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Paper_Okami
09/06/18 5:18:39 PM
#51:


i'm not the tc, you don't know how to read.

https://twitter.com/ByRosenberg/status/1037764374448943104

capitalism is not fucking sustainable

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-warehouse-workers-share-their-horror-stories-2018-4

this is a trillion dollar company
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Paper_Okami
09/06/18 5:19:05 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
I dont agree with American imperialism but I dont see how someone who believes in a global communist revolution has a leg to stand on when arguing against it


when did i argue that i believe in that?
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Paper_Okami
09/06/18 5:21:22 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
As in, if they are subscribing to an ideology that considers violent global revolution necessary, why should capitalists wait until the country is powerful enough to achieve that goal?


Okay so you are trying to argue a point that isn't even true.
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Paper_Okami
09/06/18 5:24:13 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...

Do you not understand the context of the Vietnam War?


are you seriously trying to defend the vietnam war?
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Paper_Okami
09/06/18 5:27:34 PM
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I don't believe in a global communist revolution. I believe it's best for workers and the people to control their own destiny in every single country, but i don't agree with outside forces trying force that upon them.
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Hexenherz
09/06/18 5:28:14 PM
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Paper_Okami posted...
i'm not the tc, you don't know how to read.

https://twitter.com/ByRosenberg/status/1037764374448943104

capitalism is not fucking sustainable

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-warehouse-workers-share-their-horror-stories-2018-4

this is a trillion dollar company

Communism is also not sustainable.
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KillerKhan420
09/06/18 5:29:25 PM
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Commies and facist belong in the same pit together. Combined they have the largest body count in history and I think it's a record that won't ever be matched. 100s of millions dead.
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FLUFFYGERM
09/06/18 5:32:54 PM
#64:


Paper_Okami posted...
i'm not the tc, you don't know how to read.

https://twitter.com/ByRosenberg/status/1037764374448943104

capitalism is not fucking sustainable

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-warehouse-workers-share-their-horror-stories-2018-4

this is a trillion dollar company


Amazon being a shitty company is Amazon's fault. Not capitalism's fault. Vote with your wallet.

And as for millennial renting...that data is missing a lot of absolutely relevant details. Like how people are living in bigger apartments/houses than they were even 30 years ago, in terms of square feet. It's also looking at averages rather than medians, which means the numbers are skewed by the leftist utopias like San Francisco where you need to pay $4,000 a month if you want to sleep inside a box.

Even the US average is not much higher than it was in 1985. And for mortgages, the average dropped in a few places that don't have systemic issues as bad as in LA or San Francisco.

Those places have severe restrictions on construction and housing supply. It's literally not capitalism's fault that people can't build enough properties there.
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FLUFFYGERM
09/06/18 5:34:26 PM
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KillerKhan420 posted...
Commies and facist belong in the same pit together. Combined they have the largest body count in history and I think it's a record that won't ever be matched. 100s of millions dead.


Indeed. What's truly unfortunate is that a ton of CEmen who label people as "Nazi" indiscriminately will then go and support Marxism in another topic. Completely ignoring their own history and the fact that their bodycount is bigger than Hitler's.

Both are absolutely abominable ideologies, but because of the awful education system and the propaganda machines people don't realize what communism does.
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HiddenLurker
09/06/18 5:35:19 PM
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dontIoseyourway posted...
they think for some reason they'd be a part of the elite

Exactly every single one of them see themselves as head of the country running things.
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Rad_Chad
09/06/18 5:35:42 PM
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people who did not live under communism romanticize it because they are usually high on dope all day and their brain doesn't work or they are the fucking dumb college students that revel in being irrational and stuff
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FLUFFYGERM
09/06/18 5:35:58 PM
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Godnorgosh posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Godnorgosh posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
As in, if they are subscribing to an ideology that considers violent global revolution necessary, why should capitalists wait until the country is powerful enough to achieve that goal?


