Current Events > Cyberpunk 2077 Tweets Transphobic Joke, Studio Apologizes 'To All Those Offended

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NinjaBreakfast
08/22/18 5:07:43 PM
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people outraged over women and POC in a video game and a dev saying 'if you don't like it don't buy it': "lol stop overreacting trans people who cares if you're an eternal punchline in our minds :)"
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08/22/18 5:14:05 PM
#102:


IslamMD posted...
Much like saying how youve decided to identify as an attack helicopter is a way to mock transgender folks

love how they are so close minded and not accepting of others
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MakoReizei
08/22/18 5:14:59 PM
#103:


when is this game even coming out
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SH_expert44
08/22/18 5:15:43 PM
#104:


MakoReizei posted...
when is this game even coming out

Q? 2077
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thanosibe
08/22/18 5:21:54 PM
#105:


CyricZ posted...
thanosibe posted...
It's almost like intent bears no discussion in this incident.

As a former mod, I've lost count of the number of moderation disputes I handled where the person who was modded said "But I didn't mean to flame/troll/be offensive."

In short, there are times where intent doesn't bear discussion.

I've noted the stated intent, certainly, but that doesn't change that the person running the CDPR Twitter was apparently ignorant of how it could be taken. I can understand the average CEman not knowing, but a PR person should be a bit more aware.
Well if we can get a straight and honest answer from the one individual using the companys twitter account whether or not he/she meant to be malicious or not I guess well never know.

But an apology by the company for the one employees post means at least they knew it was potentially offensive and tried to make amends.

The outrage at the apology is just shit though. I see nothing wrong with it. Its a standard fair apology.
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dave_is_slick
08/22/18 5:38:22 PM
#106:


gunplagirl posted...
You know an awful lot about the aggressions and invalidations launched against trans identities, as you're an active enforcer of said aggressions.

This is why no one takes you seriously. I'd wish you a nice day, but I can't even pretend to have respect for you.
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Awesome
08/22/18 5:40:35 PM
#107:


https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/screenshot_20180822-093600-01-jpg.524889/

resetera banned a user whos even trans who didnt agree that cdprojekt had any bad intent with the message, that site is a cult and should be shut down just like neogaf was.
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Vyrulisse
08/22/18 5:43:04 PM
#108:


I love how an apology isn't enough for these people either. They're so warped and up their own asses they want CDPR to basically grovel at their feet for forgiveness. It's insanity.
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Questionmarktarius
08/22/18 5:43:31 PM
#109:


Awesome posted...
that site is a cult and should be shut down just like neogaf was

Cults gonna cult.
Just let it cult. Driving off everyone who refuses to, uh, cult, just means it'll implode on itself eventually.
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Funbazooka
08/22/18 5:46:28 PM
#110:


dave_is_slick posted...
gunplagirl posted...
You know an awful lot about the aggressions and invalidations launched against trans identities, as you're an active enforcer of said aggressions.

This is why no one takes you seriously. I'd wish you a nice day, but I can't even pretend to have respect for you.

You're the Grand Wizard of Microaggressions!
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gunplagirl
08/22/18 5:50:07 PM
#111:


dave_is_slick posted...
gunplagirl posted...
You know an awful lot about the aggressions and invalidations launched against trans identities, as you're an active enforcer of said aggressions.

This is why no one takes you seriously. I'd wish you a nice day, but I can't even pretend to have respect for you.

You can't take somebody who self advocates seriously and that person happens to be a woman. Duly noted.

I don't want your respect, for what it's worth. You treat vulnerable communities like crap all the time, I'd have to be a pretty awful person to earn your respect.
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gunplagirl
08/22/18 5:51:28 PM
#112:


Funbazooka posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
gunplagirl posted...
You know an awful lot about the aggressions and invalidations launched against trans identities, as you're an active enforcer of said aggressions.

This is why no one takes you seriously. I'd wish you a nice day, but I can't even pretend to have respect for you.

You're the Grand Wizard of Microaggressions!

*stares at your signature*

...imma letchu finish but I just wanted to say,
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YellowSUV
08/22/18 6:02:58 PM
#113:


Awesome posted...
(link from Kiwi Farms)

resetera banned a user whos even trans who didnt agree that cdprojekt had any bad intent with the message, that site is a cult and should be shut down just like neogaf was.


