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If white privilege is real why doesn't Kaepernick identify as white?
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Not really.
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SuperMedz3 posted...

If white privilege is real why doesn't Kaepernick identify as white?

can you imagine him trying to come out as "White?" lolololol, not with that fro. that fro is threatening to certain types.
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White privilege rhetoric is just a Trojan horse for the redistribution of wealth and eventually the forced seizure of private property, assets, and earned wealth. We've seen this in multiple other countries where this type of rhetoric became more prominent than it is in America, and there's already been people hinting to this goal in America as well. (I'm reminded of that BLM leader in that leoweekly article where she says what white people should do with their wealth when they die)
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SuperMedz3 posted...

If white privilege is real why doesn't Kaepernick identify as white?

Would people let him?
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Taharqa_ posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Taharqa_ posted...

I see a lot of recoiling at the mere thought of the words 'white privilege'. So 350 years of colonial America and the US enacting laws that literally gave white people legal status above all persons of color = no form of residual intergenerational advantage from these past practices and attitudes that persist in mainstream society today? Do you guys think that all of the paleo-racists died off or had a Care Bear style change of heart in 1964?

Most white people start their professional lives with nothing and don't inherit any amount of money or property. So this argument is horse shit and has always been horse shit. There are certainly black people who had a terrible life because of systemic racism even throughout and beyond the Jim Crow years, but no one born today experiences that. And while someone's grandparents or great grandparents suffered and never advanced far because of racism, it's not any different than how my parents and grandparents grew up as destitute farmers in a third world country that collapsed because of communism.

There is this thing called the intergenerational transmission of inequality. Jim Crow did not occur in a vacuum, the legacy of those discriminatory practices were transferred to later generations. It controlled where people lived, what kind of job they could get which also had an impact on income, nearly every portion of their public life and the North was just as aggressive in enforcing discrimination laws, especially with their redlining practices. My parents were among the first to integrate into their middle school and had to face angry white mobs every day going into school like Ruby Bridges who is not much older than they are, and this was in 1968. In my hometown police still kept blacks on their side of the tracks and not in the white side of town well into the 70s. There are school districts that were desegregating well into the 90s. Aside from the indignity of 'separate but equal' it was the blatant economic theft that also had a far reaching impact.

Things didn't just become equal after Jim Crow went away. 350+ years of racial attitudes did not just go away in the aether after the signing of legislation. Systemic racism doesn't exist 'on paper' today as in "negroes can't do this or that" but the execution of certain laws most certainly target certain groups (i.e voter ID laws), or the obvious disparity in the criminal justice system. It doesn't matter what the writing says, the intent and effect is there. These institutions are made up of individuals, therefore it's systemic. These instances do no happen in a vacuum.

Those things don't occur with any more frequency than demonstrable bias against whites occurs (in hiring practices, in college admissions/scholarships, etc). I mean, unless you're in the deep south I'm not convinced that there's any real persistent issue resembling those things anymore.

And your parents faced those terrible things - my parents faced destitution, virtually no schooling, malnutrition, and fear every day thanks to communism. (Until they moved here and started with absolutely nothing)

And you completely ignored the reality that most white people do not receive an inheritance or start out with money or assets. That is why Bernie Sanders was so popular. The idea that black people need 350+ years of preferential treatment to "catch up" to whites in wealth is demonstrably false, especially when you consider the black immigrants who, like my parents, came here with nothing and worked their way up.
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not white so no
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Antifar posted...

SuperMedz3 posted...

If white privilege is real why doesn't Kaepernick identify as white?

Would people let him?