I suspect you have me ignored, but once again, you're presupposing that it's a matter of preemptive national defense. It's not. With capitalism, imperialism is a matter of conquest and resource control and acquisition.

Im choosing not to respond because your posts are entirely rhetoric without any chance of good faith discussion.


I'm not seeing much good-faith discussion from you, considering you haven't acknowledged either P_O's points or mine. You've instead drawn a false equivalence between colonizer and colonized and asked us to consider, given the two groups' opposing interests, whether it's fair that the former allow the latter a chance to survive.


Why are you talking about shockthemonkey lacking good-faith? I've got numerous topics saved where your talking points get utterly ravaged and you completely lose any attempt at good faith. You've never even admitted to being wrong, despite being shown facts and strong evidence that dispute your claims. You just repeat the same bullshit arguments a couple weeks later in some other topic.
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Paper_Okami
09/06/18 5:36:09 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
Amazon being a shitty company is Amazon's fault. Not capitalism's fault. Vote with your wallet.


why does that logic not apply to communism?

in my city of boston capitalists are trying to evict the tenants in a building in the poorest area of boston because they want to build luxury condos

people were literally renting storage units to live in and they were evicted from them
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Cheater87
09/06/18 5:36:58 PM
#71:


Capitilism is for the rich, not the poor or middle class.
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FLUFFYGERM
09/06/18 5:38:27 PM
#72:


Paper_Okami posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Amazon being a shitty company is Amazon's fault. Not capitalism's fault. Vote with your wallet.


why does that logic not apply to communism?

in my city of boston capitalists are trying to evict the tenants in a building in the poorest area of boston because they want to build luxury condos

people were literally renting storage units to live in and they were evicted from them


Capitalism does not say anything about being shitty to your workers.

And why did you abandon your argument about millennial renting costs now vs the 1980s?
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FLUFFYGERM
09/06/18 5:38:48 PM
#73:


Cheater87 posted...
Capitilism is for the rich, not the poor or middle class.


The middle class across the entire planet has literally surged in standard of living over the last 200 years thanks to capitalism. The lower class too.
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ThanksUglyGod
09/06/18 5:42:24 PM
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Probably for the same reason why people defend supply-side economics. They see the good side of policies and hope that they can be implemented right this time.
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Questionmarktarius
09/06/18 5:42:46 PM
#77:


Paper_Okami posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Amazon being a shitty company is Amazon's fault. Not capitalism's fault. Vote with your wallet.


why does that logic not apply to communism?

in my city of boston capitalists are trying to evict the tenants in a building in the poorest area of boston because they want to build luxury condos

people were literally renting storage units to live in and they were evicted from them

What makes you think the situation would be any less awful under communism, wherein the state owns the buildings instead?

All that changes is a handful of nouns, with a minor shuffling of who the elites happen to be.
The laborers would be tossed out so the building could be bulldozed to build luxury housing for party VIPs. Also the process would be expedited as the owner wanting the eviction and the government enforcing it would be the same entity.
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EdgeMaster
09/06/18 5:43:44 PM
#78:


Paper_Okami posted...
lmao at citing the national review

shockthemonkey posted...
Seems like a weird thing to bring up if there arent any communist countries that could sustainably end poverty


there is not a single communist country that hasn't been undermined by the west.


Lmao believing Cuba has almost elimininated poverty.

New level of stupidity. They leave their shitty country in row boats despite how great and not impoverished it is.
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FLUFFYGERM
09/06/18 5:56:19 PM
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Godnorgosh posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Godnorgosh posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Godnorgosh posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
As in, if they are subscribing to an ideology that considers violent global revolution necessary, why should capitalists wait until the country is powerful enough to achieve that goal?


I suspect you have me ignored, but once again, you're presupposing that it's a matter of preemptive national defense. It's not. With capitalism, imperialism is a matter of conquest and resource control and acquisition.

Im choosing not to respond because your posts are entirely rhetoric without any chance of good faith discussion.