I wonder if that was a Kiwi Farms member pretending to be transgender. I remember in the past on the Kiwi Farms forum there was somebody who pretended to be black on Resetera and was really angry when he finally got banned for his bigotry. Maybe he thought he had some kind of immunity just because he claimed he was black. Also, for what its worth, someone on Kiwi Farms said that they are secretly a mod on Resetera, although that could be complete bullshit.
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Vyrulisse
08/22/18 6:03:57 PM
#114:


YellowSUV posted...
Awesome posted...
(link from Kiwi Farms)

resetera banned a user whos even trans who didnt agree that cdprojekt had any bad intent with the message, that site is a cult and should be shut down just like neogaf was.


I wonder if that was a Kiwi Farms member pretending to be transgender. I remember in the past on the Kiwi Farms forum there was somebody who pretended to be black on Resetera and was really angry when he finally got banned for his bigotry. Maybe he thought he had some kind of immunity just because he claimed he was black. Also, for what its worth, someone on Kiwi Farms said that they are secretly a mod on Resetera, although that could be complete bullshit.

Most Kiwis are content to observe and document and more often than not they as a community don't like it when someone there gets involved.
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YellowSUV
08/22/18 6:06:12 PM
#115:


Vyrulisse posted...
I love how an apology isn't enough for these people either. They're so warped and up their own asses they want CDPR to basically grovel at their feet for forgiveness. It's insanity.


https://twitter.com/CyberpunkGame/status/1031930291772899329

the "apology" is
Sorry to all those offended by one of the responses sent out from our account earlier. Harming anyone was never our intention.


That's at best a half-assed apology. Just imagine somebody saying this...

Sorry to all those hurt by one of the people who kicked people in the balls earlier. Harming anyone was never our intention.

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Funbazooka
08/22/18 6:10:35 PM
#116:


What's wrong with saying you apologize to those you offended?

The ones who were offended wanted the apology, no?
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dave_is_slick
08/22/18 6:13:05 PM
#118:


YellowSUV posted...
Vyrulisse posted...
I love how an apology isn't enough for these people either. They're so warped and up their own asses they want CDPR to basically grovel at their feet for forgiveness. It's insanity.


https://twitter.com/CyberpunkGame/status/1031930291772899329

the "apology" is
Sorry to all those offended by one of the responses sent out from our account earlier. Harming anyone was never our intention.


That's at best a half-assed apology. Just imagine somebody saying this...

Sorry to all those hurt by one of the people who kicked people in the balls earlier. Harming anyone was never our intention.

What's the problem? Unless you're trying to equate objective pain to something only the most extreme of extreme find offensive. If so, just stop.
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Funbazooka
08/22/18 6:17:33 PM
#119:


"I'm offended. Apologize, now!"

"We apologize to those we offended."

"HOW DARE YOU! REEEEEE!"
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The-Apostle
08/22/18 6:22:16 PM
#120:


Some people just get offended by everything, even stuff that's not offensive at all.
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CyricZ
08/22/18 6:34:55 PM
#121:


thanosibe posted...
Well if we can get a straight and honest answer from the one individual using the companys twitter account whether or not he/she meant to be malicious or not I guess well never know.

But an apology by the company for the one employees post means at least they knew it was potentially offensive and tried to make amends.

The outrage at the apology is just shit though. I see nothing wrong with it. Its a standard fair apology.

Well that's changing the argument. The apology isn't for me to accept or not. Just as its not for me to get offended on behalf of the trans community about this whole brouhaha.

I'm just here in solidarity.
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Leanaunfurled
08/22/18 6:48:10 PM
#122:


Really annoying how CDPR--and any company in a similar situation--apologized about this crap. Just give this whiny vocal group the middle finger and move on.
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chrono625
08/22/18 6:49:44 PM
#123:


YellowSUV posted...
Vyrulisse posted...
I love how an apology isn't enough for these people either. They're so warped and up their own asses they want CDPR to basically grovel at their feet for forgiveness. It's insanity.


https://twitter.com/CyberpunkGame/status/1031930291772899329

the "apology" is
Sorry to all those offended by one of the responses sent out from our account earlier. Harming anyone was never our intention.


