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Balrog0 08/16/18 2:50:24 PM #1:	but the GOP offers neither https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/8/16/17698602/socialism-capitalism-false-dichotomy-kevin-williamson-column-republican-ocasio-cortez ...I disagree with Elizabeth Warren on a slew of policy particulars on the minimum wage, single-payer health care, and the Trans-Pacific Partnership, for example but I think her recent affirmation of the progressive power of capitalist dynamism gets the bigger picture basically right: I am a capitalist. ... I believe in markets. What I dont believe in is theft, what I dont believe in is cheating. Thats where the difference is. I love what markets can do, I love what functioning economies can do. They are what make us rich, they are what create opportunity. But only fair markets, markets with rules. Markets without rules is about the rich take it all, its about the powerful get all of it. And thats whats gone wrong in America. --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:906995570] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote>but the GOP offers neither https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/8/16/17698602/socialism-capitalism-false-dichotomy-kevin-williamson-column-republican-ocasio-cortez ...I disagree with Elizabeth Warren on a slew of policy particulars on the minimum wage, single-payer health care, and the Trans-Pacific Partnership, for example but I think her recent affirmation of the progressive power of capitalist dynamism gets the bigger picture basically right: I am a capitalist. ... I believe in markets. What I dont believe in is theft, what I dont believe in is cheating. Thats where the difference is. I love what markets can do, I love what functioning economies can do. They are what make us rich, they are what create opportunity. But only fair markets, markets with rules. Markets without rules is about the rich take it all, its about the powerful get all of it. And thats whats gone wrong in America.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/16/18 3:52:25 PM #2:	Market rules are what literally allows the cheating and theft. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:906999391] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote>Market rules are what literally allows the cheating and theft.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Polycosm 08/16/18 3:55:38 PM #3:	tag for later --- BKSheikah owned me so thoroughly in the 2017 guru contest, I'd swear he used the Lens of Truth to pick his bracket. (thengamer.com/guru) <cite>Polycosm posted [p:906999564] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote>tag for later</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 08/16/18 3:57:07 PM #4:	You know who made the markets unfair? The government by sticking their nose in business and springing up monopolized industries where its impossible for a start up to comepete because of all the regulations and existing businesses that the government subsidizes --- I don't know my gimmick "Does that sound reasonable to you?" <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:906999652] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote>You know who made the markets unfair? The government by sticking their nose in business and springing up monopolized industries where its impossible for a start up to comepete because of all the regulations and existing businesses that the government subsidizes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romulox28 08/16/18 3:58:13 PM #5:	always confuses me how internet socialists whine about how corrupt and inefficient our govt is and then hope that more shit gets nationalized so our govt can have more control over things. makes no sense, idk how someone can look at our school system for example and hope that this is done with ALL private industries lol --- https://imgur.com/LhwwG <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:906999715] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote>always confuses me how internet socialists whine about how corrupt and inefficient our govt is and then hope that more shit gets nationalized so our govt can have more control over things. makes no sense, idk how someone can look at our school system for example and hope that this is done with ALL private industries lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paper_Okami 08/16/18 3:58:35 PM #6:	darkjedilink posted... Market rules are what literally allows the cheating and theft. lmao --- "Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman "Wimmy Wham Wham Wozzle!" -Slurms MacKenzie <cite>Paper_Okami posted [p:906999728] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Market rules are what literally allows the cheating and theft.</quote> lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 08/16/18 3:58:37 PM #7:	darkjedilink posted... Kazi1212 posted... lol --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:906999729] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 08/16/18 3:59:20 PM #8:	The socialist vs capitalism dichotomy is fucking annoying. Capitalism needs regulation but we still need capitalism. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:906999775] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote>The socialist vs capitalism dichotomy is fucking annoying. Capitalism needs regulation but we still need capitalism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 08/16/18 3:59:23 PM #9:	Romulox28 posted... always confuses me how internet socialists whine about how corrupt and inefficient our govt is and then hope that more shit gets nationalized so our govt can have more control over things. makes no sense, idk how someone can look at our school system for example and hope that this is done with ALL private industries lol Exactly my point. --- I don't know my gimmick "Does that sound reasonable to you?" <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:906999780] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote>always confuses me how internet socialists whine about how corrupt and inefficient our govt is and then hope that more shit gets nationalized so our govt can have more control over things. makes no sense, idk how someone can look at our school system for example and hope that this is done with ALL private industries lol</quote> Exactly my point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BWing 08/16/18 3:59:32 PM #10:	darkjedilink posted... Market rules are what literally allows the cheating and theft. In the same way murder is a crime because there are laws against it? <cite>BWing posted [p:906999792] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Market rules are what literally allows the cheating and theft.