Board 8 > Unpopular Opinion: Every single one of the Metal Gear Solid Games is Great.

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ExThaNemesis
09/10/18 3:48:06 PM
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8.8/10 or higher, all of them.

CHANGE MY MIND
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Pirate_Harris
09/10/18 3:48:26 PM
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Survive?
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ninkendo
09/10/18 3:48:29 PM
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Xiahou Shake
09/10/18 3:49:37 PM
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V, Ac!d and Survive are definitely not "great." (If you're being particular about "Solid" games, then you're at least still wrong about V.)
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ninkendo
09/10/18 3:50:33 PM
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ExThaNemesis
09/10/18 3:51:03 PM
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ninkendo posted...
V might be THE GREATEST!


^quoting for absolute truth
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Xiahou Shake
09/10/18 4:00:03 PM
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I'm so sorry.
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SantaRPidgey
09/10/18 4:03:36 PM
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Xiahou Shake posted...
V, Ac!d and Survive are definitely not "great." (If you're being particular about "Solid" games, then you're at least still wrong about V.)


V and Acid and objectively great.

Survive doesn't count.
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GranzonEx
09/10/18 4:29:48 PM
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ExThaNemesis posted...
ninkendo posted...
V might be THE GREATEST!


^quoting for absolute truth

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INCEPTlON
09/10/18 4:37:18 PM
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If you are speaking of strictly the Solid games, than I easily agree.
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INCEPTlON
09/10/18 4:37:36 PM
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INCEPTlON posted...
If you are speaking of strictly the Solid games, than I easily agree.


I also would accept Rising
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Wreath
09/10/18 4:42:46 PM
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INCEPTlON posted...
If you are speaking of strictly the Solid games, than I easily agree.
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pjbasis
09/10/18 4:58:32 PM
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Eh I didn't care for Portable Ops or Peacewalker that much
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banananor
09/10/18 5:30:21 PM
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i mean, every metal gear solid is fantastic in terms of production value

at the same time, some are much, much better than others

2's plot was nonsensical and disappointing
snake eater was almost unplayable due to the camera. subsistence fixed it, though

they're all great art, though
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Whiskey_Nick
09/10/18 5:44:40 PM
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2 > 4 > 1 > 3 > PW
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LapisLazuli
09/10/18 5:45:36 PM
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Lol what world is it where V isn't a great game?

Story problems sure, but that game mechanically is absolutely killer. It was a blast to play.
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Xiahou Shake
09/10/18 6:04:08 PM
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Story "problems" doesn't even begin to describe what's going on in V. The game is clearly utterly unfinished, and you can tell by looking at both the story and the game design.

Mechanically I'll give you that, the mechanics are fucking beautiful and I wish we got an actually good game with them, but we didn't. We got a barebones plot with no actual conclusion, a horrendously implemented open world with maybe three thoughtfully designed areas, one really bad boss and a billion copy paste side ops with zero substance.

Ground Zeroes is absolutely a superior product compared to what we ended up getting with V.
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Jakyl25
09/10/18 6:07:07 PM
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I...dont think this is all that controversial of an opinion?

Like all 5 have legit arguments to be someones best in the series pick depending on what you value about them.

Its not like Final Fantasy where if someone says the best one is 13 theyve got a strong hill to climb to make that case
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pjbasis
09/10/18 6:11:52 PM
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Xiahou Shake posted...
Ground Zeroes is absolutely a superior product compared to what we ended up getting with V.


I get the rest of your points but at the end of the day V was just more Ground Zeroes to me.

Which was fantastic. I could have done without the open world and base building collectathon nonsense, but just playing the game at the various locations....sublime.
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Xiahou Shake
09/10/18 6:19:07 PM
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pjbasis posted...
I get the rest of your points but at the end of the day V was just more Ground Zeroes to me.

This might sound weird, but in some ways, V actually feels like less than Ground Zeroes.

In addition to all the base building collectathon stuff you mentioned which IMO just dilutes the game, V has absolutely nothing that compares to the richness of the Naval Prison Facility. The entire area was thoughtfully crafted, which is more than you can say for a majority of V's world - but more importantly, they squeezed a TON of actual meaningful content into it.

I was hoping V would have 100 hours of crazy shit like the side ops in Ground Zeroes, which brought with them actually different gameplay styles and mission types to re-explore the base in all kinds of different ways. Not only did V not live up to that expectation, they had no content whatsoever that matched those ops in terms of diversity or intrigue. The side-ops we ended up getting feel like they were slapped together by interns rather than Kojima's cream of the crop.
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LeonhartFour
09/10/18 6:21:26 PM
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The Arabic numbered Metal Gear Solid games are all great.
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GranzonEx
09/10/18 7:01:27 PM
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Xiahou Shake posted...
pjbasis posted...
I get the rest of your points but at the end of the day V was just more Ground Zeroes to me.