Yes because he has white privilege
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If your mom is white privilege, then i feel it every night.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

White privilege rhetoric is just a Trojan horse for the redistribution of wealth and eventually the forced seizure of private property, assets, and earned wealth. We've seen this in multiple other countries where this type of rhetoric became more prominent than it is in America, and there's already been people hinting to this goal in America as well. (I'm reminded of that BLM leader in that leoweekly article where she says what white people should do with their wealth when they die)

no, White Privilege is not an agenda to redistribute wealth. it's acknowledgement of a system that prioritized White people as a "race" over others, in often debilitating ways, in America. not all "White" people were even considered White until the team needed a couple drafts picks to raise number. and nobody ever said that it means all White people were entitled some type of royal treatment.

if you're not using the term White Privilege the way Peggy McIntosh presented it, you're using it wrong.

the fact is that this term is intentionally misconstrued by people who are presenting disingenuous arguments. we can't have honest discussions because people are emotionally attached to certain ideas and have already dedicated to being the one to "convince/defeat the other side."

rather than be receptive to "new" information, some would rather completely misrepresent an argument and respond with disruptive tactics like ad hominem, straw man and whatever obtuseness to avoid the context and nuance.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Those things don't occur with any more frequency than demonstrable bias against whites occurs (in hiring practices, in college admissions/scholarships, etc). I mean, unless you're in the deep south I'm not convinced that there's any real persistent issue resembling those things anymore.

Bias against whites in hiring practices? A white person with a criminal record has a better chance of getting hired than a black person that doesn't. College admissions? They probably got pushed out by another white applicant. They also have all sorts of scholarships if you look hard enough. Racism and discrimination is not only a product of the deep south, it's a problem everywhere.

And your parents faced those terrible things - my parents faced destitution, virtually no schooling, malnutrition, and fear every day thanks to communism. (Until they moved here and started with absolutely nothing)

And you completely ignored the reality that most white people do not receive an inheritance or start out with money or assets. That is why Bernie Sanders was so popular. The idea that black people need 350+ years of preferential treatment to "catch up" to whites in wealth is demonstrably false, especially when you consider the black immigrants who, like my parents, came here with nothing and worked their way up.

The wealth gap between white and black America is big, it's real and like I said the discriminatory practices of the past had a lot to do with it. It does not mean that every single white family is balling like old money however they were not redlined or excluded from the benefits of programs like the GI Bill that was the vehicle for the huge growth of the middle class back in the day.

I did not say that black folks need 350+ years of preferential treatment to catch up to whites, that's a strawman. I DO say that those past 350 years have had a negative effect on the wealth building portfolio of blacks, that is a fact. It's like a relay race where one group is held back for 5 laps while another has had a head start and is 5 laps ahead. The group that was held back has to be that much better to just begin to catch up. Black immigrants (especially Africans) that come here for the most part are a select group of people, many of them have a high level of education and they usually aren't blue collar workers. Their history in this country is completely different from ours, black Americans have had to scrap and fight for civil rights for decades.
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Bias against whites in hiring practices? A white person with a criminal record has a better chance of getting hired than a black person that doesn't.

This is probably just because a criminal record may no longer carry as much negative stigma as it once used to, due to society thinking differently of inmates.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/22/criminal-record-employment_n_5372837.html

A conservative estimate puts the total number of Americans with convictions at 70 million. If it's even a bit higher, a significant portion of that will be white Americans. So looser attitudes towards convictions and the fact that most people in America have been white for a long time are likely the cause, not racism.

College admissions? They probably got pushed out by another white applicant. They also have all sorts of scholarships if you look hard enough. Racism and discrimination is not only a product of the deep south, it's a problem everywhere.

You have an easier time getting into the college of your choice if you are black. Harder time if you are white, and even harder time if you are Asian. This is due to bias at the application and admissions level.

The wealth gap between white and black America is big, it's real and like I said the discriminatory practices of the past had a lot to do with it. It does not mean that every single white family is balling like old money however they were not redlined or excluded from the benefits of programs like the GI Bill that was the vehicle for the huge growth of the middle class back in the day.

I did not say that black folks need 350+ years of preferential treatment to catch up to whites, that's a strawman. I DO say that those past 350 years have had a negative effect on the wealth building portfolio of blacks, that is a fact. It's like a relay race where one group is held back for 5 laps while another has had a head start and is 5 laps ahead. The group that was held back has to be that much better to just begin to catch up.

Those things certainly affected black people in the past, but how prevalent are they today? How come you haven't mentioned a single damn thing about personal responsibility? What about single motherhood? Repeated convictions that lead to lengthy jail sentences? Those things are both choices.

