Current Events > The woman who said Kavanaugh tried to sexually assault her has come forward

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I'm shocked that Republicans would knowingly push a rapist into the Supreme Court
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Coffeebeanz posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Doom_Art posted...

s0nicfan posted...

and his personal life lacks skeletons

Apart from the gambling debts and girl he forced himself on

Says the guy who raped a girl just last week.

Saying shit like this is unacceptable.

I agree. This is disgusting. What is wrong with you sonic fan?

RainblowDash posted...

Why is this news?

Dems are trying to stall as much as they can having neutered the filibuster when they were in control and had a D for president.

Notice the dripfeed on information to this "rape" has progressed?
From an email to FBI but nobody gets to know anything about it.
To a week later and she is willing to come forth and name herself.
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Just want to throw out that I'm all for Kavanaugh not being confirmed - on political grounds. That said, I still believe in the idea that people who are accused should not be considered guilty until proven.

But considering how hypocritical conservatives have been on this concept, they've basically brought it on themselves.

I strongly disagree with taking the "victims should always be believed" to the conclusion that "accused should always be considered guilty"
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if post #90 is acceptable, we all might as well just leave now. there's literally nothing of value left to be had here.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

Just want to throw out that I'm all for Kavanaugh not being confirmed - on political grounds. That said, I still believe in the idea that people who are accused should not be considered guilty until proven.

But considering how hypocritical conservatives have been on this concept, they've basically brought it on themselves.

He deserves due process. So lets give him due process.

Lets investigate the accusations (after all she passed a polygraph test!) and deliberate this. It should take no more than 6 months.

The republicans want to rush his nomination because of electoral reasons, thats their little secret

Coffeebeanz posted...

Just want to throw out that I'm all for Kavanaugh not being confirmed - on political grounds. That said, I still believe in the idea that people who are accused should not be considered guilty until proven.

But considering how hypocritical conservatives have been on this concept, they've basically brought it on themselves.

I strongly disagree with taking the "victims should always be believed" to the conclusion that "accused should always be considered guilty"

Thank you for being a reasonable human being.
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Medussa posted...

if post #90 is acceptable, we all might as well just leave now. there's literally nothing of value left to be had here.

Yeah fuck post 90

deupd_u posted...

SageHarpuia posted...

Basically the gist is someone may or may not have groped someone over thirty years ago and now it's being politicized.

It reminds me of when someone said Mitt Romney beat them up in high school for being gay, and Romney was just like, "Well, I certainly don't remember doing that. Also, I'm in my fucking 60s."

Well you're a conservative, so fuck what you think. Stop crying.
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@s0nicfan I would like an apology
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Hawaiian_punch posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

Just want to throw out that I'm all for Kavanaugh not being confirmed - on political grounds. That said, I still believe in the idea that people who are accused should not be considered guilty until proven.

But considering how hypocritical conservatives have been on this concept, they've basically brought it on themselves.

He deserves due process. So lets give him due process.

Lets investigate the accusations (after all she passed a polygraph test!) and deliberate this. It should take no more than 6 months.

The republicans want to rush his nomination because of electoral reasons, thats their little secret

To be fair, it's remarkably easy to fool a polygraph test. Grant from Mythbusters did it.
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Wtf is sonicfan trying to prove? Like is that your attempt to exit from this site? Jesus
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Doom_Art posted...

@s0nicfan I would like an apology

Tell me what the rules of the game are. Is an accusation sufficient grounds to say this:
Doom_Art posted...

s0nicfan posted...

and his personal life lacks skeletons

Apart from the gambling debts and girl he forced himself on

If not, I'll gladly apologize. I'll make a completely new topic and put it in iambic pentameter if you want. I'll put it in my Bio.

But don't sit here, call someone a rapist based on no evidence, and then demand an apology when someone does the same for you. I believe in one set of rules for everyone. What are they?
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Bio1590 posted...

Wtf is sonicfan trying to prove? Like is that your attempt to exit from this site? Jesus

It really is bizarre and insulting.

s0nicfan posted...

Is an accusation sufficient grounds to say this:

I will amend my statement to say

"The girl he allegedly forced himself on"
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Yeah, what's up with due process meaning "We're not going to look into it at all".

