Current Events > Liberals: 'They're a private business it's OK if they violate freedom of speech'

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This thinking is wrong on so many levels

- It's hypocritical. Liberals tend to think ISPs should be obligated to follow Net Neutrality is based on the principle of freedom of speech. Also the only reason they are OK with say Alex Jones discussion being banned is that they disagree with/don't like Alex Jones.

- Banning discussion of certain topics is not the same thing as moderating posts that you already said weren't allowed in your ToS

- Websites like Facebook, Twitter , Youtube, and Instagram have become social media monopolies. Because of this they should have fewer rights as "private businesses", and I think in any other situation liberals would agree with this (Citizens United for example)
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Did all liberals really say that

Damn_Underscore posted...

- It's hypocritical.

Irony
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Pretty sure the constitution still applies to private businesses
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Muffinz0rz posted...

Pretty sure the constitution still applies to private businesses

How do you figure?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

I don't see anything limiting what private enterprise can do.
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Looks like someone doesn't understand how the First Amendment works.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"
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TC your gimmick is getting stale....
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ScazarMeltex posted...

Looks like someone doesn't understand how the First Amendment works.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"

You know the First Amendment is not the same thing as or the definition of freedom of speech.
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critical misunderstanding of what first amendment freedom of speech is
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GameFAQs has a ToS and so does Twitter.
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mcpwnia posted...

critical misunderstanding of what first amendment freedom of speech is

Yup, as is expected from conservatives
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Protip:Liberals don't actually care about the rights of businesses. They just like seeing someone they don't like/don't agree with get silenced and "a businesses rights" are a convenient defense of that.
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What people think freedom of speech is:
I can say whatever I want and nobody can punish me for it!

What freedom of speech really is:
You can say whatever you want, within the boundaries of the law, and the government can't silence or punish you.

People need to get educated.
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YourDrunkFather posted...

Protip:Liberals don't actually care about the rights of businesses. They just like seeing someone they don't like/don't agree with get silenced and "a businesses rights" are a convenient defense of that.

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No. We dont agree with Glenn Beck or Fox news most of the time.

Alex Jones is simply a dangerous individual to our society. Pinning people against each other with BS claims (democrat attack on july 4, Pizzagate, crisis actors..etc) just so he can make himself rich selling bs vitamins.

Thats all there really is to it.
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EffectAndCause posted...

GameFAQs has a ToS and so does Twitter.

Does Twitter's ToS ban political discussion? No? Ok.
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Meaningfully expanding free speech to the private sphere would mean challenging capital in ways liberals are uncomfortable doing.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

EffectAndCause posted...

GameFAQs has a ToS and so does Twitter.

Does Twitter's ToS ban political discussion? No? Ok.

They aren't dishing out bans for political discussion in the abstract!
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meestermj posted...

What freedom of speech is:
I can say whatever I want and nobody can punish me for it!

What the First Amendment to the US Constitution is:
You can say whatever you want, within the boundaries of the law, and the government can't silence or punish you.

People need to get educated.

Fixed that for you. Seems that you need to get educated.
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it was hilarious seeing leftist cemen froth at the mouth over ajit pai and net neutrality

and then a few months later celebrate when google and facebook and other major platforms completely succumbed to censorship

silentwing26x posted...

it was hilarious seeing leftist cemen froth at the mouth over ajit pai and net neutrality

and then a few months later celebrate when google and facebook and other major platforms completely succumbed to censorship

those two things.....aren't related at all....
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VipaGTS posted...

TC your gimmick is getting stale....

I dunno, I'm kinda enjoying it
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VipaGTS posted...

silentwing26x posted...

it was hilarious seeing leftist cemen froth at the mouth over ajit pai and net neutrality

and then a few months later celebrate when google and facebook and other major platforms completely succumbed to censorship

those two things.....aren't related at all....

lmao that's some olympics level stretching youve got going

Authentic_fan posted...

Did all liberals really say that

Yes we are a hive mind with no independent thought.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

meestermj posted...

What freedom of speech is:
I can say whatever I want and nobody can punish me for it!

What the First Amendment to the US Constitution is:
You can say whatever you want, within the boundaries of the law, and the government can't silence or punish you.