That's at best a half-assed apology. Just imagine somebody saying this...

Sorry to all those hurt by one of the people who kicked people in the balls earlier. Harming anyone was never our intention.


are you gunplagirl's alt? or just a horrible unironic poster?
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Freddie_Mercury
08/22/18 6:51:25 PM
#124:


do people still unironically make those basic bitch "edgy" jokes in in the year of our lord 2k18
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KamenRiderBlade
08/22/18 6:58:00 PM
#125:


Leanaunfurled posted...
Really annoying how CDPR--and any company in a similar situation--apologized about this crap. Just give this whiny vocal group the middle finger and move on.
I concur, I think all companies need to toughen up and give these whiny complaints a team picture worth of middle fingers.
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Funbazooka
08/23/18 2:13:11 AM
#126:


Mister Metokur weighs in on the nontroversy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85WgYkMbHBA" data-time="

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Doe
08/23/18 8:48:47 AM
#127:


He's totally right that people who want to be mad will keep on being mad. We've seen this exact thing happen again and again. The only apology good enough for Twitter Warriors is the offender's name and any trace of their actions being wiped from the timeline.
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YellowSUV
08/23/18 9:40:37 PM
#128:


Sincere apologies do not blame the other person.

For example...

We are sorry for one of the offensive responses sent out from our account earlier. Harming anyone was never our intention.


is much more sincere than...

Sorry to all those offended by one of the responses sent out from our account earlier. Harming anyone was never our intention.


It is a subtle difference but the 1st one makes it clear that the blame in no way goes to the offended people. The 2nd one makes it seem like they are sorry people got offended by their joke and this wouldn't be an issue if no one got offended.

Someone who runs the PR for a company should know the nuances of the English language.
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YellowSUV
08/23/18 9:50:40 PM
#130:


16-BITTER posted...
YellowSUV posted...
The 2nd one makes it seem like they are sorry people got offended by their joke and this wouldn't be an issue if no one got offended.

Well... It wouldn't be an issue if no one got offended, would it?


Well yeah, that's the point. CDPR's apology tweet implies that those who are offended are the issue.
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Doe
08/23/18 9:54:05 PM
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dave_is_slick
08/23/18 10:03:17 PM
#132:


YellowSUV posted...
The 2nd one makes it seem like they are sorry people got offended by their joke and this wouldn't be an issue if no one got offended.

Still not seeing the horribleness of this. You have to actively try to make this some awful thing.
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08/23/18 10:04:16 PM
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Leanaunfurled
08/23/18 10:54:01 PM
#134:


YellowSUV posted...
CDPR's apology tweet implies that those who are offended are the issue.

Well.

They are. :)
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gunplagirl
08/24/18 12:49:35 AM
#135:


YellowSUV posted...
Sincere apologies do not blame the other person.

For example...

We are sorry for one of the offensive responses sent out from our account earlier. Harming anyone was never our intention.


is much more sincere than...

Sorry to all those offended by one of the responses sent out from our account earlier. Harming anyone was never our intention.


It is a subtle difference but the 1st one makes it clear that the blame in no way goes to the offended people. The 2nd one makes it seem like they are sorry people got offended by their joke and this wouldn't be an issue if no one got offended.

Someone who runs the PR for a company should know the nuances of the English language.

Somebody who understands the English language and why this isn't a good apology at all.
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gunplagirl
08/24/18 12:53:30 AM
#136:


Leanaunfurled posted...
YellowSUV posted...
CDPR's apology tweet implies that those who are offended are the issue.

Well.

They are. :)


I'm pretty sure that transphobic people are the issue, and that their repeated attacks on trans people at every opportunity resulting in trans people being aware of the subtle attacks on us is a reasonable survival mechanism. Saying it's trans people's fault for finding something offensive is like saying it's black people's fault they find the n-word offensive when white people say it even though black people can say it. It's totally and completely ignoring any deeper understanding of the issues at hand that resulted in the phrase being used as an attack on that group.
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Funbazooka
08/24/18 3:52:17 PM
#137:


Assuming gender =/= transphobia

Making jokes about assuming gender =/= transphobia
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