</quote> In the same way murder is a crime because there are laws against it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 08/16/18 4:00:19 PM #11:	Doom_Art posted... darkjedilink posted... Kazi1212 posted... lol Oh so all these mega conglomerates became so without any government help whatsoever eh? Keep being delusional --- I don't know my gimmick "Does that sound reasonable to you?" <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:906999842] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> lol</quote> Oh so all these mega conglomerates became so without any government help whatsoever eh? Keep being delusional</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 08/16/18 4:01:24 PM #12:	Romulox28 posted... always confuses me how internet socialists whine about how corrupt and inefficient our govt is and then hope that more shit gets nationalized so our govt can have more control over things. makes no sense, idk how someone can look at our school system for example and hope that this is done with ALL private industries lol do you think a socialist state will be run by the same people who currently run it? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:906999902] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote>always confuses me how internet socialists whine about how corrupt and inefficient our govt is and then hope that more shit gets nationalized so our govt can have more control over things. makes no sense, idk how someone can look at our school system for example and hope that this is done with ALL private industries lol</quote> do you think a socialist state will be run by the same people who currently run it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 08/16/18 4:01:40 PM #13:	The markets are regulated...theyre heavily regulated. --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:906999921] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote>The markets are regulated...theyre heavily regulated.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 08/16/18 4:01:50 PM #14:	Thats a great summary of how I feel and what Warren is standing for right now. The markets dont need to go away. We just need them to work for everyone. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:906999928] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote>Thats a great summary of how I feel and what Warren is standing for right now. The markets dont need to go away. We just need them to work for everyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 08/16/18 4:02:47 PM #15:	Kazi1212 posted... Oh so all these mega conglomerates became so without any government help whatsoever eh? Keep being delusional oh my this is a post --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:906999989] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote>Oh so all these mega conglomerates became so without any government help whatsoever eh? Keep being delusional </quote> oh my this is a post</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 08/16/18 4:02:58 PM #16:	averagejoel posted... Romulox28 posted... always confuses me how internet socialists whine about how corrupt and inefficient our govt is and then hope that more shit gets nationalized so our govt can have more control over things. makes no sense, idk how someone can look at our school system for example and hope that this is done with ALL private industries lol do you think a socialist state will be run by the same people who currently run it? So under a socialist regime we'll have an even more incompetent leadership . . . great. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:906999994] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote>always confuses me how internet socialists whine about how corrupt and inefficient our govt is and then hope that more shit gets nationalized so our govt can have more control over things. makes no sense, idk how someone can look at our school system for example and hope that this is done with ALL private industries lol</quote> do you think a socialist state will be run by the same people who currently run it?</quote> So under a socialist regime we'll have an even more incompetent leadership . . . great.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 08/16/18 4:03:11 PM #17:	It's called lobbying & cronyism. Once we put that down and have it clamped down, we can readjust the rules fairly. As long as there are paid for lobbyist contributing finances for legalized bribes to politicians re-election campaigns, there will always be that vicious cycles of big rich companies writing rules that screws things up. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:907000005] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote>It's called lobbying & cronyism. Once we put that down and have it clamped down, we can readjust the rules fairly. As long as there are paid for lobbyist contributing finances for legalized bribes to politicians re-election campaigns, there will always be that vicious cycles of big rich companies writing rules that screws things up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kolibri X 08/16/18 4:03:44 PM #18:	It's because we raised a generation of weaklings. --- Platinum GameFAQs Member https://imgur.com/VgwI8qO <cite>Kolibri X posted [p:907000040] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote>It's because we raised a generation of weaklings.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 08/16/18 4:04:16 PM #19:	Nomadic View posted... The markets are regulated...theyre heavily regulated. But they're regulated incorrectly by bought & paid for politicians who writes rules in favors of big corporations. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:907000076] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>The markets are regulated...theyre heavily regulated.