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Balrog0
09/19/18 10:41:05 AM
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lifeamovie posted...
cherry picked stats don't prove a thing nor tell a story


Yes, I'm sure you had the time to carefully consider the evidence and the quality of the data and data analysis methods of each of these papers to come to this conclusion that the stats are all cherry-picked. I'm glad we have you, as you've done so much more thinking about this than these scores of researchers.

lifeamovie posted...
pick a random black person that follows the law and a random white person that follows the law, you'll see they are treated exactly the same


okie dokie
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K181
09/19/18 10:41:21 AM
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Yeah, I have a double XP bonus during weekdays and I started out with a higher level gear set and an extra technique slot. Easy mode is nice.
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lifeamovie
09/19/18 10:43:06 AM
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Balrog0 posted...
Yes, I'm sure you had the time to carefully consider the evidence and the quality of the data and data analysis methods of each of these papers to come to this conclusion that the stats are all cherry-picked. I'm glad we have you, as you've done so much more thinking about this than these scores of researchers.

I, of course, cant vouch for the robustness or statistical integrity of all of these studies. Im only summarizing them. But for the most part, Ive tried to include either peer-reviewed studies or reviews of data that tend to speak for themselves and dont require much statistical analysis. I will note that most (but not all) of these studies do factor in variables that address common claims such as that the criminal-justice system discriminates more by class than by race, or that racial discrepancies in sentencing or incarceration can be explained by the fact that black people commit more crimes

didn't have to, he did that for me
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NeonOctopus
09/19/18 10:43:18 AM
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I got a dozen free bagels from the bagel shop once. We were both white.

Is that white privilege? <_<
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HypnoCoosh
09/19/18 10:44:36 AM
#55:


NeonOctopus posted...
I got a dozen free bagels from the bagel shop once. We were both white.

Is that white privilege? <_<


Yes, but this should be happening daily if youre utilizing the true power of WP.
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Sativa_Rose
09/19/18 10:46:05 AM
#56:


NeonOctopus posted...
I got a dozen free bagels from the bagel shop once. We were both white.

Is that white privilege? <_<


Were the bagels white?
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Hawaiian_punch
09/19/18 10:46:16 AM
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Kineth posted...
Lil Wayne sips codeine so no he doesn't know what he's talking about.


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Kineth
09/19/18 10:46:50 AM
#58:


People who don't acknowledge disadvantages that minorities face will never understand the concept. I appreciate you trying to explain it though, @Balrog0.
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nemu
09/19/18 10:47:26 AM
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The problem comes with people trying to declare it as something on the individual level. No single person has privilege simply from being a certain skin color. Im fine with someone decalring it to be a thing when you group all people together by skin color. Though it is also a bit dishonest in that application too. It would make more sense to describe the groups that arent privileged.
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Hawaiian_punch
09/19/18 10:48:07 AM
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lifeamovie posted...
Balrog0 posted...
lifeamovie posted...
Balrog0 posted...
Of course, the 'other side' in this scenario is even worse as shown by these silly caricatures of the concept of white privilege ITT

so what are real scenarios of white privilege?


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2018/09/18/theres-overwhelming-evidence-that-the-criminal-justice-system-is-racist-heres-the-proof/

cherry picked stats don't prove a thing nor tell a story

pick a random black person that follows the law and a random white person that follows the law, you'll see they are treated exactly the same


@lifeamovie I choose the Texas guy that was killed in his own house by a female police officer. I also pick the KY woman who released her bowels at a police officer.

One is dead, one hasnt even been sentenced yet. Want to guess who is who? ;)
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lifeamovie
09/19/18 10:51:31 AM
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and what about the white woman killed for screaming by a black cop?

what about the white guy who got swatted and was killed for opening his door?

what about the white kid killed for opening his door with a wii controller?
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Hawaiian_punch
09/19/18 10:53:15 AM
#62:


lifeamovie posted...
and what about the white woman killed for screaming by a black cop?

what about the white guy who got swatted and was killed for opening his door?

what about the white kid killed for opening his door with a wii controller?


You said pick and I will show you they were treated the same. Now explain me how that is the case in that concrete example.

Regarding your whataboutism, citations needed please
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lifeamovie
09/19/18 10:55:00 AM
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fake news didn't tell you about those?

wonder why

oh wait because it wouldn't help their race baiting
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Taharqa_
09/19/18 10:55:07 AM
#64:


Hawaiian_punch posted...
lifeamovie posted...
and what about the white woman killed for screaming by a black cop?

what about the white guy who got swatted and was killed for opening his door?

what about the white kid killed for opening his door with a wii controller?


