Current Events > Do you believe kavanaugh's accuser?

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stropicss
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Hard to say in our current world sensationalism media
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you're a bad person if you don't
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rikasa posted...

you're a bad person if you don't

Dis
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rikasa posted...

you're a bad person if you don't

why do you say that?
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Nope

The whole thing just screams fake
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This the one from when he was 17?
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I believe in miracles
Where you from
You sexy thing
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yes, obviously

but he's a conservative so he could decapitate a minority on the streets and beg to be executed for his crimes and his base would still say "eh the minority prob deserved it"
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did you dudes believe anita hill in the clarence thomas case?
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All accusations should be taken seriously, but they should also be taken with a grain of salt.
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Paragon21XX posted...

All accusations should be taken seriously, but they should also be taken with a grain of salt.

this guy should be a politician, way to go
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it's a highly credible account, believable from all sides.

if you don't believe her you're simply stating that you will never believe a rape accusation. which makes you a terrible human being.
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I thought it was bullshit political games at first, but then she showed that she actually had therapy records from way before Kavanaugh was a household name. I'm inclined to believe it.
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She should be listened to and taken seriously, sure.

Doesn't mean he's guilty yet as still innocent until proven otherwise. It does all seem very likely it is true though, with the therapy records mentioned, yeah.
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rikasa posted...

it's a highly credible account, believable from all sides.

if you don't believe her you're simply stating that you will never believe a rape accusation. which makes you a terrible human being.

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Funkydog posted...

She should be listened to and taken seriously, sure.

Doesn't mean he's guilty yet as still innocent until proven otherwise. It does all seem very likely it is true though, with the therapy records mentioned, yeah.

I firmly believe an investigation should happen and he not be confirmed yet. We've survived with 8 SCOTUS members before, this can wait if Trump doesn't want to nominate a less checkered candidate.
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I can kinda sorta understand why people would think she's full of shit, but I believe her. She didn't pop up out of nowhere, she has talked about this before, and I understand the emotional motivation to step up at a time like this.

That at least deserves an investigation.
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As I said on the last topic about this, while I can't say I outright believe it, I definitely can't say I outright disbelieve it either. Unlike many of the similar claims in recent times, there's at least evidence to back up the claim it isn't just a political stunt - even if there isn't, as of yet, evidence of outright truth. Basically, I really have no reason to believe either way yet.
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I believe that there is no way any evidence of what allegedly did or did not happen is left to prove anything and all we have are witness statements. I also believe that these accusations showing up now are incredibly convenient for the DNC. Therefore it's not actually about a sexual assault, it's just a last ditch effort to block who is essentially a younger Scalia from taking a post on the Supreme Court and acting as a strong balance to Ginsberg. And that's before looking at any alleged reasons the victim could want for revenge that the right is circulating.

In short, a 30+ year old sexual assault's truth or not isn't relevant in comparison to why it's suddenly showing up now.
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Its obviously made up. Nope.
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I QUADRUPLE believe her.
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CantKeepMeDown posted...

Funkydog posted...

She should be listened to and taken seriously, sure.

Doesn't mean he's guilty yet as still innocent until proven otherwise. It does all seem very likely it is true though, with the therapy records mentioned, yeah.

I firmly believe an investigation should happen and he not be confirmed yet. We've survived with 8 SCOTUS members before, this can wait if Trump doesn't want to nominate a less checkered candidate.

The left is going to checker any human he can possible put forward. Its pretty obvious whats going on, here.
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Payzmaykr posted...

CantKeepMeDown posted...

Funkydog posted...

She should be listened to and taken seriously, sure.

Doesn't mean he's guilty yet as still innocent until proven otherwise. It does all seem very likely it is true though, with the therapy records mentioned, yeah.

I firmly believe an investigation should happen and he not be confirmed yet. We've survived with 8 SCOTUS members before, this can wait if Trump doesn't want to nominate a less checkered candidate.

The left is going to checker any human he can possible put forward. Its pretty obvious whats going on, here.

That's bullshit. No controversies about Gorsuch were taken seriously. Trump should have picked someone who wasn't an attempted rapist
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CantKeepMeDown posted...

