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IslamMD
08/31/18 3:00:20 PM
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/31/entertainment/vanessa-marquez-er-dead/index.html

Vanessa Marquez, an actress best known for her recurring role as a nurse on the NBC drama "ER," was shot and killed by police in South Pasadena, California on Thursday, according to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. Police were called to the 1100 Block of Fremont Avenue in South Pasadena just before 2 p.m. local time on Thursday to perform a welfare check. Upon arrival, Marquez, 49, was having seizures and appeared to be suffering from mental issues, officials told CNN. After about 90-minutes of trying to offer Marquez medical help, police said she armed herself with what appeared to be a handgun and police opened fire. The weapon turned out to be a BB gun, investigators said. Marquez played nurse Wendy Goldman on "ER" for three seasons, from 1994-97. Though her character never had major storylines, she was sometimes involved in episode subplots, some of which had a light-hearted bent.
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Blue_Inigo
08/31/18 3:00:38 PM
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Fuck the police
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_BIueMonk
08/31/18 3:01:47 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Fuck the police

did you even read the story?
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Vyrulisse
08/31/18 3:02:20 PM
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That's awful but when someone brandishes a gun of any sort there's no time to guess if it's a BB gun or not. Especially if someone is acting mental as it is.
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KamenRiderBlade
08/31/18 3:03:15 PM
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GregShmedley posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Fuck the police


*eyeroll*

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dreamvoid
08/31/18 3:04:11 PM
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i would need to see a picture of the bb gun to judge this. some look exactly like pistols, while others are obvious just from looking that it's a bb gun.
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pauIie
08/31/18 3:04:51 PM
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i'm hearing people call it a suicide by cop

RIP
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Zikten
08/31/18 3:05:16 PM
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_BIueMonk posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Fuck the police

did you even read the story?

Yes the cops are cowards
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NeonOctopus
08/31/18 3:05:43 PM
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MedzXVIII
08/31/18 3:06:44 PM
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Not smart to shoot at the police
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Vyrulisse
08/31/18 3:07:54 PM
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Zikten posted...
_BIueMonk posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Fuck the police

did you even read the story?

Yes the cops are cowards

I'm sure you'd be like a movie superhero cop and shoot the gun right out of her hands eh?
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dreamvoid
08/31/18 3:08:24 PM
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MedzXVIII posted...
Not smart to shoot at the police

it would be worse for the police if she did shoot it, because that would make it obvious it was a bb gun.
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KamenRiderBlade
08/31/18 3:08:57 PM
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Zikten posted...
_BIueMonk posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Fuck the police

did you even read the story?

Yes the cops are cowards
I dare you to live the lives and do the jobs that cops do in a harsh city like LA.

It's easy to criticize them when you're a keyboard activist.
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Tyranthraxus
08/31/18 3:09:18 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Fuck the police


She was having seizures, mental breakdowns, and the cops were trying to get her medical attention for 90 minutes before she opened fire with a BB gun.

I mean like come on this isn't like Tamir Rice where the police straight up did a drive by shooting.
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E32005
08/31/18 3:24:09 PM
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Again: mental health pros need to be at these calls

LA sheriff does this
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Blue_Inigo
08/31/18 3:24:37 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Fuck the police


She was having seizures, mental breakdowns, and the cops were trying to get her medical attention for 90 minutes before she opened fire with a BB gun.

I mean like come on this isn't like Tamir Rice where the police straight up did a drive by shooting.

She didnt deserve to die for this
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DarthAragorn
08/31/18 3:25:55 PM
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This seems like fair next
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KStateKing17
08/31/18 3:26:40 PM
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This is just unfortunate
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Tyranthraxus
08/31/18 3:26:58 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Fuck the police


She was having seizures, mental breakdowns, and the cops were trying to get her medical attention for 90 minutes before she opened fire with a BB gun.

I mean like come on this isn't like Tamir Rice where the police straight up did a drive by shooting.

