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FrisbeeDude
09/10/18 8:51:54 PM
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https://theundefeated.com/features/america-to-me-shows-why-all-the-black-kids-sit-together-in-the-cafeteria/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

A new 10-part documentary series from Starz has found a way to answer an old question about integrated schools: Why are all the black kids sitting together in the cafeteria?

America to Me may take its name from the Langston Hughes poem Let America Be America Again, but its ethos comes from the 1997 book by Beverly Daniel Tatum, Why Are All the Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria? And Other Conversations About Race. The series begins airing Sunday night on Starz.

In the series, creator, director, and executive producer Steve James (Hoop Dreams) provides a deeply reported look at Oak Park and River Forest High School, a well-funded public school of about 3,700 students. Oak Park and River Forest is integrated and its home not just to white students (55 percent) and black students (27 percent), but a significant population of kids from multiracial and multiethnic backgrounds. It is situated in an enclave of liberalism just outside Chicago. If ever there was a high school that should double as a melting pot, its Oak Park and River Forest. But as viewers of America to Me soon find, the school is dealing with some serious clumps in its fondue.

Through interviews with students, parents, administrators and coaches, James slowly unpeels the ramifications of a colorblind approach to education in which almost no one talks about race. In her book, Tatum explained how race becomes more of a factor for children of color, especially black children, as they get older. They lose the assumption of innocence that might have shielded them from race-based slights when they were younger.

By following the lives of real high school students, James shows how easy it is to disturb illusions of an idealized setting. This is a school that has segregated itself internally. Most of the teaching staff is white, while the security guards are predominantly black. The cheer squad is nearly all black; the drill team is nearly all white. Theres a long-standing achievement gap between white students and black ones that the school has failed to narrow, let alone close.

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FrisbeeDude
09/10/18 8:52:12 PM
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Oak Park, this school is crazy, Charles Donalson, one of the series most magnetic student characters, tells the camera. You talk to who you dont have to try with.

Donalson has lost patience with trying to talk to his white counterparts about race, so much so that he walks the halls between classes with his headphones over his ears and his music turned up loud. Instead, he expresses himself through poetry in the schools spoken word club.

When the series begins, school administrators are wrestling with the issue of a Black Lives Matter assembly that was closed to white students so that students of color could speak openly and without fear. The decision drew complaints of reverse racism.

America to Me holds up a particularly compelling mirror to American race relations by examining multiple generations. James provides an answer to the cafeteria question by showing how kids learn attitudes about race from their parents. The security guards reveal that white students will occasionally tell them that they work for them, an assertion one guard says she constantly hears from white parents.

In one heartbreaking scene, American literature teacher Jessica Stovall, who is biracial, reveals that a white student called her the Nword when she directed him to stop referring to another student with an epithet for homosexual. When she brought the student to school administrators, he received a slap on the wrist. Administrators contended that they couldnt prove the student knew Stovalls race because she was out of his line of vision when she yelled at him. Stovall has few allies on the issue of race amongst her fellow teachers, and finds that its her black students who actually share her anger and horror.


Strongly recommend checking this out
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dave_is_slick
09/10/18 8:56:03 PM
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At every school I went to this was not true.
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gatorsPENSbucs
09/10/18 8:56:04 PM
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Hmm, I sat with the black kids. Found out today that I'm not a conservative and I'm black.
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iPhone_7
09/10/18 8:57:24 PM
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TL;DR - Its always the fault of white people
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FrisbeeDude
09/10/18 8:57:30 PM
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...
Hmm, I sat with the black kids. Found out today that I'm not a conservative and I'm black.


Why were you in a rush to shitpost this quickly? It's rather odd
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CapnMuffin
09/10/18 8:58:37 PM
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When does it air?
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RoboLaserGandhi
09/10/18 8:58:59 PM
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Of course it paints self segregation as white people being at fault

Who came into this topic thinking anything else?
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FrisbeeDude
09/10/18 9:00:25 PM
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CapnMuffin posted...
When does it air?


it premiered august 26th
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tremain07
09/10/18 9:00:34 PM
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More blame white people bull shit, that'll win the democrats new voters.
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Nomadic View
09/10/18 9:09:44 PM
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They sit together because those are their friends.
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GreatEvilEmpire
09/10/18 9:13:37 PM
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Don't you ever get tired of constantly acting like a victim? There is no bigger victim on this board.
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SuperMedz3
09/10/18 9:16:55 PM
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always blame white people and never take responsibility
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Kineth
09/10/18 9:18:01 PM
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SuperMedz3 posted...
always blame white people and never take responsibility


Nice instance of dog whistle racism.
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Vyrulisse
09/10/18 9:18:39 PM
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Kineth posted...
SuperMedz3 posted...
always blame white people and never take responsibility


Nice instance of dog whistle racism.