Payzmaykr posted...

CantKeepMeDown posted...

Funkydog posted...

She should be listened to and taken seriously, sure.

Doesn't mean he's guilty yet as still innocent until proven otherwise. It does all seem very likely it is true though, with the therapy records mentioned, yeah.

I firmly believe an investigation should happen and he not be confirmed yet. We've survived with 8 SCOTUS members before, this can wait if Trump doesn't want to nominate a less checkered candidate.

The left is going to checker any human he can possible put forward. Its pretty obvious whats going on, here.

That's bullshit. No controversies about Gorsuch were taken seriously. Trump should have picked someone who wasn't an attempted rapist

Trump is also guilty of sexual assault (pussy grabbing). Of course he likes other people like himself. White racist Christian fascists who have sexually assaulted women.

It's credible enough to listen to both sides first, but that doesn't mean I either believe or disbelieve yet.
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At this point a republican committing sexual assault is just not surprising. It would be more surprising if they didn't.
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Tmaster148 posted...

At this point a republican committing sexual assault is just not surprising. It would be more surprising if they didn't.

Your party has more people caught for that. Bill Clinton. Anthony wiener. All very, very powerful people and they werent just accusations. Wiener even sexted children. But we should just forget about them, right?

Part of the reason is why I quit being a democrat was the constant sex scandals and the need to sexuality everything.
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Payzmaykr posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

At this point a republican committing sexual assault is just not surprising. It would be more surprising if they didn't.

Your party has more people caught for that. Bill Clinton. Anthony wiener. All very, very powerful people. But we should just forget about them, right?

Part of the reason is why I quit being a democrat was the constant sex scandals and the need to sexuality everything.

I'm not a democrat. Also nice deflection.
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Here's why I don't believe her:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/09/19/brett-kavanaugh-hearing-dr-christine-blasey-ford-sexual-assault-column/1346536002/

Christine Blasey Ford, doesn't know when or where the attack against her occurred. Ford cant remember the year the incident happened, she cant remember how she got to the house party, or how she got home.

Did she walk there? Did someone drive her there? Did someone drive her home? Did she teleport? Was she drunk? Was there someone who saw her reaction after the incident?

I just can't understand how someone can forgot such basic details as how she got there or how she got home, unless she was completely wasted that night. By saying she can't remember how she got there or how she got home, she can leave out key witnesses that can confirm that she was at this particular party and her reaction on the way home.

This is an accusation without any detail backing up. That's why she's afraid to show up on Monday.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Here's why I don't believe her:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/09/19/brett-kavanaugh-hearing-dr-christine-blasey-ford-sexual-assault-column/1346536002/

Christine Blasey Ford, doesn't know when or where the attack against her occurred. Ford cant remember the year the incident happened, she cant remember how she got to the house party, or how she got home.

Did she walk there? Did someone drive her there? Did someone drive her home? Did she teleport? Was she drunk? Was there someone who saw her reaction after the incident?

I just can't understand how someone can forgot such basic details as how she got there or how she got home, unless she was completely wasted that night. By saying she can't remember how she got there or how she got home, she can leave out key witnesses that can confirm that she was at this particular party and her reaction on the way home.

This is an accusation without any detail backing up. That's why she's afraid to show up on Monday.

Checkmate.

/topic
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I'm more inclined to believe her since we already have Kavanaugh on possibly perjuring himself.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Here's why I don't believe her:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/09/19/brett-kavanaugh-hearing-dr-christine-blasey-ford-sexual-assault-column/1346536002/

Christine Blasey Ford, doesn't know when or where the attack against her occurred. Ford can?t remember the year the incident happened, she can?t remember how she got to the house party, or how she got home.

Did she walk there? Did someone drive her there? Did someone drive her home? Did she teleport? Was she drunk? Was there someone who saw her reaction after the incident?

I just can't understand how someone can forgot such basic details as how she got there or how she got home, unless she was completely wasted that night. By saying she can't remember how she got there or how she got home, she can leave out key witnesses that can confirm that she was at this particular party and her reaction on the way home.