</quote>But they're regulated incorrectly by bought & paid for politicians who writes rules in favors of big corporations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 08/16/18 4:04:36 PM #20:	Kolibri X posted... It's because we raised a generation of weaklings. That's just the tip of the iceberg in problems. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:907000100] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kolibri X posted...</cite> <quote>It's because we raised a generation of weaklings.</quote>That's just the tip of the iceberg in problems.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 08/16/18 4:04:46 PM #21:	Kolibri X posted... It's because we raised a generation of weaklings. Guys please give me attention --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:907000107] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kolibri X posted...</cite> <quote>It's because we raised a generation of weaklings.</quote> Guys please give me attention</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 08/16/18 4:05:36 PM #22:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... averagejoel posted... Romulox28 posted... always confuses me how internet socialists whine about how corrupt and inefficient our govt is and then hope that more shit gets nationalized so our govt can have more control over things. makes no sense, idk how someone can look at our school system for example and hope that this is done with ALL private industries lol do you think a socialist state will be run by the same people who currently run it? So under a socialist regime we'll have an even more incompetent leadership . . . great. not sure how you got that from what I said, but it Does Not Follow --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:907000154] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote>always confuses me how internet socialists whine about how corrupt and inefficient our govt is and then hope that more shit gets nationalized so our govt can have more control over things. makes no sense, idk how someone can look at our school system for example and hope that this is done with ALL private industries lol</quote> do you think a socialist state will be run by the same people who currently run it?</quote> So under a socialist regime we'll have an even more incompetent leadership . . . great.</quote> not sure how you got that from what I said, but it Does Not Follow</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romulox28 08/16/18 4:07:43 PM #23:	averagejoel posted... Romulox28 posted... always confuses me how internet socialists whine about how corrupt and inefficient our govt is and then hope that more shit gets nationalized so our govt can have more control over things. makes no sense, idk how someone can look at our school system for example and hope that this is done with ALL private industries lol do you think a socialist state will be run by the same people who currently run it? absolutely, unless there is a coup d'etat or w/e it'd have to be a transition to socialism, so your same favorite slimy DC politicians are at the helm. and when they die out they'll be replaced by the same types of people because that has been happening forever --- https://imgur.com/LhwwG <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:907000274] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote>always confuses me how internet socialists whine about how corrupt and inefficient our govt is and then hope that more shit gets nationalized so our govt can have more control over things. makes no sense, idk how someone can look at our school system for example and hope that this is done with ALL private industries lol</quote> do you think a socialist state will be run by the same people who currently run it?</quote> absolutely, unless there is a coup d'etat or w/e it'd have to be a transition to socialism, so your same favorite slimy DC politicians are at the helm. and when they die out they'll be replaced by the same types of people because that has been happening forever</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HiddenLurker 08/16/18 4:08:08 PM #24:	averagejoel posted... Romulox28 posted... always confuses me how internet socialists whine about how corrupt and inefficient our govt is and then hope that more shit gets nationalized so our govt can have more control over things. makes no sense, idk how someone can look at our school system for example and hope that this is done with ALL private industries lol do you think a socialist state will be run by the same people who currently run it? Of course not it would go to the best friends and family of el presidentate. --- [Insert tired meme here] <cite>HiddenLurker posted [p:907000297] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote>always confuses me how internet socialists whine about how corrupt and inefficient our govt is and then hope that more shit gets nationalized so our govt can have more control over things. makes no sense, idk how someone can look at our school system for example and hope that this is done with ALL private industries lol</quote> do you think a socialist state will be run by the same people who currently run it?</quote> Of course not it would go to the best friends and family of el presidentate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rimmer_Dall 08/16/18 4:08:54 PM #25:	socialism is hot right now because folks want safety nets and unrigged markets And apparently hate private property. --- "The cheese it yours turtles." ~ William Shakespeare <cite>Rimmer_Dall posted [p:907000346] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><quote>socialism is hot right now because folks want safety nets and unrigged markets</quote> And apparently hate private property.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