This might sound weird, but in some ways, V actually feels like less than Ground Zeroes.

In addition to all the base building collectathon stuff you mentioned which IMO just dilutes the game, V has absolutely nothing that compares to the richness of the Naval Prison Facility. The entire area was thoughtfully crafted, which is more than you can say for a majority of V's world - but more importantly, they squeezed a TON of actual meaningful content into it.

I was hoping V would have 100 hours of crazy shit like the side ops in Ground Zeroes, which brought with them actually different gameplay styles and mission types to re-explore the base in all kinds of different ways. Not only did V not live up to that expectation, they had no content whatsoever that matched those ops in terms of diversity or intrigue. The side-ops we ended up getting feel like they were slapped together by interns rather than Kojima's cream of the crop.

this post just tells me you haven't really delved deep into the mechanics of TPP

those side ops in GZ were there to introduce you to the ways you can finish missions in TPP

take for example that mission when you had to plant C4 at the AA guns, guess what? you can do that same thing in almost every mission in TPP to create distractions for you to extract prisoners.

that side op where you were in the chopper and had to cover someone's escape on the ground? you can do that in TPP, literally finish missions by calling in your chopper, getting on and then massacring the enemy base with that minigun

heavily armed soldiers in a base? sneak your way in and kill/extract them one by one. don't want to sneak? drop in a tank and literally lay waste to everything in your path
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Underleveled
09/10/18 7:02:10 PM
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How about Ghost Babel?
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Pirate_Harris
09/10/18 7:03:02 PM
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Whiskey_Nick posted...
2 > 4 > 1 > 3 > PW

3 > 1 > PW > 4 > 2
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Xiahou Shake
09/10/18 7:13:57 PM
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GranzonEx posted...
stuff

I've done all of this and much, much more - which is why I'm acknowledging the mechanics are fantastic.

The actual missions and areas themselves are completely abysmal though. A few buildings plopped thoughtlessly in a vast wasteland isn't good design no matter how many ways you can interact with them. And you can't tell me with a straight face that Rescue the Prisoners 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and Mine Clearing 11, 12, 13 and 14 bring any kind of variety that can keep up with the Hideo Kojima escort, Master Miller's MGS1 tribute/quiz show, Raiden's Snatcher hunt or really anything else at all in Ground Zeroes.
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ExThaNemesis
09/10/18 7:46:25 PM
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I fucking adored the base building aspect so much that I am currently working on finishing my fourth FOB and still doing the event FOBs in an effort to max them all out.

The goal is to eventually finish up with S++ soldiers filling every spot.
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WiggumFan267
09/10/18 8:56:45 PM
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peace walker is awful (gameplay wise anyway)
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Pirate_Harris
09/10/18 9:04:21 PM
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WiggumFan267 posted...
peace walker is awful (gameplay wise anyway)

It's actually not that bad
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dilateDChemist
09/10/18 9:07:12 PM
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MGS3 is the best of the bunch.
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redrocket
09/10/18 9:46:21 PM
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How's this for an opinion: Revengeance is the best Metal Gear game.
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LapisLazuli
09/10/18 9:49:14 PM
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LeonhartFour
09/10/18 9:50:15 PM
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redrocket posted...
How's this for an opinion: Revengeance is the best Metal Gear game.


popular hipster opinion imhotbqh
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MoogleKupo141
09/10/18 9:52:34 PM
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I raided a military camp to steal a She Blinded Me With Science cassette tape

MGSV is objectively the best
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TheRock1525
09/10/18 9:53:04 PM
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redrocket posted...
How's this for an opinion: Revengeance is the best Metal Gear game.


Most true statement in this topic.
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ExThaNemesis
09/10/18 11:19:49 PM
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MoogleKupo141 posted...
I raided a military camp to steal a She Blinded Me With Science cassette tape

MGSV is objectively the best


dialing up some helicopter support for Pequod to come raining hellfire down as The Final Countdown blares from the speakers is one of my favorite moments in all of my gaming history.
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Murphiroth
09/10/18 11:27:06 PM
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TheRock1525 posted...
redrocket posted...
How's this for an opinion: Revengeance is the best Metal Gear game.


Most true statement in this topic.

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Metal_DK
09/10/18 11:29:14 PM
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unpopular opinion: shifting the franchise to being more about big boss was dumb. 2 > 1 > 3 > 4 > who cares post 4
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ExThaNemesis
09/10/18 11:30:26 PM
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Uh what else were they supposed to do

Solid Snake's story was finished in 4.
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LeonhartFour
09/11/18 12:01:15 AM
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Yeah, making another game starring Solid Snake other than remakes of MG1 or MG2 would've been kinda dumb because MGS4 was designed to be his swan song and needed to stay that way.
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Metal_DK
09/11/18 12:31:28 AM
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Dont make anything after 4 tbh...

1 prequel game before snakes story was enough
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