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Espeon
08/28/18 11:14:25 AM
#101:


Jakyl25 posted...
UItimaterializer posted...

Ignorance is bliss. If you turn the TV off and stop giving a f***, you'll notice the president has virtually no effect on your life.


If anyone wants to know the definition of privilege...


Couldnt this same logic be applied to if Hillary Clinton was president?
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UItimaterializer
08/28/18 11:16:00 AM
#102:


https://i.redd.it/dja7d35q0ui11.jpg

They're totally not censoring conservatives though guys.
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Jakyl25
08/28/18 11:20:50 AM
#103:


xp1337 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
If anyone wants to know the definition of privilege...

I think that's off in the same way that saying all rectangles are square would be.

Certainly you would need to be in a position of privilege to believe that, but at the same time you can be in a position of privilege and still have empathy for those who aren't.


Thats all Im saying

If its true for you, youre privileged. That absolutely doesnt mean you shouldnt care
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Jakyl25
08/28/18 11:21:10 AM
#104:


Espeon posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
UItimaterializer posted...

Ignorance is bliss. If you turn the TV off and stop giving a f***, you'll notice the president has virtually no effect on your life.


If anyone wants to know the definition of privilege...


Couldnt this same logic be applied to if Hillary Clinton was president?


Yes
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Not_an_Owl
08/28/18 11:30:30 AM
#105:


Ignorance is also a really shitty policy for a voter in a democratic society, btw.
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Espeon
08/28/18 11:31:41 AM
#106:


For the record, I was responding to Ultis comment since I cant actually see it. Just seems oh so convenient for a person to claim oh whats the big deal, it doesnt affect you when theyre the one in power, yet whine to high heavens about SJWs and Hillary.
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Jakyl25
08/28/18 11:43:58 AM
#107:


Oh okay

Yeah maybe we need to remind him in every topic that hes not welcome?

Ulti, youre not welcome here
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ChaosTonyV4
08/28/18 12:46:49 PM
#108:


UItimaterializer posted...
https://i.redd.it/dja7d35q0ui11.jpg

They're totally not censoring conservatives though guys.


He probably reposted it either on his timeline or on someone elses comments repeatedly.

Ive had that exact thing happen, too, but Conservatives have to play the victim.
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CelesMyUserName
08/28/18 12:53:47 PM
#109:


BREAKING NEWS: Facebook Deletes Spam!!!!
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Forceful_Dragon
08/28/18 1:19:58 PM
#110:


Businessman is elected president and he makes life easier and more profitable for other businessmen in a time where corporations (operated by businessmen) are already disproportionately wealthy.

Don't get me wrong this is better than being in the throes of the housing crash, but forgive me for not thinking the number on the stock market ticker is the most important issue our country faces.

Its doubly unimpressive when you consider the economic growth and deregulation that preceded our last crash.

But hey as long as corporate execs manage to line their pockets before the shit hits the fan lets all smile for the picture!! -_-
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Reg
08/28/18 1:54:36 PM
#111:


Speaking of fucking lies, https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/08/att-backed-robocalls-tell-seniors-net-neutrality-raises-phone-bills-by-30/

Nationalize the TelCos and ISPs already. And do something about the fuckers that just straight up lie to people for financial (and political) gain.
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LordoftheMorons
08/28/18 2:04:44 PM
#112:


If conservatives want more of their websites to show up in an unbiased search then maybe they should make more right-leaning-but-factual news sites.
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CelesMyUserName
08/28/18 2:12:53 PM
#113:


I can't wait for the Trump admin to enforce the literal definition of censorship and the Vlado/Ulti types will applaud it
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Kenri
08/28/18 2:12:53 PM
#114:


LordoftheMorons posted...
right-leaning-but-factual

??
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LordoftheMorons
08/28/18 2:15:58 PM
#115:


CelesMyUserName posted...
I can't wait for the Trump admin to enforce the literal definition of censorship and the Vlado/Ulti types will applaud it

Vlado already applauds that shit (plus other "great" stuff like murdering drug users)
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CelesMyUserName
08/28/18 2:27:33 PM
#116:


..............................

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1034459814737453057

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I have no words
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Peace___Frog
08/28/18 2:31:50 PM
#117:


Kenri posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
right-leaning-but-factual

??

Qft
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XIII_rocks
08/28/18 2:34:10 PM
#118:


Care to explain that? You can have a lean and still be factual. There are no totally unbiased news sources.
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Reg
08/28/18 2:38:10 PM
#119:


The US right wing has not dealt in facts for ten years at a minimum.