This is an accusation without any detail backing up. That's why she's afraid to show up on Monday.

She probably was drunk, but that provides nothing for your narrative. I've had probably hundreds of instances of being somewhere I don't remember going to where I also don't remember leaving... but if anything jarring happened in between, I do remember. I remember a friend of a friend throwing an open McDonald's ranch cup at me when we were in the car. I have no idea where we had been prior to that and I don't remember going to McDonald's or what I got if I got something there. I don't remember the rest of the night after that. I remember the ranch cup. I remember it getting on my leather jacket. I remember him and the others in the car laughing and I was like "The fuck, dude? Don't get sauce on my jacket" but not being angry per se and just wiping it off with napkins.

That's not jarring even. That's just an unexpected detail of a night that occurred during extended intoxication.

Those moments stand out. They are the ones where you have the clarity passing through the eye of a storm and things go from comfortable blur to unsettlingly real. Something like... being almost raped and fearing for your life would epitomize the memory-sparking trauma-induced adrenaline "sobering up" instances.

You want to pounce on the concept of her quite possibly or even probably being drunk as a means to discredit her, but the angle you're playing hurts you and makes you appear to have a strong lack of knowledge on the subject of which you speak.
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Payzmaykr posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Here's why I don't believe her:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/09/19/brett-kavanaugh-hearing-dr-christine-blasey-ford-sexual-assault-column/1346536002/

Christine Blasey Ford, doesn't know when or where the attack against her occurred. Ford can?t remember the year the incident happened, she can?t remember how she got to the house party, or how she got home.

Did she walk there? Did someone drive her there? Did someone drive her home? Did she teleport? Was she drunk? Was there someone who saw her reaction after the incident?

I just can't understand how someone can forgot such basic details as how she got there or how she got home, unless she was completely wasted that night. By saying she can't remember how she got there or how she got home, she can leave out key witnesses that can confirm that she was at this particular party and her reaction on the way home.

This is an accusation without any detail backing up. That's why she's afraid to show up on Monday.

Checkmate.

/topic

And look at you and that little post there. Honestly, I don't think you should have done thag.
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rikasa posted...

it's a highly credible account, believable from all sides.

if you don't believe her you're simply stating that you will never believe a rape accusation. which makes you a terrible human being.

She wants the FBI to investigate it, even though its not a federal matter. Doesn't want to answer questions, and the timing screams of liberal lunacy.
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I don't believe anything one way or the other, although based on there being evidence of her speaking about it years ago I'd definitely say it's more likely than not that he did it
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

She probably was drunk, but that provides nothing for your narrative. I've had probably hundreds of instances of being somewhere I don't remember going to where I also don't remember leaving... but if anything jarring happened in between, I do remember. I remember a friend of a friend throwing an open McDonald's ranch cup at me when we were in the car. I have no idea where we had been prior to that and I don't remember going to McDonald's or what I got if I got something there. I don't remember the rest of the night after that. I remember the ranch cup. I remember it getting on my leather jacket. I remember him and the others in the car laughing and I was like "The f***, dude? Don't get sauce on my jacket" but not being angry per se and just wiping it off with napkins.

That's not jarring even. That's just an unexpected detail of a night that occurred during extended intoxication.

Those moments stand out. They are the ones where you have the clarity passing through the eye of a storm and things go from comfortable blur to unsettlingly real. Something like... being almost raped and fearing for your life would epitomize the memory-sparking trauma-induced adrenaline "sobering up" instances.

You want to pounce on the concept of her quite possibly or even probably being drunk as a means to discredit her, but the angle you're playing hurts you and makes you appear to have a strong lack of knowledge on the subject of which you speak.

I'm quite aware of where I'm getting at. If she was drunk at this party, and she will be asked this question, and she will have to answer honestly, her credibility will take a huge hit. If she said she was heavily intoxicated, it will throw her entire testimony into doubt. Who's to say there wasn't a case of mistaken identity? I mean she may have been drunk before she got there and was wasted when she left.

The reality is that she's afraid of these questions will be asked. If she said she wasn't intoxicated, and she forget all the key details, her testimony becomes unreliable. If she said she was intoxicated (at age 15) before and after the party, and she forgot the key details, her testimony becomes reliable.