Feel free to explain to the class what you mean by that
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RoboLaserGandhi
09/10/18 9:19:44 PM
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Vyrulisse posted...
Kineth posted...
SuperMedz3 posted...
always blame white people and never take responsibility


Nice instance of dog whistle racism.

Feel free to explain to the class what you mean by that

He means "I want to control the conversation by putting words in your mouth pretending I'm inside your head".
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FrisbeeDude
09/10/18 9:21:16 PM
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well this topic got off to a great start...why are the usual suspects so quick to show their ass? Its weird...they seem ok with only talking about very specific race issues. everything else, they get super defensive about. why is that?
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Kineth
09/10/18 9:21:42 PM
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Vyrulisse posted...
Kineth posted...
SuperMedz3 posted...
always blame white people and never take responsibility


Nice instance of dog whistle racism.

Feel free to explain to the class what you mean by that


I don't know if I believe that you're interested in learning.

*sigh* I'll parse it out. This plays off of many stereotypes, mainly the one of black people being lazy. It also plays off of the idea that whenever black people claim racism, they're just blaming others, specifically white people, for their problems.

Honestly, it shouldn't need to be explained if you have any sort of clue what dog whistle racism is.
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Vyrulisse
09/10/18 9:21:55 PM
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FrisbeeDude posted...
well this topic got off to a great start...why are the usual suspects so quick to show their ass? Its weird...they seem ok with only talking about very specific race issues. everything else, they get super defensive about. why is that?

lol
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Kineth
09/10/18 9:22:13 PM
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...
Vyrulisse posted...
Kineth posted...
SuperMedz3 posted...
always blame white people and never take responsibility


Nice instance of dog whistle racism.

Feel free to explain to the class what you mean by that

He means "I want to control the conversation by putting words in your mouth pretending I'm inside your head".


Good job being brazenly hypocritical.
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KillerKhan420
09/10/18 9:25:30 PM
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Those evil white, white people! They caused this!

Fuck your stupid racist ass mtv and whatever channel decides to air this. People self segregate, if it's not clear, go to a church.
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Vyrulisse
09/10/18 9:26:45 PM
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Why do the nerds tend to sit with the nerds
Why do the popular people tend to sit with other popular people
Why do cheerleaders sit with cheerleaders
Why do various clubs sit with members of the same clubs
Why do the Football/Baseball/Softball teams tend to sit together
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SuperMedz3
09/10/18 9:27:50 PM
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Vyrulisse posted...
Why do the nerds tend to sit with the nerds
Why do the popular people tend to sit with other popular people
Why do cheerleaders sit with cheerleaders
Why do various clubs sit with members of the same clubs
Why do the Football/Baseball/Softball teams tend to sit together

because of the evil white people
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Kineth
09/10/18 9:29:26 PM
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Vyrulisse posted...
Why do the nerds tend to sit with the nerds
Why do the popular people tend to sit with other popular people
Why do cheerleaders sit with cheerleaders
Why do various clubs sit with members of the same clubs
Why do the Football/Baseball/Softball teams tend to sit together


You know that you asked me a question about something else, right?
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Sativa_Rose
09/10/18 9:29:44 PM
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Thomas Sowell has talked about this lunchroom issue and claims that it used to be better, like that we're more segregated than we used to be.
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DarkTransient
09/10/18 9:31:00 PM
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Vyrulisse posted...
Kineth posted...
SuperMedz3 posted...
always blame white people and never take responsibility


Nice instance of dog whistle racism.