It's not a matter of bias. They're just fucking incapable of it. Look at Fox.
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LordoftheMorons
08/28/18 2:48:04 PM
#120:


Foxs news division (Chris Wallace et al) is actually mostly reasonable. The problem is that their opinion (Hannity et al) are fucking batshit crazy and they purposefully dont make that distinction clear (plus totally ridiculous editorial decisions with their coverage like more prominently covering Mollie Tibbetts death than Cohen/Manafort, etc)
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Reg
08/28/18 2:51:08 PM
#121:


That was my point, yes. Fox is the closest thing the US has to a reasonable, fact-driven right-leaning news outlet.

And they still go out of their way to hide the reasonable parts and drown it in propaganda and falsehood.

The US right wing does not deal in facts, mostly because they don't want to.
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TheRock1525
08/28/18 2:53:31 PM
#122:


Chris Wallace ain't as great as people make him out to be. He's a lot better than the opinion group but that's a terribly low bar.

Shepard Smith is a legit journalist, though.
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Not_an_Owl
08/28/18 4:12:31 PM
#123:


A reminder that every president of these United States has been terrible, though some more than others:

https://twitter.com/InstantSunrise/status/1033959100327976960
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UItimaterializer
08/28/18 4:19:43 PM
#124:


Not_an_Owl posted...
A reminder that every president of these United States has been terrible, though some more than others:

https://twitter.com/InstantSunrise/status/1033959100327976960

That is seriously impressive.
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UItimaterializer
08/28/18 4:21:59 PM
#125:


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-israa-alghomgham-execution-womens-rights-political-activist-qatif-a8501411.html

Pathetic.
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pxlated
08/28/18 4:23:54 PM
#126:


that's fucked up.

it would be nice if the us stopped supporting the saudi regime! and stopped selling them hundreds of millions of dollars worth of military gear! and providing them military intelligence and support!
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Suprak the Stud
08/28/18 4:26:20 PM
#127:


Not_an_Owl posted...
A reminder that every president of these United States has been terrible, though some more than others:

https://twitter.com/InstantSunrise/status/1033959100327976960


There's like four in there she doesn't say any bad things about at all.

FAKE NEWS

FALSE ADVERTISING
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woodman
08/28/18 4:26:47 PM
#128:


"Started in actual war in North Africa"

yarr
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XIII_rocks
08/28/18 4:29:43 PM
#129:


Suprak the Stud posted...
Not_an_Owl posted...
A reminder that every president of these United States has been terrible, though some more than others:

https://twitter.com/InstantSunrise/status/1033959100327976960


There's like four in there she doesn't say any bad things about at all.

FAKE NEWS

FALSE ADVERTISING


It's a bit unfair to judge every president by the standards of today too imo.

I see people dragging Churchill in the same way sometimes, he said some pretty racist shit

Now Churchill isn't the godlike perfect hero that he's romanticised as sometimes (nobody ever is) but he's not some awful fuck either and in the context of the time, it's not so ridiculous. It would of course be a scandal and severely reduce his chances of getting him elected if he said shit like that today (I would have said "make him unelectable" but I'm not so sure at the moment).
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woodman
08/28/18 4:30:46 PM
#130:


"William Howard Taft. Was in the pocket of big business"

wait what
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XIII_rocks
08/28/18 4:32:06 PM
#131:


Reg posted...
That was my point, yes. Fox is the closest thing the US has to a reasonable, fact-driven right-leaning news outlet.

And they still go out of their way to hide the reasonable parts and drown it in propaganda and falsehood.

The US right wing does not deal in facts, mostly because they don't want to.


I don't think it's that cut-and-dried but whatever
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Jakyl25
08/28/18 4:51:05 PM
#132:


Here let me help:

Actual right-leaning fact-based journalism in the United States is best exemplified by the Wall Street Journal
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Jakyl25
08/28/18 4:51:58 PM
#133:


XIII_rocks posted...

It's a bit unfair to judge every president by the standards of today too imo.

I see people dragging Churchill in the same way sometimes, he said some pretty racist s***

Now Churchill isn't the godlike perfect hero that he's romanticised as sometimes (nobody ever is) but he's not some awful f*** either and in the context of the time, it's not so ridiculous. It would of course be a scandal and severely reduce his chances of getting him elected if he said s*** like that today (I would have said "make him unelectable" but I'm not so sure at the moment).