People need to get educated.

Fixed that for you. Seems that you need to get educated.

Shut the fuck up. You literally changed nothing meaningful.
"Freedom of Speech" is a colloquial term for the first amendment.
Stop being pedantic.
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silentwing26x posted...

VipaGTS posted...

silentwing26x posted...

it was hilarious seeing leftist cemen froth at the mouth over ajit pai and net neutrality

and then a few months later celebrate when google and facebook and other major platforms completely succumbed to censorship

those two things.....aren't related at all....

lmao that's some olympics level stretching youve got going

no its literally a fact. those two comparisons you're trying to make aren't the same at all...
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Does the NFL also have a ToS?
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VipaGTS posted...

silentwing26x posted...

VipaGTS posted...

silentwing26x posted...

it was hilarious seeing leftist cemen froth at the mouth over ajit pai and net neutrality

and then a few months later celebrate when google and facebook and other major platforms completely succumbed to censorship

those two things.....aren't related at all....

lmao that's some olympics level stretching youve got going

no its literally a fact. those two comparisons you're trying to make aren't the same at all...

they are the same thing, leftists are okay with private corporations censoring content or hiding content when it is the content they disagree with

silentwing26x posted...

VipaGTS posted...

silentwing26x posted...

VipaGTS posted...

silentwing26x posted...

it was hilarious seeing leftist cemen froth at the mouth over ajit pai and net neutrality

and then a few months later celebrate when google and facebook and other major platforms completely succumbed to censorship

those two things.....aren't related at all....

lmao that's some olympics level stretching youve got going

no its literally a fact. those two comparisons you're trying to make aren't the same at all...

they are the same thing, leftists are okay with private corporations censoring content or hiding content when it is the content they disagree with

Fucking REKt
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silentwing26x posted...

VipaGTS posted...

silentwing26x posted...

VipaGTS posted...

silentwing26x posted...

it was hilarious seeing leftist cemen froth at the mouth over ajit pai and net neutrality

and then a few months later celebrate when google and facebook and other major platforms completely succumbed to censorship

those two things.....aren't related at all....

lmao that's some olympics level stretching youve got going

no its literally a fact. those two comparisons you're trying to make aren't the same at all...

they are the same thing, leftists are okay with private corporations censoring content or hiding content when it is the content they disagree with

they're not the same but feel free to keep yourself in ignorance on that fact.
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Whaaa The Topic
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meestermj posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

meestermj posted...

What freedom of speech is:
I can say whatever I want and nobody can punish me for it!

What the First Amendment to the US Constitution is:
You can say whatever you want, within the boundaries of the law, and the government can't silence or punish you.

People need to get educated.

Fixed that for you. Seems that you need to get educated.

Shut the fuck up. You literally changed nothing meaningful.
"Freedom of Speech" is a colloquial term for the first amendment.

Um... that is completely false. I'll just leave you with the 9th Amendment:

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
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H3h3 had a livestream cut off mid stream yesterday and got account flagged for TALKING about Alex Jones. This shit is getting way out of hand.
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meestermj posted...

What people think freedom of speech is:
I can say whatever I want and nobody can punish me for it!

What freedom of speech really is:
You can say whatever you want, within the boundaries of the law, and the government can't silence or punish you.

People need to get educated.

Yup
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Damn_Underscore posted...

meestermj posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

meestermj posted...

What freedom of speech is:
I can say whatever I want and nobody can punish me for it!

What the First Amendment to the US Constitution is:
You can say whatever you want, within the boundaries of the law, and the government can't silence or punish you.

People need to get educated.

Fixed that for you. Seems that you need to get educated.

Shut the fuck up. You literally changed nothing meaningful.
"Freedom of Speech" is a colloquial term for the first amendment.

Um... that is completely false. I'll just leave you with the 9th Amendment:

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

All rights within the constitution and its amendments do not exonerate you from consequences by your peers.

The government can not silence your lawful expression or punish you for it.
Your peers (eg non government agencies, and individuals) can still say "hey you're an asshole, shut up and go away."
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Would you be in favor of ending at-will employment, TC?
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joestarrr posted...

meestermj posted...