What about how much time black millennials spend watching television?

https://blavity.com/nielsen-just-released-report-black-millennials-heres-everything-need-know

Almost 33 hours per week. Of course your wealth accumulation would suffer if you're spending almost as much time watching television as you do working. And this is true for white millennials too, by the way - wealth accumulation slows down a lot for the people who waste a lot of their time watching television, who have children out of wedlock, and who don't learn useful / relevant skills.

And black incomes have been skyrocketing.

http://www.ethnifacts.com/Nielsen-African-American-Consumer-Report-Oct-2016.pdf

"African-Americans have shown strong income growth
over the last decade. The percentage of Black households with annual
incomes over $100,000 increased from 7% in 2004 to 12% in 2014, and
the percentage increase in the number of African-American households
making $50,000 or more per year has been greater for African-Americans
than it has for the nation as a whole, with the number of Black
households with incomes between $50,000 and $75,000 increasing 18%
between 2004 and 2014, compared to 2% for the total U.S. The share of
those households with an income under $25,000 declined from 43% in
2004 to 37% of the total African-American population in 2014."

Edit: This is from the 2016 data. 2017 and 2018 data showed similar consistent gains in income and education.
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Black immigrants (especially Africans) that come here for the most part are a select group of people, many of them have a high level of education and they usually aren't blue collar workers. Their history in this country is completely different from ours, black Americans have had to scrap and fight for civil rights for decades.

This is nonsense. A significant number of black immigrants come here with no financial resources beyond what they have in their back pocket. And not just black immigrants, mind you, but many other races too. And they succeed at higher rates even when they have comparable education to what we have and even when they start out with less or equal money. This is because of culture.

The black community in America has a disproportionate problem with single motherhood and father convictions compared to the black communities that recently immigrated here / the children of black parents who immigrated to America. It's a cultural thing, not a racial thing, that keeps some populations back.

Considering the rate at which black incomes have increased (faster than anyone else's) and how black women make up the biggest number of college graduates (since earlier this year IIRC), I'm really not sure how you can say with a straight face that the black community experiences any form of "systemic" racism that is in any way comparable to anything people in the past had to endure.

And certainly not any more extreme than the hardships my white-skinned parents experienced under communism in Romania, yet you'd probably say some bull shit about how they're privileged because of their skin color, blah blah blah. White privilege rhetoric is a racist joke.
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@Taharqa_

You need to read Disparities and Discrimination by Thomas Sowell. It'll blow your mind. I'd even pay for your copy. I already paid for @Kineth to buy a copy so he can vouch that I'm serious about that.

And if you aren't going to read it, go look at the Nielsen data from the last several years. And then come back and tell me with a straight face that there's systemic racism against blacks in America as a whole. *eyeroll*
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Black immigrants (especially Africans) that come here for the most part are a select group of people, many of them have a high level of education and they usually aren't blue collar workers. Their history in this country is completely different from ours, black Americans have had to scrap and fight for civil rights for decades.

This is nonsense. A significant number of black immigrants come here with no financial resources beyond what they have in their back pocket. And not just black immigrants, mind you, but many other races too. And they succeed at higher rates even when they have comparable education to what we have and even when they start out with less or equal money. This is because of culture.

The black community in America has a disproportionate problem with single motherhood and father convictions compared to the black communities that recently immigrated here / the children of black parents who immigrated to America. It's a cultural thing, not a racial thing, that keeps some populations back.

Considering the rate at which black incomes have increased (faster than anyone else's) and how black women make up the biggest number of college graduates (since earlier this year IIRC), I'm really not sure how you can say with a straight face that the black community experiences any form of "systemic" racism that is in any way comparable to anything people in the past had to endure.

And certainly not any more extreme than the hardships my white-skinned parents experienced under communism in Romania, yet you'd probably say some bull shit about how they're privileged because of their skin color, blah blah blah. White privilege rhetoric is a racist joke.

Privilege, yes.