You said pick and I will show you they were treated the same. Now explain me how that is the case in that concrete example.

Regarding your whataboutism, citations needed please


Why are y'all entertaining this guy?
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Gheb
09/19/18 10:55:49 AM
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I mean it's not something I'm always thinking about. But I grew up in a upper-class house hold, in a affluent suburb in the only part of Kansas with good public schools. My dad was a CEO before he retired and made more than enough money to make sure our family of six was well-supported to so my mom could stop working and raise my three brothers and I. My parents paid for my college on the condition that I worked the entire time and maintained a 3.5 GPA so I was able to graduate without any college debt.

That essentially set up the rest of my life. That isn't to say I didn't work hard to get what I have. That isn't to say I don't deserve what I have or that I feel bad for what I have, but I do acknowledge that I had a lot of things help me get there, things that I didn't earn but was born into. And thus my journey to this point of my life is very different than my black room mate who never knew his dad or my coworker who grew up in a poor farming household and had her parent go through a very toxic divorce.

And it's not just white privilege. Economic privilege is just as prominent. But those two are rather intrinsically linked. For instance, my dad also grew up upper class as my grandfather was a successful banker. But my grandpa himself grew up poor, very poor. He lacked any real economic privilege. But he served in the Korean war and the went to Washington University in St Louis, a fairly esteemed private university, on the GI Bill. That same university finally desegregated the year before the Korean War ended. He very likely would not have gone to the same university if he wasn't white and his college education essentially set up his career and life and by extension my dad's life. Again that isn't to say my grandpa didn't work hard. He did he worked full time throughout college to support his wife and kids while going to college, but him being white offered him an opportunity he wouldn't have otherwise had and the generational impacts are still being felt today.

Privilege isn't about being sorry for being white, financially well-off, attractive, able-bodied, or whatever. Just recognizing that there are aspects of your life that do to nothing you could control, gave you an advantage here and there.
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Squall28
09/19/18 10:57:30 AM
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I can't believe all of you don't know what white privilege is. No one is saying you just get handed shit because you're white. It's just that you don't face natural discrimination and you get the world you lived in catered to you (most products, programs, etc are designed for the white consumer)
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Balrog0
09/19/18 10:58:29 AM
#67:


nemu posted...
The problem comes with people trying to declare it as something on the individual level. No single person has privilege simply from being a certain skin color. Im fine with someone decalring it to be a thing when you group all people together by skin color. Though it is also a bit dishonest in that application too. It would make more sense to describe the groups that arent privileged.


This used to be a much more common thread in these arguments, actually. Years ago, before race became such a public and controversial issue and politics was so omnipresent in our lives, when I had these conversations it was easier to get people to understand that black people are disadvantaged in our society. But the label white privilege was seen as divisive, because it makes it sound like white people get stuff unfairly whereas the 'real' problem is that black people get treated unfairly. So people would say we should call it black disadvantage or minority disadvantage instead.

I think that is too easy. White people don't just get treated fairly, we get treated unfairly but in a way that favors us. This study is a good illustration of what I mean:

https://qz.com/355345/white-privilege-is-real-scientists-say/

This research, Ayres believes, is some of the first to focus on discretionary accommodations. Thats important for two reasons. On a basic level, quantifying bias with data can go a long way toward convincing skeptical or ignorant. But, Ayres notes, it can be especially hard to find authority figures blatantly discriminating against minorities, something the Queensland researchers capture. Usually, its more subtle, involving the granting of extra privileges to non-minorities, not taking them away.

The research was conducted in Queensland, Australia, a place its authors liken to the American South. The studys decision to study transportation was also an intentional nod to the now famous discrimination experienced by Rosa Parks on a Montgomery, Alabama bus in 1955.

The researchers found that out of 1,500 people, bus drivers were twice as likely to allow white subjects on the bus who claimed they didnt have the $3.50 fare required to ride (on average 72 versus 36%) than black test riders. Passengers of Indian or South Asian descent were allowed on the bus without the correct fare 51% of the time. East Asians meanwhile were allowed on the bus in percentages at or above those for whites....

Importantly, this most recent study also speaks to the intersectional nature of biaswhile white privilege tends to dominate the conversation, socioeconomic status can also be a factor, particularly for black people. Black subjects in the bus study wearing a suit and carrying a briefcase were more likely to be let on the bus without correct fare, for example. There was an even bigger jump for blacks wearing a military uniform: 77% were let on the bus ( for comparison, whites in army uniforms were accepted 97% of the time).

