Current Events > how were you supposed to know you had to use a super bomb in this area?

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What game?
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It is Metroid.

I only guessed because it was the only room with glass like that.
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What fuck that a pirate skeleton?
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because if you got stuck you'd press every button until something worked
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thronedfire2 posted...

because if you got stuck you'd press every button until something worked

if you have to try every button and action then it's not good game design.
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Anisoptera posted...

thronedfire2 posted...

because if you got stuck you'd press every button until something worked

if you have to try every button and action then it's not good game design.

well that's your fault if you don't get it right in the first couple tries
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I think that was something I had to look up and I still feel shame.
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I had to look that up too. I should have known
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You previously passed a broken variant of that where the glass frame had been completely destroyed from the inside.
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K181 posted...

You previously passed a broken variant of that where the glass frame had been completely destroyed from the inside.

This, only natural to try a super bomb there
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Why is an enemy from Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow in the Maridia tube??

you didn't have to fight a skeleton in this part of the game?
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Anisoptera posted...

you didn't have to fight a skeleton in this part of the game?

No but I did find the Pipe Boots and used the Woodbeam to defeat Father Brain.

Pleb filter. Games used to have them but if it were made today you'd have a billion quest markers and your bomb skill would flash or something.
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Nothing as bad as SoTN where you had to like kite a fucking skeleton to another screen and have him throw a burning barrel to break a wooden pathway
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Isn't the platform above the glass also a hint?

When youre there you actually enter a different area named Meridia. The map (and bgm) changes to a different one from Brinstar. As the player you go ah this is a new area and must be bigger than the three squares shown so you naturally seek ways to explore this area further.

Theres also the way the tube blocks off the room itself if one were moving through it on the outside. Pathways never overlap. To be able to vertically travel that chasm the tube would have to be removed somehow.
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Super Slash posted...

Isn't the platform above the glass also a hint?

Not sure about that, there are sometimes stuff placed in totally inaccessible areas that aren't required for completion. For instance, that weirdly colored enemy in the upper areas of the Wrecked Ship which you could only kill with the Wave Beam.
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I just figured it was some crossover area that you got to from another part of an underwater area...
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Nah seriously though whats that skeleton

It's actually great because they show it in the intro video that people tend to skip
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I can't remember if I used a guide or not.

But the platform outside the tube implies the tube is destructible. Would probably try all my weapons tbh.
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The proper way to go to Maridia is through the back of the Wrecked ship

From that way, you end up passing through a broken tube

And from there, you're supposed to put 2 and 2 together.

I also think that one of the demos shows her using a super bomb in there and the glass start cracking

Also, @Anisoptera what is with that skeleton?

* the glass tube is a hint that something is special about that area because you don't see that anywhere else in the game

* isn't the tube cracked?

AlisLandale posted...

But the platform outside the tube implies the tube is destructible. Would probably try all my weapons tbh.

another good point. the layout of the room should make the player ask questions like "why is that up there? i wonder if i can reach that?"

Super Metroid is practically the pinnacle of good game design
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Skeleton is an enemy that guards the tunnels.
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IIRC, you had just gotten the power bombs a short time ago, so using them was a no brainer.

Now what I can't explain is why I thought to use one in that specific place, but sure enough, I did.

It's pretty impressive that Super Metroid managed to get me to the ending without using a guide considering that I'm me, the guy who spent two hours looking for bombs in an attempt to get inside of Hyrule Castle.
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>not using power bombs in every single room

bruh did you even play SM
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ZM had a similar tube and breaking it was the only way to leave Chozodia
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doesnt the tube crack at a certain point when you enter that area? thought that was an obvious hint
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I feel like that's one of the first things I'd try.
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green butter posted...

doesnt the tube crack at a certain point when you enter that area? thought that was an obvious hint

I dont think so

MC_BatCommander posted...

>not using power bombs in every single room

bruh did you even play SM

Fusion and Zero Mission? Obviously you use it everywhere you can.