Also, all of these people are like "Do we really want to have every teenage sexual assault/rape have to hang over the perpetrator's head for the rest of time like a Sword of Damocles?"

And the answer is yes.
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Doom_Art posted...

I will amend my statement to say

"The girl he allegedly forced himself on"

Then I'll apologize for the false accusation, delete my post, and offer whatever additional conciliatory posts you would like to make sure CE knows I wronged you.
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Anteaterking posted...

Yeah, what's up with due process meaning "We're not going to look into it at all".

Also, all of these people are like "Do we really want to have every teenage sexual assault/rape have to hang over the perpetrator's head for the rest of time like a Sword of Damocles?"

And the answer is yes.

It certainly hangs over the victim, but they're presumably okay with that because she's a woman.

Imagine trying to defend yourself calling someone a rapist because you're ultra butthurt because someone else has been accused of forcing themselves on someone.

Like holy shit what
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s0nicfan posted...

Then I'll apologize for the false accusation, delete my post, and offer whatever additional conciliatory posts you would like to make sure CE knows I wronged you.

I've edited my post, I'll accept your apology

And I request that to make it up to me you make a topic now saying in the title:

"Doom_Art has a really great idea for a Matrix video game"

And in the OP

"You should ask him about it"
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Doom_Art posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Then I'll apologize for the false accusation, delete my post, and offer whatever additional conciliatory posts you would like to make sure CE knows I wronged you.

I've edited my post, I'll accept your apology

And I request that to make it up to me you make a topic now saying in the title:

"Doom_Art has a really great idea for a Matrix video game"

And in the OP

"You should ask him about it"

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77010255
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If your idea of a good Matrix video game is "do the exact opposite of Enter the Matrix", I'm on board.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

If your idea of a good Matrix video game is "do the exact opposite of Enter the Matrix", I'm on board.

Enter the Matrix was such a disappointment lol

I didn't even care much for Path of Neo
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There needs to be more evidence before this should be taken seriously. We can't let every hearing turn into a "he-said, she-said" about things over 30 years ago.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

If your idea of a good Matrix video game is "do the exact opposite of Enter the Matrix", I'm on board.

Is that the MMO? Or one of the other games? I got a chance to beta test the MMO back in the day and it had a really solid foundation in terms of the combat engine, but otherwise was just bland, repetitive, and grey.
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Doom_Art posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

If your idea of a good Matrix video game is "do the exact opposite of Enter the Matrix", I'm on board.

Enter the Matrix was such a disappointment lol

I didn't even care much for Path of Neo

The worst part is that EtM had actual exclusive footage T_T
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Sativa_Rose posted...

There needs to be more evidence before this should be taken seriously. We can't let every hearing turn into a "he-said, she-said" about things over 30 years ago.

Can the GOP's prepared response to this lend credence to it being true?
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Coffeebeanz posted...

Hawaiian_punch posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

Just want to throw out that I'm all for Kavanaugh not being confirmed - on political grounds. That said, I still believe in the idea that people who are accused should not be considered guilty until proven.

But considering how hypocritical conservatives have been on this concept, they've basically brought it on themselves.

He deserves due process. So lets give him due process.

Lets investigate the accusations (after all she passed a polygraph test!) and deliberate this. It should take no more than 6 months.

The republicans want to rush his nomination because of electoral reasons, thats their little secret

To be fair, it's remarkably easy to fool a polygraph test. Grant from Mythbusters did it.

Thats true.

So lets investigate and get to the bottom of this. It shall take no more than 6 months

Coffeebeanz posted...

To be fair, it's remarkably easy to fool a polygraph test. Grant from Mythbusters did it.

It depends on whether you have a professional administering it. Polygraphs tend to have more false positives than false negatives.
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https://www.rawstory.com/2018/09/republican-senator-trying-set-call-kavanaugh-sexual-assault-accuser/

Don't worry guys, Chuck Grassley is gonna get these two to kiss and make up. Trying to negotiate behind the scenes must mean that Kavanaugh is totally innocent.
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Bio1590 posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

There needs to be more evidence before this should be taken seriously. We can't let every hearing turn into a "he-said, she-said" about things over 30 years ago.

Can the GOP's prepared response to this lend credence to it being true?