Nobody tells them to go back to their shithole country, nor do they tell them there is something inherently wrong because Romania is a hellhole so therefore people like them build shithole countries. And they dont have to worry about 45 supporters going full MAGA on them because of their skin color

FLUFFYGERM posted...

@Taharqa_

You need to read Disparities and Discrimination by Thomas Sowell. It'll blow your mind. I'd even pay for your copy. I already paid for @Kineth to buy a copy so he can vouch that I'm serious about that.

And if you aren't going to read it, go look at the Nielsen data from the last several years. And then come back and tell me with a straight face that there's systemic racism against blacks in America as a whole. *eyeroll*

There's no systemic racism yet we have Voter ID laws that conveniently target black areas in southern states making it harder to vote. No systemic racism yet black offenders are given harsher sentences than white offenders and more likely to go to prison for similar offenses. No systemic racism yet white men with recent criminal histories are far more likely to receive calls back than black men with no criminal record at all. No systemic racism yet employers lose their mind if a black woman or man decides to wear their natural hair. Do you think that racism are isolated events or something? That they happen in a vacuum? Like I said earlier, people comprise of these systems.

https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/05/african-americans-with-college-degrees-are-twice-as-likely-to-be-unemployed-as-other-graduates/430971/

https://hbr.org/2017/10/hiring-discrimination-against-black-americans-hasnt-declined-in-25-years

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/09/you-really-can-get-pulled-over-for-driving-while-black-federal-statistics-show/?utm_term=.5abf11232627

You mentioned why I didn't talk about "personal responsibility", I'd be glad to talk about that actually if you'd be willing to consider that just maybe there is also a systemic issue with society as a whole, unless you think it's just a defect of black American culture as the lion's share of the cause and not the other factors.
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i have before when dealing with the police. that's the only time it was so in my face.
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Balrog0 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

And while someone's grandparents or great grandparents suffered and never advanced far because of racism, it's not any different than how my parents and grandparents grew up as destitute farmers in a third world country that collapsed because of communism.

@FLUFFYGERM I agree that it really isn't different. How many people in your parents and grandparents communities managed to be as successful as your parents and grandparents are or were? How are their offspring faring? I'm assuming you and yours are an exception and not the rule of what happened to those folks in that destitute area?

did I ever get a response? seems this was ignored unless I missed something
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there's more than one post he's not responding to, like #111, and it's intentional. if he can't use the term properly, he shouldn't be using it period. but his entire narrative is based on a disingenuous argument.

there's no way he can properly respond without looking even more confused and out of place.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

@ Taharqa_

You need to read Disparities and Discrimination by Thomas Sowell. It'll blow your mind. I'd even pay for your copy. I already paid for @ Kineth to buy a copy so he can vouch that I'm serious about that.

And if you aren't going to read it, go look at the Nielsen data from the last several years. And then come back and tell me with a straight face that there's systemic racism against blacks in America as a whole. *eyeroll*

There is systemic racism against blacks. You should ask Taharqa what his job is because it relates to studying this exact thing.
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...and he was never heard from again.
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the point is white privilege is over

a poor white person doesn't have privileges over a poor black person

and theres nothing stopping either from improving their lives
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lifeamovie posted...

the point is white privilege is over

I'm pretty sure your point was that it never existed so I don't know why you're doubling down on being disingenuous.
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Kineth posted...

lifeamovie posted...

the point is white privilege is over

I'm pretty sure your point was that it never existed so I don't know why you're doubling down on being disingenuous.

it might have existed in the past, but you there is none today

can you point to places where blacks are being told no?

what markets are conspiring to keep black people out?

please share
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there's a pattern with certain demographics... something doesn't exist until they think it's past tense, then they finally admit that there may have been an issue way back when, but not anymore.

basically keep denying it until it's "old news," but never acknowledge present events as true.
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lifeamovie posted...

Kineth posted...

lifeamovie posted...

the point is white privilege is over

I'm pretty sure your point was that it never existed so I don't know why you're doubling down on being disingenuous.

it might have existed in the past, but you there is none today

can you point to places where blacks are being told no?

what markets are conspiring to keep black people out?

please share

Right here in this very discussion.
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Kineth posted...

lifeamovie posted...