myzz7 08/16/18 4:08:54 PM #26:	Wait..... does TC actually think socialism guarantees UNRIGGED markets? ... .... ..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0" data-time=" --- http://s10.postimage.org/mxioonsd1/gildavatar.gif http://gifgifs.com/res/0916/57ebaeea6c7a9047727112.gif <cite>myzz7 posted [p:907000347] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote>Wait..... does TC actually think socialism guarantees UNRIGGED markets? ... .... ..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 08/16/18 4:10:56 PM #27:	averagejoel posted... not sure how you got that from what I said, but it Does Not Follow The kind of idiots that want to end capitalism are the kinds that drive the dollar into hyper inflation. It was a joke mocking the competency of socialist leadership. More socialism might be a better system, but proponents of socialism aren't fit to govern lol. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:907000466] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>not sure how you got that from what I said, but it Does Not Follow</quote> The kind of idiots that want to end capitalism are the kinds that drive the dollar into hyper inflation. It was a joke mocking the competency of socialist leadership. More socialism might be a better system, but proponents of socialism aren't fit to govern lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 08/16/18 4:12:55 PM #28:	--- "Don't trade your authenticity for approval." -Kanye West <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:907000572] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/16/18 4:14:11 PM #29:	Nomadic View posted... The markets are regulated...theyre heavily regulated. Exactly my point. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:907000658] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>The markets are regulated...theyre heavily regulated.</quote> Exactly my point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 08/16/18 4:15:13 PM #30:	darkjedilink posted... Nomadic View posted... The markets are regulated...theyre heavily regulated. Exactly my point. But they're regulated in ways that are "Bought & Paid" for by the best lobbying money can buy to influence politicians to setup rigged rules & regulations. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:907000714] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>The markets are regulated...theyre heavily regulated.</quote> Exactly my point.</quote>But they're regulated in ways that are "Bought & Paid" for by the best lobbying money can buy to influence politicians to setup rigged rules & regulations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/16/18 4:18:28 PM #32:	KamenRiderBlade posted... Nomadic View posted... The markets are regulated...theyre heavily regulated. But they're regulated incorrectly by bought & paid for politicians who writes rules in favors of big corporations. Politicians like Barney Frank? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:907000907] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>The markets are regulated...theyre heavily regulated.</quote>But they're regulated incorrectly by bought & paid for politicians who writes rules in favors of big corporations.</quote> Politicians like Barney Frank?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SK8T3R215 08/16/18 4:18:38 PM #33:	Funbazooka posted... lmfao also lmfao Vox --- New York Knicks, New York Jets, New York Yankees. <cite>SK8T3R215 posted [p:907000918] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote></quote> lmfao also lmfao Vox</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 08/16/18 4:19:06 PM #34:	myzz7 posted... Wait..... does TC actually think socialism guarantees UNRIGGED markets? ... .... ..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0" data-time=" are you capable of reading an article? --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:907000948] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>myzz7 posted...</cite> <quote>Wait..... does TC actually think socialism guarantees UNRIGGED markets? ... .... ..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0" data-time="</quote> are you capable of reading an article?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 08/16/18 4:19:40 PM #35:	darkjedilink posted... Politicians like Barney Frank? You don't have to look very deeply for rules & regulations that get put into place thanks to political bribery known as campaign contributions. Just look at the big Telecom industry that controls are ISP's. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:907000986] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Politicians like Barney Frank?</quote>You don't have to look very deeply for rules & regulations that get put into place thanks to political bribery known as campaign contributions. Just look at the big Telecom industry that controls are ISP's.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 08/16/18 4:20:22 PM #36:	darkjedilink posted... Nomadic View posted... The markets are regulated...theyre heavily regulated. Exactly my point. the point of the article is literally that markets are less regulated in the nordic countries that many self-described democratic socialists tout as examples of where we should be politically --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:907001018] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>The markets are regulated...theyre heavily regulated.</quote> Exactly my point.</quote> the point of the article is literally that markets are less regulated in the nordic countries that many self-described democratic socialists tout as examples of where we should be politically</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 08/16/18 4:20:39 PM #37:	KamenRiderBlade posted... darkjedilink posted... Nomadic View posted... The markets are regulated...theyre heavily regulated. Exactly my point. But they're regulated in ways that are "Bought & Paid" for by the best lobbying money can buy to influence politicians to setup rigged rules & regulations. What should we focus on then, outlawing lobbying or getting rid of corrupt politicians. It seems difficult to outlaw lobbying if we cant get rid of politicians who favors lobbying first --- I don't know my gimmick "Does that sound reasonable to you?" <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:907001029] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>The markets are regulated...theyre heavily regulated.</quote> Exactly my point.</quote>But they're regulated in ways that are "Bought & Paid" for by the best lobbying money can buy to influence politicians to setup rigged rules & regulations.