Super Metroid though? Given that the game gives you the X-Ray Visor and re-stocking Power Bombs(and Super Missiles) is a goddamn pain in the ass... No. Obviously you don't do that unless you have good reason to think there's an item or secret passage nearby AND you don't have safe, even ground to use the Visor on.
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Is it not obvious? Super bombs are the only way to kill Castlevania bosses in Metroid games lol
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Anisoptera posted...

Skeleton is a boss from Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow and it is here for some reason or another.

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That and the wall jump in Super Metroid are the only two things I've had to look up and I don't feel bad about either. Bad design choices can still happen in great games.
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That doesn't seem as bad as Simon's Quest.

How the hell would anyone know that equipping a specific orb and kneeling in front of a body of water would drain it?

One of the most esoteric and nonsensical games I have ever played.
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Anisoptera posted...

thronedfire2 posted...

because if you got stuck you'd press every button until something worked

if you have to try every button and action then it's not good game design.

You must hates games what doesn't holds your hands.

SpiralDrift posted...

That and the wall jump in Super Metroid are the only two things I've had to look up and I don't feel bad about either. Bad design choices can still happen in great games.

the wall jump? the little animal things show you exactly what to do <_<
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

SpiralDrift posted...

That and the wall jump in Super Metroid are the only two things I've had to look up and I don't feel bad about either. Bad design choices can still happen in great games.

the wall jump? the little animal things show you exactly what to do <_<

Also in one of the opening demo vids
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voldothegr8 posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

SpiralDrift posted...

That and the wall jump in Super Metroid are the only two things I've had to look up and I don't feel bad about either. Bad design choices can still happen in great games.

the wall jump? the little animal things show you exactly what to do <_<

Also in one of the opening demo vids

It's easy to assume it's a power-up you need to find first. The move is fairly tricky to pull off to begin with and nothing tells you how to do it, so if you try once and fail it seems pretty clear you need to just look around some more for the power-up.
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because it's literally a glass pipe dude oh my god. why wouldn't you try to blow it up?

did you guys not play the first metroid game where tunnels always had stuff hidden in them?

i caught it immediately as a kid.
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Pancake posted...

because it's literally a glass pipe dude oh my god. why wouldn't you try to blow it up?

I was not a very brave kid
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Pancake posted...

because it's literally a glass pipe dude oh my god. why wouldn't you try to blow it up?

did you guys not play the first metroid game where tunnels always had stuff hidden in them?

i caught it immediately as a kid.

If missiles or shooting at it won't break it, then how can a superbomb?
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Anisoptera posted...

If missiles or shooting at it won't break it, then how can a superbomb?

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Theyre power bombs ffs
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SpiralDrift posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

SpiralDrift posted...

That and the wall jump in Super Metroid are the only two things I've had to look up and I don't feel bad about either. Bad design choices can still happen in great games.

the wall jump? the little animal things show you exactly what to do <_<

Also in one of the opening demo vids

It's easy to assume it's a power-up you need to find first. The move is fairly tricky to pull off to begin with and nothing tells you how to do it, so if you try once and fail it seems pretty clear you need to just look around some more for the power-up.

Yeah, I'll agree with the glass pipe being something to figure out, but I remember the wall jump being a bitch in that game.
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I got stuck here for a long time before looking it up.

I came from playing RPG's. You better believe if something is limited stock I'm never using it unless it's impossible to move on without it. I don't care if I finish the game with 99 Elixers. I might need them later
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because it's literally a glass pipe dude oh my god. why wouldn't you try to blow it up?

Giant_Aspirin posted...

* the glass tube is a hint that something is special about that area because you don't see that anywhere else in the game

* isn't the tube cracked?

AlisLandale posted...

But the platform outside the tube implies the tube is destructible. Would probably try all my weapons tbh.

another good point. the layout of the room should make the player ask questions like "why is that up there? i wonder if i can reach that?"

Super Metroid is practically the pinnacle of good game design

All of this is too vague IMO. I know I had to resort to a guide way back then. Another issue is that ammo is limited. I didn't like experimenting with weapons since I never knew when I would actually NEED them. Don't want to be caught off guard.
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