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Makeveli_lives
09/01/18 7:12:58 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svt_RRxQnzo" data-time="


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s0nicfan
09/01/18 7:16:09 PM
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It's a shame that they're dealing with the whole downgrade controversy, because if they showed off this footage at E3 instead of the dressed up footage, people would still be blown away.
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Makeveli_lives
09/01/18 7:18:15 PM
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People seriously still believe there's a downgrade?
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s0nicfan
09/01/18 7:20:15 PM
#4:


Makeveli_lives posted...
People seriously still believe there's a downgrade?


It's pretty obvious there was a downgrade. That doesn't mean that going from "impossibly good looking" to "fantastic looking" makes it a bad game, but it also doesn't do anyone a service to pretend like the E3 footage wasn't upgraded the way a dozen other hyped up AAA games have in the past decade. It happens. Who cares?
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TheDarkCircle
09/01/18 7:23:23 PM
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Yeah it's obviously a graphic downgrade from what was presented. It doesn't bother me with the way the game actually looks per se. What bothers me is people defending misleading marketing/advertising
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REMercsChamp
09/01/18 7:32:19 PM
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If I was 14 years old I would think this is really cool
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Makeveli_lives
09/01/18 7:34:28 PM
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TheDarkCircle posted...
Yeah it's obviously a graphic downgrade from what was presented. It doesn't bother me with the way the game actually looks per se. What bothers me is people defending misleading marketing/advertising

It's one still photograph. All of the footage looks just as good as it did before.
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2SweetforTurtle
09/01/18 7:35:09 PM
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There is no downgrade
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s0nicfan
09/01/18 7:35:58 PM
#9:


Makeveli_lives posted...
TheDarkCircle posted...
Yeah it's obviously a graphic downgrade from what was presented. It doesn't bother me with the way the game actually looks per se. What bothers me is people defending misleading marketing/advertising

It's one still photograph. All of the footage looks just as good as it did before.


The streets are less populated. The dynamic lighting is reduced. Spider-man's costume is flatter. Either you're half blind or just desperate for the game to be the greatest thing ever to not notice these things, as if the downgrade somehow hurts you as a person if true.

EDIT: Proof:
BEFORE: https://i.redd.it/rc4tj9xa2qi11.gif
AFTER: https://i.redd.it/s9jh1mya2qi11.gif
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X-Pac_Heat
09/01/18 7:36:45 PM
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There very clearly is a downgrade, it's jut not nearly as big of a deal as some make it out to be.

It's not like a Watch Dogs level of downgrade.
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Makeveli_lives
09/01/18 7:38:39 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Makeveli_lives posted...
TheDarkCircle posted...
Yeah it's obviously a graphic downgrade from what was presented. It doesn't bother me with the way the game actually looks per se. What bothers me is people defending misleading marketing/advertising

It's one still photograph. All of the footage looks just as good as it did before.


The streets are less populated. The dynamic lighting is reduced. Spider-man's costume is flatter. Either you're half blind or just desperate for the game to be the greatest thing ever to not notice these things, as if the downgrade somehow hurts you as a person if true.

Prove this. Cause all I see everywhere is that one picture comparing puddles.
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s0nicfan
09/01/18 7:38:59 PM
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Makeveli_lives posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Makeveli_lives posted...
TheDarkCircle posted...
Yeah it's obviously a graphic downgrade from what was presented. It doesn't bother me with the way the game actually looks per se. What bothers me is people defending misleading marketing/advertising

It's one still photograph. All of the footage looks just as good as it did before.


The streets are less populated. The dynamic lighting is reduced. Spider-man's costume is flatter. Either you're half blind or just desperate for the game to be the greatest thing ever to not notice these things, as if the downgrade somehow hurts you as a person if true.

Prove this. Cause all I see everywhere is that one picture comparing puddles.


BEFORE: https://i.redd.it/rc4tj9xa2qi11.gif
AFTER: https://i.redd.it/s9jh1mya2qi11.gif
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boxington
09/01/18 7:39:20 PM
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game looks amazing, but from what I've seen, I don't like how it looks like there are only specific ways you can fight the bosses
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AlecSkorpio
09/01/18 7:40:19 PM
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I'm gonna get it, but I'm also baffled because it looks so much like the Amazing Spider-Man game except more polished.

