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Lebronwon 08/28/18 1:53:03 PM #1:	https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/08/louis-ck-aziz-ansari-and-the-ongoing-power-of-dudedesire/568729/ The #MeToo comeback storya common one these days, and one that will likely become increasingly common as we approach the one-year anniversary of the Times and The New Yorkers initial reporting on Harvey Weinsteinis often discussed in terms of moral extremes. On the one hand, theres the small and specific: the comeback, staged precisely at the whim and/or the strategy of the famous person in question, typically with the help of PR and legal teams expert in trial ballooning and public apologizing that use this combined expertise to plan the timing and messaging of the comeback. And on the other hand: Theres the suggestion, commonly invoked as a broad alternative to this precision, that if the comeback doesnt happen in this precise way, at this precise moment, the famous person in question will be Banished Forever From Good Society. There cant be a permanent life sentence on someone who does something wrong, Noam Dworman, the owner of the Comedy Cellar, told the Times. (Dworman invoked the prison metaphor even as he noted that he had not made the decision to host C.K. He had been at home, asleep, while C.K. had been on the Cellar stage, Dworman said; he learned of C.K.s appearance only after club staff texted him about it.) Famous man, straw man: It is an intoxicating combination. It is also a misleading one. Of course #MeToo comebacks are possible in the middle ground; of course notions of restorative justicewhich are nuanced, and holistically empathetic, and focus their energies on victims as well as perpetratorsshould be part of the calculus when it comes to conversations about forgiveness and responsibility and the long arc of a professional and moral career. Whats less tenable, though, is the widespread notion that the comebacks should be treated as all-or-nothing, black-or-white events. Whats less palatable is the insistent lack of nuance that tends to characterize discussions about comebacks, be it C.K.s or Ansaris or Lauers or Charlie Roses or Mario Batalis or Garrison Keillors. Make his return entirely on his own termsin a surprise set at the Comedy Cellar, in a series of shows in Milwaukeeor be banished; come back in precisely the way he wants, or be canceled. Those, it is so often assumed, are the options. Ansari, for his part, banned phones at his showa common practice in comedy performances, but one that had the effect not only of allowing an engaged audience unencumbered by social media, as Vulture put it, but also of precluding widespread public discussion, or criticism, of his performance by that audience. The effect, once again? A comeback that plays out on Ansaris terms. Ansaris set, like C.K.s, seems also to have ultimately elephant-roomed the allegations against him into slow, willful oblivion: His material in this post-#MeToo context, Vulture reports, was more or less what it looked like before. --- Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 <cite>Lebronwon posted [p:907695021] in Louis C.K.... [t:76944760]...</cite> <quote>https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/08/louis-ck-aziz-ansari-and-the-ongoing-power-of-dudedesire/568729/ The #MeToo comeback storya common one these days, and one that will likely become increasingly common as we approach the one-year anniversary of the Times and The New Yorkers initial reporting on Harvey Weinsteinis often discussed in terms of moral extremes. On the one hand, theres the small and specific: the comeback, staged precisely at the whim and/or the strategy of the famous person in question, typically with the help of PR and legal teams expert in trial ballooning and public apologizing that use this combined expertise to plan the timing and messaging of the comeback. And on the other hand: Theres the suggestion, commonly invoked as a broad alternative to this precision, that if the comeback doesnt happen in this precise way, at this precise moment, the famous person in question will be Banished Forever From Good Society. There cant be a permanent life sentence on someone who does something wrong, Noam Dworman, the owner of the Comedy Cellar, told the Times. (Dworman invoked the prison metaphor even as he noted that he had not made the decision to host C.K. He had been at home, asleep, while C.K. had been on the Cellar stage, Dworman said; he learned of C.K.s appearance only after club staff texted him about it.) Famous man, straw man: It is an intoxicating combination. It is also a misleading one. Of course #MeToo comebacks are possible in the middle ground; of course notions of restorative justicewhich are nuanced, and holistically empathetic, and focus their energies on victims as well as perpetratorsshould be part of the calculus when it comes to conversations about forgiveness and responsibility and the long arc of a professional and moral career. Whats less tenable, though, is the widespread notion that the comebacks should be treated as all-or-nothing, black-or-white events. Whats less palatable is the insistent lack of nuance that tends to characterize discussions about comebacks, be it C.K.s or Ansaris or Lauers or Charlie Roses or Mario Batalis or Garrison Keillors. Make his return entirely on his own termsin a surprise set at the Comedy Cellar, in a series of shows in Milwaukeeor be banished; come back in precisely the way he wants, or be canceled. Those, it is so often assumed, are the options. Ansari, for his part, banned phones at his showa common practice in comedy performances, but one that had the effect not only of allowing an engaged audience unencumbered by social media, as Vulture put it, but also of precluding widespread public discussion, or criticism, of his performance by that audience. The effect, once again? A comeback that plays out on Ansaris terms. Ansaris set, like C.K.s, seems also to have ultimately elephant-roomed the allegations against him into slow, willful oblivion: His material in this post-#MeToo context, Vulture reports, was more or less what it looked like before.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muffinz0rz 08/28/18 1:54:34 PM #2:	I can't locate the thesis of this article --- Not removing this until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010) 2018 NFLB Summersim (8-8): ELIMINATED FROM PLAYOFFS :( <cite>Muffinz0rz posted [p:907695092] in Louis C.K.... [t:76944760]...</cite> <quote>I can't locate the thesis of this article</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 08/28/18 1:58:44 PM #3:	the article lumps aziz and lauer together instant nope --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:907695314] in Louis C.K.... [t:76944760]...</cite> <quote>the article lumps aziz and lauer together instant nope</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lebronwon 08/28/18 2:05:36 PM #4:	Muffinz0rz posted... I can't locate the thesis of this article The #MeToo comebacks are coming. And theyre revolving, once again, around the desires of those who needed to negotiate the returns in the first place. --- Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 <cite>Lebronwon posted [p:907695722] in Louis C.K.... [t:76944760]...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>I can't locate the thesis of this article</quote> The #MeToo comebacks are coming. And theyre revolving, once again, around the desires of those who needed to negotiate the returns in the first place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mcpwnia 08/28/18 2:25:10 PM #6:	shockthemonkey posted... I dont understand why Aziz is put in the same breath as people who have actually done things wrong. same --- http://i.minus.com/ieu2wE.gif https://imgur.com/gKHH1EP https://imgur.com/gwbShnd <cite>mcpwnia posted [p:907696840] in Louis C.K.... [t:76944760]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>I dont understand why Aziz is put in the same breath as people who have actually done things wrong.</quote> same</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Inigo 08/28/18 2:25:43 PM #7:	Aziz didnt do shit --- "This is your last dance." <cite>Blue_Inigo posted [p:907696868] in Louis C.K.... [t:76944760]...</cite> <quote>Aziz didnt do shit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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