahead and think that.

It actually is true. Try getting out into the world more, maybe you'd learn something.

Lmfao
If you talk like that to majority of bosses you will be fired. Try getting out and having a real job.

Herpderp bosses love being told to go fuck off

Try reading. I never claimed it would go over well with most.


Outliers are hardly worth mentioning...try logic
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Solar_Crimson
09/29/18 7:25:32 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
This is totally behavior of an innocence man.

Yeah, it's clear that there actually is something to these allegations, but Trump and his cronies want to push their guy in no matter what.
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uwnim
09/29/18 7:27:42 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...

Outliers are hardly worth mentioning...try logic

There's a difference between an outlier and something that is uncommon.
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