Current Events > So what do we think about the accusations of abuse by Keith Ellison?

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https://www.vox.com/2018/8/13/17684222/keith-ellison-karen-monahan-minnesota-attorney-general-race
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/08/12/abuse-allegation-made-against-keith-ellison-denies-attorney-general-election

The thing that makes it seem more credible to me is actually that someone other than the abused decided to talk about it first.

The thing that I'm more hesitant about is this:

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/08/13/monahan-says-will-not-release-video-keith-ellison-incident

She said she's also frustrated that people won't believe that she was assaulted unless she produces the video.

"It sets the expectation for survivors of all kinds of forms of abuse, whether it be abuse toward women, abuse from police officers, abuse from other people in power, to have to be the ones, like I'm doing right now, to show and prove their stories," she said. "It's feeding into that."

Well, yeah... People want to be sure about it? Is that bad? Am I supposed to think that's bad? Im not saying she needs to release the tape to be taken seriously (certainly not for public consumption!) but that line of reasoning is really just kind of peculiar to me. Even in the wake of the Me Too movement.
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also, it is kind of odd to be selectively releasing texts and other documents that support your story if the reason you don't want to share the most vital piece of evidence is that it is embarrassing and it isn't on you to prove your case...
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Balrog0 posted...

Well, yeah... People want to be sure about it? Is that bad? Am I supposed to think that's bad? Im not saying she needs to release the tape to be taken seriously (certainly not for public consumption!) but that line of reasoning is really just kind of peculiar to me. Even in the wake of the Me Too movement.

Yeah...I've got to agreement I understand what she is saying but if you have irrefutable proof rather than just saying it happened wouldn't you want the irrefutable truth entered in this???
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It's rather sketchy that she claims to have evidence yet is unwilling to release it to the authorities

BWLurker posted...

It's rather sketchy that she claims to have evidence yet is unwilling to release it to the authorities

This. However, it's also scetchy that he's lied repeatedly about the nature of his relationship with her pist break-up.

He explicitly stated he didn't know anything about the suppised video, and now he admits he's known for months.

Sketchier, too, is the DNC saying absolutely fuck-all about it.
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Yeah I mean it doesn't look good for him at all, especially since he's had very similar accusations before...
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Probably true, but too close to an election to just take at face value.
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Who
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It's not great!
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darkjedilink posted...

Sketchier, too, is the DNC saying absolutely fuck-all about it.

What could they say that would make you happy?

Anyway I'm a bit suspect about this whole thing tbh but I'd change my tune if the gal stopped acting so dodgy about it.
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Doom_Art posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Sketchier, too, is the DNC saying absolutely fuck-all about it.

What could they say that would make you happy?

Anyway I'm a bit suspect about this whole thing tbh but I'd change my tune if the gal stopped acting so dodgy about it.

Maybe condemn him, since lefties have repeatedly stated that when a woman makes an accusation, that's all that matters.
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If he was working in Hollywood he would have been fired or forced to resign by now.
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It's a hell of a bad look, is what it is. Both he and the woman don't seem to be telling the whole story, but both may have good reasons for not doing so. I would prefer if he would step aside until this is cleared up.

darkjedilink posted...

Doom_Art posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Sketchier, too, is the DNC saying absolutely fuck-all about it.

What could they say that would make you happy?

Anyway I'm a bit suspect about this whole thing tbh but I'd change my tune if the gal stopped acting so dodgy about it.

Maybe condemn him, since lefties have repeatedly stated that when a woman makes an accusation, that's all that matters.

Nope. And besides, if you disagree with that method, why are you trying to "whataboutism" it? Could it possibly be because all you give a shit about is partisan mudslinging and causing division?
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Doom_Art posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Sketchier, too, is the DNC saying absolutely fuck-all about it.

What could they say that would make you happy?

Anyway I'm a bit suspect about this whole thing tbh but I'd change my tune if the gal stopped acting so dodgy about it.

Maybe condemn him, since lefties have repeatedly stated that when a woman makes an accusation, that's all that matters.

Nope. And besides, if you disagree with that method, why are you trying to "whataboutism" it? Could it possibly be because all you give a shit about is partisan mudslinging and causing division?

Just want you to play by your own rules.
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It sets the expectation for survivors of all kinds of forms of abuse, whether it be abuse toward women, abuse from police officers, abuse from other people in power, to have to be the ones, like Im doing right now, to show and prove their stories. Its feeding into that.

Yes, when proof exists and your story rests on the existence of it, you should show it.

If your story is "this thing happened", that's one thing--but when your story is "this thing happened and I can prove it" the associated damage to the person in question is (and should be) greater, but there's burden of proof on you to back that claim up.

If she shows the video and it is what she says it is, he'd best exit politics.

Balrog0 posted...

but that line of reasoning is really just kind of peculiar to me. Even in the wake of the Me Too movement

It makes me extra suspicious, as though she were trying to use the movement as cover.

But I'm 100% willing to condemn the guy if she posts the video she claims she has.
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Darkman124 posted...

It sets the expectation for survivors of all kinds of forms of abuse, whether it be abuse toward women, abuse from police officers, abuse from other people in power, to have to be the ones, like Im doing right now, to show and prove their stories. Its feeding into that.

Yes, when proof exists and your story rests on the existence of it, you should show it.

If your story is "this thing happened", that's one thing--but when your story is "this thing happened and I can prove it" the associated damage to the person in question is (and should be) greater, but there's burden of proof on you to back that claim up.

If she shows the video and it is what she says it is, he'd best exit politics.

Balrog0 posted...

but that line of reasoning is really just kind of peculiar to me. Even in the wake of the Me Too movement

It makes me extra suspicious, as though she were trying to use the movement as cover.

But I'm 100% willing to condemn the guy if she posts the video she claims she has.

Agreed. Which makes it all the worse to me that Ellison lied about it in the first place. He had no reason to lie - if it didn't happen, he should have gotten in front and painted her as a golddigger.
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