Theres a difference between that and, like, actually owning slaves
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UItimaterializer
08/28/18 4:53:28 PM
#134:


pxlated posted...
that's fucked up.

it would be nice if the us stopped supporting the saudi regime! and stopped selling them hundreds of millions of dollars worth of military gear! and providing them military intelligence and support!

No arguments here. You know the people who say well if you don't want to pay for entitlement programs, why are we paying for wars? I'm on the side of those people, but I don't want to pay for any of it. No reason for either.

Jakyl25 posted...
Here let me help:

Actual right-leaning fact-based journalism in the United States is best exemplified by the Wall Street Journal

No arguments here either, but I'm throwing Forbes in too. They're fantastic.
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trdl23
08/28/18 4:55:22 PM
#135:


The actual staff of Forbes is usually good, but the barrel of monkeys considered Forbes Contributors is a total crapshoot.
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UItimaterializer
08/28/18 4:56:22 PM
#136:


So is any opinion piece.
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trdl23
08/28/18 4:57:30 PM
#137:


Are those limited only to Op/Eds? If so, lol.
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Reg
08/28/18 5:05:10 PM
#138:


Jakyl25 posted...
Here let me help:

Actual right-leaning fact-based journalism in the United States is best exemplified by the Wall Street Journal

Is WSJ even particularly right-leaning if you disregard the Op-Eds?

If so, I actually agree. I'm not sure they are though.
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red sox 777
08/28/18 5:07:33 PM
#139:


WSJ is the most right leaning of "serious" publications. Which is to say, they haven't lost their minds.
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Jakyl25
08/28/18 5:07:53 PM
#140:


I think so. Theyre just honest reporting but more focused on right-wing concerns
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red sox 777
08/28/18 5:11:05 PM
#141:


And to all the people saying the voters should hold Trump/Republicans responsible: The voters are holding Hillary and the Democrats responsible right now. It took a long time, but at last the electorate decided enough was enough and gave the GOP all branches of government.
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ChaosTonyV4
08/28/18 5:13:06 PM
#142:


red sox 777 posted...
And to all the people saying the voters should hold Trump/Republicans responsible: The voters are holding Hillary and the Democrats responsible right now. It took a long time, but at last the electorate decided enough was enough and gave the GOP all branches of government.


If the GOP loses the House this year, who's being held responsible?
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Reg
08/28/18 5:14:16 PM
#143:


I guess

I don't actually read WSJ because they're pretty hard on the paywall, so I was basically under the impression that they were honest/straightforward with a heavy orientation towards business news (Which can be taken as a right-wing slant I guess). I'll take your word on it
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Reg
08/28/18 5:15:25 PM
#144:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
If the GOP loses the House this year, who's being held responsible?

1) Please don't quote red sox posts, doubly so when he's spouting disingenious nonsense
2) If you're going to, at least don't ignore the fact that he conflates "The voters" with "The electoral college"
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red sox 777
08/28/18 5:17:32 PM
#145:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
red sox 777 posted...
And to all the people saying the voters should hold Trump/Republicans responsible: The voters are holding Hillary and the Democrats responsible right now. It took a long time, but at last the electorate decided enough was enough and gave the GOP all branches of government.


If the GOP loses the House this year, who's being held responsible?


Republicans.
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xp1337
08/28/18 5:32:17 PM
#146:


Official death toll from Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico being updated from 64 to 2975.

I know we briefly talked about this when the study came out showing the 2975 number, but now it's being ordered to be made official.
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Suprak the Stud
08/28/18 6:46:09 PM
#147:


https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/28/politics/trump-evangelicals-midterms/index.html

Trump, very astutely, realizes what an effective motivator fear is and seems to be trying to do his best to scare Evangelicals into voting for him because of "violence" that will occur if they don't. So that's cool.
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xp1337
08/28/18 6:53:00 PM
#149:


This is a better summary of that event IMO although both cover the point you're making:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/trump-told-christian-leaders-he-got-rid-of-law-he-didn-n904471

Has more excerpts from the event. The link itself refers to Trump telling them he got rid of the Johnson Amendment (prohibits churches and charities from participating in political campaigns) which... he didn't.
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Eddv
08/28/18 6:53:10 PM
#150:


woodman posted...
"William Howard Taft. Was in the pocket of big business"

wait what


William Howard Taft was so aggressive in his execution of anti trust that it dragged Teddy out of retirement!
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