She didnt deserve to die for this

No but this is hardly a "fuck the police" situation. It looks like they tried really hard to bring her in peacefully.
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DerRickSanchez
08/31/18 3:46:34 PM
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Why not wait until she shoots
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happibivouac
08/31/18 3:47:36 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Fuck the police

comin' straight from the underground!
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Pogo_Marimo
08/31/18 3:51:12 PM
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Unfortunate but I can't fault the police.
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Roshon
08/31/18 4:08:34 PM
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Police need to be re-trained. This is not okay.
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Roshon
08/31/18 4:09:09 PM
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We need police reform
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MedzXVIII
08/31/18 4:12:02 PM
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The same people who say all police are murders also say we do not need guns because the police have guns
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Jerry_Hellyeah
08/31/18 4:13:59 PM
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Cops showed up to a mentally ill persons house to make sure they were okay.

In this situation, you dont send the pussy idiots who cant handle any kind of dangerous situation.

Cops should be forced to watch a PG-13 scary movie in the academy. Then they can just send the pants pissing losers home.
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Pogo_Marimo
08/31/18 4:26:42 PM
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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
Cops showed up to a mentally ill persons house to make sure they were okay.

In this situation, you dont send the pussy idiots who cant handle any kind of dangerous situation.

Cops should be forced to watch a PG-13 scary movie in the academy. Then they can just send the pants pissing losers home.

The woman pulled out a gun... No amount of "bravery" or "courage" can stop a 9mm bullet.
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DocileOrangeCup
08/31/18 4:38:23 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
She was having seizures, mental breakdowns, and the cops were trying to get her medical attention for 90 minutes before she opened fire with a BB gun.

She shot at them?
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Jerry_Hellyeah
08/31/18 4:39:51 PM
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Pogo_Marimo posted...
Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
Cops showed up to a mentally ill persons house to make sure they were okay.

In this situation, you dont send the pussy idiots who cant handle any kind of dangerous situation.

Cops should be forced to watch a PG-13 scary movie in the academy. Then they can just send the pants pissing losers home.

The woman pulled out a gun... No amount of "bravery" or "courage" can stop a 9mm bullet.


BB gun, other officers, training.....take your pick.

I get that its a VERY dangerous situation, but just like these kids with fake guns that have been killed, there were other avenues besides shit your pants and kill.
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Vyrulisse
08/31/18 4:40:48 PM
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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
Pogo_Marimo posted...
Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
Cops showed up to a mentally ill persons house to make sure they were okay.

In this situation, you dont send the pussy idiots who cant handle any kind of dangerous situation.

Cops should be forced to watch a PG-13 scary movie in the academy. Then they can just send the pants pissing losers home.

The woman pulled out a gun... No amount of "bravery" or "courage" can stop a 9mm bullet.


BB gun, other officers, training.....take your pick.

I get that its a VERY dangerous situation, but just like these kids with fake guns that have been killed, there were other avenues besides shit your pants and kill.

Someone acting mental.
Already a tense situation.
Suddenly mental person pulls a gun of some sort.

There's no time to think in that situation. It's not a movie.
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eston
08/31/18 4:41:52 PM
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She was having a medical emergency and it wouldn't have made any sense to have her restrained in any way. She pulled a gun and they reacted. I don't fault anyone in this scenario. It sucks that this happened.
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DerRickSanchez
08/31/18 4:53:12 PM
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If they did things by the book this wouldn't suck

But that that sour taste in your mouth is you knowing this is wrong

Cops should be braver than shoot first ask questions last
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DarkTransient
08/31/18 4:55:06 PM
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Vyrulisse posted...
Someone acting mental.
Already a tense situation.
Suddenly mental person pulls a gun of some sort.

There's no time to think in that situation. It's not a movie.


This. It's a fucking shitty situation with a fucking shitty outcome for sure, but it's also completely understandable why it happened.
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Bio1590
08/31/18 4:58:31 PM
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Why didn't they have her restrained >_>
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Pogo_Marimo
08/31/18 5:03:09 PM
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DerRickSanchez posted...
If they did things by the book this wouldn't suck

But that that sour taste in your mouth is you knowing this is wrong

Cops should be braver than shoot first ask questions last

This literally IS by the book. The law specifically allows police to use deadly force if there is a objectively reasonable belief their life is in danger.
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Dragon239
08/31/18 5:03:57 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
Why didn't they have her restrained >_>

Yeah, how do you be there for 90 minutes and not have control of the situation? And where were the actual medical personnel once it was obvious somebody needed help?
Baffling.
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DemonBuffet
08/31/18 5:05:04 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Fuck the police

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
Cops showed up to a mentally ill persons house to make sure they were okay.