Feel free to explain to the class what you mean by that


"Dog whistle" is a reference to the concept of a literal dog whistle, the kind only dogs can hear. The idea behind liberals using the term is "if we can't find any actual racism in your comment, we'll claim it's a "dogwhistle" that only other racists are meant to understand, so we can still accuse you of being racist".
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Vyrulisse
09/10/18 9:31:23 PM
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Kineth posted...
Vyrulisse posted...
Why do the nerds tend to sit with the nerds
Why do the popular people tend to sit with other popular people
Why do cheerleaders sit with cheerleaders
Why do various clubs sit with members of the same clubs
Why do the Football/Baseball/Softball teams tend to sit together


You know that you asked me a question about something else, right?

I ignored your answer because it made no sense in the context of that story blaming "evil white people".
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FrisbeeDude
09/10/18 9:33:06 PM
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Vyrulisse posted...
Why do the nerds tend to sit with the nerds
Why do the popular people tend to sit with other popular people
Why do cheerleaders sit with cheerleaders
Why do various clubs sit with members of the same clubs
Why do the Football/Baseball/Softball teams tend to sit together


...like, did you even bother to read the article?
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gatorsPENSbucs
09/10/18 9:40:43 PM
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FrisbeeDude posted...
gatorsPENSbucs posted...
Hmm, I sat with the black kids. Found out today that I'm not a conservative and I'm black.


Why were you in a rush to shitpost this quickly? It's rather odd

What about it is a shitpost? You said black kids sat together at lunch. I sat with black kids therefore I'm black, I guess.
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PostCrisisJ2
09/10/18 9:45:33 PM
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It's actually really funny how much race wasn't much of a factor in my school days, which was like... nearly 20 years ago now.

I think the fact that I was visibly disabled (I used a wheelchair) was a factor. People were too afraid to be racist towards the black kid in the wheelchair I guess lol. However, this came with the caveat that a lot of black kids didn't really approach me much, or if they did it was to try to make fun of me.

idek what to think except that kids can be terrible, especially middle schoolers. God.
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Mist_Turnips
09/10/18 9:46:49 PM
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Oh, another race topic
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Kineth
09/10/18 9:46:50 PM
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Vyrulisse posted...
Kineth posted...
Vyrulisse posted...
Why do the nerds tend to sit with the nerds
Why do the popular people tend to sit with other popular people
Why do cheerleaders sit with cheerleaders
Why do various clubs sit with members of the same clubs
Why do the Football/Baseball/Softball teams tend to sit together


You know that you asked me a question about something else, right?

I ignored your answer because it made no sense in the context of that story blaming "evil white people".


What a surprise. My opening line said I didn't think you were actually interested in learning and you fucking proved me right.
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Lordgold666
09/11/18 5:25:36 PM
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dave_is_slick posted...
At every school I went to this was not true.

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Blue_Inigo
09/11/18 5:44:26 PM
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FrisbeeDude posted...
Vyrulisse posted...
Why do the nerds tend to sit with the nerds
Why do the popular people tend to sit with other popular people
Why do cheerleaders sit with cheerleaders
Why do various clubs sit with members of the same clubs
Why do the Football/Baseball/Softball teams tend to sit together


...like, did you even bother to read the article?

None of the usual suspects did
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FL81
09/11/18 5:47:14 PM
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YMMV obviously, but
dave_is_slick posted...
At every school I went to this was not true.

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E32005
09/11/18 5:47:41 PM
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FrisbeeDude posted...
Administrators contended that they couldnt prove the student knew Stovalls race because she was out of his line of vision when she yelled at him.

this is like trumpeter level of stupidity
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/11/18 5:58:57 PM
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look at how just the mentioning of race automatically triggers the usual suspects. how many posted criticisms before reading? lmao, preemptive fragility
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darkjedilink
09/11/18 6:09:07 PM
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...
Of course it paints self segregation as white people being at fault

Who came into this topic thinking anything else?

According to TC, white people are at fault for everything.
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DifferentialEquation
09/11/18 6:12:43 PM
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The documentary sounds like an attempt to justify racist attitudes towards white people.
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Zikten
09/11/18 6:15:05 PM
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At my school they had native American kids that all sat at the same table. But they looked white due to massive interbreeding.
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eggcorn
09/11/18 6:57:31 PM
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Kineth and Frisbeedude are like the dynamic duo of being wrong.

Zikten posted...
At my school they had native American kids that all sat at the same table. But they looked white due to massive interbreeding.


then there's this guy.
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Zikten
09/11/18 7:04:15 PM
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Wait what
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