</quote> What should we focus on then, outlawing lobbying or getting rid of corrupt politicians. It seems difficult to outlaw lobbying if we cant get rid of politicians who favors lobbying first</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 08/16/18 4:21:10 PM #38:	Romulox28 posted... averagejoel posted... Romulox28 posted... always confuses me how internet socialists whine about how corrupt and inefficient our govt is and then hope that more shit gets nationalized so our govt can have more control over things. makes no sense, idk how someone can look at our school system for example and hope that this is done with ALL private industries lol do you think a socialist state will be run by the same people who currently run it? absolutely, unless there is a coup d'etat or w/e it'd have to be a transition to socialism, so your same favorite slimy DC politicians are at the helm. and when they die out they'll be replaced by the same types of people because that has been happening forever buddy, I have some news for you about how countries become socialist --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:907001052] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote>always confuses me how internet socialists whine about how corrupt and inefficient our govt is and then hope that more shit gets nationalized so our govt can have more control over things. makes no sense, idk how someone can look at our school system for example and hope that this is done with ALL private industries lol</quote> do you think a socialist state will be run by the same people who currently run it?</quote> absolutely, unless there is a coup d'etat or w/e it'd have to be a transition to socialism, so your same favorite slimy DC politicians are at the helm. and when they die out they'll be replaced by the same types of people because that has been happening forever</quote> buddy, I have some news for you about how countries become socialist</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 08/16/18 4:22:06 PM #39:	Balrog0 posted... darkjedilink posted... Nomadic View posted... The markets are regulated...theyre heavily regulated. Exactly my point. the point of the article is literally that markets are less regulated in the nordic countries that many self-described democratic socialists tout as examples of where we should be politically To be fair, socialism and less regulation of markets is generally intuitively understood to be contradictory --- I don't know my gimmick "Does that sound reasonable to you?" <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:907001119] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>The markets are regulated...theyre heavily regulated.</quote> Exactly my point.</quote> the point of the article is literally that markets are less regulated in the nordic countries that many self-described democratic socialists tout as examples of where we should be politically</quote> To be fair, socialism and less regulation of markets is generally intuitively understood to be contradictory</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 08/16/18 4:22:35 PM #40:	Kazi1212 posted... What should we focus on then, outlawing lobbying or getting rid of corrupt politicians. It seems difficult to outlaw lobbying if we cant get rid of politicians who favors lobbying first That's a Chicken & Egg problem; they're both circular loops feeding each other. We would literally need a Constitutional Convention + Non-Consecutive terms for all political elected positions to even start a crack in the system to break it. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:907001153] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote>What should we focus on then, outlawing lobbying or getting rid of corrupt politicians. It seems difficult to outlaw lobbying if we cant get rid of politicians who favors lobbying first</quote>That's a Chicken & Egg problem; they're both circular loops feeding each other. We would literally need a Constitutional Convention + Non-Consecutive terms for all political elected positions to even start a crack in the system to break it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
myzz7 08/16/18 4:25:13 PM #41:	Balrog0 posted... are you capable of reading an article? the article is shit because it thinks capitalism is a synonym for anarchy. --- http://s10.postimage.org/mxioonsd1/gildavatar.gif http://gifgifs.com/res/0916/57ebaeea6c7a9047727112.gif <cite>myzz7 posted [p:907001320] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>are you capable of reading an article? </quote> the article is shit because it thinks capitalism is a synonym for anarchy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 08/16/18 4:26:41 PM #42:	myzz7 posted... Balrog0 posted... are you capable of reading an article? the article is shit because it thinks capitalism is a synonym for anarchy. 'go go capitalism is how you pay for a welfare state' I can see you can read --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:907001410] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>myzz7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>are you capable of reading an article? </quote> the article is shit because it thinks capitalism is a synonym for anarchy.</quote> 'go go capitalism is how you pay for a welfare state' I can see you can read</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 08/16/18 4:30:47 PM #43:	Most millennial socialists dont want a redistribution of wealth, but a redistribution of power away from the wealthy. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:907001673] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote>Most millennial socialists dont want a redistribution of wealth, but a redistribution of power away from the wealthy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/16/18 4:33:36 PM #44:	averagejoel posted... Romulox28 posted... averagejoel posted... Romulox28 posted... always confuses me how internet socialists whine about how corrupt and inefficient our govt is and then hope that more shit gets nationalized so our govt can have more control over things. makes no sense, idk how someone can look at our school system for example and hope that this is done with ALL private industries lol do you think a socialist state will be run by the same people who currently run it? absolutely, unless there is a coup d'etat or w/e it'd have to be a transition to socialism, so your same favorite slimy DC politicians are at the helm. and when they die out they'll be replaced by the same types of people because that has been happening forever buddy, I have some news for you about how countries become socialist Yeah, you can. What step is the child murder at? 4? 3? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:907001812] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote>always confuses me how internet socialists whine about how corrupt and inefficient our govt is and then hope that more shit gets nationalized so our govt can have more control over things. makes no sense, idk how someone can look at our school system for example and hope that this is done with ALL private industries lol</quote> do you think a socialist state will be run by the same people who currently run it?</quote> absolutely, unless there is a coup d'etat or w/e it'd have to be a transition to socialism, so your same favorite slimy DC politicians are at the helm. and when they die out they'll be replaced by the same types of people because that has been happening forever</quote> buddy, I have some news for you about how countries become socialist</quote> Yeah, you can. What step is the child murder at? 4? 3?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/16/18 4:34:36 PM #45:	Balrog0 posted... darkjedilink posted... Nomadic View posted... The markets are regulated...theyre heavily regulated. Exactly my point. the point of the article is literally that markets are less regulated in the nordic countries that many self-described democratic socialists tout as examples of where we should be politically Those Nordic countries are not the shining examples of liberalism the left wants to pretend they are. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:907001880] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>The markets are regulated...theyre heavily regulated.</quote> Exactly my point.</quote> the point of the article is literally that markets are less regulated in the nordic countries that many self-described democratic socialists tout as examples of where we should be politically</quote> Those Nordic countries are not the shining examples of liberalism the left wants to pretend they are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 08/16/18 4:36:59 PM #46:	wow, that writer really loves to conflate "capitalist with some social welfare programs" with "socialist" --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:907002017] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote>wow, that writer really loves to conflate "capitalist with some social welfare programs" with "socialist"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 08/16/18 4:39:46 PM #47:	Funbazooka posted... haha <cite>Romes187 posted [p:907002160] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote></quote> haha</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 08/16/18 4:41:55 PM #48:	If by safety nets you mean be lazy and have everything handed to them on a silver platter, sure. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 5 (3) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:907002275] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote>If by safety nets you mean be lazy and have everything handed to them on a silver platter, sure.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rimmer_Dall 08/16/18 4:42:57 PM #49:	averagejoel posted... wow, that writer really loves to conflate "capitalist with some social welfare programs" with "socialist" People love to pretend that social democracy is the same as democratic socialism. It is not. As someone who lives in a social democracy (Sweden), allow me to educate you on the difference between the two. Democratic Socialism: Socialism Social Democracy: Capitalism --- "The cheese it yours turtles." ~ William Shakespeare <cite>Rimmer_Dall posted [p:907002336] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>wow, that writer really loves to conflate "capitalist with some social welfare programs" with "socialist"</quote> People love to pretend that social democracy is the same as democratic socialism. It is not. As someone who lives in a social democracy (Sweden), allow me to educate you on the difference between the two. Democratic Socialism: Socialism Social Democracy: Capitalism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 08/16/18 4:47:17 PM #50:	Rimmer_Dall posted... Social Democracy: Capitalism Of course, most of the people who vocally champion capitalism in America find social democracy and the sorts of things you see in Europe to be intolerable. See the right wing reaction to Warren's codetermination push: https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/08/elizabeth-warren-plan-nationalize-everything-woos-hard-left/ Stuff that's just a basic fact of Germany's capitalist economy is here made out to be Stalinism. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:907002591] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rimmer_Dall posted...</cite> <quote>Social Democracy: Capitalism</quote> Of course, most of the people who vocally champion capitalism in America find social democracy and the sorts of things you see in Europe to be intolerable. See the right wing reaction to Warren's codetermination push: https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/08/elizabeth-warren-plan-nationalize-everything-woos-hard-left/ Stuff that's just a basic fact of Germany's capitalist economy is here made out to be Stalinism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/16/18 4:48:34 PM #51:	To the surprise of nobody, I'm posting that Margaret Thatcher clip here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c8Gkm8VSLE" data-time=" <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:907002668] in socialism ... [t:76908860]...</cite> <quote>To the surprise of nobody, I'm posting that Margaret Thatcher clip here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c8Gkm8VSLE" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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