Kineth posted...

lifeamovie posted...

the point is white privilege is over

I'm pretty sure your point was that it never existed so I don't know why you're doubling down on being disingenuous.

it might have existed in the past, but you there is none today

can you point to places where blacks are being told no?

what markets are conspiring to keep black people out?

please share

Right here in this very discussion.

who is keeping black people out of this topic?
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its that damn the man
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SuperMedz3 posted...

Kineth posted...

lifeamovie posted...

Kineth posted...

lifeamovie posted...

the point is white privilege is over

I'm pretty sure your point was that it never existed so I don't know why you're doubling down on being disingenuous.

it might have existed in the past, but you there is none today

can you point to places where blacks are being told no?

what markets are conspiring to keep black people out?

please share

Right here in this very discussion.

who is keeping black people out of this topic?

How about you ask who's telling black people no in this topic and you'll understand my post better.

And the marketplace of ideas is also where y'all are attempting to keep black people out of.

lifeamovie posted...

its that damn the man

Gravity is a myth. It's the man that's keeping us down.
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white privilege is the privilege of being called a racist by someone who knows nothing about you expect for the color of your skin
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SuperMedz3 posted...

white privilege is the privilege of being called a racist by someone who knows nothing about you expect for the color of your skin

get educated.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

SuperMedz3 posted...

white privilege is the privilege of being called a racist by someone who knows nothing about you expect for the color of your skin

get educated.

Considering how he asked a question and then ignored the answer, that's literally impossible for him.
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Kineth posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

SuperMedz3 posted...

white privilege is the privilege of being called a racist by someone who knows nothing about you expect for the color of your skin

get educated.

Considering how he asked a question and then ignored the answer, that's literally impossible for him.

Sorry. Did not know I had to respond to an answer.

How about you ask who's telling black people no in this topic and you'll understand my post better.
To everyone who is saying no in this topic who is keeping black people out of this topic?
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Not really? Maybe I'm just ignorant to it though.

SuperMedz3 posted...

To everyone who is saying no in this topic who is keeping black people out of this topic?

I don't think you understood either of my posts. Could you rephrase your response as I assume you're asking me. If you aren't then you're literally excluding me from the discussion and are answering your own question.
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Kineth posted...

SuperMedz3 posted...

To everyone who is saying no in this topic who is keeping black people out of this topic?

I don't think you understood either of my posts. Could you rephrase your response as I assume you're asking me. If you aren't then you're literally excluding me from the discussion and are answering your own question.

I am just wondering who is keeping black people from this topic
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Preservation bump. Gonna respond to post #117 with some observations that I think are fascinating/interesting. Hoping it will be a stimulating conversation, and I'm going to respond in good faith and with the hope that it'll be a good conversation.
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SuperMedz3 posted...

Kineth posted...

SuperMedz3 posted...

To everyone who is saying no in this topic who is keeping black people out of this topic?

I don't think you understood either of my posts. Could you rephrase your response as I assume you're asking me. If you aren't then you're literally excluding me from the discussion and are answering your own question.

I am just wondering who is keeping black people from this topic

lmao, who stated that? post #?

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Preservation bump. Gonna respond to post #117 with some observations that I think are fascinating/interesting. Hoping it will be a stimulating conversation, and I'm going to respond in good faith and with the hope that it'll be a good conversation.

hopefully you have the integrity to be genuine in your response, with careful consideration for context and nuance.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

lmao, who stated that? post #?

Kineth posted...

lifeamovie posted...

Kineth posted...

lifeamovie posted...

the point is white privilege is over

I'm pretty sure your point was that it never existed so I don't know why you're doubling down on being disingenuous.

it might have existed in the past, but you there is none today

can you point to places where blacks are being told no?

what markets are conspiring to keep black people out?

please share

Right here in this very discussion.

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SuperMedz3 posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

lmao, who stated that? post #?

Kineth posted...

lifeamovie posted...