I'm not seeing much good-faith discussion from you, considering you haven't acknowledged either P_O's points or mine. You've instead drawn a false equivalence between colonizer and colonized and asked us to consider, given the two groups' opposing interests, whether it's fair that the former allow the latter a chance to survive.


Why are you talking about shockthemonkey lacking good-faith? I've got numerous topics saved where your talking points get utterly ravaged and you completely lose any attempt at good faith. You've never even admitted to being wrong, despite being shown facts and strong evidence that dispute your claims. You just repeat the same bullshit arguments a couple weeks later in some other topic.


I've always had rebuttals to your claims, to which you've either not responded or deflected to unrelated points. That's not even to say my claims were right, but you've never managed to convince me otherwise.


Literally anyone who was in those topics and not biased towards literal communism knows this is BS. And I can back it up with a bunch of saved topics if anyone wants to read them.
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Lorenzo_2003
09/06/18 6:04:46 PM
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IloveJesus posted...
Middle hope posted...
People that say communism never happened on a large scale, correct me if I'm wrong. Wasnt china a communist country? And all of Russia? And places like Bulgaria?


No, none of those places have actually been communist societies. They have claimed to be so because by pretending to be moving towards communism they can have dictators take charge and try to claim some sort of legitimacy.


It's always NotrueCommunist when it comes to these discussions. People will blame capitalism, democracy, monarchies, patriarchy and every other form of government or ideology as being the true and obvious evil of history, but then conveniently hand wave communism's abundant failures in the real world.
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FLUFFYGERM
09/06/18 6:06:21 PM
#83:


I like that you saved those, too, because that allows me to demonstrate where and why you fucked up.

lmao no dude, I saved them because it was at a time when you were more earnest in defending literal communism, and thus you weren't smart enough to know who on CE was dangerous to your worldview.
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FLUFFYGERM
09/06/18 6:09:12 PM
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Godnorgosh posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
I like that you saved those, too, because that allows me to demonstrate where and why you fucked up.

lmao no dude, I saved them because it was at a time when you were more earnest in defending literal communism, and thus you weren't smart enough to know who on CE was dangerous to your worldview.


Get a load of this, peeps, he thinks he's dangerous now.


It doesn't take much to demolish your fragile religious convictions, buddy.
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FLUFFYGERM
09/06/18 6:11:50 PM
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Godnorgosh posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Godnorgosh posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
I like that you saved those, too, because that allows me to demonstrate where and why you fucked up.

lmao no dude, I saved them because it was at a time when you were more earnest in defending literal communism, and thus you weren't smart enough to know who on CE was dangerous to your worldview.


Get a load of this, peeps, he thinks he's dangerous now.


It doesn't take much to demolish your fragile religious convictions, buddy.


Wait, are we talking about Marxism or Elon Musk?


I know you have a hard time keeping up, but we're talking about the numerous reasons it's insane to defend literal communism in 2018.
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FLUFFYGERM
09/06/18 6:18:25 PM
#89:


Literally every point you made has been addressed multiple times in the various topics over the last year.

Do I need to start posting screenshots of how you ran away
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FLUFFYGERM
09/06/18 6:22:57 PM
#90:


Hey Godnorgosh can you explain to us how Marx's violent revolution will work? How rich does someone need to be in order to be executed?
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FLUFFYGERM
09/06/18 6:25:22 PM
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Kinda weird how the people who are supposed to get the revolution going are unable to answer questions about how this violent revolution will even work.

SMH at least have some semblance of a backbone
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LinkAndEpona
09/06/18 6:28:26 PM
#93:


These people have given up.
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BlackWoman462-X
09/06/18 6:45:00 PM
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Some people want a hivemind to submit to.

Communism is incompatible with humans due to our free thought, desires, and aspirations.
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REMercsChamp
09/06/18 6:47:02 PM
#96:


Communism: "Manual laborers will rise up, overthrow the government and businesses and create a utopia"

Some people will believe anything I guess
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