In this situation, you dont send the pussy idiots who cant handle any kind of dangerous situation.

Cops should be forced to watch a PG-13 scary movie in the academy. Then they can just send the pants pissing losers home.

You guys do know those model bb guns look just like a handgun at a distance.
Instead of neutralizing the threat, should they have taken their chances and let a mental ill woman wielding what appeared to be a handgun to open fire on them and the neighbors?
The police actually do their job as they were trained to do and you guys still bitch?
If marshall law ever took place in society, youd guys be the first to cry for help.
You guys are fucking morons.
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L0Z
08/31/18 5:05:25 PM
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topic title had me thinking the bb gun was part of a set while filming for a tv show and some dumb cop unaware of any tv show filming going on shot her
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DerRickSanchez
08/31/18 5:07:30 PM
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

This literally IS by the book. The law specifically allows police to use deadly force if there is a objectively reasonable belief their life is in danger.

People like you are why it's acceptable to shoot a guy crawling on his knees trying to pull up his falling shorts

But he could have could have been pulling out a gun and matrix flipped and killed them
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Pogo_Marimo
08/31/18 5:07:35 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
Why didn't they have her restrained >_>

Trying not to use force? On the flip side, as soon as police wrestle someone to the ground or taser them, people claim its excessive force because police needed to muscle around a black woman who wasn't even violent.
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Pogo_Marimo
08/31/18 5:09:46 PM
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DerRickSanchez posted...
Pogo_Marimo posted...

This literally IS by the book. The law specifically allows police to use deadly force if there is a objectively reasonable belief their life is in danger.

People like you are why it's acceptable to shoot a guy crawling on his knees trying to pull up his falling shorts

But he could have could have been pulling out a gun and matrix flipped and killed them

I think the thousands of people who have shot and killed police in the span of 2 seconds are the ones responsible for those laws.
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DerRickSanchez
08/31/18 5:11:32 PM
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Can you point to situations where a perp had guns pointed at him and was allowed was allowed to pull out a gun a kill a cop
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omega cookie
08/31/18 5:13:07 PM
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This is the very definition of fair, next.

Bye bye, stupid.
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Pogo_Marimo
08/31/18 5:21:41 PM
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DerRickSanchez posted...
Can you point to situations where a perp had guns pointed at him and was allowed was allowed to pull out a gun a kill a cop

Yes...? Search "Police officer killed in shootout" on Google.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Someone pulling out a gun.... Is not dangerous... If police are already pointing a gun at them?

Can you also please take a modicum of time to proofread your posts so I don't have to decipher what you're trying to say in caveman speak?
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WafflehouseJK
08/31/18 5:22:08 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
Vyrulisse posted...
Someone acting mental.
Already a tense situation.
Suddenly mental person pulls a gun of some sort.

There's no time to think in that situation. It's not a movie.


This. It's a fucking shitty situation with a fucking shitty outcome for sure, but it's also completely understandable why it happened.

This.

Ideally she wouldn't have been killed, but you can hardly blame the cops for this one.
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DerRickSanchez
08/31/18 5:26:02 PM
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

Yes...? Search "Police officer killed in shootout" on Google.

A shootout is very different than a guy reaching in his pocket and pulling out a gun and killing a cop with a gun pointed at him
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masterpug53
08/31/18 5:26:42 PM
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Roshon posted...
Police need to be re-trained. This is not okay.


I know right, what cop in this day and age doesn't know to use VATs to shoot the weapon out of their hand?
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MedzXVIII
08/31/18 5:28:58 PM
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masterpug53 posted...
Roshon posted...
Police need to be re-trained. This is not okay.


I know right, what cop in this day and age doesn't know to use VATs to shoot the weapon out of their hand?

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Grischnak
08/31/18 5:29:50 PM
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I've recently gotten into watching police dash cam and body cam videos and after watching tons of them it has really become clear how absurd the cop haters are in most cases. Most police shootings really are quite reasonable. There are exceptions. Though even those are generally due to poor decisions and not outright malicious actions. The thing I've found most fascinating is how many chances the police give the criminals generally. Normally they try dozens of times to get the situation settled without violence. But some people refuse to listen and needlessly make situations a lot worse then they need to be. I have a hard time blaming cops for criminals being idiots.
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