What people think freedom of speech is:
I can say whatever I want and nobody can punish me for it!

What freedom of speech really is:
You can say whatever you want, within the boundaries of the law, and the government can't silence or punish you.

People need to get educated.

Yup

It's amazing how hard this concept is for some people.
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Alright, TC

So which side of the OP do you agree with? Surely you aren't just being a hypocrite while complaining about hypocrites? That type of dishonesty does not exist on the Internet.
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i've mostly been arguing from the angle that these businesses enjoy near-monopolies over their sectors through artificial means which amplifies the case that it's an indirect form of state-enabled censorship but i think there's a little more to it than that

i recall the point being raised once that these sites/companies have contracts that define the terms of service, and the arbitrary nature by which certain people have been banned is a breach of contract and therefore has legal implications
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So bakers can decide who they service but YouTube can't right?
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Antifar posted...

Would you be in favor of ending at-will employment, TC?

Yes, even if it's only for public corporations or ones of a certain size.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

So bakers can decide who they service but YouTube can't right?

if the market was cornered by like a half-dozen bakeries because they enjoy a spider web of baking regulations and tax breaks that keep competition out of the arena, yes, there would be a problem there

with that said, there's a difference between denying service and not offering a particular kind of product
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social media companies should not be allowed to block alex jones from their platforms but if AT&T wants to throttle traffic to his websites unless he pays them millions of dollars that would be a-ok with me, infowars users can just switch to a different ISP
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meestermj posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

meestermj posted...

What freedom of speech is:
I can say whatever I want and nobody can punish me for it!

What the First Amendment to the US Constitution is:
You can say whatever you want, within the boundaries of the law, and the government can't silence or punish you.

People need to get educated.

Fixed that for you. Seems that you need to get educated.

Shut the fuck up. You literally changed nothing meaningful.
"Freedom of Speech" is a colloquial term for the first amendment.
Stop being pedantic.

I think what he means is that "freedom of speech" and "first amendment" are two separate entities, and since only the latter is part of the constution, the formal is not protected by the constitution, thus implying that "freedom of speech" is just an abstract concept with no constitutionally legal precedent or protection, and therefore claims of freedom of speech "violations" are actually just nothing, because freedom of speech isn't a valid claim legally and therefore cannot even be violated because according to the constitution, it's not a thing, so anyone saying "I have freedom of speech so I can say what I want and you can't punish me!" is just spouting fake news like Homer Simpson closing his eyes and running a red light because "if I don't see it, it's not illegal!" This would mean tc has cleverly disguised this parody topic as legit. I for one am impressed.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

EffectAndCause posted...

GameFAQs has a ToS and so does Twitter.

Does Twitter's ToS ban political discussion? No? Ok.

Their tos gives them the right to remove whatever they want whenever they want
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Smashingpmkns posted...

So bakers can decide who they service but YouTube can't right?

You completely ignored the first post of this topic.

Anyway, to a certain degree I see that a business is an extension of a person. But even a local chain of grocery stores has much less of a right to decide who they sell to than a sole proprietorship bakery. For one thing, a local bakery could easily be boycotted against and have to treat all customers fairly if they want to stay in business. Twitter, Facebook, Google? Not so much.
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Muffinz0rz posted...

Pretty sure the constitution still applies to private businesses

In what way are you referring?

Private businesses have no obligation whatsoever to offer or provide a platform, be it Facebook or the NFL.
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JuanCarlos1 posted...

Alex Jones is simply a dangerous individual to our society. Pinning people against each other with BS claims (democrat attack on july 4, Pizzagate, crisis actors..etc) just so he can make himself rich selling bs vitamins.

this. people have died due to his rhetoric. how the right is okay with this is fucking beyond me.
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YourDrunkFather posted...

Protip:Liberals don't actually care about the rights of businesses. They just like seeing someone they don't like/don't agree with get silenced and "a businesses rights" are a convenient defense of that.

This is true. For those who don't believe it, how much overlap is there between Alex Jones haters loving his ban, and people complaining that the NFL punishing anthem kneelers is a violation of free speech?
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