She's not in a good position no matter how she answers. Maybe someone did tried to take advantage of her, and maybe that person wasn't Kavanaugh. Maybe she had a crush on Kavanaugh and imagined all of this in her drunken state, since she can't even remember the day it happened.
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muchdran posted...

rikasa posted...

it's a highly credible account, believable from all sides.

if you don't believe her you're simply stating that you will never believe a rape accusation. which makes you a terrible human being.

She wants the FBI to investigate it, even though its not a federal matter. Doesn't want to answer questions, and the timing screams of liberal lunacy.

The two things are not mutually exclusive. It's entirely possible that the timing is political, but the event did actually happen. And as I mentioned, unlike the majority of these accusations against Republicans, there's evidence to - at the very least - suggest that the victim genuinely believes they're a victim. There's records of her discussing the matter with therapists long before any hint of Kavanaugh becoming a Supreme Court justice, for example.

Honestly, I suspect this is going to become one of those cases where neither side's story is ever proven true.
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There's an itty bitty room for doubt like maybe it was someone else and a case of mistaken identity, but as it stand more or less I believe it yeah.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

She probably was drunk, but that provides nothing for your narrative. I've had probably hundreds of instances of being somewhere I don't remember going to where I also don't remember leaving... but if anything jarring happened in between, I do remember. I remember a friend of a friend throwing an open McDonald's ranch cup at me when we were in the car. I have no idea where we had been prior to that and I don't remember going to McDonald's or what I got if I got something there. I don't remember the rest of the night after that. I remember the ranch cup. I remember it getting on my leather jacket. I remember him and the others in the car laughing and I was like "The f***, dude? Don't get sauce on my jacket" but not being angry per se and just wiping it off with napkins.

That's not jarring even. That's just an unexpected detail of a night that occurred during extended intoxication.

Those moments stand out. They are the ones where you have the clarity passing through the eye of a storm and things go from comfortable blur to unsettlingly real. Something like... being almost raped and fearing for your life would epitomize the memory-sparking trauma-induced adrenaline "sobering up" instances.

You want to pounce on the concept of her quite possibly or even probably being drunk as a means to discredit her, but the angle you're playing hurts you and makes you appear to have a strong lack of knowledge on the subject of which you speak.

I'm quite aware of where I'm getting at. If she was drunk at this party, and she will be asked this question, and she will have to answer honestly, her credibility will take a huge hit. If she said she was heavily intoxicated, it will throw her entire testimony into doubt. Who's to say there wasn't a case of mistaken identity? I mean she may have been drunk before she got there and was wasted when she left.

The reality is that she's afraid of these questions will be asked. If she said she wasn't intoxicated, and she forget all the key details, her testimony becomes unreliable. If she said she was intoxicated (at age 15) before and after the party, and she forgot the key details, her testimony becomes reliable.

She's not in a good position no matter how she answers. Maybe someone did tried to take advantage of her, and maybe that person wasn't Kavanaugh. Maybe she had a crush on Kavanaugh and imagined all of this in her drunken state, since she can't even remember the day it happened.

Mistaken identity might be plausible, the rest sounds a bit iffy really...
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DarkTransient posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

She probably was drunk, but that provides nothing for your narrative. I've had probably hundreds of instances of being somewhere I don't remember going to where I also don't remember leaving... but if anything jarring happened in between, I do remember. I remember a friend of a friend throwing an open McDonald's ranch cup at me when we were in the car. I have no idea where we had been prior to that and I don't remember going to McDonald's or what I got if I got something there. I don't remember the rest of the night after that. I remember the ranch cup. I remember it getting on my leather jacket. I remember him and the others in the car laughing and I was like "The f***, dude? Don't get sauce on my jacket" but not being angry per se and just wiping it off with napkins.

That's not jarring even. That's just an unexpected detail of a night that occurred during extended intoxication.

Those moments stand out. They are the ones where you have the clarity passing through the eye of a storm and things go from comfortable blur to unsettlingly real. Something like... being almost raped and fearing for your life would epitomize the memory-sparking trauma-induced adrenaline "sobering up" instances.