And everyone shit all over those games.
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Awesome
09/01/18 7:40:55 PM
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solution is for companies to only run demo's and game trailers on consumer hardware. the game industry is trash and has been for a long time.
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Hawaiian_punch
09/01/18 7:42:29 PM
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Makeveli_lives posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svt_RRxQnzo" data-time="


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Is it me or the stealth ideas are pretty much copied from the Batman games ?
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Makeveli_lives
09/01/18 7:42:49 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Makeveli_lives posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Makeveli_lives posted...
TheDarkCircle posted...
Yeah it's obviously a graphic downgrade from what was presented. It doesn't bother me with the way the game actually looks per se. What bothers me is people defending misleading marketing/advertising

It's one still photograph. All of the footage looks just as good as it did before.


The streets are less populated. The dynamic lighting is reduced. Spider-man's costume is flatter. Either you're half blind or just desperate for the game to be the greatest thing ever to not notice these things, as if the downgrade somehow hurts you as a person if true.

Prove this. Cause all I see everywhere is that one picture comparing puddles.


BEFORE: https://i.redd.it/rc4tj9xa2qi11.gif
AFTER: https://i.redd.it/s9jh1mya2qi11.gif

How can you accurately compare 2 shots at different times of the day. Change the lighting that drastically, no shit its going to look different and certain details will look less impressive.
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s0nicfan
09/01/18 7:44:08 PM
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Makeveli_lives posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Makeveli_lives posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Makeveli_lives posted...
TheDarkCircle posted...
Yeah it's obviously a graphic downgrade from what was presented. It doesn't bother me with the way the game actually looks per se. What bothers me is people defending misleading marketing/advertising

It's one still photograph. All of the footage looks just as good as it did before.


The streets are less populated. The dynamic lighting is reduced. Spider-man's costume is flatter. Either you're half blind or just desperate for the game to be the greatest thing ever to not notice these things, as if the downgrade somehow hurts you as a person if true.

Prove this. Cause all I see everywhere is that one picture comparing puddles.


BEFORE: https://i.redd.it/rc4tj9xa2qi11.gif
AFTER: https://i.redd.it/s9jh1mya2qi11.gif

How can you accurately compare 2 shots at different times of the day. Change the lighting that drastically, no shit its going to look different and certain details will look less impressive.


Okay, you're clearly just desperately shilling the game. I hope it's good, and I hope you enjoy it, but if you honestly, truly, don't see the clear difference between those two gifs then I would seriously consider having someone give you a ride to a good optometrist, because I wouldn't trust you on the roads.
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ModLogic
09/01/18 7:45:27 PM
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Awesome posted...
solution is for companies to only run demo's and game trailers on consumer hardware. the game industry is trash and has been for a long time.

the solution is for the gamers to stop being so fucking gullible. do the same people see a big mac ad on tv then get upset the how a real big mac looks

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Darkninja42
09/01/18 7:49:15 PM
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What do they show off? Anything that could be considered major? I don't want to spoil myself too much
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boxington
09/01/18 7:51:54 PM
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Darkninja42 posted...
What do they show off? Anything that could be considered major? I don't want to spoil myself too much

a boss fight, a few different costumes and their abilities, a stealth segment, web swinging, and some fighting
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Makeveli_lives
09/01/18 8:02:59 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Okay, you're clearly just desperately shilling the game. I hope it's good, and I hope you enjoy it, but if you honestly, truly, don't see the clear difference between those two gifs then I would seriously consider having someone give you a ride to a good optometrist, because I wouldn't trust you on the roads.

I'm not shilling there's obviously a difference. There's also a difference in lighting which is the easiest way to change the optics of any visual.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_T99Vl-fJo" data-time="


It is not better or worse, it simply looks different
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megamanfreakXD
09/01/18 8:05:28 PM
#23:


Why are people surprised?

It's not a PC game, of course it will get downgraded.
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Makeveli_lives
09/01/18 8:08:24 PM
#24:


Digital foundry is currently working on a video due out next week, also calling bullshit on the downgrade rumors so there's that as well.
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Forlorn_Ass
09/01/18 8:10:41 PM
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It looks boring. Expecting a 7/10 game.
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s0nicfan
09/01/18 8:33:09 PM
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Makeveli_lives posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Okay, you're clearly just desperately shilling the game. I hope it's good, and I hope you enjoy it, but if you honestly, truly, don't see the clear difference between those two gifs then I would seriously consider having someone give you a ride to a good optometrist, because I wouldn't trust you on the roads.