The study did not draw any hard conclusions about the motivations of the bus drivers, but Mujcic said they were most likely motivated by unintentional biases driven by past experiences or actions involving the given racial/ethnic groups.

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lifeamovie
09/19/18 10:59:52 AM
#68:


Squall28 posted...
I can't believe all of you don't know what white privilege is. No one is saying you just get handed shit because you're white. It's just that you don't face natural discrimination and you get the world you lived in catered to you (most products, programs, etc are designed for the white consumer)

LMAO

the victim complex is sad

what products are designed for white consumers?
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Gheb
09/19/18 11:02:15 AM
#69:


lifeamovie posted...
Squall28 posted...
I can't believe all of you don't know what white privilege is. No one is saying you just get handed shit because you're white. It's just that you don't face natural discrimination and you get the world you lived in catered to you (most products, programs, etc are designed for the white consumer)

LMAO

the victim complex is sad

what products are designed for white consumers?

Band-aids. Which are colored to match Caucasian skin-tones. They've started making them in different skin tones now, but that's a pretty recent development.
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lifeamovie
09/19/18 11:09:20 AM
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Gheb posted...
lifeamovie posted...
Squall28 posted...
I can't believe all of you don't know what white privilege is. No one is saying you just get handed shit because you're white. It's just that you don't face natural discrimination and you get the world you lived in catered to you (most products, programs, etc are designed for the white consumer)

LMAO

the victim complex is sad

what products are designed for white consumers?

Band-aids. Which are colored to match Caucasian skin-tones. They've started making them in different skin tones now, but that's a pretty recent development.

due to history and i'm not saying racism never existed
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Gheb
09/19/18 11:13:11 AM
#71:


lifeamovie posted...
Gheb posted...
lifeamovie posted...
Squall28 posted...
I can't believe all of you don't know what white privilege is. No one is saying you just get handed shit because you're white. It's just that you don't face natural discrimination and you get the world you lived in catered to you (most products, programs, etc are designed for the white consumer)

LMAO

the victim complex is sad

what products are designed for white consumers?

Band-aids. Which are colored to match Caucasian skin-tones. They've started making them in different skin tones now, but that's a pretty recent development.

due to history and i'm not saying racism never existed

Yes and being able to go out an by a bandage that matches your skin-tone without any real effort is a privilege, albeit a small one, that white people are afforded. Life is littered with these things that you likely don't take note of because you have never needed to.
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Squall28
09/19/18 11:14:50 AM
#72:


lifeamovie posted...
Squall28 posted...
I can't believe all of you don't know what white privilege is. No one is saying you just get handed shit because you're white. It's just that you don't face natural discrimination and you get the world you lived in catered to you (most products, programs, etc are designed for the white consumer)

LMAO

the victim complex is sad

what products are designed for white consumers?


TV shows
Movies
Hair salons
Clothing sizes
Health products
Presidential elections
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lifeamovie
09/19/18 11:15:15 AM
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band-aids were marketed to whites

they aren't anymore

i'm sure you can find a bunch of stuff that used to be racist
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lifeamovie
09/19/18 11:16:29 AM
#74:


Squall28 posted...
Clothing sizes

black people have one type of body size?
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Squall28
09/19/18 11:36:56 AM
#75:


lifeamovie posted...
Squall28 posted...
Clothing sizes

black people have one type of body size?


1. Why do you assume black?
2. Clothing sizes are different for different for other races. The whole scaling and limb sizes can differ.
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lifeamovie
09/19/18 11:46:35 AM
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never heard anyone but a racist say races have particular body types
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CyricZ
09/19/18 11:46:57 AM
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These days, only when I'm feeling particularly lonely or I spot something new that gets me going.

I mean, that is what we're calling it now, right?
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Squall28
09/19/18 11:53:05 AM
#78:


lifeamovie posted...
never heard anyone but a racist say races have particular body types


ROFL. Go to an Asian country and try to buy some clothes. You are in for a rude awakening.

Acknowledging races are different is not racist. Assuming everyone should fit the white mold is.
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frogman_295
09/19/18 11:54:42 AM
#79:


Yes. Feels powerful mang
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lifeamovie
09/19/18 11:56:36 AM
#80:


Squall28 posted...
lifeamovie posted...
never heard anyone but a racist say races have particular body types


ROFL. Go to an Asian country and try to buy some clothes. You are in for a rude awakening.