No. I thought it was dumb, but to me this seems like you're suggesting that fighting back against allegations makes the allegations more likely to be true. I don't think the Kavanaugh people knew about this shit in advance, which seems to be what you're implying with calling it a prepared response.
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You guys are just saying you'll never believe a rape accusation if too many years have passed. That's a really convenient system for rapists.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

I don't think the Kavanaugh people knew about this s*** in advance

You don't? What about this man makes you think that has the slightest possibility of being true?
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Sativa_Rose posted...

Bio1590 posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

There needs to be more evidence before this should be taken seriously. We can't let every hearing turn into a "he-said, she-said" about things over 30 years ago.

Can the GOP's prepared response to this lend credence to it being true?

No. I thought it was dumb, but to me this seems like you're suggesting that fighting back against allegations makes the allegations more likely to be true. I don't think the Kavanaugh people knew about this shit in advance, which seems to be what you're implying with calling it a prepared response.

There's "fighting back" and there's well...what they did. Kavanaugh's statement/response was one thing (and expected, obviously), the GOP's response was...not really sure how to describe that.

And it's obvious they knew. At the very least they've known since the beginning of July. They released that letter within a half hour of the New Yorker story being published, there is zero chance they got all those "signatures" in the 24-48 hours after the allegations first came out.

The GOP even expressed concern about Kavanaugh when he was originally nominated, so there's even the possibility they've known about it the entire time before he was even nominated.

E: New Yorker not NYT
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Bio1590 posted...

The GOP even expressed concern about Kavanaugh when he was originally nominated, so there's even the possibility they've known about it the entire time before he was even nominated.

Where did this happen?
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SageHarpuia posted...

Basically the gist is someone may or may not have groped someone over thirty years ago and now it's being politicized.

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Sativa_Rose posted...

Where did this happen?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/07/us/politics/trump-mcconnell-supreme-court.html
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rikasa posted...

You guys are just saying you'll never believe a rape accusation if too many years have passed. That's a really convenient system for rapists.

Only if it's a woman. If it's a male accusing a priest of something that happened 20+ years ago, people tend to believe them.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

Bio1590 posted...

The GOP even expressed concern about Kavanaugh when he was originally nominated, so there's even the possibility they've known about it the entire time before he was even nominated.

Where did this happen?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/07/us/politics/trump-mcconnell-supreme-court.html

Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader, told President Trump this past week that Judges Raymond M. Kethledge and Thomas M. Hardiman presented the fewest obvious obstacles to being confirmed to replace Justice Anthony M. Kennedy on the Supreme Court, according to Republican officials briefed on the conversation.

While careful not to directly make the case for any would-be justice, Mr. McConnell made clear in multiple phone calls with Mr. Trump and the White House counsel, Donald F. McGahn II, that the lengthy paper trail of another top contender, Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh, would pose difficulties for his confirmation.

Mr. McConnell is concerned about the volume of the documents that Judge Kavanaugh has created in his 12 years on the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, as well as in his roles as White House staff secretary under President George W. Bush and assistant to Kenneth W. Starr, the independent counsel who investigated President Bill Clinton.

The public concern was the "paperwork".
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>Using Mitch McConnell to make a point about the GOP

Nobody likes that guy lol
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SageHarpuia posted...

>Using Mitch McConnell to make a point about the GOP

Nobody likes that guy lol

If the GOP doesn't like him they would stop nominating him in primaries and making him their leader in the Senate

The GOP likes McConnell and by and large agreea with him
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Bio1590 posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

Bio1590 posted...

The GOP even expressed concern about Kavanaugh when he was originally nominated, so there's even the possibility they've known about it the entire time before he was even nominated.

Where did this happen?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/07/us/politics/trump-mcconnell-supreme-court.html

Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader, told President Trump this past week that Judges Raymond M. Kethledge and Thomas M. Hardiman presented the fewest obvious obstacles to being confirmed to replace Justice Anthony M. Kennedy on the Supreme Court, according to Republican officials briefed on the conversation.

While careful not to directly make the case for any would-be justice, Mr. McConnell made clear in multiple phone calls with Mr. Trump and the White House counsel, Donald F. McGahn II, that the lengthy paper trail of another top contender, Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh, would pose difficulties for his confirmation.