I'm not shilling there's obviously a difference. There's also a difference in lighting which is the easiest way to change the optics of any visual.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_T99Vl-fJo" data-time="


It is not better or worse, it simply looks different


And no amount of "but the lighting" changes the fact that the costume is STILL flatter and the streets are STILL less populated. Even in the video you posted, the contours and detail of the shadows cast is the same even if the colors are different due to the lighting. I made a series of complaints, and you laser-focused on the one that the devs already publicly argued against with the "lighting" counter. The reality is they toned down their dynamic shadows and depopulated their streets, like most games do, because dynamic shadows and AI KILLS framerate. We get it... you think the game looks good (and it does), but it objectively looks worse than the E3 trailer. Just accept it and stop arguing here because you're just not right on this one.
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Dragonblade01
09/01/18 8:36:36 PM
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It's not actually a big deal.
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frogman_295
09/01/18 8:37:34 PM
#28:


That looks really fun.
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GameboyTroy
09/02/18 9:31:35 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kecGu2X0cbc" data-time="

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SSJGrimReaper
09/02/18 9:33:39 PM
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i haven't been keeping up have they shown the mary jane gameplay segments yet
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HylianFox
09/02/18 9:34:32 PM
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no puddles = no buy
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CruelBuffalo
09/02/18 9:34:42 PM
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Didnt know they still made dreamcast games
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KiwiTerraRizing
09/02/18 9:35:16 PM
#33:


Makeveli_lives posted...
People seriously still believe there's a downgrade?


There was
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Darmik
09/02/18 9:58:43 PM
#34:


s0nicfan posted...
And no amount of "but the lighting" changes the fact that the costume is STILL flatter and the streets are STILL less populated. Even in the video you posted, the contours and detail of the shadows cast is the same even if the colors are different due to the lighting. I made a series of complaints, and you laser-focused on the one that the devs already publicly argued against with the "lighting" counter. The reality is they toned down their dynamic shadows and depopulated their streets, like most games do, because dynamic shadows and AI KILLS framerate. We get it... you think the game looks good (and it does), but it objectively looks worse than the E3 trailer. Just accept it and stop arguing here because you're just not right on this one.


But in the other gameplay demo's there's denser traffic.

Lighting looks better here
https://abload.de/img/s5kd8a.gif

Here's the same location that caused the controversy with more puddles and the sunset lighting
JPyzZWd

It's an open world game. Things are more variable.
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Makeveli_lives
09/03/18 7:08:54 AM
#35:


KiwiTerraRizing posted...
Makeveli_lives posted...
People seriously still believe there's a downgrade?


There was

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOLVLSIeRI8" data-time="

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Makeveli_lives
09/03/18 7:54:34 AM
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@KiwiTerraRizing
@s0nicfan

Part 1: https://reddit.app.link/6RSRL1alTP

Part 2: https://reddit.app.link/HPK2XLilTP

Part 3: https://reddit.app.link/hvOQVACqTP

Where's the downgrade
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Makeveli_lives
09/03/18 8:01:26 AM
#37:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxT8fUS9EyI" data-time="


More video
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s0nicfan
09/03/18 2:39:57 PM
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Makeveli_lives posted...
@KiwiTerraRizing
@s0nicfan

Part 1: https://reddit.app.link/6RSRL1alTP

Part 2: https://reddit.app.link/HPK2XLilTP

Part 3: https://reddit.app.link/hvOQVACqTP

Where's the downgrade


The shadows are still flat. You previously used the excuse that "well yea, but the lighting is different" and then proceed to share 4 "high noon" videos. So either you still haven't found footage to convince me they dumbed down the lighting and shadows... or that new footage is the best it's going to look, at which point they've STILL dumbed down the lighting and shadows. If you have it, show me morning or evening footage, since that's where you're going to see the most dramatic lighting.
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Makeveli_lives
09/04/18 4:32:59 PM
#39:


s0nicfan posted...
Makeveli_lives posted...
@KiwiTerraRizing
@s0nicfan

Part 1: https://reddit.app.link/6RSRL1alTP

Part 2: https://reddit.app.link/HPK2XLilTP

Part 3: https://reddit.app.link/hvOQVACqTP

Where's the downgrade


The shadows are still flat. You previously used the excuse that "well yea, but the lighting is different" and then proceed to share 4 "high noon" videos. So either you still haven't found footage to convince me they dumbed down the lighting and shadows... or that new footage is the best it's going to look, at which point they've STILL dumbed down the lighting and shadows. If you have it, show me morning or evening footage, since that's where you're going to see the most dramatic lighting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2wr7vebb6Y" data-time="
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2wr7vebb6Y" data-time="

@s0nicfan
@KiwiTerraRizing

I'm not letting this go, about 4 minutes in. Light reflects differently on different material

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2wr7vebb6Y" data-time="
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2wr7vebb6Y" data-time="
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09/04/18 4:37:41 PM
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s0nicfan
09/04/18 4:38:57 PM
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You mean like how at the 16 minute mark they specifically point out that they downgraded the cube map texture, replacing it by a low res generic one, because it would have been too hard or time consuming to have in the whole game?
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Makeveli_lives
09/04/18 4:45:33 PM
#42:


s0nicfan posted...
You mean like how at the 16 minute mark they specifically point out that they downgraded the cube map texture, replacing it by a low res generic one, because it would have been too hard or time consuming to have in the whole game?

You really trying to say a downgrade is proved by the team choosing to take an easier route regarding reflections on water and glass? Not to mention this was never brought up in this topic. You brought up population density and a less detailed suit.
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s0nicfan
09/04/18 4:46:28 PM
#43:


Makeveli_lives posted...
s0nicfan posted...
You mean like how at the 16 minute mark they specifically point out that they downgraded the cube map texture, replacing it by a low res generic one, because it would have been too hard or time consuming to have in the whole game?

You really trying to say a downgrade is proved by the team choosing to take an easier route regarding reflections on water and glass? Not to mention this was never brought up in this topic. You brought up population density and a less detailed suit.


You posted a video analysis where they literally explain in detail how and why the reflections were downgraded. Either you didn't watch the video before posting it, or you didn't comprehend it, but if your goal was to convince me that no downgrade happened, you played yourself hard.
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clearaflagrantj
09/04/18 4:46:35 PM
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REMercsChamp posted...
If I was 14 years old I would think this is really cool

Sounds like you're going to love this game in three years then
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PiOverlord
09/04/18 4:47:29 PM
#45:


This really goes to show if it's a game that people want to like, they will gladly conveniently forget they were criticizing other games for doing things that these games do.
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Darmik
09/04/18 4:49:08 PM
#46:


s0nicfan posted...
You posted a video analysis where they literally explain in detail how and why the reflections were downgraded. Either you didn't watch the video before posting it, or you didn't comprehend it, but if your goal was to convince me that no downgrade happened, you played yourself hard.


Digital Foundry literally called the entire game an upgrade from the E3 demo.
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Makeveli_lives
09/04/18 5:00:46 PM
#47:


s0nicfan posted...
You posted a video analysis where they literally explain in detail how and why the reflections were downgraded. Either you didn't watch the video before posting it, or you didn't comprehend it, but if your goal was to convince me that no downgrade happened, you played yourself hard.

They spend like 5 minutes at the 23:45
mark explaining in ocd level detail that overall it looks better and more realistic in the final game then the e3 demo,and thus it's more of an upgrade then anything.
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KiwiTerraRizing
09/04/18 5:12:31 PM
#48:


Why did I get tagged on this?
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Makeveli_lives
09/04/18 5:18:34 PM
#49:


KiwiTerraRizing posted...
Why did I get tagged on this?

KiwiTerraRizing posted...
Makeveli_lives posted...
People seriously still believe there's a downgrade?


There was

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Colorahdo
09/04/18 5:22:01 PM
#50:


REMercsChamp posted...
If I was 14 years old I would think this is really cool


Yeah I honestly don't understand the hype. Looks like a regular game you'd find at Blockbuster as a kid and be like "alright guess I'll get this for the weekend"

It's not Elder Scrolls 5...
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