Kineth posted...

lifeamovie posted...

the point is white privilege is over

I'm pretty sure your point was that it never existed so I don't know why you're doubling down on being disingenuous.

it might have existed in the past, but you there is none today

can you point to places where blacks are being told no?

what markets are conspiring to keep black people out?

please share

Right here in this very discussion.

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you think he may be referring to the people in this topic who are known to be against things like... peaceful protest amongst Blacks but also have no problem with marching White supremacists?

or do you think he had a whole different point in mind?
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Alright I'm really tired but don't wanna leave anyone hanging after I said I'd respond.

There's no systemic racism yet we have Voter ID laws that conveniently target black areas in southern states making it harder to vote.

Requiring an ID in order to vote sounds reasonable to me. And voter ID laws also affect the elderly, because the elderly tend to have less available forms of identification. Especially the specific forms required in the states/districts that require identification prior to voting. Given that most of those elderly voters are going to vote conservatively, it's evident that voter ID laws disenfranchise GOP voters too. So I can't say that expecting identification is in itself racist.

What I can consider racist is the uneven application of voter ID laws, by intentionally restricting the availability of places to get an ID from. But I'm not convinced that this is a systemic issue rather than something that happens in just the deepest pockets of the red states or in isolated towns. You wouldn't draw any generalized conclusion about systemic racism from this because imo there's not enough evidence/occurrence, and when it does occur it's impact isn't necessarily just against black people.

No systemic racism yet black offenders are given harsher sentences than white offenders and more likely to go to prison for similar offenses.

I spent quite a bit of time looking at most of the USSC report on this. It is demonstrably NOT a matter of white privilege, since throughout most of the major periods that were examined Latino men got lighter sentences than white men. Is this an example of Latino privilege? And in virtually every period and case, women of all skin colors got substantially lower sentences than white men. So is it female privilege? And in many (most?) cases, black women got lighter sentences than white women did relative to white men. So is it black female privilege?

It's also a complex issue in terms of black male vs white male, too, because the data is not immediately pointing to one or the other. For example, the report talked about how black males were most often hit by cocaine laws which used to carry substantial sentences. While it doesn't think reductions in cocaine sentencing in recent years has produced a notable effect on lowering the disparity, factors like it can potentially influence the disparity.

And the report repeatedly mentioned that multivariate analysis is not perfect by any means. There can be many factors that we do not have data for or that we do not know of yet. From the report:
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"In its prior reports, 41 the Commission noted that results from its
analyses should be taken with caution. Although regression analysis is
a tool commonly used by social scientists, as well as in a variety of legal
contexts, to examine the relationship between multiple factors, 42 it has
limitations. In particular, one or more key factors that could affect the
analysis may have been omitted from the methodologies used because
a particular factor is unknown, or because data about it is not readily
available.

For example, judges may consider potentially relevant
information available to them in a presentence report, such as an
offenders employment history or family circumstances. However,
the Commission does not routinely extract this information from the
sentencing documents it receives and, therefore, data about those
factors are not controlled for in this analysis. Additionally, judges may
make decisions about sentencing offenders based on other legitimate
considerations that cannot be measured.

Because multivariate regression analysis cannot control for all of
the factors that judges may consider, the results of the analyses presented
in this report should be interpreted with caution and should not be taken
to suggest discrimination on the part of judges. Multivariate analysis
cannot explain why the observed differences in sentencing outcomes
exist, but only that they do exist."

Some examples: One of the biggest factors that may be influencing these disparities is the likelihood of receiving a non-government
sponsored below range sentence. The problem is that it's really hard to measure this.
Often times we don't even know if someone who did not get it was even eligible to get it in the first place.
Since this can potentially explain the disparities between black male and white male sentencing, we should be cautious with our conclusions.

We also have no data on which offenders had the opportunity to accept a plea deal and chose not to. Etc. One thing is clear, though. This cannot be an example of white privilege or systemic racism, by definition, because if that was the case Latino men would not have repeated occurrences of lighter or equal sentences to white men. And black women would not have consistently lower sentences than white men.

