Current Events > I love Kingsman: The Secret Service but, man, that movie have a glaring plothole

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So they show these young people that they want to recruit into their organization all of their secret bases, armories and training facilities all throughout but when they fail the test to become a Kingsman, they're just simply told to go home with the knowledge of all the Kingsman stuff that was shown to them.

Near the end of the movie Eggsy goes undercover but his cover is immediately blown when Charlie, one of the other Kingsman recruit who failed the test, recognized him.

It's even worse in the second movie. In fact, it kicks off the entire plot of the second movie. Charlie straights up tries to assassinate Eggsy at the beginning and he knew exactly where to find him because all the Kingsman recruit were taken to that "super secret" tailor.

This wouldn't have ever happened if they had some kind of exit protocol.
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Reis posted...

Kitt? more like SHITT opinions lmaooooo

But, I love Kingsman :(
The second one, not so much.
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That's not a plot hole.
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manners maketh man
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I didn't think they were all just released into the wild like that though. Like wasn't there at least one who failed out really early that they said had a desk job somewhere? Failing the test just put you out of the field I thought. In Charlie's case he went off sulking when he failed out (and also was going to give up Kingsman... that might have affected it too)
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But if they had an exit protocol, wouldnt Eggsy have been sent to it in the first movie?
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Anteaterking posted...

That's not a plot hole.

It is when you realize it causes a lot of problems and it's not acknowledged or touched on in any way.
Like, I get why they probably decided against it since Eggsy failed, but I also feel like they could have easily wrote around it too.
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I dont think you understand what a plot hole is.
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You gave two examples of it being acknowledged

It's not a plot hole
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Foppe posted...

But if they had an exit protocol, wouldnt Eggsy have been sent to it in the first movie?

Eggsy did have Gallahad batting for him though
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eston posted...

You gave two examples of it being acknowledged

It's not a plot hole

No I didn't. It's not acknowledged in the movie at all. Nobody even entertains the idea of an angry recruit potentially coming back and using their information against them and setting up something to possibly counter that.

It's an aspect of the script that went unnoticed that could've had something there to explain it but didn't.
What I took note of was the things that happened because of the lack of an explanation.

Crepes posted...

I dont think you understand what a plot hole is.

Wikipedia:
In fiction, a plot hole, plothole or plot error is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot. Such inconsistencies include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.

Failed recruits being able to freely leave with supposedly highly classifed, top secret information with no real explanation definitely sounds like that to me.
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Not a plothole, just the organization being dumb.
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kyujo posted...

Foppe posted...

But if they had an exit protocol, wouldnt Eggsy have been sent to it in the first movie?

Eggsy did have Gallahad batting for him though

And whoever nominated Charlie most likely batting for him as well.
Perhaps... they have one but Chester delayed it, and then it just got forgotten when he died
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Foppe posted...

kyujo posted...

Foppe posted...

But if they had an exit protocol, wouldnt Eggsy have been sent to it in the first movie?

Eggsy did have Gallahad batting for him though

And whoever nominated Charlie most likely batting for him as well.
Perhaps... they have one but Chester delayed it, and then it just got forgotten when he died

I think it's safe to say that's much less likely when Charlie just failed that test by ratting them out.
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The church scene makes up for any shortcomings
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littlebro07 posted...

The church scene makes up for any shortcomings

lol yeah it kinda does
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Foppe posted...

And whoever nominated Charlie most likely batting for him as well.

wasn't it implied that Arthur was the one who nominated him? he says he was disappointed in him after the train scene
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Kittsman
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SSJGrimReaper posted...

Kittsman

Kittsman: The Secret Plothole
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littlebro07 posted...

The church scene makes up for any shortcomings

The action scenes in general is phenomenal. Probably my favorite action scenes in any movie tbh.
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Kitt posted...

Wikipedia:
In fiction, a plot hole, plothole or plot error is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot. Such inconsistencies include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.

Failed recruits being able to freely leave with supposedly highly classifed, top secret information with no real explanation definitely sounds like that to me.

What's inconsistent or contradictory about it? You know in real life if you get fired from a job with a high level of security clearance, they just let you go as well.

Like yeah, their operational security could be better. But in universe it's completely consistent.
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would it have made more sense if they like knocked them out and they woke up in a training facility without knowing the location. then not show them any actual specific locations or important info that could jeopardize the org until they actually pass. if they fail, just knock them out again and drop them off at home.
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bulletproofvita posted...

SSJGrimReaper posted...

Kittsman

Kittsman: The Secret Plothole

/topic
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Anteaterking posted...

Kitt posted...

Wikipedia:
In fiction, a plot hole, plothole or plot error is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot. Such inconsistencies include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.

Failed recruits being able to freely leave with supposedly highly classifed, top secret information with no real explanation definitely sounds like that to me.

What's inconsistent or contradictory about it?

That the Kingsman is presented as this old timey, fictional Bond-style, highly, top secret organization that specializes in espionage and counter-espionage and all that good stuff. That's kind of thrown out the window when you're letting failed recruits walk off with with extremely valuable and sensitive information. And again, it goes completely unnoticed by the script.
Sounds pretty illogical.

SSJCAT posted...

would it have made more sense if they like knocked them out and they woke up in a training facility without knowing the location. then not show them any actual specific locations or important info that could jeopardize the org until they actually pass. if they fail, just knock them out again and drop them off at home.

That's better than nothing.
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More "plot induced stupidity" than plot hole.
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Idk I mean it's always painted like a noble service full of people with high character (minus I think Arthur, or whoever let himself get implanted from Valentine), so I imagine they only even recruit people who are of high character and don't normally get sour grapes about getting rejected and just made a mistake with Charlie.

It's a long shot
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Well, I mean, that is only one of many plotholes or weak storylines, but that's part of the fun.

Really, though, they won't even let them shoot a dog, so it would be crazy to have them literally killing teenagers.

There is also the point that they actually do have contacts outside of the organization that are in on the secret, like the tailor shop. I mean, they are pretty minimal numbers, and traditionally, are pulled from alumni/military, so it's not completely unreasonable that they'd expect some loyalty.