Acknowledging races are different is not racist. Assuming everyone should fit the white mold is.

so when i go to the mall those shirts are made to fit whites?
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Squall28
09/19/18 12:18:48 PM
#81:


lifeamovie posted...
Squall28 posted...
lifeamovie posted...
never heard anyone but a racist say races have particular body types


ROFL. Go to an Asian country and try to buy some clothes. You are in for a rude awakening.

Acknowledging races are different is not racist. Assuming everyone should fit the white mold is.

so when i go to the mall those shirts are made to fit whites?


They're made to fit their models and primary demographic which are most likely white.

What so many of you don't understand is we're not saying people are deliberately making things white. Companies make things for the average consumer and when they picture the average consumer, their natural thought is white.
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lifeamovie
09/19/18 12:23:20 PM
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what i'm not getting how much different a white torso is from a black torso
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tommybel89
09/19/18 12:39:45 PM
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No because I'm not a loser.
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EndOfDiscOne
09/19/18 1:15:14 PM
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lifeamovie posted...
never heard anyone but a racist say races have particular body types


Ive heard leftists say that its racist to talk about weight because its a racial issue.
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NeonOctopus
09/19/18 1:26:29 PM
#85:


Sativa_Rose posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
I got a dozen free bagels from the bagel shop once. We were both white.

Is that white privilege? <_<


Were the bagels white?

They were assorted
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FLUFFYGERM
09/19/18 1:29:20 PM
#86:


Dyinglegacy posted...
I don't think most people know what white priviledge is.

It's something that you're born with


lmfao stfu and take your Original Sin horseshit somewhere else
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Hawaiian_punch
09/19/18 1:48:24 PM
#87:


Gheb posted...
lifeamovie posted...
Squall28 posted...
I can't believe all of you don't know what white privilege is. No one is saying you just get handed shit because you're white. It's just that you don't face natural discrimination and you get the world you lived in catered to you (most products, programs, etc are designed for the white consumer)

LMAO

the victim complex is sad

what products are designed for white consumers?

Band-aids. Which are colored to match Caucasian skin-tones. They've started making them in different skin tones now, but that's a pretty recent development.


Hahah no.

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SixStringHero
09/19/18 2:50:08 PM
#88:


Judging an entire group of people, simply for their skin color is racist, and this includes white people.

The entire concept of white privilege is textbook racism.

Anyone who engages in this nonsense is a racist piece of shit, period.
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Taharqa_
09/19/18 2:56:06 PM
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I see a lot of recoiling at the mere thought of the words 'white privilege'. So 350 years of colonial America and the US enacting laws that literally gave white people legal status above all persons of color = no form of residual intergenerational advantage from these past practices and attitudes that persist in mainstream society today? Do you guys think that all of the paleo-racists died off or had a Care Bear style change of heart in 1964?
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VandorLee
09/19/18 2:58:15 PM
#90:


White privilege is only something RACISTS think exists.
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FLUFFYGERM
09/19/18 11:04:06 PM
#91:


Taharqa_ posted...
I see a lot of recoiling at the mere thought of the words 'white privilege'. So 350 years of colonial America and the US enacting laws that literally gave white people legal status above all persons of color = no form of residual intergenerational advantage from these past practices and attitudes that persist in mainstream society today? Do you guys think that all of the paleo-racists died off or had a Care Bear style change of heart in 1964?


Most white people start their professional lives with nothing and don't inherit any amount of money or property. So this argument is horse shit and has always been horse shit. There are certainly black people who had a terrible life because of systemic racism even throughout and beyond the Jim Crow years, but no one born today experiences that. And while someone's grandparents or great grandparents suffered and never advanced far because of racism, it's not any different than how my parents and grandparents grew up as destitute farmers in a third world country that collapsed because of communism.
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catboy0_0
09/19/18 11:04:58 PM
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yeah, but only because my parents were smart and responsible and had decent jobs
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/19/18 11:14:41 PM
#93:


if you're not using the term White Privilege the way the White person who coined the term intended, you're using it wrong and look hilarious.

that's with any term, though. people misusing terms but still using them confidently is amusing for everybody up until we realize they also have voting power.
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Sativa_Rose
09/19/18 11:46:59 PM
#94:


NeonOctopus posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
I got a dozen free bagels from the bagel shop once. We were both white.

Is that white privilege? <_<


Were the bagels white?