It might be a better example of sexism rather than racism, because the women consistently got far lighter sentences for the same crimes. And black women often got lighter sentences than the white women.

No systemic racism yet white men with recent criminal histories are far more likely to receive calls back than black men with no criminal record at all.

I'm not sure I buy this, considering the Nielsen data I referenced earlier.

No systemic racism yet employers lose their mind if a black woman or man decides to wear their natural hair.

Literally never heard of this happening.
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Do you think that racism are isolated events or something? That they happen in a vacuum? Like I said earlier, people comprise of these systems.

They are absolutely isolated events. I am not convinced that there is any strong data or evidence to show that the system actively conspires against black people. It certainly did in America's history, but today? No way. There's way too many examples of how that reasoning falls short. If that was true, why do black women get much lighter sentences than white men and usually even white women? If that was true, how do you explain the very detailed Nielsen data from recent years that shows the trends in black earnings, black educational attainment, etc?

You mentioned why I didn't talk about "personal responsibility", I'd be glad to talk about that actually if you'd be willing to consider that just maybe there is also a systemic issue with society as a whole, unless you think it's just a defect of black American culture as the lion's share of the cause and not the other factors.

What do you think, objectively, is going to influence a young black person's future in America today more? Disparities in crime sentencing, or single motherhood? What about the amount of television black millennials (and white millennials) are watching each day? (An obscene # of hours, as already mentioned.)

Given how the disparities in white male vs black male sentencing have varied over the years and groups that were surveyed, and given how unlikely it is for anyone who is keeping their nose clean to get sentenced for something...I'm going to argue that single motherhood, time wasted with drugs/television, etc, are factors holding back some members of the black community in America. And also everyone else who experiences those things. When you eliminate these things in the black community, you get the trends seen in the Nielsen data. Stronger families, higher educational attainment, stable employment, etc.

Personal responsibility is almost entirely the key to the conversation, yet you didn't mention it at all. Not even a single bit. To me, that suggests that you've already made up your mind that it's the system, the white man, etc. I'd say that disparities are not necessarily evidence of discrimination, and the specific examples you mentioned are almost obviously not examples of white privilege once we actually look a bit deeper and read the reports involved, etc.

I'd like your explanation for the Nielsen data I supplied btw.
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Kineth posted...

How about you ask who's telling black people no in this topic and you'll understand my post better.

And the marketplace of ideas is also where y'all are attempting to keep black people out of.

Not immediately agreeing with whatever you say isn't an example of white privilege. Just like not immediately agreeing with whatever you say doesn't mean that white people "aren't listening."
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Balrog0 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

And while someone's grandparents or great grandparents suffered and never advanced far because of racism, it's not any different than how my parents and grandparents grew up as destitute farmers in a third world country that collapsed because of communism.

@FLUFFYGERM I agree that it really isn't different. How many people in your parents and grandparents communities managed to be as successful as your parents and grandparents are or were? How are their offspring faring? I'm assuming you and yours are an exception and not the rule of what happened to those folks in that destitute area?

did I ever get a response? seems this was ignored unless I missed something

What is there to answer? I feel like you're trying to set up a catch 22 with your question, so I chose not to bother answering it.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Kineth posted...

How about you ask who's telling black people no in this topic and you'll understand my post better.

And the marketplace of ideas is also where y'all are attempting to keep black people out of.

Not immediately agreeing with whatever you say isn't an example of white privilege. Just like not immediately agreeing with whatever you say doesn't mean that white people "aren't listening."

Your narrative about this is just more supporting evidence.
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Kineth posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Kineth posted...

How about you ask who's telling black people no in this topic and you'll understand my post better.

And the marketplace of ideas is also where y'all are attempting to keep black people out of.

Not immediately agreeing with whatever you say isn't an example of white privilege. Just like not immediately agreeing with whatever you say doesn't mean that white people "aren't listening."

Your narrative about this is just more supporting evidence.

You're smart enough to understand why this argument is literally just you arguing in a circle and assuming that any disagreement with you is evidence for your position.
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catch 22 = realizing he can't be 100 without proving somebody else's point
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