Mr. McConnell is concerned about the volume of the documents that Judge Kavanaugh has created in his 12 years on the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, as well as in his roles as White House staff secretary under President George W. Bush and assistant to Kenneth W. Starr, the independent counsel who investigated President Bill Clinton.

The public concern was the "paperwork".

Yes, paperwork originating from his 12 years on the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, as well as in his roles as White House staff secretary under President George W. Bush and assistant to Kenneth W. Starr. This does not give any indication at all that Mitch McConnell knew about these allegations before they became public.
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These Trump supporters are the biggest idiots ever. It's like some weird genetic mutation has finally over many years manifested itself in the form of these people. Firstly if you fucking cared at all about civil rights, you'd be more alarmed at the woman's rights having been violated by being raped. Second if you cared at all about 6th amendment rights and evidence rules in court you wouldn't be desperately be trying to pull it out of your ass now, you'd have mentioned it on any of the dozens of other occasions that Trump grievously violated people's 6th and due process. That doesn't even account for the levels of idiocy in this topic. Evidence based trials run in different categories, but if the woman in question wanted to pursue a court case against Kavanaugh she has eye witness testimony which does indeed count as evidence. It may be a he said / she said type of deal that would lead to a mistrial but I guess we'd have to see it go to trial to find out. Nobody is going to trial here. Your rights don't just automatically invoke themselves unless you pursue invoking them which generally means taking it to court. So if you're a Trump supporter just admit you hate women and civil rights, it's fine and we all understand you do and don't understand how damning that is for you.
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I like how McConnell says not to nominate Kavanaugh because the Democrats would try to stall using the paperwork, they attempt to do just that, proving him correct, but somehow "paperwork" is a secret codeword for eleventh hour political smears.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

These Trump supporters are the biggest idiots ever. It's like some weird genetic mutation has finally over many years manifested itself in the form of these people. Firstly if you fucking cared at all about civil rights, you'd be more alarmed at the woman's rights having been violated by being raped. Second if you cared at all about 6th amendment rights and evidence rules in court you wouldn't be desperately be trying to pull it out of your ass now, you'd have mentioned it on any of the dozens of other occasions that Trump grievously violated people's 6th and due process. That doesn't even account for the levels of idiocy in this topic. Evidence based trials run in different categories, but if the woman in question wanted to pursue a court case against Kavanaugh she has eye witness testimony which does indeed count as evidence. It may be a he said / she said type of deal that would lead to a mistrial but I guess we'd have to see it go to trial to find out. Nobody is going to trial here. Your rights don't just automatically invoke themselves unless you pursue invoking them which generally means taking it to court. So if you're a Trump supporter just admit you hate women and civil rights, it's fine and we all understand you do and don't understand how damning that is for you.

Uh oh sonicfan is gonna call you a rapist now to support some weird, dumbass point
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jborgan posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

These Trump supporters are the biggest idiots ever. It's like some weird genetic mutation has finally over many years manifested itself in the form of these people. Firstly if you fucking cared at all about civil rights, you'd be more alarmed at the woman's rights having been violated by being raped. Second if you cared at all about 6th amendment rights and evidence rules in court you wouldn't be desperately be trying to pull it out of your ass now, you'd have mentioned it on any of the dozens of other occasions that Trump grievously violated people's 6th and due process. That doesn't even account for the levels of idiocy in this topic. Evidence based trials run in different categories, but if the woman in question wanted to pursue a court case against Kavanaugh she has eye witness testimony which does indeed count as evidence. It may be a he said / she said type of deal that would lead to a mistrial but I guess we'd have to see it go to trial to find out. Nobody is going to trial here. Your rights don't just automatically invoke themselves unless you pursue invoking them which generally means taking it to court. So if you're a Trump supporter just admit you hate women and civil rights, it's fine and we all understand you do and don't understand how damning that is for you.

Uh oh sonicfan is gonna call you a rapist now to support some weird, dumbass point

Nah. I went after Doom because he knows better and is better than how he was acting. P4wn4g3 isn't worth the effort. Nobody that says "If you support X, you must be anti women/minorities/equality/etc" is actually worth the time of day.
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Yeah nobody would say if you support due process today you would have supported it when border patrol wasn't letting legal citizens in. Nobody!
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And yet Republicans still like the guy. He could be a confirmed pedo, and they would still back him.
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