They were assorted


Ah, well that's good, it means you had some diversity.
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Balrog0
09/20/18 12:30:16 PM
#95:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
There are certainly black people who had a terrible life because of systemic racism even throughout and beyond the Jim Crow years, but no one born today experiences that.


this is simply not true, though. well, maybe if they are literally born today since I can't predict the future

but like I live in little rock and there are plenty of people who remember the governor literally shutting down little rock schools instead of complying with integration mandates from the federal government. they remember having to be escorted to school by the national guard because the feds had to force our state to allow them into white schools.

now I'm not gonna draw any bright lines there between that and outcomes but don't be silly about how far into the past these things are
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Nomadic View
09/20/18 12:34:09 PM
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No race is superior to any other race.
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Balrog0
09/20/18 12:41:22 PM
#97:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
And while someone's grandparents or great grandparents suffered and never advanced far because of racism, it's not any different than how my parents and grandparents grew up as destitute farmers in a third world country that collapsed because of communism.


@FLUFFYGERM I agree that it really isn't different. How many people in your parents and grandparents communities managed to be as successful as your parents and grandparents are or were? How are their offspring faring? I'm assuming you and yours are an exception and not the rule of what happened to those folks in that destitute area?
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Taharqa_
09/20/18 12:51:08 PM
#98:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
Taharqa_ posted...
I see a lot of recoiling at the mere thought of the words 'white privilege'. So 350 years of colonial America and the US enacting laws that literally gave white people legal status above all persons of color = no form of residual intergenerational advantage from these past practices and attitudes that persist in mainstream society today? Do you guys think that all of the paleo-racists died off or had a Care Bear style change of heart in 1964?


Most white people start their professional lives with nothing and don't inherit any amount of money or property. So this argument is horse shit and has always been horse shit. There are certainly black people who had a terrible life because of systemic racism even throughout and beyond the Jim Crow years, but no one born today experiences that. And while someone's grandparents or great grandparents suffered and never advanced far because of racism, it's not any different than how my parents and grandparents grew up as destitute farmers in a third world country that collapsed because of communism.


There is this thing called the intergenerational transmission of inequality. Jim Crow did not occur in a vacuum, the legacy of those discriminatory practices were transferred to later generations. It controlled where people lived, what kind of job they could get which also had an impact on income, nearly every portion of their public life and the North was just as aggressive in enforcing discrimination laws, especially with their redlining practices. My parents were among the first to integrate into their middle school and had to face angry white mobs every day going into school like Ruby Bridges who is not much older than they are, and this was in 1968. In my hometown police still kept blacks on their side of the tracks and not in the white side of town well into the 70s. There are school districts that were desegregating well into the 90s. Aside from the indignity of 'separate but equal' it was the blatant economic theft that also had a far reaching impact.

Things didn't just become equal after Jim Crow went away. 350+ years of racial attitudes did not just go away in the aether after the signing of legislation. Systemic racism doesn't exist 'on paper' today as in "negroes can't do this or that" but the execution of certain laws most certainly target certain groups (i.e voter ID laws), or the obvious disparity in the criminal justice system. It doesn't matter what the writing says, the intent and effect is there. These institutions are made up of individuals, therefore it's systemic. These instances do no happen in a vacuum.
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BeyondWalls
09/20/18 12:56:26 PM
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Actually.... yes. Sometimes. Growing up in the South there was this sense that older white guys in charge were going to look after you. Not that they were going to do wrong by any minority kids. But they were definitely going to look out for you.

I remember when I first went to get my license it was this small little DMV with an old Southern white cop. He reminded me of my Grandad. I failed the written part by like one question and he was like, oh, dont worry about that. Well just fix that one. I walked out that day with my license.

Sometimes I wonder if a black kid would have fared as well in that situation. It really felt like white Southerners looking out for one another. I dont know that cop or his deal. But I feel like a Hispanic kid would have failed and got sent home.

On the reverse side... Ive also felt the effects of black privilege. When I interviewed for my first internship in Maryland, I went through the process with my black friend. It was 100% clear that the guy in charge was only interested in hiring us because of my friend. It was definitely an interesting feeling being in Maryland and having that Southern-good-ole-boy atmosphere ripped away while at the same time the guy in charge was looking out for my black friend more than me. No incidents ever happened and its not like my friend really got any better treatment. Its hard to put into words.
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Howl
09/20/18 12:57:54 PM
#100:


There's no such thing tbh.
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