You want to pounce on the concept of her quite possibly or even probably being drunk as a means to discredit her, but the angle you're playing hurts you and makes you appear to have a strong lack of knowledge on the subject of which you speak.

I'm quite aware of where I'm getting at. If she was drunk at this party, and she will be asked this question, and she will have to answer honestly, her credibility will take a huge hit. If she said she was heavily intoxicated, it will throw her entire testimony into doubt. Who's to say there wasn't a case of mistaken identity? I mean she may have been drunk before she got there and was wasted when she left.

The reality is that she's afraid of these questions will be asked. If she said she wasn't intoxicated, and she forget all the key details, her testimony becomes unreliable. If she said she was intoxicated (at age 15) before and after the party, and she forgot the key details, her testimony becomes reliable.

She's not in a good position no matter how she answers. Maybe someone did tried to take advantage of her, and maybe that person wasn't Kavanaugh. Maybe she had a crush on Kavanaugh and imagined all of this in her drunken state, since she can't even remember the day it happened.

Mistaken identity might be plausible, the rest sounds a bit iffy really...

That's why she needs to go to DC and tell her side of the story. The fact that she said she doesn't remember how she got there or how she got home is a huge hole in her story.

Someone should have come forward by now and said "Yes, I drove her there and I drove her home". And no one has come forward... no friend, no family, nobody. Strange, don't you think? Maybe she wasn't drunk... maybe she was lying.
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Yes, but only because everyone that Trump supports tends to be scum
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The fact that it was so long ago and that there isn't any evidence other than her word against his is not enough proof to deny his confirmation, IMO. In general, the people who want him denied because of this are people who already didn't want him on the SCOTUS.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

the people who want him denied because of this are people who already didn't want him on the SCOTUS.

So what?
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Sativa_Rose posted...

The fact that it was so long ago and that there isn't any evidence other than her word against his is not enough proof to deny his confirmation, IMO. In general, the people who want him denied because of this are people who already didn't want him on the SCOTUS.

Put it this way. If the accusations are proven true, I definitely don't think he should be on there. And it's worth investigating before confirming him, given that there's reason to believe it's not just a spur-of-the-moment thing made up for a political stunt (yes, the timing may be a political stunt, but that doesn't have any impact on the truthfulness of the claim itself).

However, it absoutely should not be handled on the basis of "guilty until proven innocent". Unless it's proven or he confesses, there's not much that can be done.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Here's why I don't believe her:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/09/19/brett-kavanaugh-hearing-dr-christine-blasey-ford-sexual-assault-column/1346536002/

Christine Blasey Ford, doesn't know when or where the attack against her occurred. Ford cant remember the year the incident happened, she cant remember how she got to the house party, or how she got home.

Did she walk there? Did someone drive her there? Did someone drive her home? Did she teleport? Was she drunk? Was there someone who saw her reaction after the incident?

I just can't understand how someone can forgot such basic details as how she got there or how she got home, unless she was completely wasted that night. By saying she can't remember how she got there or how she got home, she can leave out key witnesses that can confirm that she was at this particular party and her reaction on the way home.

This is an accusation without any detail backing up. That's why she's afraid to show up on Monday.

This is why I have a hard time believing this is anything other then an attempt at stalling the process. If something that happened was that traumatic she would remember a little bit more then that. I would be interested in seeing what the therapist has information wise from their sessions.

Also, if she did have a sober up moment from the event did she get drunk again to forget everything that happened afterwards including getting a ride home? Typically once adrenaline hits you don't go back to being completely intoxicated and forgetting everything.
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I was told she didn't actually want to come forward though. it was leaked.
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catboy0_0 posted...

I was told she didn't actually want to come forward though. it was leaked.

That's another factor that lends more credibility to this case than the average one, really.
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Yes but it also happened when they were both teenagers. It really shouldn't effect his life now.
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I don't have a reason to not believe as false rape claims destroying innocent lives is a rare occurrence and not the norm. But I also don't believe it just because the accusation is out there. Time will tell.
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